Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Andy Polyakov]

The solution can be to replace

if (!dvddash && minv>(2*ONEX))

with

else if (!dvddash && minv>(2*ONEX))


This is exactly what 6.1 announcement[*] refers to as "typo in -speed 
interpretation code." A.


[*] http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2006/01/msg00249.html


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Re: Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Yuri Vishnevsky]

> Later you have a set of if statements to determine divisor for
> speed_factor. 5540 is definitely > then (3*ONEX), so speed_factor will
> be divided by 4.0 and now we have (speed_factor == 4.0). But later you
> have something like this:

Sorry, i meant (speed_factor == 2.0) after division by 4.0. It was late
night when i posted previous message :)


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Re: Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Yuri Vishnevsky]

I have the same speed related problem with dvd+rw-tools 6.0 and ASUS
DRW-1608P.

It seems that the problem is in set_speed_B9 function in
growisofs_mmc.cpp.

So here is my output from dvd+rw-mediainfo:

INQUIRY:[ASUS][DRW-1608P   ][1.17]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media: 11h, DVD-R Sequential
 Media ID:   TTG02  
 Current Write Speed:   8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #0:8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #1:6.0x1385=8310KB/s
 Write Speed #2:4.0x1385=5540KB/s
 Speed Descriptor#0:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
 Speed Descriptor#1:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
 Speed Descriptor#2:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]:
 Media Book Type:   25h, DVD-R book [revision 5]
 Legacy lead-out at:2298496*2KB=4707319808
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:   25h, DVD-R book [revision 5]
 Last border-out at:0*2KB=0
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:   blank
 Number of Sessions:1
 State of Last Session: empty
 Number of Tracks:  1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:   invisible incremental
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
 Free Blocks:   2297888*2KB
 Track Size:2297888*2KB
READ CAPACITY:  0*2048=0

As you can see, the minimal speed is "Write Speed #2:
4.0x1385=5540KB/s" and it should be treated as 1x for this media.

Indeed after finishing this for loop in growisofs_mmc:

for (minv=0x7fff,i=0;i then (3*ONEX), so speed_factor will
be divided by 4.0 and now we have (speed_factor == 4.0). But later you
have something like this:

if (!dvddash && minv>(2*ONEX))
// 2.4x is like 1x for DVD+, but it turned out that there're
// units, most notably "DVDRW IDE1004," burning DVD+ at
// lower speed, so I have to watch out for it...
speed_factor /= 2.4;
else if (minv>=(2*ONEX))
speed_factor /= 2.0;

5540 is also >= then (2*ONEX) and speed_factor will be also divided by
2.0. So now (speed_factor == 1.0) and we get 4x speed instead of 8x
specified at command line.

The solution can be to replace

if (!dvddash && minv>(2*ONEX))

with

else if (!dvddash && minv>(2*ONEX))

Then the former 2 if statements will be checked only if all above
failed.

This solution worked for me, but I'm not sure if it addresses all issues
of speed_factor calculations. I didn't dig there too deep :)

As temporary workaround it is possible to set "speed" option of k3b to
"Ignore" for -speed option not to be passed to growisofs.



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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Joerg de la Haye]

On Friday 27 January 2006 06:03, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I just did a DVD-R this morning with a Pioneer drive, as a test of the
> 6.0 version. The report is:
> INQUIRY:[PIONEER ][DVD-RW  DVR-104 ][1.40]
> GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
>  Mounted Media: 11h, DVD-R Sequential
>  Media ID:  CMC MAG. AF1
>  Current Write Speed:   2.0x1385=2770KB/s
>  Write Speed #0:2.0x1385=2770KB/s
>  Write Speed #1:1.0x1385=1385KB/s
>  Speed Descriptor#0:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
>  Speed Descriptor#1:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
> READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
>  Media Book Type:   25h, DVD-R book [revision 5]
>  Legacy lead-out at:0*2KB=0
> READ DISC INFORMATION:
>  Disc status:   blank
>  Number of Sessions:1
>  State of Last Session: empty
>  Number of Tracks:  1
> READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
>  Track State:   invisible incremental
>  Track Start Address:   0*2KB
>  Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
>  Free Blocks:   2297888*2KB
>  Track Size:2297888*2KB
> READ CAPACITY:  0*2048=0
>
> and it worked perfectly. Media is some "whatever was cheapest no-name"
> from a computer show. They have been working fine in all my machines,
> and cost me $50 for 4x100 spindles. The name is "ValueDisk." I believe
> they will run up to 8x in a more modern burner, but my newest D/L unit
> is powered down for a drive install, so I am not motivated to test more
> tonight.
>
> growisofs 6.0 works fine for me here, with cheap or HP DVD-R, and with
> LITEON LDW-451S unit, although dvd+rw-mediainfo can't give me info on
> the liteon (2.6.15 kernel, old ones work).

