Re: [CentOS] system shutdown - turning off quotas takes a long time

2010-08-12 Thread Eero Volotinen
2010/8/12 Götz Reinicke - IT Koordinator :
> Hi,
>
> recently I had to instal a new raid storage system for our central
> fileserver. It is connected by iscsi (1Gbit) and the fielsystems mounted
> are 400GB and 1TB and ext3. curretly about 400 GB are used by 1.5 Mio files.
>
> I turned quota on and did a quota check.
>
> BUT on reboot the system crashes/hangs during 'turning off quotas'

How about turning quota off manually, does it work ok?

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Re: [CentOS] system shutdown - turning off quotas takes a long time

2010-08-12 Thread Götz Reinicke - IT-Koordinator
Am 12.08.10 09:06, schrieb Eero Volotinen:
> 2010/8/12 Götz Reinicke - IT Koordinator :
>> Hi,
>>
>> recently I had to instal a new raid storage system for our central
>> fileserver. It is connected by iscsi (1Gbit) and the fielsystems mounted
>> are 400GB and 1TB and ext3. curretly about 400 GB are used by 1.5 Mio files.
>>
>> I turned quota on and did a quota check.
>>
>> BUT on reboot the system crashes/hangs during 'turning off quotas'
> 
> How about turning quota off manually, does it work ok?

Hi,

I have to addmit, that I did not checked that yet, but was thinking
about doing that.

The situation is, that this is our production fielserver and our
employees would have killed me, if there was more delay ...

I try to open an other support timeslot and try this.

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Re: [CentOS] DHCP problem with virtual interfaces

2010-08-12 Thread Simone Caldana
Il giorno 11/ago/2010, alle ore 20.31, Simone Caldana ha scritto:
> 
> I am collecting port 67 traffic on the dhcp server since this afternoon. I 
> hope to be able to find out more.

further testing revealed that dhclient really asks for the wrong ip (but always 
sends the client-identifier), and this is due to the poisoned leases file. I am 
now using /dev/null as leases file for all the virtual dhclients, but I wonder 
if this disables the entire "keep the old lease" system (which I don't really 
need) or it simply stays only in memory, which won't really solve the problem.


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[CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Fajar Priyanto
Hi guys,
I don't mean to incite debate or something, just want to share
experience and a little curiosity.

Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
thing happened for years and it was fine ^^

Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
sectors.

Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware issue?
What's your experience?

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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Juergen Gotteswinter
Hi,

ext3 is very reliable, i never had such issues (fsck after a power 
failure, yes... but no data loss). so i whould say its a hardware issue.

Greetings

On 08/12/2010 10:55 AM, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I don't mean to incite debate or something, just want to share
> experience and a little curiosity.
>
> Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
> no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
> when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
> thing happened for years and it was fine ^^
>
> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
> sectors.
>
> Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware issue?
> What's your experience?
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Eero Volotinen
2010/8/12 Fajar Priyanto :
> Hi guys,
> I don't mean to incite debate or something, just want to share
> experience and a little curiosity.
>
> Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
> no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
> when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
> thing happened for years and it was fine ^^
>
> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
> sectors.
>
> Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware issue?
> What's your experience?

I think it is broken hardware, due to bad sectors.

Maybe your harddisk is broken or soon breaking up.. check output from
smartctl ..

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Re: [CentOS] ATI mobility Radeon HD 5470

2010-08-12 Thread John Doe
From: sync 
> I try  to use that version  but  it does not work ...
> Fatal : Module fglrx not found ..

Did you check if the module is present somewhere?

JD


  
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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread John Doe
From: Fajar Priyanto 

> Back long time ago, we have  an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
> no admin was available to manage  it, the server would get power off
> when the office closed, and auto power on  again in the morning. That
> thing happened for years and it was fine  ^^
> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got  power
> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also  bad
> sectors.
> Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware  issue?
> What's your experience?

I am pretty sure bad sectors = corruption.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_sector

JD


  
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[CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
We have a local time server and all of our machines are pointed at it for the
time.

How can the clock drift by a day and a half?

[r...@devserver21 ~]# date
Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
[r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
[r...@devserver21 ~]# date
Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
[r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$
restrict default nomodify notrap noquery
restrict 127.0.0.1
server 192.168.1.67
server 192.168.1.66
server 192.168.1.65
server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
broadcastdelay  0.008
keys/etc/ntp/keys


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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Simon Billis
Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:

> We have a local time server and all of our machines are pointed at it
> for the time.
> 
> How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
> 
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$
> restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server
> 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
> server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
> fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
> driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
> broadcastdelay  0.008
> keys/etc/ntp/keys
> 
>

Hi,

It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted forward in time if ntpd
was running. Have a look at the logs /var/log/messages it should contain the
ntpd log messages which will help you determine what happened to the time.
Also check that ntpd is running with:

"service ntpd status" and also "chkconfig ntpd --list" will show the startup
position of ntpd


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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Simon Billis
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:36
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd
> 
> Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:
> 
> > We have a local time server and all of our machines are 
> pointed at it 
> > for the time.
> > 
> > How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
> > 
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> > Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> > Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ 
> > restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server
> > 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
> > server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
> > fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
> > driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
> > broadcastdelay  0.008
> > keys/etc/ntp/keys
> > 
> >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted forward 
> in time if ntpd was running. Have a look at the logs 
> /var/log/messages it should contain the ntpd log messages 

[r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ntpd /var/log/messages

Jul 28 20:34:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 3
Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:08:11 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 3
Jul 28 21:24:58 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 3
Jul 28 21:41:26 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.67, stratum 3
Jul 28 21:42:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
Jul 28 21:42:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:42:34 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:43:37 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:44:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:45:44 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:46:45 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:47:50 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:48:55 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:49:57 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:50:59 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:52:03 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:53:05 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:54:06 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:55:10 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:56:13 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:57:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:58:20 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 21:59:23 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:00:28 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:01:32 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:02:35 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:03:38 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:04:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:05:44 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:06:49 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:07:53 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:08:57 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:10:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:11:03 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:12:07 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:13:13 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:14:17 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:15:11 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 3
Jul 28 22:31:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
Jul 28 22:31:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
tolerance 500 PPM
Jul 28 22:31:59 devserver21 n

[CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Tom Brown
Hi

I have a process that creates 'some data' and outputs this to standard
out and i want to shift this data over ssh to a remote box without
ever writing anything locally. I have been experimenting with tar to
create the archive as the i dont know what the contents of 'some data'
might be so i just need to capture it and output it on the other side.

I have been trying with

$ tar czf - . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 "tar xzf -"

and this works fine to create an archive of this '.' directory and
pipe that over to the other side but i want to take standard out
so

$ tar czf - `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q
192.168.122.2 "tar xzf -"

Would that work or is there a better way to get this over to the other
side? It needs to be a data stream though so things like scp and rsync
are no good and i need to know what the command is on the remote side
being run so that i can restrict this in the ssh public key on the
remote side.

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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Simon Billis
Hi,

> > Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:
> >
> > > We have a local time server and all of our machines are
> > pointed at it
> > > for the time.
> > >
> > > How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
> > >
> > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> > > Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
> > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
> > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> > > Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
> > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$
> > > restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server
> > > 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
> > > server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
> > > fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
> > > driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
> > > broadcastdelay  0.008
> > > keys/etc/ntp/keys
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted forward
> > in time if ntpd was running. Have a look at the logs
> > /var/log/messages it should contain the ntpd log messages
> 
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ntpd /var/log/messages
> 
/SNIP
> Jul 29 17:47:24 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0),
> stratum 10
> Aug 12 22:48:29 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: sendto(192.168.1.66): Operation
> not
> permitted
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# uptime
>  08:10:19 up 164 days,  9:56,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.54, 0.81
> [r...@devserver21 ~]#

What happened between July 29 and now? Is there nothing in the logs for that
period?

Rgds

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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Simon Billis
Hi,

> > Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:
> >
> > > We have a local time server and all of our machines are
> > pointed at it
> > > for the time.
> > >
> > > How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
> >
/SNIP
> > It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted forward
> > in time if ntpd was running. Have a look at the logs
> > /var/log/messages it should contain the ntpd log messages
> 
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ntpd /var/log/messages
> 
> Jul 28 20:34:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65,
> stratum 3
> Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0),
> stratum 10
> Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM
> exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM

This indicates the hardware clock frequency error exceeds the rate the
kernel can correct. This could be a hardware or a kernel problem.

