Re: [CentOS-virt] Bridge configuration on Xen 3.2+

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Yukio Yamaishi yukio.yamai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I'm using xen 3.0 on CentOS 5 with VLAN.
 
 #vconfig add eth0 100
 #/etc/xen/script/network-bridge start vifnum=1 netdev=eth0
 bridge=xenbr0.100
 
 I know that after xen 3.2 the procedure of bridge configuration is
 changed.
 What is the correct command to set bridge interface to vlan?

Add the VLAN interface to a bridge just for that VLAN traffic and then use that 
bridge for your guests.

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Re: [CentOS-es] Montar Disco Duro

2009-12-10 Thread Eduardo Grosclaude
2009/12/9 Gustavo Riego gustavo_ri...@tigo.com.py:
 Hola yo soy nuevo en Linux, siempre trabaje en Windows y ahora estoy
 queriendo aprender a utilizar Centos.

 Yo instale centos en un disco duro y ahora estoy queriendo agregar un disco
 duro de una maquina que tenia Linux Ubuntu y tiene mucha información que
 salvar, me podrían dar los pasos por favor para montar este disco duro en
 centos para que yo pueda copiar la información y luego formatear este disco.

1. Conectas el disco y enciendes el equipo
2. Ingresas al sistema CentOS como root
3. Averiguas cómo quedó denominado tu nuevo disco con el comando
fdisk -l. Cada disco aparece descripto por un bloque de información
parecida a esto:

Disk /dev/sda: 60.0 GB255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders,
60011642880 bytes
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *   13187255995467  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda231883200  104422+  83  Linux
/dev/sda332017264326440805  Extended
/dev/sda472657296  257040   88  Linux plaintext
/dev/sda53201726432644048+  8e  Linux LVM

Lo importante es ubicar qué nombre recibió el nuevo disco (/dev/sda,
/dev/sdb, etc.) y cómo se llama la partición que quieres montar
(/dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, etc.). Digamos que se llama /dev/sdb2 y que
es de tipo 83 Linux. Es *muy importante* que estés seguro de cuál es
la partición correcta.
4. Preparas un directorio para montar esa partición, donde quieras:
mkdir /disconuevo
5. Montas la partición diciendo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb2 /disconuevo
6. Ahora accedes a todos los archivos en ese sistema de archivos bajo
el directorio /disconuevo. Los archivos tendrán el mismo nombre que
antes pero con /disconuevo como prefijo. Copias todo lo que quieras
por ejemplo con cp -r /disconuevo/home/gustavo /root.
7. Una vez que has sacado todo lo que te interesaba, puedes desmontar
(umount /disconuevo) y darle formato (mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb2). El
filesystem desaparece y ya no están más los archivos.*Cuidado con
equivocarte aquí, ok?*
8. Para montar automáticamente esa partición al próximo arranque
agrega una línea al archivo /etc/fstab copiando por ejemplo la de
/boot. Podría quedar así:
/dev/sdb2 /disconuevo   ext3defaults0 0

El directorio /disconuevo ahora puede ser otro, con un nombre más cómodo.

Puedes repetir el proceso y montar así todas las demás particiones. Si
quieres destruir la tabla de particiones del nuevo disco para dejar
todo un solo bloque, puedes hacerlo con fdisk.

Repitamos una vez más que todo este proceso implica riesgos para tu
sistema si lo haces mal, así que *Cuidado con equivocarte, ok?*

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[CentOS-es] AYUDA PARA CREAR IMAGEN DE MI SERVIDOR

2009-12-10 Thread Jorge Herrera
HOLA LISTEROS, MI PREGUNTA ES SI EXISTE ALGÚN TIPO DE SOFTWARE PARA
RESPALDAR TODO MI SERVIDOR CENTOS EN IMAGENES ISO PARA PODER SACAR RESPALDOS
EN DVD, Y QUE SE CREE UN TIPO DE INSTALADOR CON TODOS LOS PAQUETES Q YO
TENGO INSTALADO, INCLUIDO LAS MODIFICACIONES QUE HE REALIZADO EN ALGUNOS
ARCHIVOS, Y MIS PROPIOS SCRIPTS.
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Re: [CentOS-es] AYUDA PARA CREAR IMAGEN DE MI SERVIDOR

2009-12-10 Thread Mario Ganga
Hola

   has probado ghost for linux (G4L) te dejo el link
http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/

Atte.
Mario Ganga Castro.


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 RESPALDAR TODO MI SERVIDOR CENTOS EN IMAGENES ISO PARA PODER SACAR RESPALDOS
 EN DVD, Y QUE SE CREE UN TIPO DE INSTALADOR CON TODOS LOS PAQUETES Q YO
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Re: [CentOS-es] Router en Linux con CentOS (Paúl V izuete)

2009-12-10 Thread Paúl Vizuete
podrias utilizar un router vyatta

www.vyatta.com/
http://blacklunaredes.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuracion-basica-de-vyatta.html

Saludos

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[CentOS-es] Red Hat Liberó a la comunidad su pro tocolo para escritorios virtuales

2009-12-10 Thread Juan Pablo Botero
El protocolo, llamado SPICE pasó a manos de Red Hat en 2008 con su
adquisición de su empresa creadora Qumranet.

Este tecnología es diseñada para escritorios que usan servidores remotos
para procesamiento de datos, SPICE mejora la experiencia del usuario
renderizando las aplicaciones de consumo de ancho de banda intensivo, como
VoIP y video.

La noticia mas completa esta en [1].

[1]:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222001376cid=RSSfeed_IWK_Allutm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

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Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con Iptables

2009-12-10 Thread Eduardo Grosclaude
2009/12/10 mauricio mauri...@efts.uo.edu.cu:
 Alguien me puede mandar algun ejemplo de reglas de iptables para hacer una
 pc como pcrouter.

Para hacer funcionar una PC Linux como router básicamente sólo hace
falta activar la función de forwarding (que no depende de iptables)...
pero hay muchas funciones que puedes implementar con iptables...
Deberías darnos un poco más de info sobre lo que quieres hacer, o bien
pasar antes por.

http://wiki.centos.org/es/HowTos/Network/IPTables

Y luego nos cuentas si te quedan dudas.

Una opción fácil para crear un router con políticas de acceso puede
ser quicktables (http://freshmeat.net/projects/quicktables), que te
pregunta en humano cuál va a ser tu política, y luego implementa un
script con las reglas de iptables convenientes. Luego puedes ver cómo
está hecho ese script, y modificarlo a gusto.


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[CentOS-es] Particionamiento en Linux

2009-12-10 Thread Rodrigo García
Buenas tardes, estoy haciendo pruebas y quería saber si varias versiones de
Linux cada una en una partición pueden compartir la partición Swap?

Además otra duda es si la instalación es con la partición cifrada, crea una
partición de arranque, esta partición también se puede compartir?

Más que nada por optimizar recursos.

Gracias a todos.

Un Saludo.

 Rodrigo García.

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Re: [CentOS-es] Montar Disco Duro

2009-12-10 Thread Ricardo Isaza
mount -t ext2/3 /dev/hda/sda /mnt/disconuevo

ext2/3 es para que escoja el formato y lo mismo pasa con /dev/hda/sda


El día 09/12/09, Gustavo Riego gustavo_ri...@tigo.com.py escribió:

  Hola yo soy nuevo en Linux, siempre trabaje en Windows y ahora estoy
 queriendo aprender a utilizar Centos.

 Yo instale centos en un disco duro y ahora estoy queriendo agregar un disco
 duro de una maquina que tenia Linux Ubuntu y tiene mucha información que
 salvar, me podrían dar los pasos por favor para montar este disco duro en
 centos para que yo pueda copiar la información y luego formatear este disco.

 Espero su respuesta

 Saludos

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Re: [CentOS-es] Router en Linux con CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread Ricardo Isaza
Tambien puedes buscar como balanceo de cargas te puedes encontrar con router
y marcado de paquetes

El día 09/12/09, Alvaro Schneider Guevara alvaro.schnei...@iguanae.com
escribió:

 Un saludo a todos.

 Me pregunto si es posible parametrizar un sistema CentOS para que enrute
 dos canales de Internet a lo largo de una LAN. Este _router_ tendría tres
 NIC, siendo eth0 y eth1 las conexiones externas y eth2 la conexión LAN que
 serviría de puerta de enlace para las estaciones de trabajo. El propósito es
 optimizar el ancho de banda uniendo ambos canales, y en caso de que algún
 canal falle, que los demás equipos no pierdan la conexión a Internet.