But your drive - the Pioneer DVR-104 - has a minimal DVD writing speed of 1x 
(see 
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_4249_47473,00.html).  

So my guess about the problem with the speed-option of version 6.0 for drives 
with minimal burning speeds > 1x is still a possible explanation for the 
behaviour of growisofs with my drive.


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Bill Davidsen]

Joerg de la Haye wrote:

Sorry for capturing this thread :-), I know that my drive is a LG and not a 
Pioneer, of course (and sorry for double posting, I didn't have look at the 
subject before posting). 

But I think the problem with the speed option of growisofs 6.0 is vendor 
independent, my guess is that it should happen with all drives with minimum 
writing speed of 2. I hope that I'm not wrong about that, I bet it would make 
it more difficult to fix if it *is* an vendor specific problem with LG.



 

I just did a DVD-R this morning with a Pioneer drive, as a test of the 
6.0 version. The report is:

INQUIRY:[PIONEER ][DVD-RW  DVR-104 ][1.40]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
Mounted Media: 11h, DVD-R Sequential
Media ID:  CMC MAG. AF1
Current Write Speed:   2.0x1385=2770KB/s
Write Speed #0:2.0x1385=2770KB/s
Write Speed #1:1.0x1385=1385KB/s
Speed Descriptor#0:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
Speed Descriptor#1:00/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
Media Book Type:   25h, DVD-R book [revision 5]
Legacy lead-out at:0*2KB=0
READ DISC INFORMATION:
Disc status:   blank
Number of Sessions:1
State of Last Session: empty
Number of Tracks:  1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
Track State:   invisible incremental
Track Start Address:   0*2KB
Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
Free Blocks:   2297888*2KB
Track Size:2297888*2KB
READ CAPACITY:  0*2048=0

and it worked perfectly. Media is some "whatever was cheapest no-name" 
from a computer show. They have been working fine in all my machines, 
and cost me $50 for 4x100 spindles. The name is "ValueDisk." I believe 
they will run up to 8x in a more modern burner, but my newest D/L unit 
is powered down for a drive install, so I am not motivated to test more 
tonight.


growisofs 6.0 works fine for me here, with cheap or HP DVD-R, and with 
LITEON LDW-451S unit, although dvd+rw-mediainfo can't give me info on 
the liteon (2.6.15 kernel, old ones work).


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Bill Davidsen]

Andy Polyakov wrote:


My attempts to burn data DVD's with k3b and dvd+rw-tools were not
going well (I saw errors like
:-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=30310h, retry in 47ms
and got I/O errors when attempting to read the resulting disks.)
See the thread at
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9528934&forum_id=1927 


for details.



As implied in thread in question the fatal failures [like "retry in 0 
ms" and failure to close disc/session at the end of recording] are 
indeed fixed in dvd+rw-tools 6.0. Remaining "appears to be stuck" are 
pure warnings, which can be safely ignored. growisofs normally 
attempts to hide them and shows them only when it appears abnormal 
from a viewpoint of cautious programmer such as myself. The last part 
means that if I at some point feel that it's 100% appropriate to just 
hide this warnings and that they add no value whatsoever to 
troubleshooting, I will just remove them. But till then you have 
to/can simply ignore them. 


Actually, if you think they have value that's fine. If nothing else they 
may help identify corner cases in error reports. Nice to get an error 
message if only to be sure the program KNOWS it's wedged.


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Joerg de la Haye]

Sorry for capturing this thread :-), I know that my drive is a LG and not a 
Pioneer, of course (and sorry for double posting, I didn't have look at the 
subject before posting). 

But I think the problem with the speed option of growisofs 6.0 is vendor 
independent, my guess is that it should happen with all drives with minimum 
writing speed of 2. I hope that I'm not wrong about that, I bet it would make 
it more difficult to fix if it *is* an vendor specific problem with LG.


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Re: *** Bogofilter Spamverdacht *** Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Joerg de la Haye]

Sorry for capturing this thread :-), I know that my drive is a LG and not a 
Pioneer, of course.

But I think the problem with the speed option of growisofs 6.0 is vendor 
independent, my guess is that it should happen with all drives with minimum 
writing speed of 2. I hope that I'm not wrong about that, I bet it would make 
it more difficult to fix if it *is* an vendor specific problem with LG.


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Karl-Heinz Herrmann]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:02:37 +1300
Volker Kuhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I've an older LG DVD burner -- and nothing but trouble if I don't
> > get the exactly right medium. 
> 
> Which model?