/SNIP
> Jul 28 23:06:05 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: time reset +0.554019 s
> Jul 28 23:10:14 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0),
> stratum 10
> Jul 28 23:17:36 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.67,
> stratum 3
> Jul 28 23:20:46 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66,
> stratum 3
> Jul 28 23:22:52 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65,
> stratum 3
> Jul 28 23:33:28 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65,
> stratum 3
> Jul 28 23:34:37 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: time reset -0.866445 s
/SNIP
> Jul 29 00:42:44 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: time reset -0.922073 s
/SNIP
> Jul 29 10:50:57 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: time reset -1.638135 s
/SNIP
> Jul 29 15:59:17 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: time reset -1.599691 s
/SNIP

The above lines show that the time on the server was gaining slightly - but
this could be caused by the stratum 3 server losing time slightly due to
loading issues perhaps or by a hardware fault locally


> Aug 12 22:48:29 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: sendto(192.168.1.66): Operation
> not
> permitted

I suspect that you have a firewall in place that is blocking the outgoing
connections from this point.

Rgds

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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Simon Billis
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:14
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > > Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:
> > >
> > > > We have a local time server and all of our machines are
> > > pointed at it
> > > > for the time.
> > > >
> > > > How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
> > > >
> > > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> > > > Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
> > > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
> > > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> > > > Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
> > > > [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | 
> grep -v ^$ 
> > > > restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 
> 127.0.0.1 server
> > > > 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
> > > > server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
> > > > fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
> > > > driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
> > > > broadcastdelay  0.008
> > > > keys/etc/ntp/keys
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted 
> forward in time 
> > > if ntpd was running. Have a look at the logs /var/log/messages it 
> > > should contain the ntpd log messages
> > 
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ntpd /var/log/messages 
> /SNIP
> > Jul 29 17:47:24 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), 
> > stratum 10 Aug 12 22:48:29 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: 
> > sendto(192.168.1.66): Operation not permitted
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# uptime
> >  08:10:19 up 164 days,  9:56,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.54, 
> > 0.81
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]#
> 
> What happened between July 29 and now? Is there nothing in 
> the logs for that period?
> 

Nothing of note, I do have full logs from those days...
[r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ' 00:00:.. devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67
0:30:67:0:cf:fd' /var/log/messages
Jul 26 00:00:37 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Jul 27 00:00:47 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Jul 28 00:00:44 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Jul 29 00:00:41 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Jul 30 00:00:08 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Jul 31 00:00:08 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  1 00:00:14 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  2 00:00:22 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  3 00:00:11 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  4 00:00:58 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  5 00:00:06 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  6 00:00:06 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  7 00:00:03 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  8 00:00:43 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug  9 00:00:16 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug 10 00:00:08 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug 11 00:00:34 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug 12 00:00:19 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
Aug 13 00:00:20 devserver21 arpwatch: bogon 192.168.1.67 0:30:67:0:cf:fd
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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Tom Brown wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have a process that creates 'some data' and outputs this to standard
> out and i want to shift this data over ssh to a remote box without
> ever writing anything locally. I have been experimenting with tar to
> create the archive as the i dont know what the contents of 'some data'
> might be so i just need to capture it and output it on the other side.
> 
> I have been trying with
> 
> $ tar czf - . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 "tar xzf -"
> 
> and this works fine to create an archive of this '.' directory and
> pipe that over to the other side but i want to take standard out
> so
> 
> $ tar czf - `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q
> 192.168.122.2 "tar xzf -"
> 
> Would that work or is there a better way to get this over to the other
> side? It needs to be a data stream though so things like scp and rsync
> are no good and i need to know what the command is on the remote side
> being run so that i can restrict this in the ssh public key on the
> remote side.
> 

Why do you need any other process involved to work with a data stream?  If you 
want to collect it to a remote file, you can  | ssh remotehost 'cat > 
path_to_file'.  Just be sure to quote the redirection so it happens on the 
remote side.

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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 08/12/2010 01:55 AM, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I don't mean to incite debate or something, just want to share
> experience and a little curiosity.
>
> Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
> no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
> when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
> thing happened for years and it was fine ^^
>
> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
> sectors.
>
> Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware issue?
> What's your experience?
>

I would say 'luck'. No common system is normally 100% safe against 'pull 
the plug' shutdowns. Also, it matters how much disk I/O the system is 
doing. A system that is idle will tolerate 'pull the plug' better than 
one actually doing something. Additionally, powering up and powering 
down is the hardest thing you can do to the *hardware*. Servers should 
be let run 7/24 - they last longer. Finally, if power failures are 
taking the machine down, buy a UPS and connect the monitoring cable. I 
like APC UPSs and apcupsd for monitoring it and automatically shutting 
the system if needed.

You can improve ext3's resistance to corruption quite a bit if you use 
the 'journal=data,barrier=1' mount options. Barriers is actually one of 
the few cases where software RAID or LVM hurts you - they don't honor 
barriers (at least not in CentOS/RHEL - newer kernels have improved this 
somewhat). If you are using a hardware RAID card with onboard cache - 
make **SURE** it has battery backup installed, too, or else turn off the 
cache completely. If you are using LVM/software RAID you will also need 
to turn off the hard drives *own* write caches as well.  And yes - you 
are going to take some serious performance hits from doing all this. You 
are trading performance for reliability in the face of power failures. 
And use ext4 instead of ext3 (ext4 adds journal checksumming) if you can.

Here is an article discussing making linux disk I/O safer: 
http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7773/

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[CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Daniel Bruno
Hello,

Someone can indicate some Ethernet device Quad 10/100 to use with CentOS 5.x?


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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Jerry Franz
On 08/12/2010 05:56 AM, Daniel Bruno wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Someone can indicate some Ethernet device Quad 10/100 to use with CentOS 5.x?
>

I don't know about 10/100. For 10/100/1000 I use Intel quad port boards. 
They work fine.

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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Juergen Gotteswinter
We have several Quads in use, Myricom & Intel. Bot work well, the 
Myricoms are cheaper.

On 08/12/2010 02:56 PM, Daniel Bruno wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Someone can indicate some Ethernet device Quad 10/100 to use with CentOS 5.x?
>
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Jerry Franz
On 08/12/2010 05:33 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Why do you need any other process involved to work with a data stream?  If you
> want to collect it to a remote file, you can  | ssh remotehost 'cat>
> path_to_file'.  Just be sure to quote the redirection so it happens on the
> remote side.
>
>

At a guess it's the compression he is after. Over a slow link it could 
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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Todd Denniston
Jason Pyeron wrote, On 08/12/2010 08:01 AM:
>  
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
>> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Simon Billis
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:36
>> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd
>>
>> Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:
>>
>>> We have a local time server and all of our machines are 
>> pointed at it 
>>> for the time.
>>>
>>> How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
>>>
>>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
>>> Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
>>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
>>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
>>> Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
>>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ 
>>> restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server
>>> 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
>>> server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
>>> fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
>>> driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
>>> broadcastdelay  0.008
>>> keys/etc/ntp/keys
>>>
>>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted forward 
>> in time if ntpd was running. Have a look at the logs 
>> /var/log/messages it should contain the ntpd log messages 
> 
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ntpd /var/log/messages
> 
> Jul 28 20:34:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 21:08:11 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 28 21:24:58 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 28 21:41:26 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.67, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 28 21:42:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Jul 28 21:42:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 21:42:34 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 21:43:37 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM

> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 22:12:07 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 22:13:13 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 22:14:17 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM
> Jul 28 22:15:11 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 28 22:31:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Jul 28 22:31:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds
> tolerance 500 PPM

> Jul 29 15:14:01 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Jul 29 15:26:05 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 29 15:59:17 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: time reset -1.599691 s
> Jul 29 16:03:31 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Jul 29 16:05:38 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.67, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 29 16:08:46 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 29 16:11:55 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 
> 3

> Jul 29 17:23:57 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.67, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 29 17:24:59 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Jul 29 17:30:46 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 
> 3
> Jul 29 17:47:24 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10
> Aug 12 22:48:29 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: sendto(192.168.1.66): Operation not
> permitted
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# uptime
>  08:10:19 up 164 days,  9:56,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.54, 0.81
> [r...@devserver21 ~]#

Assumption: this is not from any kind of virtual machine.
Assumption: Your local time server is NOT a GPS with an ovenized crystal or 
even a cell phone time
source, i.e. NOT very stable.
Assumption: the time servers that you are following (192.168.1.6[57]) are:
a) each following the same timeserver(s), or at least have one in 
common.
b) peering with one another
c) following time servers that are reasonably stable.
Assumption: the time farm is on real, non busy (an old cisco router serving as 
the internet
connection to 1000+ computers does not qualify as non busy), hardware and is 
configured to archive
maxpoll 10 or higher.

one problem that you have is that your timeserver farm (192.168.1.6[57]) is 
occasionally loosing its
servers, i.e. we see "synchronized to LOCAL(0)" occasionally, which should not 
happen with a well
configured time farm for hours to days, not minutes.

the second problem is that a machine which is not intended to be a time server 
is configured with a
local clock with a stratum better than 15.

suggestion 1: 65 should have local clock at stratum 13, 66 and 67 should have 

Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Jerry Franz  wrote:
> On 08/12/2010 05:56 AM, Daniel Bruno wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Someone can indicate some Ethernet device Quad 10/100 to use with CentOS 5.x?
>>
>
> I don't know about 10/100. For 10/100/1000 I use Intel quad port boards.
> They work fine.
>
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but it could be relevant.
As matter of interest, do these cards offer lower throughput than 4x
single 1GB cards?


