Re: [CentOS] foo2oak-wrapper

[Hal Davison]

On 2/16/2011 4:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Jerry McAllister wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 04:03:18PM -0500, Hal Davison wrote:
>>> A client bought for me a HP Color LaserJet 1525nw printer.
>>>
>>> Installed on the local network as 192.168.1.117
> 
>>> The CUPS installer is complaining that it cannot locate the
> foo2oak-wrapper...and
>>> that it should be installed before using the printer.
>> I've not done this with a printer on CentOS, but have on
>> FreeBSD.   Do you really need CUPs for a printer that is
>> hung off the network?  (eg.  not plugged directly in to the PC)??
> It might just not be in the std. distro. A couple-three years ago, I
> bought a 1020 for myself, and had to find the driver and build it. Since
> then, I've found them. You might either ask HP what driver to use, or see
> if CUPS recommends anything.
>
> Hmmm, I just brought up CUPS, and started walking through installing such
> a printer. I see there's a 1500 driver. Should I assume you did all this,
> and it can't find the .ppd? If that's the case, I'd question whether CUPS
> was properly installed.
>
>mark
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Yes. Did the 1500. After install is when 
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Re: [CentOS] some think there are no unemployed OSS folks

[Karanbir Singh]

On 02/17/2011 04:59 AM, Mark wrote:
> This whole discussion is off-topic and getting to be really annoying.

yes, please take it to somewhere more appropriate.

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Re: [CentOS] some think there are no unemployed OSS folks

[Mark]

This whole discussion is off-topic and getting to be really annoying.
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[CentOS] some think there are no unemployed OSS folks

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>        issue?  I don't get it.  You seem to think that money is the end
>        all be all for OSS.  I would suggest that's a mindset you may
>        wish to change as money doesn't drive OSS.

Are you saying  there are no OSS folks who have lost their houses,
their cars and their Internet connections and therefore have
difficulty continuing contributing to OSS projects?

I hope that is the truth, but I sincerely doubt that it is.

Not substantially different in spirit than OSS is our Community
Networking Grant program which supports ~ 300 not-for-profits.

When we began in 1995, we offered free Internet connections to each
school, library and hospital in our service area of 43 counties in
north Texas.

The recent downslide in the economy has made that immeasurably more
difficult to continue, but we are continuing with it for another year.

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Re: [CentOS] ACHTUNG: wrt CentALT repo

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 05:03:33PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:
>>
>> ACHTUNG:  Note the repo is apparently without SRPMs so it becomes
>> difficult to vet.
>
>        This is a show-stopper for many, including myself.  Thanks for
>        pointing it out.

See .

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Re: [CentOS] ACHTUNG: wrt CentALT repo

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>
>        However...
>
>        77 lines of unnecessary untrimmed text removed.  Is it too much
>        to ask you to be considerate to others and trim non-essential
>        text?  I direct you to the mailing list guidelines for these
>        lists:
>
>        http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16
>
>        Thank you for your future thoughtfulness.
>
>
>
>
>                                                        John
> --
> The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of
> those who have much, it is whether we provide enough for those who have too
> little.
>
> -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945), 32nd President of the United States,
>   second inaugural address, 20 January 1937

It would seem you have posted about 90 times, and the very first and
the very last (and presumably the ones in between) all contain a sig
longer than the guidelines, so, as a wanna be List Mom, you don't hold
much sway with me (read: there is already enough hypocrisy in the
world).

12 * ~ 90 > 77 by more than an order of magnitude.

The 77 serve to indicate how many packages one might search for and
_possibly_ wind up in an unsafe place.  I hope that is not the case
and will continue my efforts (along with one of my Internet2 friends)
to vet the repo.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:36 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 04:24:05PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Rainer Duffner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think it a trit (0, 1, "I don't know) naive to think that
>> money/donations wouldn't help.  These guys said they loose access to
>> their servers when the rollout starts.
>
>        Jesus.  Conflate more.  Or even better, _learn to read_ or
>        perhaps learn something about infrastructure.
>
>> There's no truth to the rumor that K & J are the ghost writers behind
>> "Kill Files For Dummies" but you can Google it.
>
>        I would have procmail'd you into oblivion quite some time ago
>        except you continue to spread nonsense in this list and someone
>        needs to point it out.

Which word or word phrase in "who's in charge of asking the major
manufacturers to loan a top shelf server to the project?" is nonsense?
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Re: [CentOS] ACHTUNG: wrt CentALT repo

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 05:03:33PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:
> 
> ACHTUNG:  Note the repo is apparently without SRPMs so it becomes
> difficult to vet.

This is a show-stopper for many, including myself.  Thanks for
pointing it out.

However...

77 lines of unnecessary untrimmed text removed.  Is it too much
to ask you to be considerate to others and trim non-essential
text?  I direct you to the mailing list guidelines for these
lists:

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16

Thank you for your future thoughtfulness.




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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 04:24:05PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Rainer Duffner  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it a trit (0, 1, "I don't know) naive to think that
> money/donations wouldn't help.  These guys said they loose access to
> their servers when the rollout starts.

Jesus.  Conflate more.  Or even better, _learn to read_ or
perhaps learn something about infrastructure.

> There's no truth to the rumor that K & J are the ghost writers behind
> "Kill Files For Dummies" but you can Google it.

I would have procmail'd you into oblivion quite some time ago
except you continue to spread nonsense in this list and someone
needs to point it out.




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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 03:54:20PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> And yet, fairly often in these conversations, paying for an RHEL support 
> subscription is suggested as a solution.

Yep.  And I'm the very first to point out that if you're going
to whine, cry, bitch and complain, go do it to someone paid to
listen to you.  Part of the cost of the support entitlement at
Redhat goes to paying people to man phones and sales reps to
deal with such.  After all, Redhat is a publicly traded
company, they would love to have your business _and_ you'd
actually be supporting CentOS' upstream provider in the process.

But the concept of throwing money at CentOS, a *volunteer*
project, in the deluded and mistaken belief that it will fix all
the wrongs in the world is just ludicrous.  With money comes
overhead, management, accountability, multi-national taxation,
ad nauseum.  Oh, and the fact that it doesn't solve what people
perceive as "issues".




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[CentOS] ACHTUNG: wrt CentALT repo

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Larry Vaden  wrote:
>
> N.B. pkgs.org is showing that CentALT is at current code and Fedora is
> using a release candidate!

Per a discussion with an Internet2 professor this PM:

ACHTUNG:  Note the repo is apparently without SRPMs so it becomes
difficult to vet.

Further, no mirrors have been spotted, which is not to say there
aren't any, but ...

> Centos.alt.ru CentALT RPM Repository has released the following this year 
> alone:
>
> bind-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> bind-chroot-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> bind-devel-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> bind-libs-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> bind-pkcs11-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> bind-sdb-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> bind-utils-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
> clamav-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
> clamav-db-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
> clamav-devel-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
> clamav-milter-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
> clamav-server-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
> ipfw3-20101110-1.el5.i386.rpm
> ipt_account-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
> kernel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
> kernel-devel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
> kernel-headers-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i386.rpm
> kernel-PAE-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
> kernel-PAE-devel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
> kernel-xen-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
> kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
> kmod-account-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
> kmod-account-PAE-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
> kmod-account-xen-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
> kmod-ipfw3-20101110-1.el5.i686.rpm
> kmod-ipfw3-PAE-20101110-1.el5.i686.rpm
> kmod-ipfw3-xen-20101110-1.el5.i686.rpm
> l7-filter-userspace-0.11-2.el5.i386.rpm
> ldns-1.6.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> ldns-devel-1.6.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> ldns-python-1.6.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> mc-4.7.5.1-1.el5.i386.rpm
> nginx-0.9.4-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-bcmath-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-cli-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-common-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-dba-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-devel-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-embedded-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-fpm-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-gd-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-imap-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-ldap-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-mbstring-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-mcrypt-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-mhash-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-mssql-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-mysql-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-ncurses-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-odbc-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-pdo-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-pgsql-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-process-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-pspell-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-recode-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-snmp-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-soap-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-tidy-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-xml-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-xmlrpc-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> php-zts-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
> postfix-2.7.2-2.el5.i386.rpm
> postfix-perl-scripts-2.7.2-2.el5.i386.rpm
> proftpd-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
> proftpd-ldap-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
> proftpd-mysql-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
> proftpd-postgresql-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
> repodata/
> unbound-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> unbound-devel-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> unbound-libs-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> unbound-munin-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
> vnstat-1.10-2.el5.i386.rpm
> vsftpd-2.3.4-1.el5.i386.rpm
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:03:57PM -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote:

> IMHO, if you are intending to install an O/S, and will need to have an 
> Internet connection, you should ALWAYS have a thumb drive and another 
> computer 
> with a confirmed Internet connection before starting. The only exception to 
> this rule is when installing OSX on a Mac - because they control the hardware 
> and the software, you're almost always good to go out of the gate. 
> 
> Windows is like this, Linux/BSD/etc is the same way. 


  I don't understand your assertion.
I have installed a few hundred FreeBSD systems and never used
a USB drive.  The earlier machines didn't even have them.  I just
stuck in the CD and booted and went merrily along.  Most of the 
installs were done over the net with the CD only bringing up the
sysinstall and getting the disk sliced and labeled.

I have also done a few dozen CentOS installs without useing any flash drive.

jerry


> 
> Get a cup of coffee at a cybercafe if you need to for the 'net access! 
> 
> That said, I've had little trouble with the Intel Wireless 2100 in the past 
> on 
> a Dell Inspiron 600m. Do a google search for "ipw2100", various RPM options 
> show on the first page for me. 
> 
> Good luck! 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:08:05 pm Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:44:17 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
> wrote:
> > > On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > > On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > > >> The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
> > > >> 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
> > > >> supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
> > > >> install the proper firmware.
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download something
> > > > else a contradiction in terms?   Not to mention a catch-22 when your
> > > > usual connection to download is over wireless...
> > > 
> > > So tell that to Red Hat.
> > > 
> > > If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS.  Les, surely you know that by
> > > now.
> > 
> > Also *wireless* NICs almost always need some sort of firmware thing in
> > /lib/firmware (or whereever).  This is usually separate from any
> > driver(s) that might be needed.  Wired NICs don't need this firmware
> > thing.
> > 
> > In my case my usual connection is not wireless anyway, or at least it
> > is not my only option -- the laptop does have a wired NIC, which also
> > works *out of the box* and is also an Intel NIC (Intel Corporation
> > 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03)). Oh, and it also
> > has USB ports, which would be another option.
> > 
> > (And *I* would avoid any laptop that *only* had a Wireless NIC.)
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Rainer Duffner  wrote:
>
> Am 16.02.2011 um 22:29 schrieb Larry Vaden:
>
>> Even further, the resistance to properly funding this project is
>> truly amazing.
>
> Well, with money come a lot of strings attached.

Ja und nein.

> Most likely, one would either have to incorporate a business or found
> some not-for-profit entity if large amounts of money flowed in.

Gifts from major corps like HP, IBM, Sun/Oracle, yada 1, yada 2 don't
require said.

> So, I think it's a bit naive to believe that more money would make the
> project "better" or make releases appear faster on the mirrors.

I think it a trit (0, 1, "I don't know) naive to think that
money/donations wouldn't help.  These guys said they loose access to
their servers when the rollout starts.

> Hopefully, the people actually involved in the release-effort don't
> get too distracted by this "noise".

There's no truth to the rumor that K & J are the ghost writers behind
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Rainer Duffner]

Am 16.02.2011 um 22:29 schrieb Larry Vaden:

>
>
> Even further, the resistance to properly funding this project is  
> truly amazing.


Well, with money come a lot of strings attached.