Vendor_info: 'HL-DT-ST'
Identifikation : 'DVDRAM GSA-4040B'
Revision   : 'A304'

DVD-RAM seems ok 100%, DVD+RW is fine all the time, DVD+R fails most of
the time (burning goes fine, data are not readable after first 1/4 of
DVD, random). TDK DVD-R are the only ones I found working >95% right now
and I get 50/50 with verbatim DVD-R. A304 is latest firmware as far as I
know. The older firmware had the same trouble. 

I almost though Its simply unable to hande todays 8/16x media -- but the
TDK are rated 8x and work. 


K.-H.


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Joerg Schilling]

Matthias Andree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Karl-Heinz Herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:01:09 +0100
> > Joerg de la Haye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> INQUIRY:[HL-DT-ST][DVDRAM GSA-4167B][DL12]
> >
> > on the outside of this is a "Pioneer" label? The inside looks *very*
> > much like an LG. Type numbers and inq string and all. 
>
> Not a big surprise. While HL-DT-ST is a brand in its own right, it's
> called "Hitachi-LG Data Storage". 
> ^   ^  ^ ^  ^^ 

This is Hitachi Lucky Goldstar Data Storage division.

Hitachi develops optical drives and LG makes them.

And BTW: 50% of the "Sony" DVD+- drives in the Sony VIO PCs have been 
Pioneer drives with Sony specific firmware.

Jörg

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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Matthias Andree]

Karl-Heinz Herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:01:09 +0100
> Joerg de la Haye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> INQUIRY:[HL-DT-ST][DVDRAM GSA-4167B][DL12]
>
> on the outside of this is a "Pioneer" label? The inside looks *very*
> much like an LG. Type numbers and inq string and all. 

Not a big surprise. While HL-DT-ST is a brand in its own right, it's
called "Hitachi-LG Data Storage". 
^   ^  ^ ^  ^^ 

They are only supplying OEM markets, I first came across them in
Fujitsu-Siemens Computers (FSC) Scenic W600 and W620 "workstations"
(aka. Pentium 4 Peeceeh), but the DVD writers FSC shipped were all NEC
drives. I've certainly seen worse stuff than this, OTOH I have only
tried Verbatim DataLifePlus 16-24X, whoever made them (MCC I believe)
and a few 10X CD-RW of various brands, neither caused a problem, and
reading SUSE 9.3 or 10.0 DVD 9 GB disks wasn't a problem either.

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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Volker Kuhlmann]

> > INQUIRY:[HL-DT-ST][DVDRAM GSA-4167B][DL12]
> 
> on the outside of this is a "Pioneer" label?

I really doubt it. Pioneer drives identify as "Pioneer ... A05..10"
or "105..110". This is a current model LG burner.

> I've an older LG DVD burner -- and nothing but trouble if I don't get
> the exactly right medium. 

Which model?

Volker

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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Karl-Heinz Herrmann]

Hi,


On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:01:09 +0100
Joerg de la Haye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> INQUIRY:[HL-DT-ST][DVDRAM GSA-4167B][DL12]

on the outside of this is a "Pioneer" label? The inside looks *very*
much like an LG. Type numbers and inq string and all. 

I've an older LG DVD burner -- and nothing but trouble if I don't get
the exactly right medium. 


K.-H.


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Joerg de la Haye]

On Monday 23 January 2006 14:35, you wrote:
> > as others seem to have burning speed problems with growisofs / k3b, too,
> > you may have a look at my KDE bugreport:
> >
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120548
> >
> > Maybe that helps,
>
> Not if you complement the report with dvd+rw-mediainfo output preferably
> for resulting recording or at least for same media brand. In other words
> dvd+rw-mediainfo output is a *requirement* for meaningful problem
> report. Cheers. A.

Ok, here we go, it happens with both media types listed below. I have some 
recorded DVDs here, but I'm not sure whether I recorded them with cdrecord or 
growisofs, but if you want me to I'd do a burning test. Ask me if you need 
additional information & tests.
As said before, growisofs 6.0 works like a charm if speed option isn't set 
explicitly. Setting speed option did work in the last version. 



