Re: LF-D311 support?

2004-03-20 Thread Rob Bogus
Colette Dryden wrote:
We are looking for a repair place that fixes these dvd ram drives?  
Also for the older style LF-D211V.

Is there a place that does repair on panasonic dvd drives?
You may want to investigate the cost of repair vs. the cost of a new 
unit. If there is a new unit which you can use, the TCO over a few years 
may be sugnificantly lower. That's why repair places are so hard to find 
and vendors usually exchange rather than repair waranty failures.

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2004-03-20 Thread Rob Bogus
Colette Dryden wrote:

We are looking for a repair place that fixes these dvd ram drives?  
Also for the older style LF-D211V.

Is there a place that does repair on panasonic dvd drives?

You may want to investigate the cost of repair vs. the cost of a new 
unit. If there is a new unit which you can use, the TCO over a few years 
may be sugnificantly lower. That's why repair places are so hard to find 
and vendors usually exchange rather than repair waranty failures.

--
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 It seemed like a good idea at the time
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Re: Re: LF-D311 support?

2004-03-19 Thread Colette Dryden
Title: Re: Re: LF-D311 support?







We are looking for a repair place that fixes these dvd ram drives?  Also for the older style LF-D211V.


Is there a place that does repair on panasonic dvd drives?


Colette Dryden

Voice Products, Inc.

Assistant Operations Manager

(316) 616- ext. 116 





Re: Re: LF-D311 support?

2004-03-19 Thread Colette Dryden
Title: Re: Re: LF-D311 support?







We are looking for a repair place that fixes these dvd ram drives?  Also for the older style LF-D211V.


Is there a place that does repair on panasonic dvd drives?


Colette Dryden

Voice Products, Inc.

Assistant Operations Manager

(316) 616- ext. 116 





Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 22:28, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Dec 10 22:05:42 2003
>
> >> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of
> >> cdrecord by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he
> >> should ask the authors.
> >
> >Well, incidentally, k3b doesn't use cdrecord at all for DVD
> > burning, it uses dvd+rw-tools.
>
> How should I know?

I don't see why you should. I didn't either, I looked it up on their 
page. Perhaps the question should be why you assumed that they used 
cdrecord-ProDVD.

> >> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did
> >> try to get into contact with me and I know from many contacts
> >> with Thomas Neiderreither that it is not simple to design a
> >> gui the right way. So I stand with my first mail: If the OP
> >> tells me what he does at cdrecord level, I may be able to
> >> help.
> >
> >I'm not sure what you mean by that, the k3b authors should ask
> > you how to design a GUI? I find k3b quite intuitive and easy to
> > use actually.
>
> Well, they e.g. use cdrdao which leads to the assumption that
> they don't know how to _use_ cdrecord.

Hmm, that makes sense actually. Like I use Linux because I don't 
understand how to use Windows, or my mum drives a Nissan because 
she doesn't understand how to use an Opel. Also, I don't see how 
being able to design a good GUI and knowing how to use cdrecord are 
related.

The point of having a GUI is to hide as much technical complexity 
from the user as possible, and  provide them with an interface that 
matches their understanding of the task they want to perform. How 
the underlying technology works is only relevant insofar as it has 
an impact on the actions the user can perform. For example, when 
burning an iso9660 CD-R you need to burn a whole session at a time, 
you can't just go around adding and deleting files at random like 
on a random access medium. The interface needs to reflect this, it 
can't allow random writing and deleting and overwriting to the 
medium, because that is technically impossible.

Designing user interfaces requires knowledge of the limits of the 
technology, cognitive psychology, and user interface standards, and 
a good lot of careful testing in a usability lab. Designing a 
mental model that fits the technology and is easy to understand, 
and designing a user interface that suggests that mental model to 
the user and correctly supports its use is hard indeed.

Comparing xcdroast and k3b, it's clear that xcdroast is a thin shell 
that allows you to use cdrecord and mkisofs without touching the 
keyboard, while k3b is a cd creation program that uses cdrecord and 
mkisofs to implement a part of the required functionality.

> >The problem with your reply was that he was asking for support
> > for his drive with k3b. The only thing he said about
> > cdrecord-ProDVD was that it worked fine. After which you asked
> > him what was wrong specifically. Well, nothing...
>
> You should reread the OP.
>
> Thei is not true: He did send s cdrecord -prcap output from the
> Non DVD enabled version and asked _if_ (not how) it works. This
> is why I did send my reply with the question.