 ¿Es posible? ¿demasiado complicado?

 Buscando en la red encontre algo que podría estar cerca:
 http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html pero no estoy seguro de
 si es lo que necesito.

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Re: [CentOS-es] Router en Linux con CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread Victor Padro
2009/12/10 Ricardo Isaza sopo...@puntodered.com:
 Tambien puedes buscar como balanceo de cargas te puedes encontrar con router
 y marcado de paquetes

 El día 09/12/09, Alvaro Schneider Guevara alvaro.schnei...@iguanae.com
 escribió:

 Un saludo a todos.

 Me pregunto si es posible parametrizar un sistema CentOS para que enrute
 dos canales de Internet a lo largo de una LAN. Este _router_ tendría tres
 NIC, siendo eth0 y eth1 las conexiones externas y eth2 la conexión LAN que
 serviría de puerta de enlace para las estaciones de trabajo. El propósito es
 optimizar el ancho de banda uniendo ambos canales, y en caso de que algún
 canal falle, que los demás equipos no pierdan la conexión a Internet.

 ¿Es posible? ¿demasiado complicado?

 Buscando en la red encontre algo que podría estar cerca:
 http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html pero no estoy seguro de si
 es lo que necesito.

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Ya conteste en la lista de correo en ingles...

Pfsense, search no further ;-)

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Re: [CentOS-es] (sin asunto)

2009-12-10 Thread Eduardo Grosclaude
2009/12/10 O§many Oconnor ocon...@gera.uo.edu.cu:
 Saludos a todos.
 soy nuevo en los quehaceres de la administraci'on de CentOS y me
 gustaria contar con algunos documentos basicos, si me pudiera ayudar.
 por ahora estoy probando comandos que utilizaba en consolas de comandos
 y me gustar'ia contar con otros.

Puedes empezar por acá:
http://wiki.centos.org/es/Documentation

Los documentos completos de Red Hat en castellano están acá (se
aplican prácticamente sin cambios a CentOS):
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/es-ES/index.html

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Re: [CentOS-es] (sin asunto)

2009-12-10 Thread Matias Sardisco
2009/12/10 O§many Oconnor ocon...@gera.uo.edu.cu:
 Saludos a todos.
 soy nuevo en los quehaceres de la administraci'on de CentOS y me
 gustaria contar con algunos documentos basicos, si me pudiera ayudar.
 por ahora estoy probando comandos que utilizaba en consolas de comandos
 y me gustar'ia contar con otros.

 a todos muchas gracias


http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/top-linux-monitoring-tools.html
http://www.google.com/linux?hl=enq=comandos+linuxbtnG=Search
http://wiki.centos.org/

En una consola presiona dos veces TAB y te mostrara cientos de
comandos. Para saber mas sobre ellos: man comando. Para saber mas
sobre man: man man

En esta web hay disponible un libro completo sobre como instalar,
configurar y usar diferentes servicios sobre centos. Es el segundo de
la siguiente lista: http://www.alcancelibre.org/filemgmt/

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Re: [CentOS-es] (sin asunto)

2009-12-10 Thread Rafael Guillermo Dipré Peña
Ve a la pagina http://www.alcancelibre.org/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=1 para el
manual Implementacion de Servidores Linux CentOs

El 10 de diciembre de 2009 07:00, O§many Oconnor
ocon...@gera.uo.edu.cuescribió:

 Saludos a todos.
 soy nuevo en los quehaceres de la administraci'on de CentOS y me
 gustaria contar con algunos documentos basicos, si me pudiera ayudar.
 por ahora estoy probando comandos que utilizaba en consolas de comandos
 y me gustar'ia contar con otros.

 a todos muchas gracias

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Re: [CentOS-es] Montar Disco Duro

2009-12-10 Thread Rubén González


 También puedes usar un live CD de Ubuntu, Fedora o de la distribución que 
prefieras en cualquiera de los 2 computadores (el de Centos o el de Ubuntu) con 
los 2 discos instalados. Y desde allí pasas la información que quieres 
respaldar del un disco al otro mientras también navegas, haces búsquedas o 
revisas lo que esa distribución trae. Además puedes formatear el disco con 
Gparted (herramienta con funcionamiento similar a Partition Magic). Todo esto 
en modo gráfico, yo utilizo este método con relativa frecuencia porque no soy 
un experto en GNU/Linux y teniendo cuidado no se me han presentado 
inconvenientes, lo hago para reparticionar discos con NTFS y dejar espacio para 
instalar alguna GNU/Linux, incluso para revisar archivos de configuración de 
servidores y así aprendo cómo otros hicieron su trabajo o cuando he cometido 
algún error en alguna configuración y mi distribución no arranca, entonces me 
resulta fácil arreglarla desde el live CD.


mount -t ext2/3 /dev/hda/sda /mnt/disconuevo
 
ext2/3 es para que escoja el formato y lo mismo pasa con /dev/hda/sda 

 
El día 09/12/09, Gustavo Riego gustavo_ri...@tigo.com.py escribió: 



Hola yo soy nuevo en Linux, siempre trabaje en Windows y ahora estoy queriendo 
aprender a utilizar Centos.
Yo instale centos en un disco duro y ahora estoy queriendo agregar un disco 
duro de una maquina que tenia Linux Ubuntu y tiene mucha información que 
salvar, me podrían dar los pasos por favor para montar este disco duro en 
centos para que yo pueda copiar la información y luego formatear este disco.
Espero su respuesta
Saludos
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Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con Iptables

2009-12-10 Thread Raul Arboleda
Mira esta pagina y te ayudara mucho

http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/

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Alguien me puede mandar algun ejemplo de reglas de iptables para hacer una 
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Re: [CentOS] Is lsb 3.2+ detrimental to CentOS 5.4?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Hamblett
2009/12/10 MHR mhullr...@gmail.com

 I found out today that Google Chrome is now available for Linux.
 However, and this is a big but:

 $ sudo rpm -ivh google-chrome-beta_current_x86_64.rpm
 Password:
 warning: google-chrome-beta_current_x86_64.rpm: Header V3 DSA
 signature: NOKEY, key ID 7fac5991
 error: Failed dependencies:
lsb = 3.2 is needed by google-chrome-beta-4.0.249.30-33928.x86_64
xdg-utils is needed by google-chrome-beta-4.0.249.30-33928.x86_64
 $ yum list | grep -i lsb
 redhat-lsb.i3863.1-12.3.EL.el5.centos
  installed
 redhat-lsb.x86_64  3.1-12.3.EL.el5.centos
  installed

 I'm not that familiar with lsb, but from what I can find, it does not
 seem like it would be a good idea to install a more recent version of
 lsb than the official release, or am I way off base here?

 I can get xdg-utils easily enough, but it doesn't seem relevant if I
 can't use the newer lsb.

 So, is it possible to use lsb 3.2+ on CentOS 5.4 without breaking
 anything?  Is there anything else I'd need to do, other than convert
 to Fedora (not going to happen)?

 Thanks.

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I tried this yesterday on my 32 bit 5.4 box, installed xdg, removed lsb and
installed the F10 lsb which is 3.2 or higher. This alone doesn't seem to
break anything as such so I then installed the google-chrome-beta rpm. This
installed OK now but when I ran chrome I got this 'libexpat.so.1 not found'
5.4 has version 0.5.0 of this. I stopped here, it looks as though CentOS is
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Re: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread Sorin Srbu
From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of 
Alvaro Schneider Guevara
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:40 AM
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

 

Hello everybody.

I'm wondering here if is it possible to setup a CentOS machine as a router for 
two Internet connections in a LAN. This _router_ would work as the gateway for 
the workstations using DHCPD. The purpose of this is to optimize the broadband 
joining both connections, and given the case, do not lose the Internet access.



You’d be better off with  dedicated firewall-distro like, Smoothwall et al.

 

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[CentOS] ntp update version

2009-12-10 Thread Ron Yorston
I noticed that although I'd fetched the latest update to ntp from the
mirror it wasn't being installed.

It seems that the version numbers have got out of step.  According to
the changelog the update that was released in August should have had
the version number 4.2.0.a.20040617-8.el4_7.2, whereas in CentOS it's
actually 4.2.0.a.20040617-8.el4_8.2.