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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:55:29 +0800 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Hi guys,
> I don't mean to incite debate or something, just want to share
> experience and a little curiosity.
> 
> Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
> no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
> when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
> thing happened for years and it was fine ^^
> 
> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
> sectors.
> 
> Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware issue?
> What's your experience?

We (way back when while I was working at UMass) bought two Gateway
desktop boxes (identical machines with identical Quantum SCSI disks). 
One got MS-Windows NT 4 installed on it, the other RedHat Linux. 
Within a month the RedHat box reported disk errors (nothing totally
fatal, just bad sector I/O).  We had the disk replaced with a Seagate
SCSI disk and the machine was happy for years.  Not a peep out of the
NT box for like 7 months, then it basically died due to disk failure. 
We *suspected* that the disk probably was having trouble all along, but
NT was totally 'oblivious' to the errors...

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:11:21 +0100 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Hi
> 
> I have a process that creates 'some data' and outputs this to standard
> out and i want to shift this data over ssh to a remote box without
> ever writing anything locally. I have been experimenting with tar to
> create the archive as the i dont know what the contents of 'some data'
> might be so i just need to capture it and output it on the other side.
> 
> I have been trying with
> 
> $ tar czf - . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 "tar xzf -"
> 
> and this works fine to create an archive of this '.' directory and
> pipe that over to the other side but i want to take standard out
> so
> 
> $ tar czf - `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q
> 192.168.122.2 "tar xzf -"
> 
> Would that work or is there a better way to get this over to the other
> side? It needs to be a data stream though so things like scp and rsync
> are no good and i need to know what the command is on the remote side
> being run so that i can restrict this in the ssh public key on the
> remote side.

Why not just do

`the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd 
of=somethin


eg

find . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd of=find.out

You don't need tar for anything.

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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Jerry Franz
On 08/12/2010 06:06 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Jerry Franz  wrote:
>
>> On 08/12/2010 05:56 AM, Daniel Bruno wrote:
>>  
>>> Someone can indicate some Ethernet device Quad 10/100 to use with CentOS 5.x
>> I don't know about 10/100. For 10/100/1000 I use Intel quad port boards.
>> They work fine.
>>  
>
>
> Sorry to hijack this thread, but it could be relevant.
> As matter of interest, do these cards offer lower throughput than 4x
> single 1GB cards?
>
>

Depends mostly on if you are using PCI/PCI-X vs PCI-express. At high bit 
rates you can saturate the old PCI bus. A single gigabit port can pretty 
much saturate a 32-bit PCI bus at 33MHz.

PCI-express can go a lot faster.

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:05:25 -0700 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> On 08/12/2010 05:33 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > Why do you need any other process involved to work with a data stream?  If 
> > you
> > want to collect it to a remote file, you can  | ssh remotehost 'cat>
> > path_to_file'.  Just be sure to quote the redirection so it happens on the
> > remote side.
> >
> >
> 
> At a guess it's the compression he is after. Over a slow link it could 
> make a substantial difference.

Just add gzip (or bzip2) to the pipeline:

program | bzip2 | ssh -q remote-host 'bunzip2 | remote-program'

> 

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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Michel van Deventer
> On 08/12/2010 06:06 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Jerry Franz  wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/12/2010 05:56 AM, Daniel Bruno wrote:
>>>
 Someone can indicate some Ethernet device Quad 10/100 to use with
 CentOS 5.x
>>> I don't know about 10/100. For 10/100/1000 I use Intel quad port
>>> boards.
>>> They work fine.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to hijack this thread, but it could be relevant.
>> As matter of interest, do these cards offer lower throughput than 4x
>> single 1GB cards?
If you should use them in a PCI slot yes, not if you use them in a PCI-X
or PCI-e slot (although you could saturate a PCI-e x1 with 4 gbit ports I
think).

>>
>>
>
> Depends mostly on if you are using PCI/PCI-X vs PCI-express. At high bit
> rates you can saturate the old PCI bus. A single gigabit port can pretty
> much saturate a 32-bit PCI bus at 33MHz.
>
> PCI-express can go a lot faster.
The Intel Quad cards don't fit (and don't then) in a single PCI slot.
The Intel Dual Gbit cards do and you can saturate a PCI slot with it quite
easy :)

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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Alexander Dalloz
>> As matter of interest, do these cards offer lower throughput than 4x
>> single 1GB cards?

> Depends mostly on if you are using PCI/PCI-X vs PCI-express. At high bit
> rates you can saturate the old PCI bus. A single gigabit port can pretty
> much saturate a 32-bit PCI bus at 33MHz.
>
> PCI-express can go a lot faster.

> Benjamin Franz

And on current multi CPU / multi core plattforms care to have support for
MSI-X on the motherboard and by the Ethernet controller (for 10Gbe and
virtualization this is even a must to gain maximum performance).

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Todd Denniston
Robert Heller wrote, On 08/12/2010 09:18 AM:
> At Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:05:25 -0700 CentOS mailing list  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 08/12/2010 05:33 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> Why do you need any other process involved to work with a data stream?  If 
>>> you
>>> want to collect it to a remote file, you can  | ssh remotehost 'cat>
>>> path_to_file'.  Just be sure to quote the redirection so it happens on the
>>> remote side.
>>>
>>>
>> At a guess it's the compression he is after. Over a slow link it could 
>> make a substantial difference.
> 
> Just add gzip (or bzip2) to the pipeline:
> 
> program | bzip2 | ssh -q remote-host 'bunzip2 | remote-program'
> 
> 

or even easier (though maybe not as good a compression as bzip would get if 
dealing with text only)
 program | ssh -C -q remote-host 'remote-program'

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Stephen Harris
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 09:18:31AM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:

> program | bzip2 | ssh -q remote-host 'bunzip2 | remote-program'

If you're gonna put a compression tool in the pipeline then I recommend
you ensure ssh's own on-the-wire compression is turned off 'cos otherwise
you're potentially wasting CPU cycles.
  ssh -q -o 'Compression no' remote-host

Yes; this may be the default value but it's always a good thing to
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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Denniston
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:07
> Jason Pyeron wrote, On 08/12/2010 08:01 AM:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Simon Billis
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:36
> >>
> >> Jason Pyeron sent a missive on 2010-08-12:
> >>
> >>> We have a local time server and all of our machines are
> >> pointed at it
> >>> for the time.
> >>>
> >>> How can the clock drift by a day and a half?
> >>>
> >>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> >>> Fri Aug 13 14:43:29 EDT 2010
> >>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# rdate -s 192.168.1.67
> >>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# date
> >>> Thu Aug 12 07:02:39 EDT 2010
> >>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ 
> >>> restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server
> >>> 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
> >>> server  127.127.1.0 # local clock
> >>> fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10
> >>> driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
> >>> broadcastdelay  0.008
> >>> keys/etc/ntp/keys
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It is unlikely that the machine in question drifted 
> forward in time 
> >> if ntpd was running. Have a look at the logs /var/log/messages it 
> >> should contain the ntpd log messages
> > 
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# grep ntpd /var/log/messages  Jul 28 
> > 20:34:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 
> 192.168.1.65, stratum 
> > 3 Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), 
> > stratum 10 Jul 28 21:08:00 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error 
> > -512 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Jul 28 21:08:11 devserver21 
> > ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 3 Jul 28 21:24:58 
> > devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, 
> stratum 3 Jul 28 
> > 21:41:26 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 
> 192.168.1.67, stratum 
> > 3 Jul 28 21:42:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), 
> > stratum 10 Jul 28 21:42:16 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error 
> > -512 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Jul 28 21:42:34 devserver21 
> > ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 
> PPM Jul 28 
> > 21:43:37 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds 
> > tolerance 500 PPM
> 
> > tolerance 500 PPM
> > Jul 28 22:12:07 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM 
> > exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Jul 28 22:13:13 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: 
> > frequency error -512 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Jul 28 22:14:17 
> > devserver21 ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds 
> tolerance 500 
> > PPM Jul 28 22:15:11 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 
> > 192.168.1.66, stratum 3 Jul 28 22:31:41 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: 
> > synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10 Jul 28 22:31:41 devserver21 
> > ntpd[3475]: frequency error -512 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM
> 
> > Jul 29 15:14:01 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), 
> > stratum 10 Jul 29 15:26:05 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 
> > 192.168.1.65, stratum 3 Jul 29 15:59:17 devserver21 
> ntpd[3475]: time 
> > reset -1.599691 s Jul 29 16:03:31 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: 
> synchronized 
> > to LOCAL(0), stratum 10 Jul 29 16:05:38 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: 
> > synchronized to 192.168.1.67, stratum 3 Jul 29 16:08:46 devserver21 
> > ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.66, stratum 3 Jul 29 16:11:55 
> > devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 3
> 
> > Jul 29 17:23:57 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 
> 192.168.1.67, 
> > stratum 3 Jul 29 17:24:59 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: synchronized to 
> > LOCAL(0), stratum 10 Jul 29 17:30:46 devserver21 ntpd[3475]: 
> > synchronized to 192.168.1.65, stratum 3 Jul 29 17:47:24 devserver21 
> > ntpd[3475]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10 Aug 12 22:48:29 
> > devserver21 ntpd[3475]: sendto(192.168.1.66): Operation not 
> permitted
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# uptime
> >  08:10:19 up 164 days,  9:56,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.54, 
> > 0.81
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]#
> 
> Assumption: this is not from any kind of virtual machine.

