Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Julien Gabel
 If you need information about FreeBSD kernel bugs, ask the
 FreeBSD kernel team!
 You definitely need to replace your kernel with a working one!

 There was a deficiency in kernel that it does not provided sense codes
 automatically, as required by specifications. This problem was fixed in
 CVS, but 5.2 and 5.2.1 releases does contain this problem.

This explains the kernel bug answer... :(

 dvd+rw-tools were teached to obtain sense information from kernel
 manually, so they fully work on 5.2.1. cdrecord relies on working
 autosense and thus don't work on 5.2.1.

I already try to use dvd+rw-tools according to:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html

But here is what I get:
 # dvd+rw-format -force /dev/cd0
 * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
 :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
 * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
 * formatting |:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
   :Input/output error

Or:
 # dvd+rw-format -blank=all /dev/cd0
 * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
 :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
 * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
 * blanking .:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
   :Input/output error

If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
Am I missing something?

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
 FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
or
 FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

 Other posibilities are running FreeBSD 4.x or avoid using cdrecord.

Is there no chance to use FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools together?

Thanks,
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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Joerg Schilling

From: Julien Gabel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
Am I missing something?

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
 FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
or
 FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

This sounds strange!

Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being able to
use youe hardware?

In addition, you should have noted immediately after upgrading to the broken
OS release and send out a bug report as well as downgraded back to the previous 
release.

It seems that you did not use cdrecord but dvd+rwtools and for this reason
did not realize your problems early enough..


Jörg

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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Pav Lucistnik
V ne, 11. 04. 2004 v 14:29, Julien Gabel pí¨e:

  dvd+rw-tools were teached to obtain sense information from kernel
  manually, so they fully work on 5.2.1. cdrecord relies on working
  autosense and thus don't work on 5.2.1.
 
 I already try to use dvd+rw-tools according to:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html
 
 But here is what I get:
  # dvd+rw-format -force /dev/cd0
  * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
  :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
  * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
  * formatting |:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
:Input/output error
 
 Or:
  # dvd+rw-format -blank=all /dev/cd0
  * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
  :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
  * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
  * blanking .:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
:Input/output error
 
 If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
 FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
 Am I missing something?

I'm not absolutely sure but I guess only growisofs accounts for the
kernel deficiency and not dvd+rw-format. Andy?

  The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
  you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.
 
 ... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
  FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
 or
  FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
 I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.
 
  Other posibilities are running FreeBSD 4.x or avoid using cdrecord.
 
 Is there no chance to use FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools together?

You should really go to a working version of FreeBSD instead. Note that
you'll hit this problem on CD-R too, and dvd+rw-tools don't do CD-R.
Can you blank a CD-RW using cdrecord? Does cdrdao works for you? There
are no alternatives to these programs.

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A cow is a sphere that emits milk into all directions.
At least to a first approximation.
  -- An unknown physicist



Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Julien Gabel
If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
Am I missing something?

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
 FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
or
 FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

 This sounds strange!

 Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being able
 to use youe hardware?

Because this is a _release_, and running the -CURRENT (CVS) version
seems to me more dangerous than staying with this version. Note that
the release may be buggy for some part (as for the point here) but not
for others. Other than this particular problem, I'm very happy with
this FreeBSD-RELEASE. But I understand your point of view.

My question now is: If I understand why cdrecord-DVD isn't working
whith this release; why seems it not working with dvd+rwtools too?

 In addition, you should have noted immediately after upgrading to the
 broken OS release and send out a bug report as well as downgraded back
 to the previous release.

The notebook, in which there is the DVD writer I want to use, is relatively
new... and I never had a DVD writer before. On the other hand, Pav
Lucistnik has explained that this was corrected for now, so...

 It seems that you did not use cdrecord but dvd+rwtools and for this
 reason did not realize your problems early enough...

I try to use dvd+rwtools in the first place because I follow the directions
provided by the FreeBSD Handbook and because there is a FreeBSD port in
order to managed its installation/upgrade process. Since it seems not
to run as expected for me, I searched an other tool, and because I was very
happy with cdrecord for CD-R/-RW in the past, I decided to give a try to
cdrecord-proDVD (even if there is not a port yet: this is the reason for
using the binary version of this program). That's all.