Most likely, one would either have to incorporate a business or found  
some not-for-profit entity if large amounts of money flowed in.

So, I think it's a bit naive to believe that more money would make the  
project "better" or make releases appear faster on the mirrors.

Hopefully, the people actually involved in the release-effort don't  
get too distracted by this "noise".




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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Benjamin Smith]

IMHO, if you are intending to install an O/S, and will need to have an 
Internet connection, you should ALWAYS have a thumb drive and another computer 
with a confirmed Internet connection before starting. The only exception to 
this rule is when installing OSX on a Mac - because they control the hardware 
and the software, you're almost always good to go out of the gate. 

Windows is like this, Linux/BSD/etc is the same way. 

Get a cup of coffee at a cybercafe if you need to for the 'net access! 

That said, I've had little trouble with the Intel Wireless 2100 in the past on 
a Dell Inspiron 600m. Do a google search for "ipw2100", various RPM options 
show on the first page for me. 

Good luck! 


On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:08:05 pm Robert Heller wrote:
> At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:44:17 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:
> > On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > >> The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
> > >> 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
> > >> supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
> > >> install the proper firmware.
> > > 
> > > Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download something
> > > else a contradiction in terms?   Not to mention a catch-22 when your
> > > usual connection to download is over wireless...
> > 
> > So tell that to Red Hat.
> > 
> > If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS.  Les, surely you know that by
> > now.
> 
> Also *wireless* NICs almost always need some sort of firmware thing in
> /lib/firmware (or whereever).  This is usually separate from any
> driver(s) that might be needed.  Wired NICs don't need this firmware
> thing.
> 
> In my case my usual connection is not wireless anyway, or at least it
> is not my only option -- the laptop does have a wired NIC, which also
> works *out of the box* and is also an Intel NIC (Intel Corporation
> 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03)). Oh, and it also
> has USB ports, which would be another option.
> 
> (And *I* would avoid any laptop that *only* had a Wireless NIC.)
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/16/2011 3:46 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
>   You seem to think that money is the end
>   all be all for OSS.  I would suggest that's a mindset you may
>   wish to change as money doesn't drive OSS.

And yet, fairly often in these conversations, paying for an RHEL support 
subscription is suggested as a solution.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 03:29:17PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:
> 
> There's a lot of difference between writing
> 
> "Was hoping to have
> this done by the weekend but a series of unfortunate incidents ( like
> large scale hdd failures ) meant that things at the $dayjob got a bit
> hectic and this slipped a few days."
> 
> and writing
> 
> "Was hoping to have
> this done by the weekend but a series of unfortunate incidents ( like
> large scale hdd failures at the $dayjob) meant that things got a bit
> hectic and this slipped a few days."

No, the difference is actually quite small unless you're looking
for material to argue over.

> so, as I read it, I had help with the conflation.

No, no help at all.

> Further, I'm surprised to learn that Karanbir's employer would go
> against Karanbir's presumed advice against allowing such a situation
> to develop.

100% irrelevant to CentOS or this thread.

> Even further, the resistance to properly funding this project is truly 
> amazing.

The project itself doesn't seem to have an issue with funding,
at least no issues I can spot in any public venue, so why do
*you*, an outsider and apparently non-contributor, have such an
issue?  I don't get it.  You seem to think that money is the end
all be all for OSS.  I would suggest that's a mindset you may
wish to change as money doesn't drive OSS.




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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Always Learning]

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:29 -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:

> Further, I'm surprised to learn that Karanbir's employer would go
> against Karanbir's presumed advice against allowing such a situation
> to develop.

Why don't we give this a break?  Nothing more can usefully be written.

KB's employer has no relevance to Centos so please keep his personal
private life out of discussion's about Centos delivery dates.

Please let this topic end now.

Thank you.

With best regards,

Paul.
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Re: [CentOS] foo2oak-wrapper

[m . roth]

Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 04:03:18PM -0500, Hal Davison wrote:
>>
>> A client bought for me a HP Color LaserJet 1525nw printer.
>>
>> Installed on the local network as 192.168.1.117

>> The CUPS installer is complaining that it cannot locate the
foo2oak-wrapper...and
>> that it should be installed before using the printer.
>
> I've not done this with a printer on CentOS, but have on
> FreeBSD.   Do you really need CUPs for a printer that is
> hung off the network?  (eg.  not plugged directly in to the PC)??

It might just not be in the std. distro. A couple-three years ago, I
bought a 1020 for myself, and had to find the driver and build it. Since
then, I've found them. You might either ask HP what driver to use, or see
if CUPS recommends anything.

Hmmm, I just brought up CUPS, and started walking through installing such
a printer. I see there's a 1500 driver. Should I assume you did all this,
and it can't find the .ppd? If that's the case, I'd question whether CUPS
was properly installed.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:36 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>
>        How is a HDD failure at $dayjob an issue of project-related
>        "money"?  Can you perhaps conflate more?

There's a lot of difference between writing

"Was hoping to have
this done by the weekend but a series of unfortunate incidents ( like
large scale hdd failures ) meant that things at the $dayjob got a bit
hectic and this slipped a few days."

and writing

"Was hoping to have
this done by the weekend but a series of unfortunate incidents ( like
large scale hdd failures at the $dayjob) meant that things got a bit
hectic and this slipped a few days."

so, as I read it, I had help with the conflation.

Further, I'm surprised to learn that Karanbir's employer would go
against Karanbir's presumed advice against allowing such a situation
to develop.

Even further, the resistance to properly funding this project is truly amazing.
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Re: [CentOS] foo2oak-wrapper

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 04:03:18PM -0500, Hal Davison wrote:

> Well...Greetings
> 
> A client bought for me a HP Color LaserJet 
> 1525nw printer.
> 
> Installed on the local network as 
> 192.168.1.117
> 
> A Google search brings back a number of 
> conflicting options. Before I ball things 
> up to much, I thought it best to check in 
> for additional advice.
> 
> The CUPS installer is complaining that it 
> cannot locate the foo2oak-wrapper...and 
> that it should be installed before using 
> the printer.

I've not done this with a printer on CentOS, but have on
FreeBSD.   Do you really need CUPs for a printer that is
hung off the network?  (eg.  not plugged directly in to the PC)??

jerry


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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[Keith Roberts]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Paul A wrote:

> To: 'CentOS mailing list' 
> From: Paul A 
> Subject: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2
> 
> Hi originally I installed php 4 on centos 5.5 and then a few repos including
> the remi repo to upgrade to php5, which seems to upgrade/work without any
> issues.
>
> However when I make a change to the /etc/php.ini file it doesn't look like
> apache is seeing it, for example if I change the post_max_size and
> upload_max_file to 25M each apache still sees the default 2M. I also removed
> the /etc/php.ini file and apache is able to start with no problems and it
> will still see the default 2M.

...

> php --ini
>
> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
> '/usr/lib/php/modules/pdo_odbc.so' - /usr/lib/php/modules/pdo_odbc.so:
> undefined symbol: php_pdo_get_dbh_ce in Unknown on line 0

This could indicate a conflict in the installation - the 
fact that PHP is looking for a missing library file.

I'm sure your installation of PHP and/or apache is trashed :(

It's *easy done* when mixing repos, if you don't take great 
care with your yum priorities.

Do you have multiple versions of apache packages installed 
somehow?

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[CentOS] foo2oak-wrapper

[Hal Davison]

Well...Greetings

A client bought for me a HP Color LaserJet 
1525nw printer.

Installed on the local network as 
192.168.1.117

A Google search brings back a number of 
conflicting options. Before I ball things 
up to much, I thought it best to check in 
for additional advice.

The CUPS installer is complaining that it 
cannot locate the foo2oak-wrapper...and 
that it should be installed before using 
the printer.

Yum is like me, clueless.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Gerhard Schneider
 wrote:
>
> Perhaps I'm a little bit pragmatic, but..
>
> I will upgrade to 5.6 when it's out - BUT I'm not really angry when
> CentOS 6 would be CentOS 6.1 - if you want to be beta tester for a large
> distibution you still can shift to Ubuntu..

There's not much wrong with the stoutest of horseradishes, as I
learned from the parking lot of a restaurant one evening in .at ---
you must know of what I write.

N >, where N is larger than the CentOS team, are more likely to find
more problems sooner with the proposed release if given the first
clean compiles and that statement will become more true as the number
of packages in the distro continues to increase.

For example, on one machine, I run Ubuntu 11.04 Server Alpha 2 just
for the potential joy of contributing back to the community what I
might find.

That opportunity is not met by current CentOS policy :(
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:16:22PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
> >
> > Money is not the real issue. It is time, and more importantly trust.
> 
> Another minor correction: Karanbir has written on the list that he was
> delayed by an HDD failure, so money is an issue IMHO.

How is a HDD failure at $dayjob an issue of project-related
"money"?  Can you perhaps conflate more?




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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:16:22 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
> >
> > Money is not the real issue. It is time, and more importantly trust.
> 
> Another minor correction: Karanbir has written on the list that he was
> delayed by an HDD failure, so money is an issue IMHO.

I believe the HDD failure was at his *day job*, not anything to do with
CentOS itself.  It sounded like Karanbir had to delay dealing with
CentOS in order to deal with a work-related emergency.

> 
> As a rural ISP 2 miles east of the middle of nowhere with a budget so
> tight we pinch nickels until they $hit $s, when an HDD fails, we hot
> swap it out of the RAID array and move on, typically within 5 minutes.
>  True, we have 4 GB drives that have been spinning since 1997 (hello
> to Chuck Dahlem, head designer at Seagate in OKC), but that's what
> life is like in rural America.
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>
> Money is not the real issue. It is time, and more importantly trust.

Another minor correction: Karanbir has written on the list that he was
delayed by an HDD failure, so money is an issue IMHO.

As a rural ISP 2 miles east of the middle of nowhere with a budget so
tight we pinch nickels until they $hit $s, when an HDD fails, we hot
swap it out of the RAID array and move on, typically within 5 minutes.
 True, we have 4 GB drives that have been spinning since 1997 (hello
to Chuck Dahlem, head designer at Seagate in OKC), but that's what
life is like in rural America.
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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[compdoc]

> However, we're not set up for UUIDs, the fstab
>just shows /dev/md0, etc.


I mentioned it because I recently installed and set up servers with ubuntu
10.04 and fedora 14, while I was waiting for C6. Using the UUID is the
default now.

I also found it works fine in C5.5 - you just substitute the UUID for the
/dev and format the fstab line properly.

However I use raid cards, and I don't know if mdadm can work with the UUID
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:44:17 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> >>
> >> The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
> >> 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
> >> supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
> >> install the proper firmware.
> > 
> > Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download something 
> > else a contradiction in terms?   Not to mention a catch-22 when your 
> > usual connection to download is over wireless...
> > 
> So tell that to Red Hat.
> 
> If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS.  Les, surely you know that by now.

Also *wireless* NICs almost always need some sort of firmware thing in
/lib/firmware (or whereever).  This is usually separate from any
driver(s) that might be needed.  Wired NICs don't need this firmware
thing.

In my case my usual connection is not wireless anyway, or at least it
is not my only option -- the laptop does have a wired NIC, which also
works *out of the box* and is also an Intel NIC (Intel Corporation
82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03)). Oh, and it also
has USB ports, which would be another option.

(And *I* would avoid any laptop that *only* had a Wireless NIC.)

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
> On 2/16/2011 11:17 AM, Larry Vaden wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think I'll continue with the effort to get RedHat to see the wisdom
>> wrt certain essential elements of the Internet infrastructure (like
>> BIND).
>
> I thought the RHEL 5.6 release notes said it contains BIND 9.7.  What
> more do you want?