Correct.

> Assumption: Your local time server is NOT a GPS with an 
> ovenized crystal or even a cell phone time source, i.e. NOT 
> very stable.

Correct.

> Assumption: the time servers that you are following 
> (192.168.1.6[57]) are:
>   a) each following the same timeserver(s), or at least 
> have one in common.

192.168.1.6[567] are one machine. Time on that one is/has been good. Other
machines in the enterprise follow it accurately.

>   b) peering with one another

n/a

>   c) following time servers that are reasonably stable.

Appears to be so.

> Assumption: the time farm is on real, non busy (an old cisco 
> router serving as the internet connection to 1000+ computers 
> does not qualify as non busy), hardware and is configured to 
> archive maxpoll 10 or higher.

Unknown, assuming the latency is neglibile. The important detail here is that
all the machines in the lan have the same time. There is no unusual latency
there.

>

Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Tom Brown
> Why not just do
>
> `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd 
> of=somethin
>
>
> eg
>
> find . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd of=find.out
>
> You don't need tar for anything.


alas the thing that generates the output creates 5 or 6 seperate
streams in sequence that generate 5 or 6 log files but i dont know in
advance the names of these logs.
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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday, August 12, 2010 04:55:29 am Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
> no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
> when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
> thing happened for years and it was fine ^^

> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
> sectors.

Is the Centos 5.5 box the same hardware that ran W2K?  If not, then you can't 
really compare the systems.

Having said that, I have seen pull the plug blackouts on busy servers, NTFS and 
otherwise, lose data and have hard bad sectors.

The reason is that if the hard disk is in the process of writing a sector, and 
its power falls out from under it, especially if the 12 volts falls before the 
5 volts, you can get scribbles on the disk.  These scribbles, especially with 
newer drives that pack data tighter than older drives, can overwrite ordinarily 
protected servo data; when this happens you lose sectors and sometimes whole 
tracks of data.  The right thing is to run a long SMART test (smartctl is the 
right tool, but read the man page before using it) and see how many sectors the 
drive ends up remapping.  The remapped data is probably lost, but the drive 
should still be usable if not too many sectors got scribbled.

I had a pair of 250GB Maxtor Maxline II drives get scribbled thanks to a power 
supply that was losing one of its two 12 volt supply rails; 12 volts is in high 
demand in modern machines.  Both drives now fail the SMART long test, even 
though all sectors except the 150 or so per drive that got scribbled on are ok. 
 The drives have been in use for several years since the scribble incident, and 
no additional sectors have been remapped.  But I did partition them so that the 
tracks I knew had seek error issues (thanks to the servo data getting 
overwritten) are between active partitions.

The two disks were in a Windows XP mirrored set; a large part of the NTFS 
filesystem was corrupted due to the particular location on the disks that got 
scribbled (both disks got marked as faulted as well).

When a disk scribbles in this manner you are going to get corruption of some 
sort; the amount and kind of corruption will depend entirely on what got 
scribbled.

You really need a UPS to prevent this, with the server having communication 
with the UPS to at least halt all writes when the power falls. Even if the 5 
and 12 volt rails fall at the exact same time (impossible to design for, since 
the fall time will be determined by the RC time constant of the load of the 
output, and that is variable with system activity) during a disk write you 
could easily get problems.  Some drives are more tolerant of this type of fault 
than others, but I've seen examples of drives from all the major brands have 
hard sector errors due to power supply issues; WD, Seagate, Maxtor, Toshiba, 
Hitachi, you name it.

I've seen it with all the major interface types, too, although enterprise class 
drives are far less likely to have the problem, but even then one of the more 
damaged drives I've seen was a Seagate Cheetah 72GB U320 SCSI drive, which 
ended up with over 2000 bad sectors after a particularly nasty set of power 
undervolts from a failing power supply in a Dell server (the undervoltage was 
on the 5 volt rail in this particular case; an oscilloscope trace of the 5V 
line looked like the Mediterranean costline); that drive ended up with sector 0 
fried and all remaps taken, thus essentially a dead drive, even though the 
majority of it tests good.  The test takes a very long time, though, thanks to 
all the seek errors the overwritten servo areas created.

So it is a hardware issue more than likely.
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[CentOS] preupgrade

2010-08-12 Thread Charles Campbell
Hello!

Just thought I'd present this problem for comment/help/hints:

* want to upgrade from Fedora Core 11 to 13
* I have a 64-bit system with Vista as a host o/s, running VMWare, and 
FC11 as a client o/s
* cloned my FC11 as a backup
* ran preupgrade, got expected problem with 200MB /boot, but preupgrade 
said that it could continue downloading (presumably to the larger 
partition) so I did
* preupgrade told me to reboot, so I did
* began upgrade process; ran Test.  First oddity: Test said it was 
testing media for FC10 , but test passed.
* Problem#1: after test finished, upgrade wanted me to install a disk.  
There is no such disk -- preupgrade put the upgrade information mostly  
into /boot, I presume.
* had to shutdown the upgrade process
* rebooted (I figured I'd try skipping the test this time)
* Problem#2: not running upgrade, instead just does a normal boot into FC11

In inspecting /boot, I see a fair amount of upgrade info there.   The 
help for this indicates that I should be using grub to select the 
upgrade; there is no grub since FC is running as a virtual machine client.

At this point I'm considering downloading FC13, writing DVDs, and doing 
a new virtual client.  I was hoping to avoid all that, especially as my 
FC11 has never recognized the DVD writer drive, so I'll end up having to 
do it from another machine.

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] preupgrade

2010-08-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 08/12/2010 03:22 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> * want to upgrade from Fedora Core 11 to 13

you have the wrong list. try the Fedora lists!

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Re: [CentOS] xen vs kvm for virtualization on centos/rhel?

2010-08-12 Thread Joe Pruett

 as i'm reviewing the courseware for the rhel (centos) course
i'm teaching next week, i'm going to ask the occasional question,
possibly technical, possibly more policy.

 first one involves the choice for virtualization.  the course has a
short section involving virt using xen but everything i've read
suggests that red hat is concentrating on kvm for virt.  thoughts on
that?  i have the freedom to replace the xen section with one covering
kvm instead.


the one thing that hasn't been addressed yet by kvm scripts is that a 
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Re: [CentOS] xen vs kvm for virtualization on centos/rhel?

2010-08-12 Thread Patrick Lists
On 08/12/2010 05:37 PM, Joe Pruett wrote:
[snip]
> the one thing that hasn't been addressed yet by kvm scripts is that a
> shutdown/reboot of the host won't do a save/restore of the guests like
> xen can do. for that reason i still use xen for production systems and
> only use kvm for testing random distros.

Fedora 13 does save the guest on shutdown so I would expect this will be 
supported in RHEL6/CentOS 6 too. But when do you actually power down a 
RHEL/CentOS server? And if you did, wouldn't you have migrated the 
guests to another box already?

Regards,
Patrick
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[CentOS] CentOS 4 Kernel Update

2010-08-12 Thread Ramon Nieto
When this kernel update be released for CentOS 4?

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2010-0606.html

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Re: [CentOS] preupgrade

2010-08-12 Thread Keith Roberts
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list 
> From: Karanbir Singh 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] preupgrade
> 
> On 08/12/2010 03:22 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
>> * want to upgrade from Fedora Core 11 to 13
>
> you have the wrong list. try the Fedora lists!