The changelog says the latest update is 4.2.0.a.20040617-8.el4_8.1,
which is what CentOS has, but that's a lower version than the August
update.

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Re: [CentOS] XFS and LVM2 (possibly in the scenario of snapshots)

2009-12-10 Thread Timo Schoeler
[off list]

 Thanks for your eMail, Ross. So, reading all the stuff here I'm really 
 concerned about moving all our data to such a system. The reason we're 
 moving is mainly, but not only the longisch fsck UFS (FreeBSD) needs 
 after a crash. XFS seemed to me to fit perfectly as I never had issues 
 with fsck here. However, this discussion seems to change my mindset. So, 
 what would be an alternative (if possible not using hardware RAID 
 controllers, as already mentioned)? ext3 is not, here we have long fsck 
 runs, too. Even ext4 seems not too good in this area...
 I thought 3ware would have been good. Their cards have been praised for 
 quite some time...have things changed? What about Adaptec?
 Well, for me the recommended LSI is okay as it's my favorite vendor, 
 too. I used to abandon Adaptec quite a while ago and my optinion was 
 confirmed when the OpenBSD vs. Adaptec discussion came up. However, the 
 question on the hardware RAID's vendor is totally independent from the 
 file system discussion.
 
 Oh yeah it is. If you use hardware raid, you do not need barriers and 
 can afford to turn it off for better performance or use LVM for that matter.

Hi, this ist off list: Could you please explain me the LVM vs. barrier 
thing?

AFAIU, one should turn off write caches on HDs (in any case), and -- if 
there's a BBU backed up RAID controller -- use this cache, but turn off 
barriers. When does LVM come into play here? Thanks in advance! :)

 I re-read XFS's FAQ on this issues, seems to me that we have to set up 
 two machines in the lab, one purely software RAID driven, and one with a 
 JBOD configured hardware RAID controller, and then benchmark and stress 
 testing the setup.
 
 JBOD? You plan to use software raid with that? Why?!

Mainly due to better manageability and monitoring. Honestly, all the 
proprietary tools are not the best.

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Re: [CentOS] ntp update version

2009-12-10 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Ron Yorston r...@tigress.co.uk wrote:
 I noticed that although I'd fetched the latest update to ntp from the
 mirror it wasn't being installed.

 It seems that the version numbers have got out of step.  According to
 the changelog the update that was released in August should have had
 the version number 4.2.0.a.20040617-8.el4_7.2, whereas in CentOS it's
 actually 4.2.0.a.20040617-8.el4_8.2.

 The changelog says the latest update is 4.2.0.a.20040617-8.el4_8.1,
 which is what CentOS has, but that's a lower version than the August
 update.

You may want to check upon this CentOS bug report:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4060

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Re: [CentOS] XFS and LVM2 (possibly in the scenario of snapshots)

2009-12-10 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Timo Schoeler wrote:
 [off list]

   
 Thanks for your eMail, Ross. So, reading all the stuff here I'm really 
 concerned about moving all our data to such a system. The reason we're 
 moving is mainly, but not only the longisch fsck UFS (FreeBSD) needs 
 after a crash. XFS seemed to me to fit perfectly as I never had issues 
 with fsck here. However, this discussion seems to change my mindset. So, 
 what would be an alternative (if possible not using hardware RAID 
 controllers, as already mentioned)? ext3 is not, here we have long fsck 
 runs, too. Even ext4 seems not too good in this area...
   
 I thought 3ware would have been good. Their cards have been praised for 
 quite some time...have things changed? What about Adaptec?
 
 Well, for me the recommended LSI is okay as it's my favorite vendor, 
 too. I used to abandon Adaptec quite a while ago and my optinion was 
 confirmed when the OpenBSD vs. Adaptec discussion came up. However, the 
 question on the hardware RAID's vendor is totally independent from the 
 file system discussion.
   
 Oh yeah it is. If you use hardware raid, you do not need barriers and 
 can afford to turn it off for better performance or use LVM for that matter.
 

 Hi, this ist off list: Could you please explain me the LVM vs. barrier 
 thing?

 AFAIU, one should turn off write caches on HDs (in any case), and -- if 
 there's a BBU backed up RAID controller -- use this cache, but turn off 
 barriers. When does LVM come into play here? Thanks in advance! :)

   

No, barriers are specifically to allow you to turn on write caches on 
HDs and not lose data. Before barriers, fsync/fsyncdata lied. They would 
return before data hit the platters. With barriers, fsync/fsyncdata will 
return only after data hit the platters.

However, the dm layer does not support barriers so you need to turn 
write caches off if you care about data with lvm and you have no bbu 
cache to use.

If you use a hardware raid card with bbu cache, you can use lvm without 
worrying and if not using lvm, you can (should in the case of XFS) turn 
off barriers.
 I re-read XFS's FAQ on this issues, seems to me that we have to set up 
 two machines in the lab, one purely software RAID driven, and one with a 
 JBOD configured hardware RAID controller, and then benchmark and stress 
 testing the setup.
   
 JBOD? You plan to use software raid with that? Why?!
 

 Mainly due to better manageability and monitoring. Honestly, all the 
 proprietary tools are not the best.
   

3dm2 for 3ware was pretty decent whether http or cli...
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Re: [CentOS] find latest version of rpms from a mirror

2009-12-10 Thread John Doe
From: john blair mailtome200420032...@yahoo.com
 I want to write a script to find the latest version of rpm of a given package 
 available from a mirror for eg: 
 http://mirror.centos.org/centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS/
 Is there any existing script that does this? Or can someone give me a general 
 idea on how to go about this?

Example:

  URL='http://mirror.centos.org/centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS/'
  PKG=...
  links -dump $URL | grep $URL$PKG-[0-9] | cut -f2 -d' '

Replace with 'cut -d'/' -f9' if you don't want the full URL...

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[CentOS] Quagga ECMP

2009-12-10 Thread Cristian Carstea

Hello,

does anybody know if quagga for CentOS 5.3 is compiled with 
-enable-multipath?
I want to implement ECMP over 2 ISP.

Thanks,
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[CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz
I don't see how to do it.

I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it, 
copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file' 
profile setting.


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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Rick Barnes
On 12/10/2009 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I don't see how to do it.

 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it,
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file'
 profile setting.

man script
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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread John R. Dennison
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 08:05:06AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I don't see how to do it.
 
 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it, 
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.
 
 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file' 
 profile setting.

Would script take care of it for you?




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Re: [CentOS] Quagga ECMP

2009-12-10 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Cristian Carstea c...@crisnet.ro wrote:

 Hello,

 does anybody know if quagga for CentOS 5.3 is compiled with
 -enable-multipath?
 I want to implement ECMP over 2 ISP.


You can look in the /boot/config-* files. Those are the configs that
it was built with.  In my 5.4 system:

[r...@xm-c32-001 boot]# grep -i multipath config-2.6.18-128.2.1.el5xen
CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH=y
# CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED is not set
CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_EMC=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_RDAC=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_HP=m
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Re: [CentOS] XFS and LVM2 (possibly in the scenario of snapshots)

2009-12-10 Thread Ross Walker
On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:28 AM, Timo Schoeler  
timo.schoe...@riscworks.net wrote:

 [off list]

 Thanks for your eMail, Ross. So, reading all the stuff here I'm  
 really
 concerned about moving all our data to such a system. The reason  
 we're
 moving is mainly, but not only the longisch fsck UFS (FreeBSD)  
 needs
 after a crash. XFS seemed to me to fit perfectly as I never had  
 issues
 with fsck here. However, this discussion seems to change my  
 mindset. So,
 what would be an alternative (if possible not using hardware RAID
 controllers, as already mentioned)? ext3 is not, here we have  
 long fsck
 runs, too. Even ext4 seems not too good in this area...
 I thought 3ware would have been good. Their cards have been  
 praised for
 quite some time...have things changed? What about Adaptec?
 Well, for me the recommended LSI is okay as it's my favorite vendor,
 too. I used to abandon Adaptec quite a while ago and my optinion was
 confirmed when the OpenBSD vs. Adaptec discussion came up.  
 However, the
 question on the hardware RAID's vendor is totally independent from  
 the
 file system discussion.

 Oh yeah it is. If you use hardware raid, you do not need barriers and
 can afford to turn it off for better performance or use LVM for  
 that matter.

 Hi, this ist off list: Could you please explain me the LVM vs. barrier
 thing?