A good definition of "current" is "Belonging to the present time."

bind-9.7.3 came out 02/14, but the prior release was 9.7.2-P3 from
last year and RHEL 5.6 carries

Version: 9.3.6 Release: 16.P1.el5
Version: 9.7.0 Release: 6.P2.el5

both of which were released by Paul Vixie and crew at isc.org before
recently formed rocks.

N.B. pkgs.org is showing that CentALT is at current code and Fedora is
using a release candidate!

Centos.alt.ru CentALT RPM Repository has released the following this year alone:

bind-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
bind-chroot-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
bind-devel-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
bind-libs-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
bind-pkcs11-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
bind-sdb-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
bind-utils-9.7.3-1.el5.i386.rpm
clamav-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
clamav-db-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
clamav-devel-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
clamav-milter-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
clamav-server-0.97-1.el5.i386.rpm
ipfw3-20101110-1.el5.i386.rpm
ipt_account-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
kernel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
kernel-devel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
kernel-headers-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i386.rpm
kernel-PAE-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
kernel-PAE-devel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
kernel-xen-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18-238.1.1.1.el5.i686.rpm
kmod-account-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
kmod-account-PAE-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
kmod-account-xen-0.1.21-1.el5.i686.rpm
kmod-ipfw3-20101110-1.el5.i686.rpm
kmod-ipfw3-PAE-20101110-1.el5.i686.rpm
kmod-ipfw3-xen-20101110-1.el5.i686.rpm
l7-filter-userspace-0.11-2.el5.i386.rpm
ldns-1.6.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
ldns-devel-1.6.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
ldns-python-1.6.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
mc-4.7.5.1-1.el5.i386.rpm
nginx-0.9.4-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-bcmath-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-cli-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-common-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-dba-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-devel-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-embedded-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-fpm-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-gd-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-imap-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-ldap-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-mbstring-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-mcrypt-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-mhash-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-mssql-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-mysql-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-ncurses-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-odbc-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-pdo-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-pgsql-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-process-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-pspell-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-recode-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-snmp-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-soap-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-tidy-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-xml-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-xmlrpc-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
php-zts-5.2.17-1.el5.i386.rpm
postfix-2.7.2-2.el5.i386.rpm
postfix-perl-scripts-2.7.2-2.el5.i386.rpm
proftpd-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
proftpd-ldap-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
proftpd-mysql-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
proftpd-postgresql-1.3.3d-2.el5.i386.rpm
repodata/
unbound-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
unbound-devel-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
unbound-libs-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
unbound-munin-1.4.8-1.el5.i386.rpm
vnstat-1.10-2.el5.i386.rpm
vsftpd-2.3.4-1.el5.i386.rpm

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Kwan Lowe]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Mathieu Baudier  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
> a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.
>
> My main focus is therefore to have something robust, reliable and
> above all well compatible with CentOS.
> Hibernate / suspend feature are important to me, because that's the
> main issue I have with CentOS on other laptops.
>
> I have found the following information so far:
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_CentOS_5_on_a_Thinkpad_T60
>
> The processor is a T2300 (so 32 bits apparently):
> http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27233
>
> I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could
> share their experience (good or bad).

We had several of the T60s as corporate laptops. I've installed CentOS
and RHEL on them without much problem. Most everything worked fine.
The only issue I saw was battery life wasn't so great from a full
charge. It seemed to run a bit hot. After a meeting it would be at 40%
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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[Keith Roberts]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list 
> From: m.r...@5-cent.us
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2
> 
> I just googled httpd php.conf linux, thinking that you might need one in
> /etc/httpd/conf.d/, and found this. You can skip the how-to-build part,
> but it mentions a number of other steps, such as:
> cp -p php.ini-recommended /usr/local/apache/php/php.ini

/usr/local/whatever is the default location for installing 
apache and php if you compile it yourself from upstream 
source, without specifying a --prefix="/path/to/install/to" 
to the ./configure command.

Here is an example configure script for php:

#! /bin/sh
#
# Created by configure

'./configure' \
'--with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache-2.2.6/bin/apxs' \
'--prefix=/usr/local/php-5.2.4' \
'--bindir=/usr/local/bin' \
'--enable-shared=all' \
'--without-pear' \ 
'--with-mysql=shared' \
'--with-mysql-sock=/var/lib/databases/mysql/mysql.sock' \
'--with-mysqli=shared' \
'--with-pgsql=/usr/local/postgresql-8.2.5/bin' \
'--with-xsl' \
'--with-zlib-dir=/usr/include' \
'--with-readline' \
"$@"

That would then put php.ini into 
/usr/local/php-5.2.4/lib/php.ini

See my guide on the homepage of www.php-debuggers.net for 
some more help.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Johnny Hughes]

On 02/16/2011 01:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>> The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
>> 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
>> supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
>> install the proper firmware.
> 
> Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download something 
> else a contradiction in terms?   Not to mention a catch-22 when your 
> usual connection to download is over wireless...
> 
So tell that to Red Hat.

If it ain't in RHEL, it ain't in CentOS.  Les, surely you know that by now.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:06:36 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> >
> > The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
> > 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
> > supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
> > install the proper firmware.
> 
> Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download something 
> else a contradiction in terms?   Not to mention a catch-22 when your 
> usual connection to download is over wireless...

Downloading and installing the firmware was pretty close to painless,
when compared to dealing with *other* wireless cards on other laptops:
special kernel modules, special kernels, etc.

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Re: [CentOS] NIC bonding - missing eth0?

[Smithies, Russell]

Yep, that's the problem - it keeps coming up with 3 ports instead of 4 and eth0 
is always has a different Aggregator ID.
No idea why it does that - the other server is setup the same and it's bonding 
works perfectly.
The only thing I can think of is some of the Xen virtual interfaces and bridges 
as disrupting it.

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On 16/02/2011, at 3:12 PM, Smithies, Russell wrote:

802.3ad info
LACP rate: slow
Active Aggregator Info:
Aggregator ID: 19
Number of ports: 3 
Actor Key: 17
Partner Key: 5
Partner Mac Address: 00:1b:90:3d:90:c0

Slave Interface: eth0
MII Status: up
Link Failure Count: 0
Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5c
Aggregator ID: 18<

This is different.



Slave Interface: eth1
MII Status: up
Link Failure Count: 0
Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5d
Aggregator ID: 19

Slave Interface: eth2
MII Status: up
Link Failure Count: 0
Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5e
Aggregator ID: 19

Slave Interface: eth3
MII Status: up
Link Failure Count: 0
Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5f
Aggregator ID: 19


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[compdoc]

>>On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>
> >The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
> >3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
> >supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download
> > and install the proper firmware.

>Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download
> something  else a contradiction in terms?
>   Les Mikesell


I don't think so. I take it "out of the box" means the drivers are in the
OS, but the card/hardware needs some updating.

>Not to mention a catch-22 when your
>usual connection to download is over wireless...


This is certainly true, but that's why ppl pay guys like us to do this for
them. Praise Jebus.




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Re: [CentOS] kmod-e1000e and Intel Network Card

[Akemi Yagi]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Alexander Dalloz  wrote:
> Am 16.02.2011 18:09, schrieb Akemi Yagi:

>> But if you'd like more info or questions regarding ELRepo's drivers,
>> you will need to ask on the ELRepo mailing list.
>>
>> Akemi

> I know you are part of the ELrepo team and saw you contributing to a
> bugzilla ticket, asking for updating the e1000e kernel module with
> recent Intel sources. I understand the point the Red Hat team is making,
> when they say, they will only update when the Intel version found their
> way into Linus's vanilla kernel tree.

For people wondering which bugzilla report you are referencing:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632650

> Though I am planning to open an upstream ticket because the 2 Intel
> 82574L NICs are not usable with plain RHEL 6, but they are using the
> ELrepo module. Unfortunately I was not able to trace and dump much
> useful information to fill in the ticket besides to note that simply no
> network traffic is going through the NICs with the RHEL 6 kernel module.

By all means, try filing a support request. Unless the RHEL-6 kernel
gets the updated driver, CentOS-6 would not. I suppose (hope) you can
send in a request without having to provide all technical details.
Just mention the "fact" that the driver in the RHEL-6 kernel does not
work while a newer version from ELRepo works and see how they handle
the case.

> Glad there is the ELrepo! :)

Always good to hear a success story like this. [But once again, it's
best mentioned on the ELRepo ML]

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[CentOS] Flash No Longer Supported on RHEL 4

[Ben Mohilef]

>From RHSA Announce:

[RHSA-2011:0259-01] Critical: flash-plugin - 1-Month End Of Life Notice


> The flash-plugin package on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 contains multiple
> security flaws and should no longer be used. This is the 1-month
> notification of Red Hat's plans to disable Adobe Flash Player 9 on Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux 4.
> 
> The Red Hat Security Response Team has rated this update as having critical
> security impact.


Adobe's security caveats apply to Linux as well as Windows.



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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[Brian Mathis]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Robert Heller  wrote:
>
> Umm.  It has been stated elsewhere, but RAID is not really a substistute
> for proper backups.
>
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I know this is the popular thing to say, but it should not be said
blindly.  This case is an example of exactly where it is not
appropriate to say such a thing.  The OP is clearly using the
mirroring ability of RAID1, then breaking the mirror to move the copy
offsite.  In fact, this is exactly an implementation of a "proper
backups".

For further information, when people say "RAID is not backup," they
are referring to the situation where people rely solely on RAID to
cover all aspects of backup.  They simply don't think through all the
scenarios of when you need a backup, such as when files are deleted,
filesystem corruption, fire/flood, virus, etc...  People using RAID
like this don't have tapes, don't have offsites, and rely on all data
sitting within the machine to be safe.  Again, that's clearly not how
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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[m . roth]

I just googled httpd php.conf linux, thinking that you might need one in
/etc/httpd/conf.d/, and found this. You can skip the how-to-build part,
but it mentions a number of other steps, such as:
cp -p php.ini-recommended /usr/local/apache/php/php.ini



Hope you find this useful.

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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[Keith Roberts]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Paul A wrote:

> To: 'CentOS mailing list' 
> From: Paul A 
> Subject: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2
> 
> Hi originally I installed php 4 on centos 5.5 and then a 
> few repos including the remi repo to upgrade to php5, 
> which seems to upgrade/work without any issues.

It might be worth removing all php packages, and doing a 
fresh install of php 5. Is that too much trouble?

Start with a clean slate, so to speak?

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/16/2011 11:17 AM, Larry Vaden wrote:
>
>
> I think I'll continue with the effort to get RedHat to see the wisdom
> wrt certain essential elements of the Internet infrastructure (like
> BIND).

I thought the RHEL 5.6 release notes said it contains BIND 9.7.  What 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/16/2011 12:41 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>
> The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
> 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
> supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
> install the proper firmware.

Isn't being supported "out of the box" and having to download something 
else a contradiction in terms?   Not to mention a catch-22 when your 
usual connection to download is over wireless...

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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[Keith Roberts]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Paul A wrote:

> To: 'CentOS mailing list' 
> From: Paul A 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2
> 
> No there is only on php.ini on there located in 
> /etc/php.ini, this is so weird.

It is - very odd!

What's your file permissions for php.ini ?

Mine are:

-rw-r--r--  root  root76376 Nov  1 11:55 php.ini

Try some of these commands to identify which php you have 
installed:

[root@karsites ~]# rpm -qv php
php-5.3.3-1.el5.remi

[root@karsites ~]# rpm -qf `which php`
file /usr/local/bin/php is not owned by any package

[root@karsites ~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/php
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan  1 15:25 /usr/local/bin/php -> /usr/bin/php

[root@karsites ~]# which php
/usr/local/bin/php

The symlink is my own doing for when I used to compile 
upstream php from source tar.gz

I tried to generate a php error in my /etc/php.ini but 
nothing happened.