Hi Chip.

There's a lot of help available on the fedora forums:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] problems with yum_priorities on CentOS5/RHEL5

2010-08-12 Thread Keith Roberts
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Nick wrote:

> To: centos@centos.org
> From: Nick 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] problems with yum_priorities on CentOS5/RHEL5
> 
> On 10/08/10 17:52, Keith Roberts wrote:
>>> 1. yum check-updates and yum update do *not* warn you of an impending
>>>unresolved dependency caused by YP hiding the required package.
>>>
>>> It seems the only way to find out is if you go ahead and try and perform the
>>> update, which potentially leaves you with one or more broken packages.
>>> This seems a serious flaw that should be fixed.
>>
>> Not necessarily so.
>> I use '[root]# yum -y --skip-broken update' and this only
>> updates the packages that have no depsolving problems. Any
>> packages with problems are left out of the update.
>
> Ok, but this isn't a solution, if the broken dependency is related to 
> something
> you care about.  It just the easiest possible resolution to implement.
>
>>> 2. Not only do higher priority packages totally eclipse lower priorities,
>>>whatever version, but yum_priorities also makes it seem like they aren't
>>>even present.
>>
>> Well you can enable all your repos with:
>>
>> [root]# yum --enablerepo=* --disablerepo=Cmedia5 update (or
>> whatever the DVD media repo name is).
>>
>> I have Centos 5.5, ATrpms, EPEL and remi repos all working
>> reasonably well using yum-priorities plugin.
>
> I do wonder why the problem I've had isn't seen more often, as
> perl-Module-Install (the package which requires the eclipsed package,
> perl-Archive-Tar) is quite a common dependency of Perl packages.
>
> However, whether this problem manifests itself would depend on what packages 
> are
> installed, not just which repositories are enabled.  Maybe you're just lucky 
> (or
> I'm unlucky), and don't need perl-Module-Install.
>
> Cheers,
>
> N

I don't seem to be using that package:

Available Packages
Name   : perl-Module-Install
Arch   : noarch
Version: 0.92
Release: 1.el5.rf
Size   : 156 k
Repo   : rpmforge
Summary: Standalone, extensible Perl module installer
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Install/
License: Artistic/GPL
Description: Module::Install is a standalone, extensible 
installer for Perl
: modules.  It is designed to be a drop-in 
replacement for
: ExtUtils::MakeMaker, and is a descendent of 
CPAN::MakeMaker.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4 Kernel Update

2010-08-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 08/12/2010 05:01 PM, Ramon Nieto wrote:
> When this kernel update be released for CentOS 4?
>
> http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2010-0606.html
>


I'm working on trying to get it out asap.

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[CentOS] Is oprofile still working?

2010-08-12 Thread Hywel Richards
Hi all,

Is anyone using oprofile?

I'm getting segfaults from opreport at the moment, and I'm not sure if 
it is opreport, or just me.

In case it is something just plain daft I am doing, here is how it goes:

 opcontrol --reset
 opcontrol --setup --no-vmlinux
 opcontrol --start

... now I run my program, /tmp/myprog ...

 opcontrol --dump
 opcontrol --shutdown

then I run,
 opreport -l /tmp/myprog
and get:
 warning: [vdso] (tgid:4780 range:0x8d7000-0x8d8000) could not be found.
 warning: [vdso] (tgid:4784 range:0x86-0x861000) could not be found.
 CPU: Core Solo / Duo, speed 1067 MHz (estimated)
 Counted CPU_CLK_UNHALTED events (Unhalted clock cycles) with a unit 
mask of 0x00 (Unhalted core cycles) count 10
 Segmentation fault

The problem seems to come when I ask for symbols (-l).
I can't seem to get much information out of other running programs either.
I'm running the opcontrol commands as root, and I've tried opreport as 
root or myself.

I'm sure I have done this successfully in the past (but this is the 
first time I have tried it in a while).
I have what should be a fully patched CentOS 5.5 here.
I see this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529028 , but it 
looks to be too old to be relevant (I notice I have the updated binutils 
that the final link in the bugreport points to).
I've tried this on two different machines, but they are similar 
configurations I guess in that they are both 32bit intel machines.

Hywel.

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Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware issue?

2010-08-12 Thread Keith Roberts
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Benjamin Franz wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list 
> From: Benjamin Franz 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] NTFS is more resilient than ext3? Or is it hardware
> issue?
> 
> On 08/12/2010 01:55 AM, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> I don't mean to incite debate or something, just want to share
>> experience and a little curiosity.
>>
>> Back long time ago, we have an old file MS W2K (NTFS) server where due
>> no admin was available to manage it, the server would get power off
>> when the office closed, and auto power on again in the morning. That
>> thing happened for years and it was fine ^^
>>
>> Recently, I setup a Centos 5.5 file server with ext3 and got power
>> blackout twice and I notice the filesystem got corrupted and also bad
>> sectors.
>>
>> Is it just pure random luck, software or hardware issue?
>> What's your experience?
>>
>
> I would say 'luck'. No common system is normally 100% safe against 'pull
> the plug' shutdowns. Also, it matters how much disk I/O the system is
> doing. A system that is idle will tolerate 'pull the plug' better than
> one actually doing something. Additionally, powering up and powering
> down is the hardest thing you can do to the *hardware*. Servers should
> be let run 7/24 - they last longer. Finally, if power failures are
> taking the machine down, buy a UPS and connect the monitoring cable. I
> like APC UPSs and apcupsd for monitoring it and automatically shutting
> the system if needed.

I'm using an APC Back-UPS 650 on my home-built server. It 
does the job well. When there's a dip in the mains voltage 
the UPS switches in and keeps things running. I have 
configured apcupsd to gracefully shut the machine down after 
a 5 second power outage.

That APC UPS has been running for about 6 years now, still 
no problems with it.

I get postcards from APC occasionally, asking if I'd like to 
trade in my UPS for a newer one. Not now thankyou ;)

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] ATI mobility Radeon HD 5470

2010-08-12 Thread Przemysław Pawełczyk
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:28:56 -0700 (PDT)
John Doe  wrote:

> From: sync 
> > I try  to use that version  but  it does not work ...
> > Fatal : Module fglrx not found ..
> 
> Did you check if the module is present somewhere?

Hi,

I installed ATI in Debian dozens of times. Just tried the same process
on SL 5.5 here few minutes before.

1) linux-cat107-install.pdf from ATI download website says what files
you have to have installed prior to ATI instalation/kernel compilation

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_cat107-inst.pdf

2) Radeon HD 5 is included in the 10.7 list of ATI drivers

3) Installation went smoothly without a problem

4) ATI driver is named fglrx*

5) search for its mutations ;-) there:
lib/modules/fglrx
lib-/modules/"kernel-sig"/kernel/drivers/char/drm

kernel-sig = your kernel's signature

6) Alas there is not such thing like Debian's modconf to conveniently
check/manage installed kernel modules; there is no such file
like Debian's /etc/modules with a list of additionally installed kernel
modules.

(Perhaps someone hints us how to peep into SL kernel modules?)

7) ATI installs aticccle manager + fgl_glxgears (with 3D rotating cube)

8) You __have to change__ "manually" monitor's VertRefresh and HorizSync
data in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, e.g.:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
HorizSync30.0 - 70.0
VertRefresh  50.0 - 120.0
Option  "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option  "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option  "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

and add "Modes" line in Screen section:

Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Monitor"aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection


9) WARNING :-(

ATI worked good but I had impression that Xorg's latest radeon driver
(found in SL 5.5) worked better, especially during MC window resizing -
radeon was making less flickering than ATI proprietary driver.

The warning relates to system fonts- ATI changed my system fonts to
"something ugly" and in 6 pt size! I use IceWM, but every apps got the
same fonts and nothing could be done via IceWM settings, of course.
Thank God, I had a magnifying glass at hand...

So said I changed X11 settings to previous ones, namely to SL radeon
driver.

BTW. How to change system font in SL? I tried to find out thru google
search but to no avail. And there is no such script like
system-config-fonts, why?

I hope I were able to help.

Regards

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 8/12/2010 8:46 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
>> Why not just do
>>
>> `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd 
>> of=somethin
>>
>>
>> eg
>>
>> find . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd of=find.out
>>
>> You don't need tar for anything.
>
>
> alas the thing that generates the output creates 5 or 6 seperate
> streams in sequence that generate 5 or 6 log files but i dont know in
> advance the names of these logs.