 AFAIU, one should turn off write caches on HDs (in any case), and --  
 if
 there's a BBU backed up RAID controller -- use this cache, but turn  
 off
 barriers. When does LVM come into play here? Thanks in advance! :)

LVM like md raid and drbd is a layered block device and
If you turn the wire caches off on the HDs then there is no problem,  
but HDs aren't designed to perform to spec with the write cache  
disabled they expect important data is written with FUA access (forced  
unit access), so performance will be terrible.




 I re-read XFS's FAQ on this issues, seems to me that we have to  
 set up
 two machines in the lab, one purely software RAID driven, and one  
 with a
 JBOD configured hardware RAID controller, and then benchmark and  
 stress
 testing the setup.

 JBOD? You plan to use software raid with that? Why?!

 Mainly due to better manageability and monitoring. Honestly, all the
 proprietary tools are not the best.

 Timo
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[CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Matt
I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
possible or must I reinstall?

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[CentOS] Virtualization Howto

2009-12-10 Thread Matt
I see this virtualization howto for Ubuntu

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall

It goes into how to make your own cloud.  Is there a similiar howto
anywhere for CentOS 5.4 or anything?

Matt
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Re: [CentOS] Virtualization Howto

2009-12-10 Thread Neil Aggarwal
Matt:

 It goes into how to make your own cloud.  Is there a similiar howto
 anywhere for CentOS 5.4 or anything?

Does the RHEL Virtualization Guide help?
http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.4/html/Virtualiz
ation_Guide/index.html

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Re: [CentOS] XFS and LVM2 (possibly in the scenario of snapshots)

2009-12-10 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Mathieu Baudier wrote:
 LVM like md raid and drbd is a layered block device and
 If you turn the wire caches off on the HDs then there is no problem,
 but HDs aren't designed to perform to spec with the write cache
 disabled they expect important data is written with FUA access (forced
 unit access), so performance will be terrible.
 

 I hope that I'm not going too much off topic here, but I'm getting
 worried not to be sure to understand, especially when it has to do
 with data safety:

 Considering a stack of:
 - ext3
 - on top of LVM2
 - on top of software RAID1
 - on top of regular SATA disks (no hardware RAID)
 is it safe to have the HD cache enabled?

 (Note: ext3, not XFS, hence the possible off-topic...)
   

Nothing is safe once device-mapper is involved.

 In other words, is this discussion about barriers, etc. only relevant to XFS?

No, it applies to all filesystems. Prior to barriers, fsync/fsyncdata 
lies. See the man page for fsync.
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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread James Bensley
You will have to reinstall because if you add two more 500GB drives to make
your set up into a three drive horse, you then need to format each drive
and synchronise them together creating the new logical RAID volume so no
data can be kept on said disks prior to the creation of the RAID.

HTH!

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Re: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread Victor Padro
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
 From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
 Of Alvaro Schneider Guevara
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:40 AM
 To: centos@centos.org
 Subject: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS



 Hello everybody.

 I'm wondering here if is it possible to setup a CentOS machine as a router
 for two Internet connections in a LAN. This _router_ would work as the
 gateway for the workstations using DHCPD. The purpose of this is to optimize
 the broadband joining both connections, and given the case, do not lose
 the Internet access.

 You’d be better off with  dedicated firewall-distro like, Smoothwall et al.



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Another Vote for Pfse3nse, the best router7firewall distro around,
well just my opinion.

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Re: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread KJS
Victor Padro wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
   
 From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
 Of Alvaro Schneider Guevara
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:40 AM
 To: centos@centos.org
 Subject: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS



 Hello everybody.

 I'm wondering here if is it possible to setup a CentOS machine as a router
 for two Internet connections in a LAN. This _router_ would work as the
 gateway for the workstations using DHCPD. The purpose of this is to optimize
 the broadband joining both connections, and given the case, do not lose
 the Internet access.

 You’d be better off with  dedicated firewall-distro like, Smoothwall et al.



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 Another Vote for Pfse3nse, the best router7firewall distro around,
 well just my opinion.

 Cheers,

   
PFSense or IPCop, IPCop is a little easier to configure IMO.


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Re: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread Alan McKay
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Victor Padro vpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another Vote for Pfse3nse, the best router7firewall distro around,
 well just my opinion.

One caveat is hardware support.   I assume because it is FreeBSD and not Linux

About a month or two ago I decided to go out and google for firewall
distros.  I made a short list which include pfSense, IPCop, and one
other.   My first choice was pfSense so I tried it first - and did not
get very far.

The PC I tried it on is about 5 years old, but had 1GB RAM, big enough
HD and so on.   I could not get pfSense to even install on it and
decided not even to put any effort into it so I moved right on to IP
Cop which installed without a catch.

The irony is that I have a just about identical piece of hardware
which runs my firewall right now.  It is running a fairly old FreeBSD
distro with no issues.  It seems it is the newer FreeBSD that has
issues, either that or the particulars of how pfSense slices and dices
FreeBSD.

Of course this is only 1 datapoint.  I'd at least recommend trying it
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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Caudill
Rick Barnes wrote:
 On 12/10/2009 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I don't see how to do it.

 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it,
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file'
 profile setting.
 
 man script

Hi all. I'm new on this list but I think this might help. If you start 
screen first, enable logging (default ^a H) then run telnet and your 
commands, it will create a screenlog.X (where X is the screen number) 
file. Mileage may vary depending on how the data is being output to the 
terminal but it's worth s try.

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[CentOS] CUPS designjet 500

2009-12-10 Thread Alejandro Rodriguez Luna
Hi everyone!!

Does someone have configured a plotter HP designjet 500?, 
what driver did you use?, 
or what did you do?

I'm using centos 5.4
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Re: [CentOS] Quagga ECMP

2009-12-10 Thread Cristian Carstea
yes, that's right, but i am asking here about Quagga, which is a routing 
software (OSPF, BGP etc.), not about kernel multipath, i mean if Quagga 
is compiled with Equal Cost MultiPath (ECMP), the -enable-multipath 
compile option. Can someone post here the spec file from which quagga 
rpm was built for CentOS? Thanks. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:42 AM, 
Cristian Carstea c...@crisnet.ro wrote:




 Hello,

 does anybody know if quagga for CentOS 5.3 is compiled with
 -enable-multipath?
 I want to implement ECMP over 2 ISP.

  


You can look in the /boot/config-* files. Those are the configs that
it was built with.  In my 5.4 system:

[r...@xm-c32-001 boot]# grep -i multipath config-2.6.18-128.2.1.el5xen
CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH=y
# CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED is not set
CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_EMC=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_RDAC=m
CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_HP=m


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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:39:25 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org 
wrote:

 
 I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
 about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
 without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
 possible or must I reinstall?

If you can install 4 drives, eg you have 4 bays and 4 SATA connections,
yes, it is easy.  Just install the three new drives (to SATA port 2, 3,
and 4), create the RAID-5 array (actually you'll need one small RAID-1
array for /boot, so you'll create two RAID sets: a small RAID-1 for
/boot and the rest for the RAID-5) and copy everything over.  You'll
need to re-install grub (using grub-install) and then shutdown the
machine and move the drive connectors around so that the new drives are
1, 2, and 3, and the old drive is 4 (or remove it completely), and
start the machine up.  You can then add the original drive as a hot
spare disk (or not).

 
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[CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread Bob McConnell
I have recently been told I will have to maintain some CentOS servers at 
work. Since I have only been using Slackware for the last 16 years, I 
decided to install CentOS on one of my servers at home to get an idea of 
the differences. I installed CentOS 5.4 from CD with no problems, did a 
yum update, set up a couple of samba shares and started to copy over 
some files from one of my other servers.

Everything looks ok, but I keep seeing this message on the active 
console. I have no idea where it comes from nor what it means.

type=1400 audit(1260446462.444:9): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=2200
comm=smbd path=/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc dev=binfmt_misc ino=4348
scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0
tcontext=system_u:object_r:binfmt_misc_fs_t:s0 tclass=dir

What is it, what is triggering it and how do I fix it?

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread Benjamin Franz
Bob McConnell wrote:
 [...]
 Everything looks ok, but I keep seeing this message on the active 
 console. I have no idea where it comes from nor what it means.

 type=1400 audit(1260446462.444:9): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=2200
 comm=smbd path=/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc dev=binfmt_misc ino=4348
 scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0
 tcontext=system_u:object_r:binfmt_misc_fs_t:s0 tclass=dir

   

It's selinux.