Quote the original post:

===
Subject: LF-D311 support?

Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)  
DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it 
under k3b.
===

Now this could have been a bit more verbose and it could have been 
an actual English sentence, but I don't see how you can interpret 
this to mean "Does the LF-D311 work with cdrecord-ProDVD?", since 
he explicitly mentions the answer to that question, that is, it 
works.

The alternative interpretation, that he wants to know if the drive 
is supported for use with k3b, makes a lot more sense. He mentions 
that it works with cdrecord-ProDVD, and he includes some 
information about the drive in the form of -prcap output so that 
Andy knows what kind of drive it is.

Lourens
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Dec 10 22:05:42 2003

>> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
>> by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
>> the authors.

>Well, incidentally, k3b doesn't use cdrecord at all for DVD burning, 
>it uses dvd+rw-tools.

How should I know?

>> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try
>> to get into contact with me and I know from many contacts with
>> Thomas Neiderreither that it is not simple to design a gui the
>> right way. So I stand with my first mail: If the OP tells me what
>> he does at cdrecord level, I may be able to help.

>I'm not sure what you mean by that, the k3b authors should ask you 
>how to design a GUI? I find k3b quite intuitive and easy to use 
>actually. 

Well, they e.g. use cdrdao which leads to the assumption that
they don't know how to _use_ cdrecord.


>The problem with your reply was that he was asking for support for 
>his drive with k3b. The only thing he said about cdrecord-ProDVD 
>was that it worked fine. After which you asked him what was wrong 
>specifically. Well, nothing...

You should reread the OP.

Thei is not true: He did send s cdrecord -prcap output from the
Non DVD enabled version and asked _if_ (not how) it works. This is why I 
did send my reply with the question.

Jörg

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 22:28, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Dec 10 22:05:42 2003
>
> >> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of
> >> cdrecord by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he
> >> should ask the authors.
> >
> >Well, incidentally, k3b doesn't use cdrecord at all for DVD
> > burning, it uses dvd+rw-tools.
>
> How should I know?

I don't see why you should. I didn't either, I looked it up on their 
page. Perhaps the question should be why you assumed that they used 
cdrecord-ProDVD.

> >> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did
> >> try to get into contact with me and I know from many contacts
> >> with Thomas Neiderreither that it is not simple to design a
> >> gui the right way. So I stand with my first mail: If the OP
> >> tells me what he does at cdrecord level, I may be able to
> >> help.
> >
> >I'm not sure what you mean by that, the k3b authors should ask
> > you how to design a GUI? I find k3b quite intuitive and easy to
> > use actually.
>
> Well, they e.g. use cdrdao which leads to the assumption that
> they don't know how to _use_ cdrecord.

Hmm, that makes sense actually. Like I use Linux because I don't 
understand how to use Windows, or my mum drives a Nissan because 
she doesn't understand how to use an Opel. Also, I don't see how 
being able to design a good GUI and knowing how to use cdrecord are 
related.

The point of having a GUI is to hide as much technical complexity 
from the user as possible, and  provide them with an interface that 
matches their understanding of the task they want to perform. How 
the underlying technology works is only relevant insofar as it has 
an impact on the actions the user can perform. For example, when 
burning an iso9660 CD-R you need to burn a whole session at a time, 
you can't just go around adding and deleting files at random like 
on a random access medium. The interface needs to reflect this, it 
can't allow random writing and deleting and overwriting to the 
medium, because that is technically impossible.

Designing user interfaces requires knowledge of the limits of the 
technology, cognitive psychology, and user interface standards, and 
a good lot of careful testing in a usability lab. Designing a 
mental model that fits the technology and is easy to understand, 
and designing a user interface that suggests that mental model to 
the user and correctly supports its use is hard indeed.

Comparing xcdroast and k3b, it's clear that xcdroast is a thin shell 
that allows you to use cdrecord and mkisofs without touching the 
keyboard, while k3b is a cd creation program that uses cdrecord and 
mkisofs to implement a part of the required functionality.