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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

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At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:43:16 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list 
 wrote:

> 
> > On 2/16/2011 12:09 PM, compdoc wrote:
> >>> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between
> >>> /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc for these devices.
> >>
> >> I use the UUID in fstab rather than '/dev/sda', etc
> >
> > In this case it would be something you give to mdadm to add a device
> > back to a set.  And you'd have to know which one in a rotation was
> > coming back to which machine, something you wouldn't otherwise have to
> > track since it is going to overwrite everything with the re-sync anyway.
> 
> We do track (and physically label) that, because there are drives of
> different size/manufacturer/geometry on different servers, so that would
> be ok.

Thought question: is there any *pattern* to the seemingly randomness of
the /dev/sdb vs. /dev/sdc business?  Do disks of certain
sizes/manufacturer/geometry do the switch more or less often?

> 
> However, we're not set up for UUIDs, the fstab just shows /dev/md0, etc. 
> Perhaps this is the answer for us, but I'll have to look into how tricky
> it would be to migrate roughly 50 production servers.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[m . roth]

Paul A wrote:
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Keith Roberts
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Paul A wrote:
>> From: Paul A 
>>
>> Keith/guys thanks for the suggestions, here is what I have
>> found. It shows loaded config file is /etc/php.ini but if
>> I remove that file and restart apache it still works. I
>> also did as Keith suggested I removed a comment ';' and I
>> got no errors apache started and it loaded the
>> /etc/php.ini file. It's just completely ignoring that
>> file, if its there or if its not there.
>
> All I can think of is that you have more than one version of
> PHP installed, and it's looking in a non-standard place for
> the php.ini - possibly under /usr/php-version or
> /usr/local/php-version.
>
> Try a file search on your system, and see how many php.ini
> files you can find there.
>
> Eg.
>
> [root@karsites ~]# locate php.ini
> /downloads/php-src/5.2.1/php-5.2.1/php.ini-dist
> /downloads/php-src/5.2.1/php-5.2.1/php.ini-recommended
> /downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/php.ini-dist
> /downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/php.ini-recommended

> No there is only on php.ini on there located in /etc/php.ini, this is so
> weird.
>
May we assume that you did
locate php.ini
?

And *please* stop top posting.

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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[James Smallacombe]

> At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:38:53 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> > At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:27 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We have about 50 CentOS servers with software RAID level 1
>> (mirroring).
>> >> Each week, we swap out one of the drives (the one in the second of
>> four
>> >> hot-swap bays, only the first two of which contain drives) on each
>> >> server
>> >> and take them offsite for safekeeping.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between
>> /dev/sdb
>> >> and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This makes the process slower by
>> >> requiring more manual input where a script(s) could otherwise
>> suffice.
>> >
>> > I'm assuming these are actually SATA disks with a controller that
>> > supports hot-swap.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> > What I think is happening is that the kernel retains some 'memory' of
>> > the pulled drive (say /dev/sdb) and when the fresh drive is installed,
>> a
>> > new dev file is created (/dev/sdc).  Eventually, /dev/sdb is forgotten
>> > by the time the next 'swap' and /dev/sdb is assigned to the next fresh
>> > disk.
>>
>> Interesting...one would think that this behavior would be consistent
>> across all servers then, but it isn't.  Most accept the same dev,
>> /dev/sdb, but some assign /dev/sdc.  Is there a way to just disable
>> /dev/sdc and force the kernel to use /dev/sdb every time?
>
> It could be something as simple as 'timing'.  Like how long it takes for
> the kernel to get around to re-cycling the device objects.  I would also
> look real closely at the *exact* order of tasks (mdadm -f ..., mdadm -r
> ..) and how much time there is between these tasks and how 'busy' the
> specific machine is.  It could be that the disk is being pulled too soon
> or not enough time is left between the 'fail' and the 'remove' -- that
> is the kernel is still doing something with the disk (eg has some
> 'unfinished business') and is thus not releasing the device object. It
> is likely that the amount of time needed for things to 'settle' will
> vary based on things like system load and just what the system is doing
> (eg a database server will be different from a file server which will be
> different from a DNS server, etc.).  And it might also depend on the
> size of the disks and the type of controller (and the driver it uses).

Interesting...I will discuss with the tech who swaps the drives out.

>> > Question: are you always swapping in a *new* disk each week or
>> > re-inserting the disk from the previous week?
>>
>> It's a rotation, so re-inserting from the previous week.
>
> Umm.  It has been stated elsewhere, but RAID is not really a substistute
> for proper backups.

I agree.  Proper archiving is also in place.  This system is also in
place, to allow for a faster recovery in the event of other hardware
failure.  It has been useful many times already.
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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[Keith Roberts]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, James Smallacombe wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list 
> From: James Smallacombe 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers
> 
>> At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:27 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches 
>>> between /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This 
>>> makes the process slower by requiring more manual input 
>>> where a script(s) could otherwise suffice.
>>
>> I'm assuming these are actually SATA disks with a 
>> controller that supports hot-swap.
>
> Correct.
>
>> What I think is happening is that the kernel retains some 'memory' of
>> the pulled drive (say /dev/sdb) and when the fresh drive is installed, a
>> new dev file is created (/dev/sdc).  Eventually, /dev/sdb is forgotten
>> by the time the next 'swap' and /dev/sdb is assigned to the next fresh
>> disk.
>
> Interesting...one would think that this behavior would be consistent
> across all servers then, but it isn't.  Most accept the same dev,
> /dev/sdb, but some assign /dev/sdc.  Is there a way to just disable
> /dev/sdc and force the kernel to use /dev/sdb every time?

Can you identify any differences in the machines that don't 
re-assign the dev files, and the machines that do?

Is this anything to do with UUID's on the drives/partitions?

What parts do you have on the RAID drives?

How are the drives setup as RAID - as bare 
drives/partitions, or via LVG?

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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[James Smallacombe]

> On 2/16/2011 12:09 PM, compdoc wrote:
>>> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between
>>> /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc for these devices.
>>
>> I use the UUID in fstab rather than '/dev/sda', etc
>
> In this case it would be something you give to mdadm to add a device
> back to a set.  And you'd have to know which one in a rotation was
> coming back to which machine, something you wouldn't otherwise have to
> track since it is going to overwrite everything with the re-sync anyway.

We do track (and physically label) that, because there are drives of
different size/manufacturer/geometry on different servers, so that would
be ok.

However, we're not set up for UUIDs, the fstab just shows /dev/md0, etc. 
Perhaps this is the answer for us, but I'll have to look into how tricky
it would be to migrate roughly 50 production servers.

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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:38:53 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list 
 wrote:

> 
> > At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:27 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> We have about 50 CentOS servers with software RAID level 1 (mirroring).
> >> Each week, we swap out one of the drives (the one in the second of four
> >> hot-swap bays, only the first two of which contain drives) on each
> >> server
> >> and take them offsite for safekeeping.
> >>
> >> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between /dev/sdb
> >> and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This makes the process slower by
> >> requiring more manual input where a script(s) could otherwise suffice.
> >
> > I'm assuming these are actually SATA disks with a controller that
> > supports hot-swap.
> 
> Correct.
> 
> > What I think is happening is that the kernel retains some 'memory' of
> > the pulled drive (say /dev/sdb) and when the fresh drive is installed, a
> > new dev file is created (/dev/sdc).  Eventually, /dev/sdb is forgotten
> > by the time the next 'swap' and /dev/sdb is assigned to the next fresh
> > disk.
> 
> Interesting...one would think that this behavior would be consistent
> across all servers then, but it isn't.  Most accept the same dev,
> /dev/sdb, but some assign /dev/sdc.  Is there a way to just disable
> /dev/sdc and force the kernel to use /dev/sdb every time?

It could be something as simple as 'timing'.  Like how long it takes for
the kernel to get around to re-cycling the device objects.  I would also
look real closely at the *exact* order of tasks (mdadm -f ..., mdadm -r
..) and how much time there is between these tasks and how 'busy' the
specific machine is.  It could be that the disk is being pulled too soon
or not enough time is left between the 'fail' and the 'remove' -- that
is the kernel is still doing something with the disk (eg has some
'unfinished business') and is thus not releasing the device object. It
is likely that the amount of time needed for things to 'settle' will
vary based on things like system load and just what the system is doing
(eg a database server will be different from a file server which will be
different from a DNS server, etc.).  And it might also depend on the
size of the disks and the type of controller (and the driver it uses).

> 
> > Question: are you always swapping in a *new* disk each week or
> > re-inserting the disk from the previous week?
> 
> It's a rotation, so re-inserting from the previous week.

Umm.  It has been stated elsewhere, but RAID is not really a substistute
for proper backups.

> 
> >>
> >> It also confuses smartd, which AFAIK, needs the correct device names to
> >> report accurately.
> >>
> >> Ideally, we'd like to force the OS at some level to always see these
> >> devices as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.  If not, is there at least some way to
> >> configure smartd to be "smart" and recognize which devices are in use?
> >
> > The cure might be that you need to do a reboot to properly rescan the
> > disks.
> 
> Ugh.  Thanks for your reponse.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:04:00 -0500 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> On 02/16/2011 12:30 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:02:57 -0500 CentOS mailing list  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Mathieu Baudier wrote:
> >>> I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
> >>> a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.
> >> 
> >>> I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could
> >>> share their experience (good or bad).
> >> Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week
> >> or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly
> >> approved of.
> > I have CentOS 5.5 (i386) running happily on an X31 Thinkpad.  IBM
> > laptops are really good laptops.
> >
> I also have run Centos 5.5 on an X31 and moved to a X200.  The T60 fits 
> in between
> these in the Thinkpad evolution, IIRC.  It was fine on both and
> I had no trouble with wireless on either.  The wireless concern was 
> mentioned in another
> response on this thread.

The wireless on the X31 is an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100
3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04).  Intel wireless chips are *very well*
supported *out of the box* under CentOS.  You do need to download and
install the proper firmware.

> 
> good luck,
> roger wells
> >> mark
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[David Sommerseth]

On 16/02/11 18:08, Always Learning wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:52 +0100, Mathieu Baudier wrote:
> 
>> I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
>> a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.
> 
> One thing you might, or happily might not, have difficulties with is the
> wifi driver.  Most drivers are available from various sources.
> 
> C5 is based on kernel 2.6.18. More wifi drivers were added to kernel
> 2.6.27, I think.  C6 will be based on kernel 2.6.34, I believe.

As long as the CentOS kernel is based on the RHEL kernel works, a lot of
drivers from newer kernels will have been backported to the 2.6.18 based
kernel, which makes newer hardware work on RHEL kernels.

The RHEL 2.6.18 kernel only sounds old and expired due to its name.  But
the content inside really isn't as old as it sounds like - even though
there are a big part of original 2.6.18 code in it as well.

Check the release notes for more info ... Like for RHEL5.5



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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[yonatan pingle]

partprobe as root should refresh the kernel partition / disk cache
instead of a reboot.