See 
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Deployment_Guide-en-US/ch-selinux.html

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Re: [CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread m . roth
 I have recently been told I will have to maintain some CentOS servers at
 work. Since I have only been using Slackware for the last 16 years, I
 decided to install CentOS on one of my servers at home to get an idea of
 the differences. I installed CentOS 5.4 from CD with no problems, did a
 yum update, set up a couple of samba shares and started to copy over
 some files from one of my other servers.

 Everything looks ok, but I keep seeing this message on the active
 console. I have no idea where it comes from nor what it means.

 type=1400 audit(1260446462.444:9): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=2200
 comm=smbd path=/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc dev=binfmt_misc ino=4348
 scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0
 tcontext=system_u:object_r:binfmt_misc_fs_t:s0 tclass=dir

 What is it, what is triggering it and how do I fix it?

selinux.

For your machine at home, you may want to just turn it off; if you really
want to see what might be going on at work, set it to permissive, which
will let it all happen, but gripe.

setenforce 0
turns it off.
Edit /etc/selinux/config to fix it over reboots.

Also look at /var/log/audit/audit.log. It will get the error, and tell you
to run sealert to see what the error's complaining about.

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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
Rick Barnes wrote:
 On 12/10/2009 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I don't see how to do it.

 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it,
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file'
 profile setting.
 
 man script

That saves the whole session and is sometimes useful.  But, usually with 
command 
line programs you would just redirect the individual command's output to a file 
with ' filename' on the command line, or pipe through tee '|tee filename' if 
you want to see it at the same time.

Also, the terminal windows have a fairly big scroll-back buffer which you can 
increase with edit/profile so if you do decide to copy something after it 
happens you don't have to stop while it is still showing.

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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Alan McKay
Google say no to RAID 5

http://baarf.com/

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/RAID-5-Doomed-2009,6525.html





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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Thursday 10 December 2009, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
 about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
 without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
 possible or must I reinstall?


In theory you can create a 3-drive RAID-5 with a missing drive, rsync your 
filesystems over, and then repartition and force the existing drive to 
rebuild in. 

You can't boot off a RAID-5, so you'll need to put /boot on a separate 
partition, also preferably raid-1'd on at least 2 of the drives.

It's not terribly hard but it's possibly to mess up and nuke your good drive 
before you're ready, so you should have a full backup on yet another drive 
anyway, and if you have that you might as well just build up a new system 
on the 3 drives and then restore your old filesystems over it.

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Re: [CentOS] Quagga ECMP

2009-12-10 Thread Gavin Carr
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 07:23:06PM +0200, Cristian Carstea wrote:
 yes, that's right, but i am asking here about Quagga, which is a
 routing software (OSPF, BGP etc.), not about kernel multipath, i
 mean if Quagga is compiled with Equal Cost MultiPath (ECMP), the
 -enable-multipath compile option. Can someone post here the spec
 file from which quagga rpm was built for CentOS? Thanks. On Thu, Dec
 10, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Cristian Carstea c...@crisnet.ro wrote:
 
 
  Hello,
 
  does anybody know if quagga for CentOS 5.3 is compiled with
  -enable-multipath?
  I want to implement ECMP over 2 ISP.

Looks like it. Spec file configure on my i386 box is:

+ ./configure --build=i686-redhat-linux-gnu --host=i686-redhat-linux-gnu 
--target=i386-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --prefix=/usr 
--exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin 
--sysconfdir=/etc/quagga --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include 
--libdir=/usr/lib/quagga --libexecdir=/usr/libexec/quagga 
--localstatedir=/var/run/quagga --sharedstatedir=/usr/com 
--mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-ipv6 
--enable-multipath=64 --enable-nssa --enable-opaque-lsa --enable-ospf-te 
--enable-vtysh --enable-ospfclient=yes --enable-ospfapi=yes --with-libpam 
--enable-user=quagga --enable-group=quagga --enable-vty-group=quaggavt 
--enable-rtadv --enable-netlink

which matches the configure options at the top of the spec file:

# configure options
%define with_snmp   0
%define with_vtysh  1
%define with_ospf_te1
%define with_nssa   1
%define with_opaque_lsa 1
%define with_tcp_zebra  0
%define with_pam1
%define with_ipv6   1
%define with_ospfclient 1
%define with_ospfapi1
%define with_rtadv  1
%define with_multipath  64
%define quagga_uid  92
%define quagga_gid  92
%define quagga_user quagga
%define vty_group   quaggavt
%define vty_gid 85

Cheers,
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[CentOS] poweredge 1950 hangs at starting udev

2009-12-10 Thread Ryan Pugatch
Hi all,

I have a PowerEdge 1950 that was acting weird.  Network connectivity was 
only performing at a quarter of what was expected (if that).  Even if I 
scp'd something to localhost it would perform poorly.  Rather than fight 
with it, I just decided to reload it.  It was running 5.3, and it is now 
running 5.4.  However, when I go to boot it gets stuck at starting udev. 
  If I let it sit long enough it will then give me errors with something 
along the lines of:

Dazed and confused, but trying to continue
Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 00
Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled?

Wondering if anyone has an idea..





Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread Bob McConnell
Benjamin Franz wrote:
 Bob McConnell wrote:
 [...]
 Everything looks ok, but I keep seeing this message on the active 
 console. I have no idea where it comes from nor what it means.

 type=1400 audit(1260446462.444:9): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=2200
 comm=smbd path=/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc dev=binfmt_misc ino=4348
 scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0
 tcontext=system_u:object_r:binfmt_misc_fs_t:s0 tclass=dir

   
 
 It's selinux.
 

Thank you for that link. Looks like I have some reading to do. I do know 
they have it enabled on the production servers I will be duplicating, so 
I'll have to figure out whether we need it on the development and test 
servers or not.

I also have a problem with syslogd. I added '-r' to SYSLOGD_OPTIONS in 
/etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog, but after a restart it still won't accept 
network traffic, and that flag doesn't show up in the command line in 
the 'ps ax' dump. What do I have to do to enable traffic into syslogd 
from my firewall and other servers?

This machine will be replacing an older Slackware 7 server once I get 
the wrinkles worked out.

Thank you,

Bob McConnell
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Re: [CentOS] poweredge 1950 hangs at starting udev

2009-12-10 Thread nate
Ryan Pugatch wrote:

 Wondering if anyone has an idea..

Run hardware diagnostics?

Check power management settings in the bios?

nate

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[CentOS] ntop from rpmforge

2009-12-10 Thread Ausmus, Matt
I don't know why I haven't signed up for this list before since we use
CentOS all over the place.  The list is very useful and it is good for
me to participate and give back to the community.

 

Anywho, I wanted to post this response to a thread that was created back
in November 2008 about the ntop daemon failing to start.  I'm currently
setting up ntop as a NetFlow  SFlow collector and came across the
issue.  A quick refresher, the init script for ntop has an issue where
it can't parse the ntop.conf file correctly if switches are entered
before the @/etc/ntop.conf.  The suggested work around was to move the
-d -L switches from in front of the @/etc/ntop.conf and put them
behind it.  This is definitely the fix.  There is a caveat to that and I
haven't found anyone that has mentioned it so I thought I would.
According to the documentation, if you add the switches after the
@/etc/ntop.conf those will override the configurations in the
ntop.conf file.  While this isn't an issue with the -d option, if you
decide to use a custom syslog level and add it to the conf file, the
-L switch after the conf file will override your custom log facility.
In my init file I left the -d but removed the -L expecting me to put
my own syslog entry in the conf file.

 



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Re: [CentOS] XFS and LVM2 (possibly in the scenario of snapshots)

2009-12-10 Thread Rob Kampen

Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:

Mathieu Baudier wrote:
  

LVM like md raid and drbd is a layered block device and
If you turn the wire caches off on the HDs then there is no problem,
but HDs aren't designed to perform to spec with the write cache
disabled they expect important data is written with FUA access (forced
unit access), so performance will be terrible.

  

I hope that I'm not going too much off topic here, but I'm getting
worried not to be sure to understand, especially when it has to do
with data safety:

Considering a stack of:
- ext3
- on top of LVM2
- on top of software RAID1
- on top of regular SATA disks (no hardware RAID)
is it safe to have the HD cache enabled?

(Note: ext3, not XFS, hence the possible off-topic...)
  



Nothing is safe once device-mapper is involved.

  

In other words, is this discussion about barriers, etc. only relevant to XFS?