You'll have to explain how the streams get sorted out locally before 
anyone can help you do it remotely.  Maybe the program itself could 
piped each stream through a separate ssh instance.  Or if you can wait 
for output to complete, collect all the files in an otherwise empty 
directory and rsync the whole thing to the remote.

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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread Drew
>>> Sorry to hijack this thread, but it could be relevant.
>>> As matter of interest, do these cards offer lower throughput than 4x
>>> single 1GB cards?
> If you should use them in a PCI slot yes, not if you use them in a PCI-X
> or PCI-e slot (although you could saturate a PCI-e x1 with 4 gbit ports I
> think).

Not with the Intel Pro 1000's. The PCIe versions require a x4 slot in
the dual or quad configuration. Can't speak to the PCI-X version as I
don't have any in my inventory.


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Re: [CentOS] Ethernet Quad

2010-08-12 Thread John R Pierce
  On 08/12/10 10:35 AM, Drew wrote:
> Not with the Intel Pro 1000's. The PCIe versions require a x4 slot in 
> the dual or quad configuration. Can't speak to the PCI-X version as I 
> don't have any in my inventory.


yeah, a single PCI-E 'lane' (eg, x1) is only about twice as fast as a 
PCI 32 bit 33Mhz desktop slot. (250MB/sec vs 133MB/sec burst).  As soon 
as you get into multiple devices contending for a channel, actual 
performance goes down considerably due to the overhead of contention 
negotiation.

PCI-E x4 has 4 of these lanes, so each of the 4 NICs can effectively 
have a lane to itself.   Full duplex gigE is, in theory, capable of 
120MB/sec read *and* 120MB/sec write at the same time, so this exceeds 
that single 32bit/33Mhz PCI slot by quite a lot..

PCI-E x4 is roughly equivalent to PCI-X (100-133Mhz, 64bit, about 
1Gbyte/sec), and any high performance IO device in a server should be in 
a x4 slot.


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Re: [CentOS] xen vs kvm for virtualization on centos/rhel?

2010-08-12 Thread Joe Pruett

> Fedora 13 does save the guest on shutdown so I would expect this will be
> supported in RHEL6/CentOS 6 too. But when do you actually power down a
> RHEL/CentOS server? And if you did, wouldn't you have migrated the
> guests to another box already?
>
mainly it is an issue for a quick reboot of the host for a kernel 
update.  i guess migration is an option for that as well, but not 
everyone has that much hardware.
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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:46:49 +0100 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> > Why not just do
> >
> > `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd 
> > of=somethin
> >
> >
> > eg
> >
> > find . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd of=find.out
> >
> > You don't need tar for anything.
> 
> 
> alas the thing that generates the output creates 5 or 6 seperate
> streams in sequence that generate 5 or 6 log files but i dont know in
> advance the names of these logs.

So the thing (program) does not write to stdout itself?  It it does '5
or 6' fopen(".log","w")s?  Well, then you need to do:

(mkdir temp && cd temp && thing && tar czvf - . | \
ssh -q 192.168.122.2 tar xvf -) && rm -rf temp

And yes, the log files will be written to the local disk before being
transfered.  There is not really anyway around this, unless you were
will / able to rewrite 'thing' to work differently.

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Jesus Hinojosa
Rsync works fine for this, keeping group and user

Regards

2010/8/12, Robert Heller :
> At Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:46:49 +0100 CentOS mailing list 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Why not just do
>> >
>> > `the thing that generates standard out here` | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd
>> > of=somethin
>> >
>> >
>> > eg
>> >
>> > find . | ssh -q 192.168.122.2 dd of=find.out
>> >
>> > You don't need tar for anything.
>>
>>
>> alas the thing that generates the output creates 5 or 6 seperate
>> streams in sequence that generate 5 or 6 log files but i dont know in
>> advance the names of these logs.
>
> So the thing (program) does not write to stdout itself?  It it does '5
> or 6' fopen(".log","w")s?  Well, then you need to do:
>
> (mkdir temp && cd temp && thing && tar czvf - . | \
>   ssh -q 192.168.122.2 tar xvf -) && rm -rf temp
>
> And yes, the log files will be written to the local disk before being
> transfered.  There is not really anyway around this, unless you were
> will / able to rewrite 'thing' to work differently.
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[CentOS] Ext3 undelete

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
I was fooled by a hard link trying to clean up disk space.

How can I undelete many files? (time is of the essence as I cannot unmount the
partition)

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Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete

2010-08-12 Thread Don Krause
Google is you friend..

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html

Good luck!


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Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Pyeron
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 17:22
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete
> 
> I was fooled by a hard link trying to clean up disk space.
> 
> How can I undelete many files? (time is of the essence as I 

I guess I can release the lvm snapshot...

> cannot unmount the
> partition)
> 

This directory was too big to backup,
http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html says I am SOL if I
don't know the contents to grep for it...


Oh well.


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Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete

2010-08-12 Thread Whit Blauvelt
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 02:26:00PM -0700, Don Krause wrote:

> http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html

That's an excellent little program. It can take some mucking about to find
the invocation that will save a particular file or set of files, but it
often can get the job done. It's well supported on its mailing list too.

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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 5:07 AM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
>
> [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$
> restrict default nomodify notrap noquery
> restrict 127.0.0.1
> server 192.168.1.67
> server 192.168.1.66
> server 192.168.1.65

Some HOWTOs tell you that more time servers is better, on a standard 
knee-jerk redundancy theory, but they're ignoring two things.

First, you already have a fallback: the system's built-in clock.  It's 
perfectly fine to run on that while you ride out your time server's 
downtime.

Second, ntpd, internally, is built on a phase-locked loop, which is 
supposed to stabilize its time corrections in the face of jitter and 
other bad things out in the real world.  Like anything based on a 
negative feedback loop, however, it can be destablized with certain 
inputs.  Giving ntpd two or more servers is a pretty good way to 
destabilize its PLL in the real, non-ideal world we find on the modern 
Internet.

To anyone considering flaming me, please read this first:

http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1773943

At minimum, read the section "One server is enough".  The bit on PLLs 
about halfway down is also directly relevant.
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Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Whit Blauvelt
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 17:31
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete
> 
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 02:26:00PM -0700, Don Krause wrote:
> 
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
> 
> That's an excellent little program. It can take some mucking 
> about to find the invocation that will save a particular file 
> or set of files, but it often can get the job done. It's well 
> supported on its mailing list too.
> 

Now the question is will it complete before more than the 100M snapshot is used
up...


[r...@host67 tmp]# ext3grep $IMAGE --restore-all --after=1281653802
--before=1281656202
Running ext3grep version 0.10.2
Only show/process deleted entries if they are deleted on or after Thu Aug 12
18:56:42 2010 and before Thu Aug 12 19:36:42 2010.

WARNING: I don't know what EXT3_FEATURE_COMPAT_EXT_ATTR is.
WARNING: EXT3_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_RECOVER is set. This either means that your
partition is still mounted, and/or the file system is in an unclean state.
Number of groups: 1846
Minimum / maximum journal block: 1545 / 9747
Loading journal descriptors... sorting... done
The oldest inode block that is still in the journal, appears to be from
1281635206 = Thu Aug 12 13:46:46 2010
Journal transaction 16090037 wraps around, some data blocks might have been lost
of this transaction.
Number of descriptors in journal: 7101; min / max sequence numbers: 16089433 /
16090473
Writing output to directory RESTORED_FILES/
Finding all blocks that might be directories.
D: block containing directory start, d: block containing more directory entries.
Each plus represents a directory start that references the same inode as a
directory start that we found previously.

Searching group 0:
+DD+++D+++DD+++DDD++DDD+DddDDDddDdD+Dddd
ddd


Thanks everyone...

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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 17:41
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd
> 
> On 8/12/2010 5:07 AM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
> >
> > [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ 
> > restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server 
> > 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
> 
> Some HOWTOs tell you that more time servers is better, on a 
> standard knee-jerk redundancy theory, but they're ignoring two things.
> 
> First, you already have a fallback: the system's built-in 
> clock.  It's perfectly fine to run on that while you ride out 
> your time server's downtime.
> 
> Second, ntpd, internally, is built on a phase-locked loop, 
> which is supposed to stabilize its time corrections in the 
> face of jitter and other bad things out in the real world.  
> Like anything based on a negative feedback loop, however, it 
> can be destablized with certain inputs.  Giving ntpd two or 
> more servers is a pretty good way to destabilize its PLL in 
> the real, non-ideal world we find on the modern Internet.
> 
> To anyone considering flaming me, please read this first:
> 
>   http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1773943
> 
> At minimum, read the section "One server is enough".  The bit 
> on PLLs about halfway down is also directly relevant.

Okay, I only have one timeserver, but the ntp clients cowardly refuse to use
less than 3. Back to the man page...