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Robert Heller  wrote:
> At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:27 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list 
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> We have about 50 CentOS servers with software RAID level 1 (mirroring).
>> Each week, we swap out one of the drives (the one in the second of four
>> hot-swap bays, only the first two of which contain drives) on each server
>> and take them offsite for safekeeping.
>>
>> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between /dev/sdb
>> and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This makes the process slower by
>> requiring more manual input where a script(s) could otherwise suffice.
>
> I'm assuming these are actually SATA disks with a controller that
> supports hot-swap.
>
> What I think is happening is that the kernel retains some 'memory' of
> the pulled drive (say /dev/sdb) and when the fresh drive is installed, a
> new dev file is created (/dev/sdc).  Eventually, /dev/sdb is forgotten
> by the time the next 'swap' and /dev/sdb is assigned to the next fresh
> disk.
>
> Question: are you always swapping in a *new* disk each week or
> re-inserting the disk from the previous week?
>
>>
>> It also confuses smartd, which AFAIK, needs the correct device names to
>> report accurately.
>>
>> Ideally, we'd like to force the OS at some level to always see these
>> devices as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.  If not, is there at least some way to
>> configure smartd to be "smart" and recognize which devices are in use?
>
> The cure might be that you need to do a reboot to properly rescan the
> disks.
>
>>
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Re: [CentOS] kmod-e1000e and Intel Network Card

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 16.02.2011 18:09, schrieb Akemi Yagi:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Alexander Dalloz  wrote:

>> Just curious, any specific reason why to choose the ELrepo module over
>> the one coming with the CentOS kernel?
>>
>> I have an RHEL 6 system with an "Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit
>> Network Connection" NIC, where the e1000e module of the RHEL kernel
>> fails to drive the hardware (no traffic possible, strange effects when
>> tcpduming it). With the kmod-e1000e from ELrepo the 2 onboard 82574L
>> NICs now work.
> 
> You may want to look through this ELRepo web site:
> 
> http://elrepo.org/tiki/Driver+Versions
> 
> As for the e1000e driver, the version offered by ELRepo is newer than
> what is in the EL6 kernel. Often times, ELRepo drivers are built from
> the manufacturer's source files, which would not happen with the
> upstream kernels because their source is from kernel.org).
> 
> But if you'd like more info or questions regarding ELRepo's drivers,
> you will need to ask on the ELRepo mailing list.
> 
> Akemi

Thanks Akemi for your response.

I know you are part of the ELrepo team and saw you contributing to a
bugzilla ticket, asking for updating the e1000e kernel module with
recent Intel sources. I understand the point the Red Hat team is making,
when they say, they will only update when the Intel version found their
way into Linus's vanilla kernel tree.

Though I am planning to open an upstream ticket because the 2 Intel
82574L NICs are not usable with plain RHEL 6, but they are using the
ELrepo module. Unfortunately I was not able to trace and dump much
useful information to fill in the ticket besides to note that simply no
network traffic is going through the NICs with the RHEL 6 kernel module.

Sidenote: The e1000e module coming with CentOS 5.5 does drive the Intel
82574L chips correctly on another box. The boards are btw. a Supermicro
X8SIL.

Glad there is the ELrepo! :)

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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/16/2011 12:09 PM, compdoc wrote:
>> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between
>> /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc for these devices.
>
> I use the UUID in fstab rather than '/dev/sda', etc

In this case it would be something you give to mdadm to add a device 
back to a set.  And you'd have to know which one in a rotation was 
coming back to which machine, something you wouldn't otherwise have to 
track since it is going to overwrite everything with the re-sync anyway.

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Re: [CentOS] Blasphemous? any support for a REPO of current edition BIND, et al (e.g., BZ561299)?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Karanbir Singh  wrote:
>
> [1]: I say that with a pinch of salt though - EL6 is a tad overdue. A
> lot of new projects and services need a codebase newer than whats on
> offer in C5.

Karabir,

Should the effort to build community support for an auxiliary repo of
current release RPMs be moved to another list?

Check out 
,
e.g.

Or, if you are interested in more fundamental Internet functions that
must be as close to complete and correct, see

.

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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[Paul A]

No there is only on php.ini on there located in /etc/php.ini, this is so
weird.

-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf
Of Keith Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:56 AM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Paul A wrote:

> To: 'CentOS mailing list' 
> From: Paul A 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2
> 
> Keith/guys thanks for the suggestions, here is what I have 
> found. It shows loaded config file is /etc/php.ini but if 
> I remove that file and restart apache it still works. I 
> also did as Keith suggested I removed a comment ';' and I 
> got no errors apache started and it loaded the 
> /etc/php.ini file. It's just completely ignoring that 
> file, if its there or if its not there.

All I can think of is that you have more than one version of 
PHP installed, and it's looking in a non-standard place for 
the php.ini - possibly under /usr/php-version or 
/usr/local/php-version.

Try a file search on your system, and see how many php.ini 
files you can find there.

Eg.

[root@karsites ~]# locate php.ini
/downloads/php-src/5.2.1/php-5.2.1/php.ini-dist
/downloads/php-src/5.2.1/php-5.2.1/php.ini-recommended
/downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/php.ini-dist
/downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/php.ini-recommended
/downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/tmp-php.ini
/downloads/php-src/5.2.5/php-5.2.5/php.ini-dist
/downloads/php-src/5.2.5/php-5.2.5/php.ini-recommended
/etc/php.ini
/etc/php.ini.bak
/etc/php.ini.centos5-5.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.
ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.
ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.
ini.centos5-5.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.3/php.
ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.3/php.
ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.3/php.
ini.centos5-5.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini.b
ak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-D
BG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-D
BG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-X
DEBUG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-X
DEBUG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini.b
ak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini-DBG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini-DBG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini-XDEBUG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini-XDEBUG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backu
ps/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.1/php.i
ni
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.1/php.i
ni.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.1/php.i
ni.f12.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.i
ni
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.i
ni.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.i
ni.f12.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini.ba
k
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backup
s/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backup
s/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-DB
G
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-DB
G.bak
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EBUG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-XD
EBUG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini.ba
k
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backup
s/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backup
s/php.ini-DBG
/home/keith/my-docs/sy

Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[compdoc]

>The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between
>/dev/sdb and /dev/sdc for these devices.

I use the UUID in fstab rather than '/dev/sda', etc




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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Roger K. Wells]

On 02/16/2011 12:30 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:02:57 -0500 CentOS mailing list  
> wrote:
>
>> Mathieu Baudier wrote:
>>> I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
>>> a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.
>> 
>>> I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could
>>> share their experience (good or bad).
>> Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week
>> or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly
>> approved of.
> I have CentOS 5.5 (i386) running happily on an X31 Thinkpad.  IBM
> laptops are really good laptops.
>
I also have run Centos 5.5 on an X31 and moved to a X200.  The T60 fits 
in between
these in the Thinkpad evolution, IIRC.  It was fine on both and
I had no trouble with wireless on either.  The wireless concern was 
mentioned in another
response on this thread.

good luck,
roger wells
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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[James Smallacombe]

> At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:27 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> We have about 50 CentOS servers with software RAID level 1 (mirroring).
>> Each week, we swap out one of the drives (the one in the second of four
>> hot-swap bays, only the first two of which contain drives) on each
>> server
>> and take them offsite for safekeeping.
>>
>> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between /dev/sdb
>> and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This makes the process slower by
>> requiring more manual input where a script(s) could otherwise suffice.
>
> I'm assuming these are actually SATA disks with a controller that
> supports hot-swap.

Correct.

> What I think is happening is that the kernel retains some 'memory' of
> the pulled drive (say /dev/sdb) and when the fresh drive is installed, a
> new dev file is created (/dev/sdc).  Eventually, /dev/sdb is forgotten
> by the time the next 'swap' and /dev/sdb is assigned to the next fresh
> disk.

Interesting...one would think that this behavior would be consistent
across all servers then, but it isn't.  Most accept the same dev,
/dev/sdb, but some assign /dev/sdc.  Is there a way to just disable
/dev/sdc and force the kernel to use /dev/sdb every time?

> Question: are you always swapping in a *new* disk each week or
> re-inserting the disk from the previous week?

It's a rotation, so re-inserting from the previous week.

>>
>> It also confuses smartd, which AFAIK, needs the correct device names to
>> report accurately.
>>
>> Ideally, we'd like to force the OS at some level to always see these
>> devices as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.  If not, is there at least some way to
>> configure smartd to be "smart" and recognize which devices are in use?
>
> The cure might be that you need to do a reboot to properly rescan the
> disks.

Ugh.  Thanks for your reponse.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 02/16/2011 11:17 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 14:58 +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> Nothing happened, not one person beyond the 
>> usual-people actually did anything.
> 
> When you have time please tell all of us, preferably on this list, what
> resources you need and how 'ordinary' people can help. Give us a list of
> tasks that need doing and optimistically some will volunteer for some of
> the tasks.
> 
> Many of us would willing do the odd task regardless of how boring or
> menial it might be. More enlighten others will gladly do other things to
> help.
> 
> Perhaps a mailing list entitle Centos Devoir (home work / jobs to do)
> could carry a regular list of jobs that need doing ?
> 

Ordinary people can help by having a bugs.centos.org account, by testing
the things that are reported to see if they are issues, etc.

If they are issues, you could search through the Red Hat bugzilla and
see if this issue has been reported upstream and if there is a fix.

You could update the CentOS bugs software with the RH Bugzilla link so
people can look both places.

If you have the knowledge and ability to create patches, you could see
if you can fix said problem, test it in a package that you build.  If it
works, you can attach any any patches you recommend to our bug system
and/or RH's bugzilla.

That is one way anyone can help.

Here is another ...

We need people to answer questions on our Forums when users need help.
If you have knowledge about how to fix things, give the CentOS community
a hand there.

The people that we add to our inner team come from doing those kind of
things.  We see them taking intuitive there and we ask them to do more
things as time goes on.  That is how it works ... no more magic to it
than that.



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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/16/2011 11:06 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
> Again, nothing wrong with their approach (I like Troy in any dealings we
> have had), however it is not what CentOS does or is going to do.  When
> we release, we basically loose meaningful access to our machines for a
> week as dozens of internal servers, hundreds of external mirrors, and
> millions of individual machines get updated.

I thought I saw offers of torrent seeders/bandwidth a while back - and I 
suspect there would be more if you wanted to release betas.  On the 
other hand, it is somewhat evil to ship something without an 
infrastructure in place for updating the bugs that are almost certainly 
going to be included.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[m . roth]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 2/16/2011 10:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>
>> If we could hire 3 or 4 people (and provide any kind of reasonable job
>> security for their future), that might be an option.  Otherwise I think
>> injecting a limited amount of cash into the process just produces hurt
>> feelings and degrades, not improves, the process.
>>
>> That is just one thought ...
>
> Job security -  what's that?

I'll second that - what on *earth* is "job security"? Wait, wait, it's
coming back to me, from the misty past, y'know, like 25 or 30 years
ago...*right*, that's when employers would actually try to hang onto their
employees, and not let them take their skills and knowledge elsewhere, and
even, sometimes, paid them what they were worth

   mark "hasn't been seen in decades (but management thinks
  that they should get this thing they call 'loyalty')"

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:02:57 -0500 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Mathieu Baudier wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
> > a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.
> 
> > I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could
> > share their experience (good or bad).
> 
> Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week
> or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly
> approved of.

I have CentOS 5.5 (i386) running happily on an X31 Thinkpad.  IBM
laptops are really good laptops.

> 
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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:27 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list 
 wrote:

> 
> We have about 50 CentOS servers with software RAID level 1 (mirroring). 
> Each week, we swap out one of the drives (the one in the second of four
> hot-swap bays, only the first two of which contain drives) on each server
> and take them offsite for safekeeping.
> 
> The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between /dev/sdb
> and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This makes the process slower by
> requiring more manual input where a script(s) could otherwise suffice.

I'm assuming these are actually SATA disks with a controller that
supports hot-swap.

What I think is happening is that the kernel retains some 'memory' of
the pulled drive (say /dev/sdb) and when the fresh drive is installed, a
new dev file is created (/dev/sdc).  Eventually, /dev/sdb is forgotten
by the time the next 'swap' and /dev/sdb is assigned to the next fresh
disk.

Question: are you always swapping in a *new* disk each week or
re-inserting the disk from the previous week?