No, it applies to all filesystems. Prior to barriers, fsync/fsyncdata 
lies. See the man page for fsync.
  
No mention of barriers in the man page, I'm also getting confused. is 
device mapper used for software raid - i.e. /dev/mdX?
If so what are the implications of barriers and where are they turned on 
/ off?
Forgive me for potential off topic, but I too run xfs on lvm which uses 
mapper...risky??

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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread nate
Alan McKay wrote:
 Google say no to RAID 5

 http://baarf.com/

 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/RAID-5-Doomed-2009,6525.html


Say goodbye to whole-disk based RAID solutions and hello to
next generation sub-disk RAID solutions, dramatically
extending the real world lifetime of RAID 5(and RAID 6 which
will become equally useless as RAID 5 is when drives get
big enough).

http://www.xiotech.com/Products-and-Services_ISE.aspx
http://www.3par.com/products/inspire_architecture.html#fgv
http://www.compellent.com/Products/Software/Virtualization.aspx

(maybe more that I'm not aware of those are off the top of my
head)

http://www.techopsguys.com/2009/11/24/81000-raid-arrays/

nate


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Re: [CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread Tony Molloy
On Thursday 10 December 2009 17:28:45 Bob McConnell wrote:
 I have recently been told I will have to maintain some CentOS servers at
 work. Since I have only been using Slackware for the last 16 years, I
 decided to install CentOS on one of my servers at home to get an idea of
 the differences. I installed CentOS 5.4 from CD with no problems, did a
 yum update, set up a couple of samba shares and started to copy over
 some files from one of my other servers.

 Everything looks ok, but I keep seeing this message on the active
 console. I have no idea where it comes from nor what it means.

 type=1400 audit(1260446462.444:9): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=2200
 comm=smbd path=/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc dev=binfmt_misc ino=4348
 scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0
 tcontext=system_u:object_r:binfmt_misc_fs_t:s0 tclass=dir

 What is it, what is triggering it and how do I fix it?


It's a selinux denial. Selinux is permissive/enforcing on the system.

# sestatus

will tell you which.

It's got something to do with samba comm=smbd
trying to access the file path=/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc Don't know why it 
would want to do that.

Try this

# sealert -b

This will dispaly all the AVC's graphically. Look for one from smbd.  This 
will give you the full AVC and possibly suggest a way to fix it.

Tony



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Re: [CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread Benjamin Franz
Bob McConnell wrote:
 I also have a problem with syslogd. I added '-r' to SYSLOGD_OPTIONS in 
 /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog, but after a restart it still won't accept 
 network traffic, and that flag doesn't show up in the command line in 
 the 'ps ax' dump. What do I have to do to enable traffic into syslogd 
 from my firewall and other servers?

You need to edit /etc/sysconfig/syslog

That is a general pattern for CentOS5 - look for options to be set in a 
file in the /etc/sysconfig directory.

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Re: [CentOS] Unable to share directory via Samba?

2009-12-10 Thread James Bensley
Thanks for all the input everyone,

Basically I trashed the smb.conf and the folder I wanted to share, restarted
the machine, re-wrote the smb.conf  (again) and re-made the directory and
set permissions etc, restarted the machine and all is well!

Thanks all for your input it has helped me write an improved smb.conf on my
original attempt!

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Re: [CentOS] ntop from rpmforge

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Huff


On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Ausmus, Matt wrote:

Anywho, I wanted to post this response to a thread that was created  
back in November 2008 about the ntop daemon failing to start.  I’m  
currently setting up ntop as a NetFlow  SFlow collector and came  
across the issue.  A quick refresher, the init script for ntop has  
an issue where it can’t parse the ntop.conf file correctly if  
switches are entered before the “@/etc/ntop.conf”.  The suggested  
work around was to move the “-d –L” switches from in front of the “@/ 
etc/ntop.conf” and put them behind it.  This is definitely the fix.   
There is a caveat to that and I haven’t found anyone that has  
mentioned it so I thought I would.  According to the documentation,  
if you add the switches after the “@/etc/ntop.conf” those will  
override the configurations in the ntop.conf file.  While this isn’t  
an issue with the “-d” option, if you decide to use a custom syslog  
level and add it to the conf file, the “-L” switch after the conf  
file will override your custom log facility.  In my init file I left  
the “-d” but removed the “-L” expecting me to put my own syslog  
entry in the conf file.



thanks for the report!  the appropriate place to report such issues is  
the RPMforge users' list, us...@lists.rpmforge.net.


i've committed a fix; once the package is rebuilt, it should appear in  
the repository.


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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Morten Torstensen
On 05.12.2009 18:15, Miguel Medalha wrote:
 And, as of CentOS 5.4, xfs is now enabled in the kernel, so
 no need for any external kernel module. But yes, this is available for
 x86_64 only

 ... a decision that many people have trouble at understanding!

XFS is not stable on 32-bit systems. You should not use it there. You 
need a 64-bit kernel.

Default for servers should be 64-bit now anyway. Not many reasons left 
for a 32-bit system, and more and more 3. party applications have less 
and less support for 32-bit platforms in general.

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Morten Torstensen
On 05.12.2009 22:04, John R Pierce wrote:
 that same OS/2 JFS was backported to AIX as JFS2, I believe.

When JFS was implemented on OS/2 it was based on JFS on AIX. After that, 
JFS for Linux and JFS2 was based on the same code. Not sure I would say 
backported, but there you go

There are many differences between JFS and JFS2 on AIX and the latter is 
better in many ways... more tuning and support for shrinking.

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Morten Torstensen
On 08.12.2009 13:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
 Speaking for me (on Linux systems) on top of LVM on top of md. On IRIX
 as it was intended.

 That is a disaster combination for XFS even now. You mentioned some
 pretty hefty hardware in your other post...

If XFS doesn't play well with LVM, how can it even be an option? I 
couldn't live without LVM...

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Miguel Medalha

 XFS is not stable on 32-bit systems. You should not use it there. You 
 need a 64-bit kernel.

 Default for servers should be 64-bit now anyway. Not many reasons left 
 for a 32-bit system, and more and more 3. party applications have less 
 and less support for 32-bit platforms in general.
   

That is for you rich people :-) Not everyone can afford the latest and 
greatest server hardware. There are tons of older servers out there. I 
still manage some servers with only 2GB of RAM and some of their 
motherboards accept a *maximum* of 4GB. Those precious few GB are better 
used with a 32bit OS, don't you agree?

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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Mark Caudill wrote:
 Rick Barnes wrote:
   
 On 12/10/2009 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 
 I don't see how to do it.

 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it,
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file'
 profile setting.
   
 man script
 

 Hi all. I'm new on this list but I think this might help. If you start 
 screen first, enable logging (default ^a H) then run telnet and your 
 commands, 

This sounds like what I am looking for, where is it documented?

 it will create a screenlog.X (where X is the screen number) 
 file. Mileage may vary depending on how the data is being output to the 
 terminal but it's worth s try.

   
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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Les Mikesell wrote:
 Rick Barnes wrote:
   
 On 12/10/2009 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 
 I don't see how to do it.

 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it,
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file'
 profile setting.
   
 man script
 

 That saves the whole session and is sometimes useful.  But, usually with 
 command 
 line programs you would just redirect the individual command's output to a 
 file 
 with ' filename' on the command line, or pipe through tee '|tee filename' if 
 you want to see it at the same time.
   

I use that a lot, but it doesn't work for telnet.

 Also, the terminal windows have a fairly big scroll-back buffer which you can 
 increase with edit/profile so if you do decide to copy something after it 
 happens you don't have to stop while it is still showing.

This last case it was ~4000 lines worth, the default is 500. And I did 
not know it was that much until I started dealing with the debug dump.


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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
Miguel Medalha wrote:
 XFS is not stable on 32-bit systems. You should not use it there. You 
 need a 64-bit kernel.

 Default for servers should be 64-bit now anyway. Not many reasons left 
 for a 32-bit system, and more and more 3. party applications have less 
 and less support for 32-bit platforms in general.
   
 
 That is for you rich people :-) Not everyone can afford the latest and 
 greatest server hardware. There are tons of older servers out there. I 
 still manage some servers with only 2GB of RAM and some of their 
 motherboards accept a *maximum* of 4GB. Those precious few GB are better 
 used with a 32bit OS, don't you agree?

If they do what you want without making you wait, why even consider changing 
the 
filesystem that has been working for years on these machines?