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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 3:43 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
>
> Okay, I only have one timeserver,

I meant that your on-site time server should be relying on only one 
other outside time server, one stratum up.

> but the ntp clients cowardly refuse to use
> less than 3.

Only one server on a given LAN should be running ntpd.  It's overkill 
for every machine to keep themselves synced with such a complex and 
fussy server.  All the others should just call ntpdate or msntp every 
hour or so as a cron job to keep their own time close to that of the LAN 
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[CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread Dan Yamins
Hi:

I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.

Something about the fdisk process is corrupting something on the drive

Before running fdisk, I can mount the volume find:

$ mount /dev/sdo1 /home

... and the volume is mounted fine.

And,
$ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
/dev/sdo1: clean, ...


But then I run fdisk to rewrite the partition table of this drive, to expand
the /dev/sdo1 partition w/o losing data:

$ fdisk /dev/sdo
# Type 'd' to delete the primary partition
# Type 'n' for new partition
# Type 'p' for primary
# Type '1' for 1st
# Type Enter for 1st cylinder
# Type Enter for last cylinder (full disk)
# Type 'w' to finish

Calling ioctl() ...
Syncing disks ...

But then something has gone wrong.

$ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdm1 ...


And I can't mount the volume any more:
$ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
mount: you must specify the filesystem type

What am I doing wrong? Am I missing a step of the process?

Thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread John R Pierce
  On 08/12/10 2:51 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> Only one server on a given LAN should be running ntpd.  It's overkill
> for every machine to keep themselves synced with such a complex and
> fussy server.  All the others should just call ntpdate or msntp every
> hour or so as a cron job to keep their own time close to that of the LAN
> time server's.

I disagree.

Simply setting a systems time at fixed intervals will result in 
discontinuities in delta time measurements.  if the systems local clock 
is fast, a given time will occur twice, and a delta between two time 
readings could be negative.if the clock is slow, a delta between two 
readings would jump by whatever correction.

I do think that having one NTP master server onsite which syncs either 
to a hardware clock (GPS etc), or to 1 to 3 external NTP servers, then 
having all the rest of your local servers sync to this one NTP master 
server is the correct architecture.Once an ntpd synchs and 
stabilizes to its reference, its very low overhead.


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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread John R Pierce
  On 08/12/10 2:56 PM, Dan Yamins wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.
>
> Something about the fdisk process is corrupting something on the drive
>
> Before running fdisk, I can mount the volume find:
>
> $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
>
> ... and the volume is mounted fine.
>
> And,
> $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> /dev/sdo1: clean, ...
>
>
> But then I run fdisk to rewrite the partition table of this drive, to 
> expand the /dev/sdo1 partition w/o losing data:
>
> $ fdisk /dev/sdo
> # Type 'd' to delete the primary partition
> # Type 'n' for new partition
> # Type 'p' for primary
> # Type '1' for 1st
> # Type Enter for 1st cylinder
> # Type Enter for last cylinder (full disk)
> # Type 'w' to finish
>
> Calling ioctl() ...
> Syncing disks ...
>
> But then something has gone wrong.
>
> $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdm1 ...
>
>
> And I can't mount the volume any more:
> $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
>
> What am I doing wrong? Am I missing a step of the process?

yeah, you deleted your file system, then created a new empty partition.

instead, you should have used parted(8) or similar to expand the 
partition, then used resize2fs(8) to expand the file system on this 
partition to its new size.

me, I'd strongly suggest doing a full backup of the partition first with 
dump(8)


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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread David Véjar
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Enviado el: jueves, 12 de agosto de 2010 18:22
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Asunto: Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

  On 08/12/10 2:56 PM, Dan Yamins wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.
>
> Something about the fdisk process is corrupting something on the drive
>
> Before running fdisk, I can mount the volume find:
>
> $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
>
> ... and the volume is mounted fine.
>
> And,
> $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> /dev/sdo1: clean, ...
>
>
> But then I run fdisk to rewrite the partition table of this drive, to 
> expand the /dev/sdo1 partition w/o losing data:
>
> $ fdisk /dev/sdo
> # Type 'd' to delete the primary partition
> # Type 'n' for new partition
> # Type 'p' for primary
> # Type '1' for 1st
> # Type Enter for 1st cylinder
> # Type Enter for last cylinder (full disk)
> # Type 'w' to finish
>
> Calling ioctl() ...
> Syncing disks ...
>
> But then something has gone wrong.
>
> $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdm1 ...
>
>
> And I can't mount the volume any more:
> $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
>
> What am I doing wrong? Am I missing a step of the process?

yeah, you deleted your file system, then created a new empty partition.

instead, you should have used parted(8) or similar to expand the 
partition, then used resize2fs(8) to expand the file system on this 
partition to its new size.

me, I'd strongly suggest doing a full backup of the partition first with 
dump(8)


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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread Dan Yamins
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:21 PM, John R Pierce  wrote:

>  On 08/12/10 2:56 PM, Dan Yamins wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.
> >
> > Something about the fdisk process is corrupting something on the drive
> >
> > Before running fdisk, I can mount the volume find:
> >
> > $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
> >
> > ... and the volume is mounted fine.
> >
> > And,
> > $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> > /dev/sdo1: clean, ...
> >
> >
> > But then I run fdisk to rewrite the partition table of this drive, to
> > expand the /dev/sdo1 partition w/o losing data:
> >
> > $ fdisk /dev/sdo
> > # Type 'd' to delete the primary partition
> > # Type 'n' for new partition
> > # Type 'p' for primary
> > # Type '1' for 1st
> > # Type Enter for 1st cylinder
> > # Type Enter for last cylinder (full disk)
> > # Type 'w' to finish
> >
> > Calling ioctl() ...
> > Syncing disks ...
> >
> > But then something has gone wrong.
> >
> > $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> > e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
> > Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
> > e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdm1
> ...
> >
> >
> > And I can't mount the volume any more:
> > $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
> > mount: you must specify the filesystem type
> >
> > What am I doing wrong? Am I missing a step of the process?
>
> yeah, you deleted your file system, then created a new empty partition.
>

Luckily I'm doing this via snapshots of an amazon EBS volume ... so this
whole thing was done on throw-away-able backup volume, which can be
recreated from the original volume at any time.   I've just done this, and
I've attached the newly-created volume to /dev/sdo.

Now I'm trying to use parted.

[r...@domu-12-31-39-0e-b2-61 ~]# parted /dev/sdo
Error: Error initialising SCSI device /dev/sdo - Invalid argument

I _can_ do it on the volume path itself:

[r...@domu-12-31-39-0e-b2-61 ~]# parted /dev/sdo1
Using /dev/sdo1
Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
(parted)

.. but this seems wrong, since I'm trying to edit the partition table not of
the partition /dev/sdo1 but of the drive itself.  ... Or perhaps I should
this?  (If so, could you give more explicit instructions?)

Perhaps because this is a network attached drive, something virtual that
amazon provides.However, the reason I've written to the centOS list is
because the same procedure has worked fine with ubuntu images ... so it
didnt' seem like an amazon problem

Thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread Dan Yamins
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:25 PM, David Véjar
wrote:

> cuak
>


?


>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] En nombre
> de John R Pierce
> Enviado el: jueves, 12 de agosto de 2010 18:22
> Para: CentOS mailing list
> Asunto: Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume
>
>  On 08/12/10 2:56 PM, Dan Yamins wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.
> >
> > Something about the fdisk process is corrupting something on the drive
> >
> > Before running fdisk, I can mount the volume find:
> >
> > $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
> >
> > ... and the volume is mounted fine.
> >
> > And,
> > $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> > /dev/sdo1: clean, ...
> >
> >
> > But then I run fdisk to rewrite the partition table of this drive, to
> > expand the /dev/sdo1 partition w/o losing data:
> >
> > $ fdisk /dev/sdo
> > # Type 'd' to delete the primary partition
> > # Type 'n' for new partition
> > # Type 'p' for primary
> > # Type '1' for 1st
> > # Type Enter for 1st cylinder
> > # Type Enter for last cylinder (full disk)
> > # Type 'w' to finish
> >
> > Calling ioctl() ...
> > Syncing disks ...
> >
> > But then something has gone wrong.
> >
> > $ e2fsck -f /dev/sdo1
> > e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
> > Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
> > e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdm1
> ...
> >
> >
> > And I can't mount the volume any more:
> > $ mount /dev/sdo1 /home
> > mount: you must specify the filesystem type
> >
> > What am I doing wrong? Am I missing a step of the process?
>
> yeah, you deleted your file system, then created a new empty partition.
>
> instead, you should have used parted(8) or similar to expand the
> partition, then used resize2fs(8) to expand the file system on this
> partition to its new size.
>
> me, I'd strongly suggest doing a full backup of the partition first with
> dump(8)
>
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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 4:15 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
>On 08/12/10 2:51 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>>
>> Only one server on a given LAN should be running ntpd.  It's overkill
>> for every machine to keep themselves synced with such a complex and
>> fussy server.  All the others should just call ntpdate or msntp every
>> hour or so as a cron job to keep their own time close to that of the LAN
>> time server's.
>
> I disagree.
>
> Simply setting a systems time at fixed intervals will result in
> discontinuities in delta time measurements.  if the systems local clock
> is fast, a given time will occur twice, and a delta between two time
> readings could be negative.if the clock is slow, a delta between two
> readings would jump by whatever correction.