> 
> It also confuses smartd, which AFAIK, needs the correct device names to
> report accurately.
> 
> Ideally, we'd like to force the OS at some level to always see these
> devices as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.  If not, is there at least some way to
> configure smartd to be "smart" and recognize which devices are in use?

The cure might be that you need to do a reboot to properly rescan the
disks.  

> 
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>
> Again, nothing wrong with their approach (I like Troy in any dealings we
> have had), however it is not what CentOS does or is going to do.  When
> we release, we basically loose meaningful access to our machines for a
> week as dozens of internal servers, hundreds of external mirrors, and
> millions of individual machines get updated.

More from the mouths of the Clydesdales give of themeselves so
fruitfully for the benefit of the CentOS community --- another view of
the need clearly identified for those willing to help.

Who is in charge of approaching HP, Dell, Sun/Oracle, SuperMicro et al?

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Always Learning  wrote:
>
> Perhaps a mailing list entitle Centos Devoir (home work / jobs to do)
> could carry a regular list of jobs that need doing ?

+1
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>
> WRT the age of RHEL ... that is what enterprise Linux is.  Fedora (or
> Ubuntu non LTS, or opensuse, or Debian SID, or any number of other
> alternatives) exist if you don't want the more stable (ie, older) items.
>
> Again, nothing wrong with their approach (I like Troy in any dealings we
> have had), however it is not what CentOS does or is going to do.  When
> we release, we basically loose meaningful access to our machines for a
> week as dozens of internal servers, hundreds of external mirrors, and
> millions of individual machines get updated.

1) With industry experts saying things like

"It's fundamentally wrong for RedHat to attempt to backport security patches
for such a fundamental service. I'd cuss a blue streak about this point, in
fact, except that I don't want to trigger the anti-cuss features at
Dr. Vaughn's place of employment."

I think I'll continue with the effort to get RedHat to see the wisdom
wrt certain essential elements of the Internet infrastructure (like
BIND).

2)  Further, I think I'll continue with RedHat/CentOS/SL because I
have the layout of the file system memorized, if for no other reason.
Too much time on "where did they put that?" in Ubuntu/Debian/et al.
Yeah, I should probably stress the 64 year old neurons with memorizing
the Ubuntu file structure, but then I wouldn't have time to post
remarks like these, including prodding the CentOS team to follow
Browning and "grasp beyond their reach." :)

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Re: [CentOS] NIC bonding - missing eth0?

[Cameron Kerr]

On 16/02/2011, at 3:12 PM, Smithies, Russell wrote:
> 
> 802.3ad info
> LACP rate: slow
> Active Aggregator Info:
> Aggregator ID: 19
> Number of ports: 3 
> Actor Key: 17
> Partner Key: 5
> Partner Mac Address: 00:1b:90:3d:90:c0
>  
> Slave Interface: eth0
> MII Status: up
> Link Failure Count: 0
> Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5c
> Aggregator ID: 18<

This is different.

>  
> Slave Interface: eth1
> MII Status: up
> Link Failure Count: 0
> Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5d
> Aggregator ID: 19
>  
> Slave Interface: eth2
> MII Status: up
> Link Failure Count: 0
> Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5e
> Aggregator ID: 19
>  
> Slave Interface: eth3
> MII Status: up
> Link Failure Count: 0
> Permanent HW addr: 1c:c1:de:74:97:5f
> Aggregator ID: 19

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Always Learning]

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 14:58 +, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> Nothing happened, not one person beyond the 
> usual-people actually did anything.

When you have time please tell all of us, preferably on this list, what
resources you need and how 'ordinary' people can help. Give us a list of
tasks that need doing and optimistically some will volunteer for some of
the tasks.

Many of us would willing do the odd task regardless of how boring or
menial it might be. More enlighten others will gladly do other things to
help.

Perhaps a mailing list entitle Centos Devoir (home work / jobs to do)
could carry a regular list of jobs that need doing ?

-- 

With best regards,

Paul.
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Re: [CentOS] Authentication Problems

[John R Pierce]

On 02/16/11 6:27 AM, James Bensley wrote:
> However he always uses the webdev account which lastlog shows as never
> logged in, so when accessing the VPS as the webdev user account are we
> somehow actually accessing the VPS as webmaster? Is it possible the
> VPS providers performed some crazy voodoo magic here?

does webdev and webmaster have the same UID in /etc/passwd ?


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Re: [CentOS] kmod-e1000e and Intel Network Card

[Akemi Yagi]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Alexander Dalloz  wrote:
>
> Just a note about how the ELrepo package works: It sets the original
> kernel module (shipping with the CentOS/RHEL) kernel on a blacklist and
> forces to load the own module instead. Though both modules have the same
> name.
>
> # cat /etc/depmod.d/kmod-e1000e.conf
> override e1000e * weak-updates/e1000e
>
> Just curious, any specific reason why to choose the ELrepo module over
> the one coming with the CentOS kernel?
>
> I have an RHEL 6 system with an "Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit
> Network Connection" NIC, where the e1000e module of the RHEL kernel
> fails to drive the hardware (no traffic possible, strange effects when
> tcpduming it). With the kmod-e1000e from ELrepo the 2 onboard 82574L
> NICs now work.

You may want to look through this ELRepo web site:

http://elrepo.org/tiki/Driver+Versions

As for the e1000e driver, the version offered by ELRepo is newer than
what is in the EL6 kernel. Often times, ELRepo drivers are built from
the manufacturer's source files, which would not happen with the
upstream kernels because their source is from kernel.org).

But if you'd like more info or questions regarding ELRepo's drivers,
you will need to ask on the ELRepo mailing list.

Akemi
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Karanbir Singh  wrote:
>
> I just finished pushing through the 5.6 distro tree's into the distro
> builders ( so isos get built etc and moved to qa ). Was hoping to have
> this done by the weekend but a series of unfortunate incidents ( like
> large scale hdd failures ) meant that things at the $dayjob got a bit
> hectic and this slipped a few days.

There's proof from the horse's mouth that the CentOS team should
follow Browning's advice, namely:

“Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?”

In the old days of direct mail, a good response was 3%.  On a
particularly important project in the early 80s, we achieved 36%
inviting folks to travel internationally to the Paris Air Show with
regard to ruggedized computers.

Given the size of the installed base of CentOS, it should be "kleine
kartoffels" to prevent future delays based on hardware failures, but
let us not get pedantic.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[Always Learning]

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:52 +0100, Mathieu Baudier wrote:

> I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
> a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.

One thing you might, or happily might not, have difficulties with is the
wifi driver.  Most drivers are available from various sources.

C5 is based on kernel 2.6.18. More wifi drivers were added to kernel
2.6.27, I think.  C6 will be based on kernel 2.6.34, I believe.

If you have difficulties with wifi, you'll get help here.

Centos is a splendid choice for laptop reliability. I have it on a
netbook and on a laptop. Its so much better, for me certainly, than
Windoze.


With best regards,

Paul.
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 02/16/2011 10:50 AM, Larry Vaden wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:
>>
>> Apparently there was some confusion around the release of SL 5.6
>> alpha. Troy Dawson cleared it up in his post to the main SL mailing
>> list:
>>
>> http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1102&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&X=78ED2C774C38226BC0&Y=amyagi%40gmail.com&P=6965
> 
> I am not confused;  as a former summer employee at ORINS and ORNL when
> in college 4 decades ago, what's good enough for the national labs is
> good enough for me _now_.  See
> 
> for the gory details of changes since Jan 14.
> 
> Back in the Sputnik days, one had to leaf through meters of Nuclear
> Science Abstracts to find applicable gems;  these days, Troy announces
> on distrowatch.
> 
> I think Troy's (ANL) and Matthias' (CERN) approach is VERY GOOD,
> having released preliminary alpha/beta/gamma code a week after RedHat
> and we have benefited from that with the only inconvenience being that
> the install process starts with boot.iso and required mirroring the SL
> repository in order to avoid load on ANL, which is probably
> unnecessary given they are on Internet2.
> 
> IMHO, "Complete and correct" doesn't exist in the sw world (vs.
> hardware) and Troy's and Matthias' approach is very reasonable and
> timely.
> 
> Which leads me to another favorite point:  has anyone calculated the
> average age of RHEL at release time?

There is nothing wrong with their approach.  However, CentOS has dozens
of internal servers and millions of machines that update against CentOS
repos on our trees that mirrored external of CentOS.

We do not want to distribute things we think are broken or not complete.

WRT the age of RHEL ... that is what enterprise Linux is.  Fedora (or
Ubuntu non LTS, or opensuse, or Debian SID, or any number of other
alternatives) exist if you don't want the more stable (ie, older) items.

Again, nothing wrong with their approach (I like Troy in any dealings we
have had), however it is not what CentOS does or is going to do.  When
we release, we basically loose meaningful access to our machines for a
week as dozens of internal servers, hundreds of external mirrors, and
millions of individual machines get updated.




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[CentOS] Software RAID Level 1, smartd and changing dev numbers

[James Smallacombe]

We have about 50 CentOS servers with software RAID level 1 (mirroring). 
Each week, we swap out one of the drives (the one in the second of four
hot-swap bays, only the first two of which contain drives) on each server
and take them offsite for safekeeping.

The problem is, the kernel seemingly randomly switches between /dev/sdb
and /dev/sdc for these devices.  This makes the process slower by
requiring more manual input where a script(s) could otherwise suffice.

It also confuses smartd, which AFAIK, needs the correct device names to
report accurately.

Ideally, we'd like to force the OS at some level to always see these
devices as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.  If not, is there at least some way to
configure smartd to be "smart" and recognize which devices are in use?

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Re: [CentOS] kmod-e1000e and Intel Network Card

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 16.02.2011 01:27, schrieb Soporte Virtual:
> 2011/2/15 Soporte Virtual :
>> Hi list
>>
>> It's my first message here, but I use CentOS from long time ago (sorry my
>> language, I'm spanish from Colombia)
>>
>> I have a Intel board with an Integrated Network Card 82578DC. I've
>> sucessfully installed the driver with the RPM kmod-e1000e; I've found it in
>> ElRepo.org, and I've installed it via Yum.
>>
>> After I've installed the package (see this:
>> http://lists.elrepo.org/pipermail/elrepo/2010-December/000416.html ), I do:
>>
>> ifdown eth1
>> modprobe -r e1000e
>> ifup eth1
>>
>> After these steps, my card works OK and get a valid IP address. However,
>> when I reboot my machine, I must write those commands again. I've tried to
>> put e1000e in /etc/modprobe.d/blachlist; however, it doesn't works.
>>
>> Does anubody knows what must I do to have my network card working from
>> start?
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
> Hi again, list!
> 
> I've solved it! I've checked in
> /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1, and it had ONBOOT=no.
> With ONBOOT=yes issue was solved.

Glad you were able to solve your problem your own.

Just a note about how the ELrepo package works: It sets the original
kernel module (shipping with the CentOS/RHEL) kernel on a blacklist and
forces to load the own module instead. Though both modules have the same
name.

# cat /etc/depmod.d/kmod-e1000e.conf
override e1000e * weak-updates/e1000e

Just curious, any specific reason why to choose the ELrepo module over
the one coming with the CentOS kernel?

I have an RHEL 6 system with an "Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit
Network Connection" NIC, where the e1000e module of the RHEL kernel
fails to drive the hardware (no traffic possible, strange effects when
tcpduming it). With the kmod-e1000e from ELrepo the 2 onboard 82574L
NICs now work.

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Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2

[Keith Roberts]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Paul A wrote:

> To: 'CentOS mailing list' 
> From: Paul A 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] apache 2 and php 5.2
> 
> Keith/guys thanks for the suggestions, here is what I have 
> found. It shows loaded config file is /etc/php.ini but if 
> I remove that file and restart apache it still works. I 
> also did as Keith suggested I removed a comment ';' and I 
> got no errors apache started and it loaded the 
> /etc/php.ini file. It's just completely ignoring that 
> file, if its there or if its not there.