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Miguel Medalha

 If they do what you want without making you wait, why even consider changing 
 the 
 filesystem that has been working for years on these machines?
   

Adding new, bigger disks and new filesystems? Wanting these to be the 
fastest that is reasonably possible?
As for the system that arose the question (again) for me, I've decided 
to make it ext3, wait for a while as ext4 matures, and convert it later.
This interesting possibility made me decide for ext3 (again).
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Re: [CentOS] Screen capture in Terminal

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Caudill
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 Mark Caudill wrote:
 Rick Barnes wrote:
   
 On 12/10/2009 08:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 
 I don't see how to do it.

 I had to telnet into a firewall and run a trace, and I had to stop it,
 copy and paste to gedit, then start again, etc.

 I find it interesting, and sad, that there is no easy 'output to file'
 profile setting.
   
 man script
 
 Hi all. I'm new on this list but I think this might help. If you start 
 screen first, enable logging (default ^a H) then run telnet and your 
 commands, 
 
 This sounds like what I am looking for, where is it documented?

Mainly in man screen. Just do this though (this will work if you have a 
stock install and no custom .screenrc):
1) yum install screen   # Install screen
2) screen   # Start screen
3) Press Ctrl-a then H  # This starts logging the current window (should 
be 0)
4) telnet firewall  # Log in to your firewall
5) Ctrl-a H again   # Run this once you're done on the firewall to 
close the log
6) exit # Exits screen
7) less screenlog.0 # View your screenlog.

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[CentOS] .htaccess and ?

2009-12-10 Thread centos
Hi,

I'm trying to write .htaccess Rewrite rules and it doesn't seem to
work for me:

Match the string between the domain and the question mark: ?

http://www.abc.com/blog:long-name-of-page?action=diff and I want to
redirect it to: http://www.abc.com/blog:long-name-of-page

Any suggestion?

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Re: [CentOS] .htaccess and ?

2009-12-10 Thread James Bensley
You might have to enable re-writes in you Apache conf? Or did I imagine that???

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
Miguel Medalha wrote:
 If they do what you want without making you wait, why even consider changing 
 the 
 filesystem that has been working for years on these machines?
   
 
 Adding new, bigger disks and new filesystems? Wanting these to be the 
 fastest that is reasonably possible?
 As for the system that arose the question (again) for me, I've decided 
 to make it ext3, wait for a while as ext4 matures, and convert it later.
 This interesting possibility made me decide for ext3 (again).

The only thing that can make filesystems fast is buffering in RAM so you'd 
probably want to match up that increase in disk space with lots more RAM, 
especially if you use a filesystem that needs it for the improvements it claims.

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[CentOS] raid10, centos 4.x

2009-12-10 Thread John R Pierce
I just created a 4 drive mdadm --level=raid10 on a centos 4.8-ish system 
here, and shortly thereafter remembreed I hadn't updated it in a while, 
so i ran yum update...

while installing/updating stuff, got these errors:

  Installing: kernel   ### 
[14/69]
raid level raid10 (in /proc/mdstat) not recognized
...
  Installing: kernel-smp   ### 
[19/69]
raid level raid10 (in /proc/mdstat) not recognized


is this a problem?   the raid10 'seems' to work





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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Thomas Harold
On 12/10/2009 10:39 AM, Matt wrote:
 I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
 about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
 without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
 possible or must I reinstall?

Moving to RAID-1 is going to be fairly easy.  Moving to RAID-5 or RAID-6 
will be a good bit trickier.

You're going to want a good bare-metal backup (maybe Mondo Rescue 
http://www.mondorescue.org/) before you get started.

Then your basic process is going to be:

- make sure that mdadm is loading
- partition the new 500GB disks similar to the old disk
- build mdadm raid1 arrays on the new 500GB disk (with 1 drive missing)
- copy your files over (cp -a)
- make sure grub is on the new disk
- change your fstab on the new disk to mount the arrays (/dev/mdX) 
instead of the partitions (/dev/sdaX)
- remove the old disk and see if you can boot up on the new one

I'm sure I'm forgetting something, just remember that you'll want to 
make lots and lots of backups (on a 3rd and 4th disk).  And be ready to 
rebuild or restore from the bare-metal backup if you screw up.
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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Matt
 I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
 about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
 without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
 possible or must I reinstall?

 Moving to RAID-1 is going to be fairly easy.  Moving to RAID-5 or RAID-6
 will be a good bit trickier.

The more I hear I am thinking moving to RAID-1 would be fine.  Is
there a basic howto somewhere for that?

Thanks.

Matt
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Re: [CentOS] An error message I don't recognize

2009-12-10 Thread Bob McConnell
Benjamin Franz wrote:
 Bob McConnell wrote:
 I also have a problem with syslogd. I added '-r' to SYSLOGD_OPTIONS in 
 /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog, but after a restart it still won't accept 
 network traffic, and that flag doesn't show up in the command line in 
 the 'ps ax' dump. What do I have to do to enable traffic into syslogd 
 from my firewall and other servers?
 
 You need to edit /etc/sysconfig/syslog
 
 That is a general pattern for CentOS5 - look for options to be set in a 
 file in the /etc/sysconfig directory.
 

Thank you, I am now getting log records over the network.

Bob McConnell
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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
Matt wrote:
 I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
 about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
 without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
 possible or must I reinstall?
 Moving to RAID-1 is going to be fairly easy.  Moving to RAID-5 or RAID-6
 will be a good bit trickier.
 
 The more I hear I am thinking moving to RAID-1 would be fine.  Is
 there a basic howto somewhere for that?

I've seen a howto about converting an existing disk, but I'd do it by creating 
matching RAID1 partitions with one of the devices 'missing', then copying the 
existing data over, installing grub on the new disk, then swapping drives.  
Once 
you are sure the new copy is good you can add the old partitions to the raid 
devices and let them sync up.  If your grub install turns out wrong you can 
always boot the install disk in rescue mode to fix it.

On a second thought, I'd probably install Centos 5.x on the new disk, then copy 
the old stuff back.  It's pretty late in the cycle to spend much time fixing a 
4.x system.

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Re: [CentOS] Migrating to RAID

2009-12-10 Thread Matt
 I have CentOS 4.x installed on a single 500GB SATA drive.  Drive is
 about 10 percent used.  I would like to migrate to software RAID 5
 without reinstalling the OS.  Was thinking 3 500GB drives.  Is that
 possible or must I reinstall?
 Moving to RAID-1 is going to be fairly easy.  Moving to RAID-5 or RAID-6
 will be a good bit trickier.

 The more I hear I am thinking moving to RAID-1 would be fine.  Is
 there a basic howto somewhere for that?

 I've seen a howto about converting an existing disk, but I'd do it by creating
 matching RAID1 partitions with one of the devices 'missing', then copying the
 existing data over, installing grub on the new disk, then swapping drives.  
 Once
 you are sure the new copy is good you can add the old partitions to the raid
 devices and let them sync up.  If your grub install turns out wrong you can
 always boot the install disk in rescue mode to fix it.

 On a second thought, I'd probably install Centos 5.x on the new disk, then 
 copy
 the old stuff back.  It's pretty late in the cycle to spend much time fixing a
 4.x system.

I am thinking that way too.  Even though everything is running
perfectly fine on 32bit 4.x right now moving too 64bit 5.x would be
much better.  Was thinking upgrading to RAID1 would let me wait and do
that at my leisure though.  Reinstalling and moving all this too 5.x
is no small task though.  Yuk.

Matt
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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher Chan
Morten Torstensen wrote:
 On 08.12.2009 13:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
 Speaking for me (on Linux systems) on top of LVM on top of md. On IRIX
 as it was intended.

 That is a disaster combination for XFS even now. You mentioned some
 pretty hefty hardware in your other post...
 
 If XFS doesn't play well with LVM, how can it even be an option? I 
 couldn't live without LVM...
 

I meant it in the sense of data guarantee. XFS has a major history of 
losing data unless used with hardware raid cards that have a bbu cache. 
That changed when XFS got barrier support.

However, anything on LVM be it ext3, ext4 or XFS that has barrier 
support will not be able to use barriers because device-mapper does not 
support barriers and therefore, if you use LVM, it better be on a 
hardware raid array where the card has bbu cache.
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Re: [CentOS] XFS and LVM2 (possibly in the scenario of snapshots)

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher Chan

 No mention of barriers in the man page, I'm also getting confused. is 
 device mapper used for software raid - i.e. /dev/mdX?