This is one of the points from the paper I referenced: there are three 
main uses for clocks, and a single implementation isn't appropriate for 
all uses.  Only an ideal absolute time clock would work for all three 
cases.  Since we don't have that, you have to consider your own case 
before deciding on a clock synchronization strategy.

The strategy I recommended is based on the fact that its worst case 
behavior (a small negative jump every hour) is not a problem for me.  If 
it is a problem for your application, you need a different design.

> Once an ntpd synchs and
> stabilizes to its reference, its very low overhead.

True only as long as it's being given stable time input.  See figure 5 
in the paper for the kind of wild, damped oscillations you get with ntpd 
when the input is not stable.

The time series plot is crystal clear, but don't overlook the fact that 
the IQR plots use different axes.  There's a 4x difference hiding behind 
that bad visual display of quantitative information.  (Yes, that's my 
inner Tufte you're seeing poking out there.)
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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread Dan Yamins
instead, you should have used parted(8) or similar to expand the
> partition, then used resize2fs(8) to expand the file system on this
> partition to its new size.
>
>
So I'm trying parted on a new, clean volume created from the snapshot,
attached to /dev/sdm  As I explained before, I can't do

$ parted /dev/sdm

[r...@domu-12-31-39-0e-b2-61 ~]# parted /dev/sdm
Error: Error initialising SCSI device /dev/sdm - Invalid argument


I *CAN* do parted on the path:

$ parted /dev/sdm1
GNU Parted 1.8.1
Using /dev/sdm1
Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.

But then i get this error:

(parted) resize 1 0 500GB
Error: The location 500GB is outside of the device /dev/sdo1.

Which is course is true ...

(parted) print

Disk /dev/sdm1: 21.5GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop

Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Flags
 1  0.00kB  21.5GB  21.5GB  ext3


So I'm not sure where to go from here...

thanks!
Dan
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Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete

2010-08-12 Thread Jason Pyeron

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jason Pyeron
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 17:41
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: centos-boun...@centos.org
> > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Whit Blauvelt
> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 17:31
> > To: CentOS mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext3 undelete
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 02:26:00PM -0700, Don Krause wrote:
> > 
> > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
> > 
> > That's an excellent little program. It can take some 
> mucking about to 
> > find the invocation that will save a particular file or set 
> of files, 
> > but it often can get the job done. It's well supported on 
> its mailing 
> > list too.
> > 
> 
> Now the question is will it complete before more than the 
> 100M snapshot is used up...

Searching group 1768: ext3grep: get_block.cc:37: unsigned char* get_block(int,
unsigned char*): Assertion `device.good()' failed.

Disk filled up... Good by files...

> 
> 
> [r...@host67 tmp]# ext3grep $IMAGE --restore-all --after=1281653802
> --before=1281656202
> Running ext3grep version 0.10.2
> Only show/process deleted entries if they are deleted on or 
> after Thu Aug 12
> 18:56:42 2010 and before Thu Aug 12 19:36:42 2010.
> 
> WARNING: I don't know what EXT3_FEATURE_COMPAT_EXT_ATTR is.
> WARNING: EXT3_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_RECOVER is set. This either 
> means that your partition is still mounted, and/or the file 
> system is in an unclean state.
> Number of groups: 1846
> Minimum / maximum journal block: 1545 / 9747 Loading journal 
> descriptors... sorting... done The oldest inode block that is 
> still in the journal, appears to be from
> 1281635206 = Thu Aug 12 13:46:46 2010
> Journal transaction 16090037 wraps around, some data blocks 
> might have been lost of this transaction.
> Number of descriptors in journal: 7101; min / max sequence 
> numbers: 16089433 /
> 16090473
> Writing output to directory RESTORED_FILES/ Finding all 
> blocks that might be directories.
> D: block containing directory start, d: block containing more 
> directory entries.
> Each plus represents a directory start that references the 
> same inode as a directory start that we found previously.
> 
> Searching group 0:
> +DD+++D+++DD+++DDD++DDD+DddDDDddDdD+Dd
> dd
> +DD+++D+++DD+++DDD++DDD+DddDDDddDdD+
> ddd
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone...

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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread Yves Bellefeuille
On Thursday 12 August 2010 17:56, Dan Yamins wrote:

> I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.

I suggest you try Parted Magic: http://partedmagic.com/

It doesn't do anything you can't do from the command line, but it's much 
easier to use.

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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Jason Pyeron wrote:
>  
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
>> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 17:41
>> To: CentOS mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd
>>
>> On 8/12/2010 5:07 AM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
>>> [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ 
>>> restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server 
>>> 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65
>> Some HOWTOs tell you that more time servers is better, on a 
>> standard knee-jerk redundancy theory, but they're ignoring two things.
>>
>> First, you already have a fallback: the system's built-in 
>> clock.  It's perfectly fine to run on that while you ride out 
>> your time server's downtime.
>>
>> Second, ntpd, internally, is built on a phase-locked loop, 
>> which is supposed to stabilize its time corrections in the 
>> face of jitter and other bad things out in the real world.  
>> Like anything based on a negative feedback loop, however, it 
>> can be destablized with certain inputs.  Giving ntpd two or 
>> more servers is a pretty good way to destabilize its PLL in 
>> the real, non-ideal world we find on the modern Internet.
>>
>> To anyone considering flaming me, please read this first:
>>
>>  http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1773943
>>
>> At minimum, read the section "One server is enough".  The bit 
>> on PLLs about halfway down is also directly relevant.
> 
> Okay, I only have one timeserver, but the ntp clients cowardly refuse to use
> less than 3. Back to the man page...

One server should be fine - you must have something else wrong, like your 
authoritative server not being a low stratum number - or not convinced itself 
that its time is correct.

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Re: [CentOS] Problem resizing partition of nfs volume

2010-08-12 Thread Dan Yamins
I was just shown the solution to my problem, using the "sfdisk" program
instead of the "fdisk" or "parted" programs.Apparently "parted" could
not work because the drive is not really SCSI, and the "fdisk" program is to
"incorrect" and was overwriting a portion of the disk.   however, "sfdisk"
turns out to be more correct -- although more cumbersome to use.

Dan

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Yves Bellefeuille  wrote:

> On Thursday 12 August 2010 17:56, Dan Yamins wrote:
>
> > I have an NFS volume that I'm trying to resize a partition on.
>
> I suggest you try Parted Magic: http://partedmagic.com/
>
> It doesn't do anything you can't do from the command line, but it's much
> easier to use.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Warren Young wrote:
> 
> The strategy I recommended is based on the fact that its worst case 
> behavior (a small negative jump every hour) is not a problem for me.  If 
> it is a problem for your application, you need a different design.

It's a bad idea in the general case.  If you have scheduled jobs, ntpdate may 
jump the clock enough to miss the trigger or run them twice, where ntpd always 
tries to move the clock fractional seconds at a time so as not to let that 
happen.   Plus, ntpdate does no sanity check at all - if the clock source is 
badly off, the client will follow blindly even if it goes to the wrong century.

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Re: [CentOS] tar - ssh - standard out

2010-08-12 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/12/2010 06:46 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
> alas the thing that generates the output creates 5 or 6 seperate
> streams in sequence that generate 5 or 6 log files but i dont know in
> advance the names of these logs.

If "the thing" is generating log files, then it's not using "standard 
out".  Perhaps you are using that term incorrectly.

On a unix-like system, each process has three standard file descriptors 
when it starts: these are standard output (stdout), standard error 
(stderr), and standard input (stdin).  These three files are inherited 
from the parent process, which means that your shell normally sets them 
up for the commands that you run.  If you do not redirect any of those 
three, then they will normally be connected to the controlling terminal 
(/dev/tty is the controlling terminal for any process).  You can use the 
shell's redirection functions to connect those file descriptors to files 
rather than to the terminal, or pipe them to another command.

If your application is writing its data to a file without your specific 
redirection, then it's not using stdout and you can not pipe it to 
another system without writing the data to disk.
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