---

A blank media DVD+R:

INQUIRY:[HL-DT-ST][DVDRAM GSA-4167B][DL12]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media: 1Bh, DVD+R
 Current Write Speed:   8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #0:8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #1:4.0x1385=5540KB/s
GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE:
 Write Performance: 6.0x1385=8310KB/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> 135167]
8.0x1385=11080KB/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> 2295103]
 Speed Descriptor#0:02/2295103 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
 Speed Descriptor#1:02/2295103 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:   A1h, DVD+R book [revision 1]
 Media ID:  RITEK/R03
 Legacy lead-out at:2295104*2KB=4700372992
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:   blank
 Number of Sessions:1
 State of Last Session: empty
 Number of Tracks:  1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:   blank
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
 Free Blocks:   2295104*2KB
 Track Size:2295104*2KB
READ CAPACITY:  0*2048=0



-

Another blank media (DVD-R):

INQUIRY:[HL-DT-ST][DVDRAM GSA-4167B][DL12]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media: 11h, DVD-R Sequential
 Media ID:  CMC MAG. AE1
 Current Write Speed:   8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #0:8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #1:4.0x1385=5540KB/s
GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE:
 Write Performance: 6.0x1385=8310KB/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> 135167]
8.0x1385=11080KB/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> 2298495]
 Speed Descriptor#0:02/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
 Speed Descriptor#1:02/2298495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s [EMAIL PROTECTED]/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:   25h, DVD-R book [revision 5]
 Legacy lead-out at:2298496*2KB=4707319808
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:   blank
 Number of Sessions:1
 State of Last Session: empty
 Number of Tracks:  1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:   invisible incremental
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
 Free Blocks:   2297888*2KB
 Track Size:2297888*2KB
READ CAPACITY:  0*2048=0


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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Andy Polyakov]

as others seem to have burning speed problems with growisofs / k3b, too, you 
may have a look at my KDE bugreport:


https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120548

Maybe that helps,


Not if you complement the report with dvd+rw-mediainfo output preferably 
for resulting recording or at least for same media brand. In other words 
dvd+rw-mediainfo output is a *requirement* for meaningful problem 
report. Cheers. A.



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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Joerg de la Haye]

Hi all,

as others seem to have burning speed problems with growisofs / k3b, too, you 
may have a look at my KDE bugreport:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120548

Maybe that helps,
Joerg



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Re: Problems with dvd+rw-tools 6 and Pioneer drive

[Andy Polyakov]

My attempts to burn data DVD's with k3b and dvd+rw-tools were not
going well (I saw errors like
:-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=30310h, retry in 47ms
and got I/O errors when attempting to read the resulting disks.)
See the thread at
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9528934&forum_id=1927
for details.


As implied in thread in question the fatal failures [like "retry in 0 
ms" and failure to close disc/session at the end of recording] are 
indeed fixed in dvd+rw-tools 6.0. Remaining "appears to be stuck" are 
pure warnings, which can be safely ignored. growisofs normally attempts 
to hide them and shows them only when it appears abnormal from a 
viewpoint of cautious programmer such as myself. The last part means 
that if I at some point feel that it's 100% appropriate to just hide 
this warnings and that they add no value whatsoever to troubleshooting, 
I will just remove them. But till then you have to/can simply ignore them.



First, although the drive and media supposedly can do 16x, and
mediainfo says they can do 12x, and v 5 of dvd tools said 12x,


Maximum speed for particular media is between your firmware and media 
manufacturer and is beyond application control. In other words if 
dvd+rw-mediainfo says 12x is max, no application will make it run in 16x 
in *your* unit even if emballage says it's 16x.



this version says 6x is the speed. While slow and reliable is better than
fast and unreliable, I'd prefer fast and reliable :)  Also, it's not
apparent to me where the decision to go with 6x is getting made.


K3b sends -speed argument unconditionally and it apparently gets 
misinterpreted. This is apparently second similar report, so I'll have 
to look into it...



Second, one of the 2 successful burns showed this in the log
   1605632/4079517696 ( 0.0%) @0.0x, remaining 804:15 RBU 100.0%
:-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=310h, keep retrying in 94ms
   1605632/4079517696 ( 0.0%) @0.0x, remaining 931:14 RBU 100.0%

Both show a very slow startup, though I gather this may be normal.


Yes, it is normal.


I see the code is littered with special cases for Pioneer drives.  Are
they defective, or just weird?


Pioneer apparently adheres to Mt.Fuji specification, which slightly 
diverges from MMC specification, the one growisofs was originally coded 
after [and the one a lot of manufacturers adhere to]. Drives are not 
defective, rather "weird," but it's their conscious choice we have to 
simply deal with. This divergence between specifications is the very 
reason for fatal failure to close disk/session at the end of recording 
[as discussed at the end on 
http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/hcn.html]. As for fatal 
failure in the middle of recording with "retry in 0ms," this one is just 
a firmware bug [which appears in newer >8x drives as code was working 
flawlessly till they started to appear on the market]. A.



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