Thanks for your answers,
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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Julien Gabel
 I already try to use dvd+rw-tools according to:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
 creating-dvds.html

 But here is what I get:
  # dvd+rw-format -force /dev/cd0
  * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
  :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
  * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
  * formatting |:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with
 SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
:Input/output error

 Or:
  # dvd+rw-format -blank=all /dev/cd0
  * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
  :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
  * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
  * blanking .:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with
 SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
:Input/output error

 If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
 FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
 Am I missing something?

 I'm not absolutely sure but I guess only growisofs accounts for the
 kernel deficiency and not dvd+rw-format. Andy?

This can explain why I succeed writing a DVD-R using growisofs; but not
to put a DVD-RW in the restricted overwrite format, nor change back to
the sequential format using dvd+rw-format.

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

 ... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
  FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
 or
  FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
 I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

 Other posibilities are running FreeBSD 4.x or avoid using cdrecord.

 Is there no chance to use FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools together?

 You should really go to a working version of FreeBSD instead. Note that
 you'll hit this problem on CD-R too, and dvd+rw-tools don't do CD-R.
 Can you blank a CD-RW using cdrecord? Does cdrdao works for you? There
 are no alternatives to these programs.

Maybe I will reconsider my position on using the -RELEASE. As I said
before: maybe this will resolve this particular problem, but running
a -CURRENT has some other disavantages!... :-\

Because this is related to a bug, is it not possible to integrate a
patch for this in the security advisories and other critical fixes
branch for RELENG_5_2?

For the second part of your answer, I already succeed to:
 - write CD-R (cdrecord);
 - write/rewrite CD-RW (cdrecord);
 - write a DVD-R (growisofs).

So, as stated by Jörg Schilling in a previous post:
 Of course this bug caused cdrecord to fail in nearly all situations.
  If cdrecord did work with the buggy OS, it was pure luck.
Maybe is it some luck, but it seems to run correctly...

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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Joerg Schilling

From: Julien Gabel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being able
 to use youe hardware?

Because this is a _release_, and running the -CURRENT (CVS) version
seems to me more dangerous than staying with this version. Note that
the release may be buggy for some part (as for the point here) but not
for others. Other than this particular problem, I'm very happy with
this FreeBSD-RELEASE. But I understand your point of view.

Fact is that you like to use this kernel for CD/DVD writing.

As (beacause of named bug) your kernel is absolutely unusable, you have to 
decide whether you like to keep the broken kernel of whether you like to
write CD/DVDs.

Jörg

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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Joerg Schilling

From: Julien Gabel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
Am I missing something?

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
 FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
or
 FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

This sounds strange!

Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being able to
use youe hardware?

In addition, you should have noted immediately after upgrading to the broken
OS release and send out a bug report as well as downgraded back to the previous 
release.

It seems that you did not use cdrecord but dvd+rwtools and for this reason
did not realize your problems early enough..


Jörg

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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Julien Gabel
If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
Am I missing something?

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
 FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
or
 FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

 This sounds strange!

 Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being able
 to use youe hardware?

Because this is a _release_, and running the -CURRENT (CVS) version
seems to me more dangerous than staying with this version. Note that
the release may be buggy for some part (as for the point here) but not
for others. Other than this particular problem, I'm very happy with
this FreeBSD-RELEASE. But I understand your point of view.

My question now is: If I understand why cdrecord-DVD isn't working
whith this release; why seems it not working with dvd+rwtools too?

 In addition, you should have noted immediately after upgrading to the
 broken OS release and send out a bug report as well as downgraded back
 to the previous release.

The notebook, in which there is the DVD writer I want to use, is relatively
new... and I never had a DVD writer before. On the other hand, Pav
Lucistnik has explained that this was corrected for now, so...

 It seems that you did not use cdrecord but dvd+rwtools and for this
 reason did not realize your problems early enough...

I try to use dvd+rwtools in the first place because I follow the directions
provided by the FreeBSD Handbook and because there is a FreeBSD port in
order to managed its installation/upgrade process. Since it seems not
to run as expected for me, I searched an other tool, and because I was very
happy with cdrecord for CD-R/-RW in the past, I decided to give a try to
cdrecord-proDVD (even if there is not a port yet: this is the reason for
using the binary version of this program). That's all.

Thanks for your answers,
-- 
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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Julien Gabel
 I already try to use dvd+rw-tools according to:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
 creating-dvds.html

 But here is what I get:
  # dvd+rw-format -force /dev/cd0
  * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
  :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
  * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
  * formatting |:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with
 SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
:Input/output error

 Or:
  # dvd+rw-format -blank=all /dev/cd0
  * DVD±RW format utility by [EMAIL PROTECTED], version 4.9.
  :-( failed to locate Quick Format descriptor.
  * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
  * blanking .:-[ READ TRACK INFORMATION failed with
 SK=3h/ASC=11h/ACQ=05h]
:Input/output error

 If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
 FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
 Am I missing something?