All I can think of is that you have more than one version of 
PHP installed, and it's looking in a non-standard place for 
the php.ini - possibly under /usr/php-version or 
/usr/local/php-version.

Try a file search on your system, and see how many php.ini 
files you can find there.

Eg.

[root@karsites ~]# locate php.ini
/downloads/php-src/5.2.1/php-5.2.1/php.ini-dist
/downloads/php-src/5.2.1/php-5.2.1/php.ini-recommended
/downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/php.ini-dist
/downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/php.ini-recommended
/downloads/php-src/5.2.4/php-5.2.4/tmp-php.ini
/downloads/php-src/5.2.5/php-5.2.5/php.ini-dist
/downloads/php-src/5.2.5/php-5.2.5/php.ini-recommended
/etc/php.ini
/etc/php.ini.bak
/etc/php.ini.centos5-5.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.ini.centos5-5.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.3/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.3/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.3/php.ini.centos5-5.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backups/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backups/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-DBG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-DBG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-XDEBUG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-XDEBUG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini-DBG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini-DBG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini-XDEBUG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini-XDEBUG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/Centos/5.5/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.1/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.1/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.1/php.ini.f12.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/FEDORA-DEFAULT-PACKAGES/php-5.3.2/php.ini.f12.org
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backups/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.4/tmp-backups/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-DBG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-DBG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-XDEBUG
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini-XDEBUG.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/php.ini.bak
/home/keith/my-docs/system/fedora/12/SELF-COMPILED-PKGS/php-5.2.5/tmp-backups/php.ini
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Akemi Yagi  wrote:
>
> Apparently there was some confusion around the release of SL 5.6
> alpha. Troy Dawson cleared it up in his post to the main SL mailing
> list:
>
> http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1102&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&X=78ED2C774C38226BC0&Y=amyagi%40gmail.com&P=6965

I am not confused;  as a former summer employee at ORINS and ORNL when
in college 4 decades ago, what's good enough for the national labs is
good enough for me _now_.  See

for the gory details of changes since Jan 14.

Back in the Sputnik days, one had to leaf through meters of Nuclear
Science Abstracts to find applicable gems;  these days, Troy announces
on distrowatch.

I think Troy's (ANL) and Matthias' (CERN) approach is VERY GOOD,
having released preliminary alpha/beta/gamma code a week after RedHat
and we have benefited from that with the only inconvenience being that
the install process starts with boot.iso and required mirroring the SL
repository in order to avoid load on ANL, which is probably
unnecessary given they are on Internet2.

IMHO, "Complete and correct" doesn't exist in the sw world (vs.
hardware) and Troy's and Matthias' approach is very reasonable and
timely.

Which leads me to another favorite point:  has anyone calculated the
average age of RHEL at release time?

kind regards/ldv
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/16/2011 10:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
> If we could hire 3 or 4 people (and provide any kind of reasonable job
> security for their future), that might be an option.  Otherwise I think
> injecting a limited amount of cash into the process just produces hurt
> feelings and degrades, not improves, the process.
>
> That is just one thought ...

Job security -  what's that?

Maybe you could pay someone to post the status updates that apparently 
no one else wants to do - and deflect the criticism when the time 
estimates are wrong.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[robert mena]

Hi,

Since I was the one who created this topic (with different purpose) let me
suggest that  after the 5.6/6.0 release consider a 'business model' for the
CentOS.

And by business model I mean take some time to:
a) Evaluate _if_ one or more paid staff would ease some of the taks that
must be done by the core team
b) If a) is true set up a campaign to raise the money pretty much as
wikipedia does (we need X $$ to cover those costs)
c) Prepare some communication protocol for those tasks (technical etc) to
gather more people and let them informed

For me it is hard to offer to help (besides downloading and using the
packages) if I do not know what is really involved, expected to be done or
how much time would be necessary.

For example, let's say I have 1h/day or week to help and no programming
skills. What tasks could I do, and so on.

Again communication.

I have mixed feelings.  In one hand I know this is a
community-driven-no-guarantees and in the other I feel in the dark without
any sense of progress/future and I depend on CentOS for my business.

Since I like the long term support philosophy and being a Fedora/CentOS user
for a long time (i.e like the way the distro works) there is actually no
other option since RedHat ($) is too expensive.

Regards.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 02/16/2011 09:03 AM, Larry Vaden wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Johnny Hughes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Because they also have $dayjobs too ... Oracle (with billions of dollars
> >> and unlimited machines and personnel) just released their el6 on Friday.
> >>
> >> Is there some reason you can't buy RHEL6?
> >
> > Johnny et al,
> >
> > If ya'll are masochists (as might be indicated by the turning off of
> > even the donation input if I understand correctly), then hit DELETE
> > now.  Of course, like Dennis Miller, I could be wrong about that.
> >
> > You hear/read quite a few folks saying the equivalent of something
> > like "corporations favor subscriptions over donations.'
> >
> > Give them a chance to put their money where their mouth is :)
> >
> > A friend at FedEx told me yesterday they buy the $8600 licenses from
> > Redhat and the $10K plus licenses from VMware and feel good about it
> > because there is a team taking care of their security at the OS level.
> >
> > While it wouldn't produce "unlimited machines and personnel," if you
> > could find a wordsmith/lawyer on the list or elsewhere who is willing
> > to pro bono wordsmith "subcribe/donate" in a fashion acceptable to the
> > CentOS core team, thus keeping you folks happy that you are only
> > getting donations rather than subscriptions, it seems like you could
> > at least raise enough money for a couple of the fastest machines known
> > to man to help with the builds.
>
> The problem will be that if you PAY anyone for doing things, everyone
> wants to be paid.  (Remember the Ubuntu fiasco with getting a release
> done).
>
> The CentOS Project can not afford to hire and pay someone a full salary
> to do nothing but CentOS full time.  If the project could do that, then
> they would.  But, if they did hire said person, then what would the
> OTHER volunteer guys do?  Why would they stay around if "Billy Bob" is
> getting paid for his work?
>
> If we could hire 3 or 4 people (and provide any kind of reasonable job
> security for their future), that might be an option.  Otherwise I think
> injecting a limited amount of cash into the process just produces hurt
> feelings and degrades, not improves, the process.
>
> That is just one thought ...
>
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>
> The CentOS Project can not afford to hire and pay someone a full salary
> to do nothing but CentOS full time.  If the project could do that, then
> they would.  But, if they did hire said person, then what would the
> OTHER volunteer guys do?  Why would they stay around if "Billy Bob" is
> getting paid for his work?

That can change provided the core team wants it to.  AFAIK, perhaps
the team wants to remain volunteers.  AFAIK, the team would like to
leave their job$ and become full time CentOS folks.  I dunno which and
it may vary with team member.

> If we could hire 3 or 4 people (and provide any kind of reasonable job
> security for their future), that might be an option.  Otherwise I think
> injecting a limited amount of cash into the process just produces hurt
> feelings and degrades, not improves, the process.
>
> That is just one thought ...

Is there an URL which describes what the CentOS team is in most need
of?  e.g., the fastest build server known to man ?  e.g., monies to
send to RedHat for licenses?  yada 3, ..., yada n.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Akemi Yagi]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge, you are running BETA's or ALPHA's and not
> "released" 5.6 products for SL 5.6 ...
>
> http://www.scientificlinux.org/distributions
>
> Or maybe I am missing something?

Apparently there was some confusion around the release of SL 5.6
alpha. Troy Dawson cleared it up in his post to the main SL mailing
list:

http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1102&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&X=78ED2C774C38226BC0&Y=amyagi%40gmail.com&P=6965

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 02/16/2011 09:03 AM, Larry Vaden wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>>
>> Because they also have $dayjobs too ... Oracle (with billions of dollars
>> and unlimited machines and personnel) just released their el6 on Friday.
>>
>> Is there some reason you can't buy RHEL6?
> 
> Johnny et al,
> 
> If ya'll are masochists (as might be indicated by the turning off of
> even the donation input if I understand correctly), then hit DELETE
> now.  Of course, like Dennis Miller, I could be wrong about that.
> 
> You hear/read quite a few folks saying the equivalent of something
> like "corporations favor subscriptions over donations.'
> 
> Give them a chance to put their money where their mouth is :)
> 
> A friend at FedEx told me yesterday they buy the $8600 licenses from
> Redhat and the $10K plus licenses from VMware and feel good about it
> because there is a team taking care of their security at the OS level.
> 
> While it wouldn't produce "unlimited machines and personnel," if you
> could find a wordsmith/lawyer on the list or elsewhere who is willing
> to pro bono wordsmith "subcribe/donate" in a fashion acceptable to the
> CentOS core team, thus keeping you folks happy that you are only
> getting donations rather than subscriptions, it seems like you could
> at least raise enough money for a couple of the fastest machines known
> to man to help with the builds.

The problem will be that if you PAY anyone for doing things, everyone
wants to be paid.  (Remember the Ubuntu fiasco with getting a release done).

The CentOS Project can not afford to hire and pay someone a full salary
to do nothing but CentOS full time.  If the project could do that, then
they would.  But, if they did hire said person, then what would the
OTHER volunteer guys do?  Why would they stay around if "Billy Bob" is
getting paid for his work?

If we could hire 3 or 4 people (and provide any kind of reasonable job
security for their future), that might be an option.  Otherwise I think
injecting a limited amount of cash into the process just produces hurt
feelings and degrades, not improves, the process.

That is just one thought ...



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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[David Sommerseth]

On 16/02/11 16:40, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, David Sommerseth wrote:
>> However, let this be a discussion after CentOS5.6 and CentOS6 is released.
>>   Rather start a new fresh thread when everyone (especially developers) have
>> had some rest after the releases.
> 
> 
> Right, well volunteered to setup and get this conversation traction once 
> the time-is-right :)

Of course, if I just had a concrete date to aim for, I could set up a
reminder in my calender ;-)  (just kidding of course!)


David S.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 on a Thinkpad T60 laptop

[m . roth]

Mathieu Baudier wrote:
>
> I'm considering buying a second-hand Thinkpad T60 (with 2 GB RAM), as
> a secondary laptop in order to run CentOS 5 on the field.

> I would be grateful if people having used CentOS on this model could
> share their experience (good or bad).

Oddly enough, I asked on another techie mailing list I'm on just last week
or so, for someone I know considering a laptop, and a T60 was greatly
approved of.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 02/16/2011 09:20 AM, Larry Vaden wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>>
>> As I said before, Oracle has not had their stuff released for very long
>> and while Scientific Linus has released some Alpha/Beta stuff along the
>> way, they also have not released 5.6 or 6.0 either.  This is not easy.
>> It takes time.
> 
> Johnny,
> 
> A minor correction;  Oracle released late last month and SL released
> even earlier per the first trouble report at
> ,
> namely:
> 
> • 5.6 release history:
> – RedHat released RHEL 5.6 on 13-Jan
> – CERN released SLC 5.6 on 20-Jan
> – FNAL released SL 5.6 last week
> 
> We've been running SL 5.6 for quite some time (ONLY ON CERTAIN BOXEN
> while waiting on CentOS).

To the best of my knowledge, you are running BETA's or ALPHA's and not
"released" 5.6 products for SL 5.6 ...

http://www.scientificlinux.org/distributions

Or maybe I am missing something?



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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Karanbir Singh]

Hi,

On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, David Sommerseth wrote:
> However, let this be a discussion after CentOS5.6 and CentOS6 is released.
>   Rather start a new fresh thread when everyone (especially developers) have
> had some rest after the releases.