> >The problem with your reply was that he was asking for support
> > for his drive with k3b. The only thing he said about
> > cdrecord-ProDVD was that it worked fine. After which you asked
> > him what was wrong specifically. Well, nothing...
>
> You should reread the OP.
>
> Thei is not true: He did send s cdrecord -prcap output from the
> Non DVD enabled version and asked _if_ (not how) it works. This
> is why I did send my reply with the question.

Quote the original post:

===
Subject: LF-D311 support?

Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)  
DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it 
under k3b.
===

Now this could have been a bit more verbose and it could have been 
an actual English sentence, but I don't see how you can interpret 
this to mean "Does the LF-D311 work with cdrecord-ProDVD?", since 
he explicitly mentions the answer to that question, that is, it 
works.

The alternative interpretation, that he wants to know if the drive 
is supported for use with k3b, makes a lot more sense. He mentions 
that it works with cdrecord-ProDVD, and he includes some 
information about the drive in the form of -prcap output so that 
Andy knows what kind of drive it is.

Lourens
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 20:45, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From: Lourens Veen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >On Wed 10 December 2003 17:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >> From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> >Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> >> >DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> >> >currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use
> >> > it under k3b.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated
> >> > :)
> >> >
> >> >If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing
> >> > to.
> >>
> >> You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be
> >> possible to answer.
> >>
> >> Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the
> >> information for cdrtools.
> >>
> >> If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a
> >> note...
> >
> >That does not compute. Please re-read the original post and
> >reconsider your answer.
>
> What should I change?
>
> He did not tell us what he likes to do and we don't know what
> k3b does.

Well, he did. He wants to use his drive with k3b.

> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
> by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
> the authors.

Well, incidentally, k3b doesn't use cdrecord at all for DVD burning, 
it uses dvd+rw-tools.

> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try
> to get into contact with me and I know from many contacts with
> Thomas Neiderreither that it is not simple to design a gui the
> right way. So I stand with my first mail: If the OP tells me what
> he does at cdrecord level, I may be able to help.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, the k3b authors should ask you 
how to design a GUI? I find k3b quite intuitive and easy to use 
actually. 

The problem with your reply was that he was asking for support for 
his drive with k3b. The only thing he said about cdrecord-ProDVD 
was that it worked fine. After which you asked him what was wrong 
specifically. Well, nothing...

Lourens
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Dec 10 22:05:42 2003

>> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
>> by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
>> the authors.

>Well, incidentally, k3b doesn't use cdrecord at all for DVD burning, 
>it uses dvd+rw-tools.

How should I know?

>> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try
>> to get into contact with me and I know from many contacts with
>> Thomas Neiderreither that it is not simple to design a gui the
>> right way. So I stand with my first mail: If the OP tells me what
>> he does at cdrecord level, I may be able to help.

>I'm not sure what you mean by that, the k3b authors should ask you 
>how to design a GUI? I find k3b quite intuitive and easy to use 
>actually. 

Well, they e.g. use cdrdao which leads to the assumption that
they don't know how to _use_ cdrecord.


>The problem with your reply was that he was asking for support for 
>his drive with k3b. The only thing he said about cdrecord-ProDVD 
>was that it worked fine. After which you asked him what was wrong 
>specifically. Well, nothing...

You should reread the OP.

Thei is not true: He did send s cdrecord -prcap output from the
Non DVD enabled version and asked _if_ (not how) it works. This is why I 
did send my reply with the question.

Jörg

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread James Lancaster
> What should I change? 
> 
> He did not tell us what he likes to do and we don't know what
> k3b does.
> 
> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
> by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
> the authors.
> 
> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try to get 
> into contact with me and I know from many contacts with Thomas 
Neiderreither
> that it is not simple to design a gui the right way. So I stand with
> my first mail: If the OP tells me what he does at cdrecord level, I may 
> be able to help.
> 

To clarify (now that it is a moot point): get growisofs to work with it 
(k3b support), whichi t now does. 5.13 was masked in portage on gentoo 
(not quite sure WHY...need to look into that)

Thank you all for your help.