Nope. Software raid is the md layer. Nothing to do with dm. Two separate 
layers although they share a bit of stuff.

 If so what are the implications of barriers and where are they turned on 
 / off?

Barriers allow one to ensure true fsync/fsyncdata when used with hard 
disks that have their write cache enabled. This is not talking about 
hard drives connected to hardware raid controllers which is a different 
ball game.

 Forgive me for potential off topic, but I too run xfs on lvm which uses 
 mapper...risky??

IF you are not using hardware raid with bbu cache and of course, if you 
have disabled the write caches on the hard drives connected to the raid 
via the raid controller.
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Re: [CentOS] raid10, centos 4.x

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher Chan
John R Pierce wrote:
 I just created a 4 drive mdadm --level=raid10 on a centos 4.8-ish system 
 here, and shortly thereafter remembreed I hadn't updated it in a while, 
 so i ran yum update...
 
 while installing/updating stuff, got these errors:
 
   Installing: kernel   ### 
 [14/69]
 raid level raid10 (in /proc/mdstat) not recognized
 ...
   Installing: kernel-smp   ### 
 [19/69]
 raid level raid10 (in /proc/mdstat) not recognized
 
 
 is this a problem?   the raid10 'seems' to work
 

If anaconda is doing the update here, I guess it is because anaconda in 
4.x does not have raid10 personality support. The raid10 personality is 
NOT the same as nested raid1+0. It is an entirely new module from Neil 
Brown that has a poor choice of a name imho. It does things very 
differently from what you expect from a nested raid1+0 array.
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Re: [CentOS] raid10, centos 4.x

2009-12-10 Thread John R Pierce
Christopher Chan wrote:
 If anaconda is doing the update here, I guess it is because anaconda in 
 4.x does not have raid10 personality support. The raid10 personality is 
 NOT the same as nested raid1+0. It is an entirely new module from Neil 
 Brown that has a poor choice of a name imho. It does things very 
 differently from what you expect from a nested raid1+0 array.
   

the update was a simple `yum update`

differently how?I expect to be striping two mirrors, all munged into 
one unit, without generating intermediate MD devices which has always 
seemed messy to me.

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Caudill
Christopher Chan wrote:
 Morten Torstensen wrote:
 On 08.12.2009 13:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
 Speaking for me (on Linux systems) on top of LVM on top of md. On IRIX
 as it was intended.

 That is a disaster combination for XFS even now. You mentioned some
 pretty hefty hardware in your other post...
 If XFS doesn't play well with LVM, how can it even be an option? I 
 couldn't live without LVM...

 
 I meant it in the sense of data guarantee. XFS has a major history of 
 losing data unless used with hardware raid cards that have a bbu cache. 
 That changed when XFS got barrier support.
 
 However, anything on LVM be it ext3, ext4 or XFS that has barrier 
 support will not be able to use barriers because device-mapper does not 
 support barriers and therefore, if you use LVM, it better be on a 
 hardware raid array where the card has bbu cache.

Wait, just to be clear, are you saying that all use of LVM is a bad idea 
unless on hardware RAID? That's bad it if it's true since it seems to me 
that most modern distros like to use LVM by default. Am I missing something?

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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread John R Pierce
Mark Caudill wrote:
 Wait, just to be clear, are you saying that all use of LVM is a bad idea 
 unless on hardware RAID? That's bad it if it's true since it seems to me 
 that most modern distros like to use LVM by default. Am I missing something?
   

if LVM is ignoring write barriers, its not a good idea on hardware raid, 
either, at least not for applications that rely on committed writes, 
like transactional databases.


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Re: [CentOS] raid10, centos 4.x

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher Chan
John R Pierce wrote:
 Christopher Chan wrote:
 If anaconda is doing the update here, I guess it is because anaconda in 
 4.x does not have raid10 personality support. The raid10 personality is 
 NOT the same as nested raid1+0. It is an entirely new module from Neil 
 Brown that has a poor choice of a name imho. It does things very 
 differently from what you expect from a nested raid1+0 array.
   
 
 the update was a simple `yum update`
 
 differently how?I expect to be striping two mirrors, all munged into 
 one unit, without generating intermediate MD devices which has always 
 seemed messy to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10
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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher Chan
John R Pierce wrote:
 Mark Caudill wrote:
 Wait, just to be clear, are you saying that all use of LVM is a bad idea 
 unless on hardware RAID? That's bad it if it's true since it seems to me 
 that most modern distros like to use LVM by default. Am I missing something?
   
 
 if LVM is ignoring write barriers, its not a good idea on hardware raid, 
 either, at least not for applications that rely on committed writes, 
 like transactional databases.
 

Write barriers are for the case of getting a data guarantee with hard 
disks connected via sata/scsi that have their write caches enabled.

Hardware raid + bbu cache change that game. LVM on hardware raid is safe 
due to the bbu cache (with write caches on connected hard drives set to off)
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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Christopher Chan
Mark Caudill wrote:
 Christopher Chan wrote:
 Morten Torstensen wrote:
 On 08.12.2009 13:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
 Speaking for me (on Linux systems) on top of LVM on top of md. On IRIX
 as it was intended.

 That is a disaster combination for XFS even now. You mentioned some
 pretty hefty hardware in your other post...
 If XFS doesn't play well with LVM, how can it even be an option? I 
 couldn't live without LVM...

 I meant it in the sense of data guarantee. XFS has a major history of 
 losing data unless used with hardware raid cards that have a bbu cache. 
 That changed when XFS got barrier support.

 However, anything on LVM be it ext3, ext4 or XFS that has barrier 
 support will not be able to use barriers because device-mapper does not 
 support barriers and therefore, if you use LVM, it better be on a 
 hardware raid array where the card has bbu cache.
 
 Wait, just to be clear, are you saying that all use of LVM is a bad idea 
 unless on hardware RAID? That's bad it if it's true since it seems to me 
 that most modern distros like to use LVM by default. Am I missing something?
 

Yes, the Linux kernel has long been criticized for a fake 
fsync/fsyncdata implementation. At the latest, since 2001. Unless you 
had your hard drive caches turned off, you were at risk of losing data 
no matter what you used: ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, jfs, whether on lvm 
or not.

Write barriers were introduced to give data guarantees with hard drives 
that have their write cache enabled. Unfortunately, not everything has 
been given barrier support. LVM and JFS do not have write barrier support.

So it is use LVM but turn off write caches on disks (painfully slow) or 
do not use LVM and use a filesystem with write barrier support and 
enable write caches on disks.

Hardware raid with bbu caches were introduced to provide speed and data 
guarantees. The other option would be to use software raid, disable 
write caching, use a bbu nvram stick and use ext3 with data=journal.
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Re: [CentOS] Is ext4 safe for a production server?

2009-12-10 Thread Ross Walker
On Dec 10, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Mark Caudill mar...@codelulz.com wrote:

 Christopher Chan wrote:
 Morten Torstensen wrote:
 On 08.12.2009 13:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
 Speaking for me (on Linux systems) on top of LVM on top of md.  
 On IRIX
 as it was intended.

 That is a disaster combination for XFS even now. You mentioned some
 pretty hefty hardware in your other post...
 If XFS doesn't play well with LVM, how can it even be an option? I
 couldn't live without LVM...


 I meant it in the sense of data guarantee. XFS has a major history of
 losing data unless used with hardware raid cards that have a bbu  
 cache.
 That changed when XFS got barrier support.

 However, anything on LVM be it ext3, ext4 or XFS that has barrier
 support will not be able to use barriers because device-mapper does  
 not
 support barriers and therefore, if you use LVM, it better be on a
 hardware raid array where the card has bbu cache.

 Wait, just to be clear, are you saying that all use of LVM is a bad  
 idea
 unless on hardware RAID? That's bad it if it's true since it seems  
 to me
 that most modern distros like to use LVM by default. Am I missing  
 something?

If you use a leading edge distro then they will most likely be using a  
LVM version with barrier support as it was implemented as of  
2.6.29-2.6.30+.

It should be backported by the next release of CentOS hopefully.

-Ross
  
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Re: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

2009-12-10 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
Behalf
Of KJS
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Linux router with CentOS

PFSense or IPCop, IPCop is a little easier to configure IMO.

Is IPCop the one that is so similar to Smoothwall, and also able to share
mods?
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