 I'm not absolutely sure but I guess only growisofs accounts for the
 kernel deficiency and not dvd+rw-format. Andy?

This can explain why I succeed writing a DVD-R using growisofs; but not
to put a DVD-RW in the restricted overwrite format, nor change back to
the sequential format using dvd+rw-format.

 The help here is not easy. I'd suggest you to upgrade to -CURRENT, if
 you're ready to face all the possible problem of running CVS code.

 ... not really. In this particular case: a choice between
  FreeBSD-CURRENT + cdrecord-proDVD
 or
  FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools
 I would prefer the second choice: staying with the OS release branch.

 Other posibilities are running FreeBSD 4.x or avoid using cdrecord.

 Is there no chance to use FreeBSD-5.2.1 + dvd+rw-tools together?

 You should really go to a working version of FreeBSD instead. Note that
 you'll hit this problem on CD-R too, and dvd+rw-tools don't do CD-R.
 Can you blank a CD-RW using cdrecord? Does cdrdao works for you? There
 are no alternatives to these programs.

Maybe I will reconsider my position on using the -RELEASE. As I said
before: maybe this will resolve this particular problem, but running
a -CURRENT has some other disavantages!... :-\

Because this is related to a bug, is it not possible to integrate a
patch for this in the security advisories and other critical fixes
branch for RELENG_5_2?

For the second part of your answer, I already succeed to:
 - write CD-R (cdrecord);
 - write/rewrite CD-RW (cdrecord);
 - write a DVD-R (growisofs).

So, as stated by Jörg Schilling in a previous post:
 Of course this bug caused cdrecord to fail in nearly all situations.
  If cdrecord did work with the buggy OS, it was pure luck.
Maybe is it some luck, but it seems to run correctly...

Thanks,
-- 
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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Pav Lucistnik
V ne, 11. 04. 2004 v 15:40, Julien Gabel pe:

 Because this is related to a bug, is it not possible to integrate a
 patch for this in the security advisories and other critical fixes
 branch for RELENG_5_2?

No. This branch is now closed for anything except fixes of security
flaws.

-- 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Alignment: Neutral Greedy



Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Joerg Schilling

From: Julien Gabel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being able
 to use youe hardware?

Because this is a _release_, and running the -CURRENT (CVS) version
seems to me more dangerous than staying with this version. Note that
the release may be buggy for some part (as for the point here) but not
for others. Other than this particular problem, I'm very happy with
this FreeBSD-RELEASE. But I understand your point of view.

Fact is that you like to use this kernel for CD/DVD writing.

As (beacause of named bug) your kernel is absolutely unusable, you have to 
decide whether you like to keep the broken kernel of whether you like to
write CD/DVDs.

Jörg

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Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Andy Polyakov
If I can understand the problem relating to the internal bug with the
FreeBSD kernel (and not using cdrecord-proDVD), what may be wrong here?
Am I missing something?

I'm not absolutely sure but I guess only growisofs accounts for the
kernel deficiency and not dvd+rw-format. Andy?
*All* dvd+rw-tools account for kernel deficiency. Reported failure to 
format/blank media is believed to be media problem [at least till it's 
proven otherwise by testing other brand]. A.



Re: Problem using a TEAC DV-W22E withdvd+rw-tools/cdrecord-prodvd/dvdrtools.

2004-04-11 Thread Julien Gabel
 Why do you like to stay with a broken OS and as a result not being
 able to use youe hardware?

 Because this is a _release_, and running the -CURRENT (CVS) version
 seems to me more dangerous than staying with this version. Note that
 the release may be buggy for some part (as for the point here) but not
 for others. Other than this particular problem, I'm very happy with
 this FreeBSD-RELEASE. But I understand your point of view.

 Fact is that you like to use this kernel for CD/DVD writing.
 As (beacause of named bug) your kernel is absolutely unusable, you have
 to decide whether you like to keep the broken kernel of whether you like
 to write CD/DVDs.

Ok. I've decided to give a try to -CURRENT in order to be able to write
some DVD-RW.

Then, and because I seem to be lucky these days, maybe I now have a 'fine'
kernel... but I also have a broken system (argh!) :(

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