James L

> J?rg
> 
> -- 
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread James Lancaster
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 02:30, you wrote:
> > > Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> > > DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> > > currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> > > under k3b.
> > 
> > Well, k3b is just a GUI frontend.
> 
> But it might fail to identify the drive...
> 

It works but still ids it as a reader and not a writer (dispite coming up, 
and having a writes dvds: yes)


> > It uses dvd+rw-tools to do the
> > burning, so what you really want to know is whether it works with
> > dvd+rw-tools.
> > 
> > So, have you tried to burn with growisofs and if so, what were the
> > results? See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ for more
> > information about dvd+rw-tools and a tutorial.
> 
> Just one extra detail. Panasonic LF-D31x support was added in 5.13.x, so
> that you have to make sure K3b uses this or later version. But if the
> problem is that K3b fails to recognize the drive, then you have to bring
> it up with K3b people. A.

Aha! that fixed it, thank you very much. 

You can put a MATSHITA DVD-RAM LF-D311 on the list of working burners :)

> 
> 



Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 20:45, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From: Lourens Veen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >On Wed 10 December 2003 17:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >> From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> >Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> >> >DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> >> >currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use
> >> > it under k3b.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated
> >> > :)
> >> >
> >> >If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing
> >> > to.
> >>
> >> You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be
> >> possible to answer.
> >>
> >> Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the
> >> information for cdrtools.
> >>
> >> If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a
> >> note...
> >
> >That does not compute. Please re-read the original post and
> >reconsider your answer.
>
> What should I change?
>
> He did not tell us what he likes to do and we don't know what
> k3b does.

Well, he did. He wants to use his drive with k3b.

> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
> by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
> the authors.

Well, incidentally, k3b doesn't use cdrecord at all for DVD burning, 
it uses dvd+rw-tools.

> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try
> to get into contact with me and I know from many contacts with
> Thomas Neiderreither that it is not simple to design a gui the
> right way. So I stand with my first mail: If the OP tells me what
> he does at cdrecord level, I may be able to help.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, the k3b authors should ask you 
how to design a GUI? I find k3b quite intuitive and easy to use 
actually. 

The problem with your reply was that he was asking for support for 
his drive with k3b. The only thing he said about cdrecord-ProDVD 
was that it worked fine. After which you asked him what was wrong 
specifically. Well, nothing...

Lourens
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Lourens Veen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>On Wed 10 December 2003 17:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> >Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
>> >DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
>> >currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
>> > under k3b.
>> >
>> >
>> >I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)
>> >
>> >If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing
>> > to.
>>
>> You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be
>> possible to answer.
>>
>> Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the
>> information for cdrtools.
>>
>> If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a
>> note...

>That does not compute. Please re-read the original post and 
>reconsider your answer.

What should I change? 

He did not tell us what he likes to do and we don't know what
k3b does.

Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
the authors.

Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try to get 
into contact with me and I know from many contacts with Thomas Neiderreither
that it is not simple to design a gui the right way. So I stand with
my first mail: If the OP tells me what he does at cdrecord level, I may 
be able to help.

Jörg

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread James Lancaster
> What should I change? 
> 
> He did not tell us what he likes to do and we don't know what
> k3b does.
> 
> Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
> by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
> the authors.
> 
> Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try to get 
> into contact with me and I know from many contacts with Thomas 
Neiderreither
> that it is not simple to design a gui the right way. So I stand with
> my first mail: If the OP tells me what he does at cdrecord level, I may 
> be able to help.
> 

To clarify (now that it is a moot point): get growisofs to work with it 
(k3b support), whichi t now does. 5.13 was masked in portage on gentoo 
(not quite sure WHY...need to look into that)

Thank you all for your help.

James L

> J?rg
> 
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 17:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> >DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> >currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> > under k3b.
> >
> >
> >I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)
> >
> >If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing
> > to.
>
> You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be
> possible to answer.
>
> Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the
> information for cdrtools.
>
> If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a
> note...

That does not compute. Please re-read the original post and 
reconsider your answer.

Lourens
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread James Lancaster
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 02:30, you wrote:
> > > Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> > > DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> > > currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> > > under k3b.
> > 
> > Well, k3b is just a GUI frontend.
> 
> But it might fail to identify the drive...
> 

It works but still ids it as a reader and not a writer (dispite coming up, 
and having a writes dvds: yes)


> > It uses dvd+rw-tools to do the
> > burning, so what you really want to know is whether it works with
> > dvd+rw-tools.
> > 
> > So, have you tried to burn with growisofs and if so, what were the
> > results? See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ for more
> > information about dvd+rw-tools and a tutorial.
> 
> Just one extra detail. Panasonic LF-D31x support was added in 5.13.x, so
> that you have to make sure K3b uses this or later version. But if the
> problem is that K3b fails to recognize the drive, then you have to bring
> it up with K3b people. A.

Aha! that fixed it, thank you very much. 

You can put a MATSHITA DVD-RAM LF-D311 on the list of working burners :)

> 
> 


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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Lourens Veen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>On Wed 10 December 2003 17:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> >Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
>> >DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
>> >currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
>> > under k3b.
>> >
>> >
>> >I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)
>> >
>> >If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing
>> > to.
>>
>> You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be
>> possible to answer.
>>
>> Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the
>> information for cdrtools.
>>
>> If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a
>> note...

>That does not compute. Please re-read the original post and 
>reconsider your answer.

What should I change? 

He did not tell us what he likes to do and we don't know what
k3b does.

Of course, problems may also be caused by miss usage of cdrecord
by k3b, but if he is interested in k3b problems, he should ask
the authors.

Here we are on another problem: as the k3b authors never did try to get 
into contact with me and I know from many contacts with Thomas Neiderreither
that it is not simple to design a gui the right way. So I stand with
my first mail: If the OP tells me what he does at cdrecord level, I may 
be able to help.

Jörg

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 17:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> >DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> >currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> > under k3b.
> >
> >
> >I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)
> >
> >If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing
> > to.
>
> You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be
> possible to answer.
>
> Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the
> information for cdrtools.
>
> If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a
> note...

That does not compute. Please re-read the original post and 
reconsider your answer.

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)  
>DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
>currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it under k3b.


>I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)

>If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing to. 

You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be possible to
answer.

Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the information
for cdrtools.

If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a note...

Jörg

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: James Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)  
>DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
>currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it under k3b.


>I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)

>If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing to. 

You did not tell us what you like to do. How should it be possible to
answer.

Both DVD-RAM and DVD-R are supported as mentioned in the information
for cdrtools.

If you have problems due to firmware bugs, you should send a note...

Jörg

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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Andy Polyakov
> > Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> > DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> > currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> > under k3b.
> 
> Well, k3b is just a GUI frontend.

But it might fail to identify the drive...

> It uses dvd+rw-tools to do the
> burning, so what you really want to know is whether it works with
> dvd+rw-tools.
> 
> So, have you tried to burn with growisofs and if so, what were the
> results? See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ for more
> information about dvd+rw-tools and a tutorial.

Just one extra detail. Panasonic LF-D31x support was added in 5.13.x, so
that you have to make sure K3b uses this or later version. But if the
problem is that K3b fails to recognize the drive, then you have to bring
it up with K3b people. A.



Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Andy Polyakov
> > Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> > DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> > currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> > under k3b.
> 
> Well, k3b is just a GUI frontend.

But it might fail to identify the drive...

> It uses dvd+rw-tools to do the
> burning, so what you really want to know is whether it works with
> dvd+rw-tools.
> 
> So, have you tried to burn with growisofs and if so, what were the
> results? See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ for more
> information about dvd+rw-tools and a tutorial.

Just one extra detail. Panasonic LF-D31x support was added in 5.13.x, so
that you have to make sure K3b uses this or later version. But if the
problem is that K3b fails to recognize the drive, then you have to bring
it up with K3b people. A.


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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 06:15, James Lancaster wrote:
> Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> under k3b.

Well, k3b is just a GUI frontend. It uses dvd+rw-tools to do the 
burning, so what you really want to know is whether it works with 
dvd+rw-tools.

So, have you tried to burn with growisofs and if so, what were the 
results? See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ for more 
information about dvd+rw-tools and a tutorial.

Lourens
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Re: LF-D311 support?

2003-12-10 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 10 December 2003 06:15, James Lancaster wrote:
> Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)
> DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
> currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it
> under k3b.

Well, k3b is just a GUI frontend. It uses dvd+rw-tools to do the 
burning, so what you really want to know is whether it works with 
dvd+rw-tools.

So, have you tried to burn with growisofs and if so, what were the 
results? See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ for more 
information about dvd+rw-tools and a tutorial.

Lourens
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LF-D311 support?

2003-12-09 Thread James Lancaster
Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)  
DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it under k3b.


I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)

If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing to. 

James L







The following the output of "cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/hda"
Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J?g 
Schilling
scsidev: '/dev/hda'
devname: '/dev/hda'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   :
Vendor_info: 'MATSHITA'
Identifikation : 'DVD-RAM LF-D311 '
Revision   : 'A123'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.

Drive capabilities, per MMC-2 page 2A:

  Does read CD-R media
  Does not write CD-R media
  Does read CD-RW media
  Does not write CD-RW media
  Does read DVD-ROM media
  Does read DVD-R media
  Does write DVD-R media
  Does read DVD-RAM media
  Does write DVD-RAM media
  Does support test writing

  Does read Mode 2 Form 1 blocks
  Does read Mode 2 Form 2 blocks
  Does read digital audio blocks
  Does restart non-streamed digital audio reads accurately
  Does not support Buffer-Underrun-Free recording
  Does read multi-session CDs
  Does read fixed-packet CD media using Method 2
  Does read CD bar code
  Does not read R-W subcode information
  Does not read raw P-W subcode data from lead in
  Does return CD media catalog number
  Does return CD ISRC information
  Does support C2 error pointers
  Does deliver composite A/V data

  Does play audio CDs
  Number of volume control levels: 256
  Does support individual volume control setting for each channel
  Does support independent mute setting for each channel
  Does not support digital output on port 1
  Does not support digital output on port 2

  Loading mechanism type: tray
  Does support ejection of CD via START/STOP command
  Does not lock media on power up via prevent jumper
  Does allow media to be locked in the drive via PREVENT/ALLOW command
  Is not currently in a media-locked state
  Does not support changing side of disk
  Does not have load-empty-slot-in-changer feature
  Does not support Individual Disk Present feature

  Maximum read  speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Current read  speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Maximum write speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Current write speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Buffer size in KB: 1024
  Copy management revision supported: 1



LF-D311 support?

2003-12-09 Thread James Lancaster
Any idea if this is supported (doesn't seem to be working)  
DVD-RAM/DVD-R drive (write speed on DVD-R is 1x)
currently burns under cdrecord-prodvd but I would like to use it under k3b.


I am Off-list, so if anyone replies a cc would be apreciated :)

If anyone needs me to try anything out I am perfectly willing to. 

James L







The following the output of "cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/hda"
Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J?g 
Schilling
scsidev: '/dev/hda'
devname: '/dev/hda'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   :
Vendor_info: 'MATSHITA'
Identifikation : 'DVD-RAM LF-D311 '
Revision   : 'A123'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.

Drive capabilities, per MMC-2 page 2A:

  Does read CD-R media
  Does not write CD-R media
  Does read CD-RW media
  Does not write CD-RW media
  Does read DVD-ROM media
  Does read DVD-R media
  Does write DVD-R media
  Does read DVD-RAM media
  Does write DVD-RAM media
  Does support test writing

  Does read Mode 2 Form 1 blocks
  Does read Mode 2 Form 2 blocks
  Does read digital audio blocks
  Does restart non-streamed digital audio reads accurately
  Does not support Buffer-Underrun-Free recording
  Does read multi-session CDs
  Does read fixed-packet CD media using Method 2
  Does read CD bar code
  Does not read R-W subcode information
  Does not read raw P-W subcode data from lead in
  Does return CD media catalog number
  Does return CD ISRC information
  Does support C2 error pointers
  Does deliver composite A/V data

  Does play audio CDs
  Number of volume control levels: 256
  Does support individual volume control setting for each channel
  Does support independent mute setting for each channel
  Does not support digital output on port 1
  Does not support digital output on port 2

  Loading mechanism type: tray
  Does support ejection of CD via START/STOP command
  Does not lock media on power up via prevent jumper
  Does allow media to be locked in the drive via PREVENT/ALLOW command
  Is not currently in a media-locked state
  Does not support changing side of disk
  Does not have load-empty-slot-in-changer feature
  Does not support Individual Disk Present feature

  Maximum read  speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Current read  speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Maximum write speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Current write speed: 0 kB/s (CD   0x, DVD  0x)
  Buffer size in KB: 1024
  Copy management revision supported: 1


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