Right, well volunteered to setup and get this conversation traction once 
the time-is-right :)

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Re: [CentOS] Looking for back versions of centos 3

[Bowie Bailey]

On 2/14/2011 1:23 AM, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm rebuilding a server with Oracle RAC and I wasn't sure exactly
> what version of RedHat was used to build it originally.  Centos 5.5
> results in the external iscsi volumes being improperly sized.  It turns
> out Centos 3.5 works.  Once, many years ago, someone told me he wouldn't
> tackle a job he was 100 percent sure of.  This is one of those so I'm
> doing this very gingerly to avoide losing the DB on the raw disk

If you are going with CentOS 3, you might as well go ahead and get 3.9.

3.5 + security updates = 3.9

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[David Sommerseth]

On 16/02/11 15:58, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On 02/16/2011 12:50 PM, David Sommerseth wrote:
>> Exactly!  Supporters who could most probably do even more, than just to sit
>> here idle waiting for the next release - if we only knew what the issues
>> are they are facing.
> 
> So what happened in the early days of when EL6 came out - we asked 
> people to help, there were many threads on how people could get involved 
> ( on the centos-devel list, which is - I am sure you will agree, the 
> appropriate place ). Nothing happened, not one person beyond the 
> usual-people actually did anything.

I understand centos-devel might seem to be the proper place to ask for
help.  But sometimes, I believe it's better to have a much broader audience
for such messages.

However, let this be a discussion after CentOS5.6 and CentOS6 is released.
 Rather start a new fresh thread when everyone (especially developers) have
had some rest after the releases.

[...snip...]
> Now the bit that really cheeses me off is that we cant go through the 
> same loop again and again everytime someone new comes along and cant be 
> bothered to see what has happened in the past. I am not saying you did 
> this, its possible you didnt know about the existence of these threads 
> on centos-devel etc.

This I've been seeing in many other projects as well.  However, those
places where this happens the least, are where there are some communication
of the progress.

And I admit I have not paid too much attention to the centos-devel list.
Basically, because I know the next CentOS releases will come when they
come.  But I would like to know more about the progress, which has been my
agenda in today's mails.  That is something which, in my eyes (I might be
wrong though), belongs more to this generic list.

> To cut a long story short - lots of people who use centos dont 
> understand what the project is about, what we do, why we do it and how 
> they can help. On the other hand, we also seem unable to hold people's 
> attention ( and i mean people at large, not just the centos community ) 
> in order to get them thinking about the project ( and not the distro, 
> remember project != distro, needs of the hour are trivial, needs for the 
> project to sustain and exist are more important ).

And this is indeed challenging.  And you probably need a combination of
what Fedora does with their ambassadors and what Canonical manages with
profiling Ubuntu as a Linux distribution for "everyone", to be able to get
the "people at large" scale.

Unfortunately, CentOS will most likely be for a more narrow group ... those
who wants a stable release for a long time.  Which basically ends up mostly
being on servers, as the desktop side needs to be much more a moving target
against newer versions.  And this is practically the same issues RHEL
fights with as well.

> We can try to solve these problems now, or we can get the distro's out - 
> then goto solving these issues. As many have suggested, and I partially 
> buy into - solving the problems while there is a need for the distro is 
> likely to get a better and wider reception. On the other hand, getting 
> the distro's out gets more urgent with every package release upstream 
> and app release side-stream / internet / inhouse etc.

I agree with you, that solving issues is definitely the way to go.
However, when you only solve issues along the way without providing any
information on why things takes time - and it begins to take a lot of time,
then people begin to want to see results.

Again, as I've said many times today, providing *some* information on the
progress can calm things down for a while.  But keeping people in the
darkness, will result in a lot of noise.

> The problems can be solved. Of all similar projects I know of and have 
> had the privilege to be a part of, none come close to the maturity and 
> pragmatic thought levels that the CentOS community has. On the other 
> hand, the drive-by posters and people with random fluff to 
> not-really-contribute are always going to an issue. I guess its 
> reasonable to expect them around as well, serves as a nice reminder as 
> to what the extreme sets are.

Absolutely!

> For now, as was really decided on the centos-devel list, lets just do 
> things the way centos has in the past. lets get the distro's out - and 
> then look at solving specific issues. The whole idea that people cant 
> help is just noise, hopefully the website ver2 project will make that 
> visible a bit more than has been so far. I do know that once the 
> distro's are out; the number of people wanting to 'help' is also going 
> to fall drastically. On the other hand, the ones who do stick around are 
> all people who really do want to help!

Good!  And it's a good thing that you're looking into more visibility.  I
believe this can remove, or at least reduce, some of the impatience and
restlessness which can be found on this list.

People come and go, in all kind of project

Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Karanbir Singh]

KB,

On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 09:58:31 am Karanbir Singh wrote:
 
> Now the bit that really cheeses me off is that we cant go through the
> same loop again and again everytime someone new comes along and cant be
> bothered to see what has happened in the past.


This is off list since I didn't want to start an argument with anyone. I was 
(until Oracle pretty efficiently pissed everyone off) in the same boat as you. 
In my experience there are some people out there that are willing to help out, 
but they unfortunately always seem to offer their help when you are already 
working hard. 
I've been on the centos lists for quite a while and I've seen the offers for 
help and then how it just fizzles out. But all these loops were just before a 
major release. After that, people are off upgrading their own boxes to the 
latest release, working around the changes that happened and so on. 

We had similar issues and we got it (mostly) solved by asking people to help 
between major releases. That way, we had time to focus on getting the bugs 
fixed that were always reported right after a new release and then when there 
was less work (I'd assume for you that is a few weeks after 5.6 and 6.0 are 
out) you can spend some time on teaching others what they have to do. It 
solves the problem of doing double duty as well as reduces the number of 
people that offer help just so they can get quicker access or get their name 
into the code with as little effort as possible. Its really a win-win - you 
get fewer people to guide and the people you do get are of higher "quality" - 
more motivated, more focused and fewer that take cheap shots to get their name 
into a project somewhere...

Thanks for all your hard work on the project,

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Scott Robbins  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:54:14PM +0100, Morten P.D. Stevens wrote:
>>
>> 2011/2/16 Johnny Hughes :
>> >
>>
>> No, the sources are here:
>> http://oss.oracle.com/ol6/
>>
>> And the RPMs:
>> http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/0/base/
>
> Note that, according to its FAQ, the repo is only the contents of the
> install media.  It will not provide updates, not even security updates.
>
> To further aggravate me, at least, if no one else, Oracle does not yet
> (as of today, at least), support Oracle Linux 6 as a hardware platform
> for Oracle database.

Well, if you believe in YUM (as I want to and do to the limit of my
understanding), that's not a problem unless Seth Vidal says it is.

That said, I believe there are a couple of hurdles that Oracle threw
in to make it more difficult, but I have watched a lot of Dennis
Miller and could be wrong about that.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Karanbir Singh]

On 02/16/2011 03:20 PM, Morten P.D. Stevens wrote:
> Karanbir, this is not quite right. And you know it.
> I offered my help for testing. (qa process)

A very large part - if not all - of the qa effort is branding and role 
specific within centos. Most of the other things only contribute towards 
documentation - not the release process itself. Of course there are 
exceptions ( like the installer... ) but not many

> You have offered me to help with packages that need upstream branding 
> removed. This is very difficult to realize when the primary mailing list 
> (centos-qa) is completely closed to outsiders.

This is a bit of a confused state of things - and I am not sure what can 
we done about clearing out the situation that the -qa list does not have 
any C6 specific / testing / branding anything content on there.

One idea is to rename the QA team into what it really is - the Release 
team, and have a whitelist based package tree available to a larger 
number of people ( but still not public - we cant do public builds, and 
thats already been covered extensively )

> Many people (including me) would like to CentOS help if the development 
> process would be more open.

You will need to speak to Red Hat about that; Because the centos 
development community all have @redhat.com email address :) So the 
question here really is : how best can we communicate that to a wider 
audience and have that idea persist ?

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Scott Robbins]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:54:14PM +0100, Morten P.D. Stevens wrote:
> 
> 2011/2/16 Johnny Hughes :
> >
> 
> No, the sources are here:
> http://oss.oracle.com/ol6/
> 
> And the RPMs:
> http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/0/base/

Note that, according to its FAQ, the repo is only the contents of the
install media.  It will not provide updates, not even security updates.

To further aggravate me, at least, if no one else, Oracle does not yet
(as of today, at least), support Oracle Linux 6 as a hardware platform
for Oracle database.  
> 


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Re: [CentOS] Authentication Problems

[James Bensley]

Ok, everything is fixed now. I spoke with the VPS providers;

The jailed shell was removed from the webdev user (and the webmaster
user?) and they reset the password. I logged into ssh as the webdev
user to change the password and they told me off for trying and said I
must do it through WHM/cPanel. I suspect there is some crazy
arrangement here I don't know about and there is some link between
those two accounts. When I tried (apparently wrongly) to change the
webdev users password I still got "passwd: Authentication token
manipulation error" but they said to leave it alone?!

I'm just glad its over, thanks everyone for your support :D

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Morten P.D. Stevens]

2011/2/16 Karanbir Singh :
> On 02/16/2011 02:22 PM, Morten P.D. Stevens wrote:
>> The best example is Scientific Linux. There are schedules and an open 
>> development process.
>>
>> What is the reason for the closed development process in CentOS?
>
> Its funny you say that Morten, since you actually offered to help. Didnt
> you ? But then when I asked you to look at something specific, you
> backed off saying you had other things to do ( I remember being quite
> taken aback by your response at the time ).
>
> Why you dont you just stick to lurking, since you clearly dont actually
> want to do anything to help - just get in the way and try to make a lot
> of noise you dont either understand or want to put any effort into
> understanding.
>
> Would you call that a fair take on the state of your envolvement Morten ?

Karanbir, this is not quite right. And you know it. 
I offered my help for testing. (qa process)

You have offered me to help with packages that need upstream branding removed. 
This is very difficult to realize when the primary mailing list (centos-qa) is 
completely closed to outsiders.

Many people (including me) would like to CentOS help if the development process 
would be more open.

I think you are doing a great job with CentOS! And for that you have my full 
appreciation.

Best regards,

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Larry Vaden]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>
> As I said before, Oracle has not had their stuff released for very long
> and while Scientific Linus has released some Alpha/Beta stuff along the
> way, they also have not released 5.6 or 6.0 either.  This is not easy.
> It takes time.

Johnny,

A minor correction;  Oracle released late last month and SL released
even earlier per the first trouble report at
,
namely:

• 5.6 release history:
– RedHat released RHEL 5.6 on 13-Jan
– CERN released SLC 5.6 on 20-Jan
– FNAL released SL 5.6 last week

We've been running SL 5.6 for quite some time (ONLY ON CERTAIN BOXEN
while waiting on CentOS).

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Karanbir Singh]

On 02/16/2011 03:03 PM, Larry Vaden wrote:
> You hear/read quite a few folks saying the equivalent of something
> like "corporations favor subscriptions over donations.'
>
> Give them a chance to put their money where their mouth is :)

I believe we are working on making that happen, a few things need to 
come together on the project side of things first. Lets say early summer 
this year, we should have something in place.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Karanbir Singh]

On 02/16/2011 03:11 PM, David Sommerseth wrote:
> If whoever wants to help out in a community project, and then see that when
> a task come and then gives a response that this was the wrong timing, due
> to other obligations - this is pretty fair response.

Not really. If someone says 'what can i do right now to help make X 
happen' and gets a response 'do this please' - a fair response would be 
'i'd rather do things like Z or A, and not this;'. I dont think a 
response along the lines of 'I want my name in the list, I would like 
early access' but am willing to do nothing to help is fair. Either open 
source or otherwise.

> Committing to a community project does not mean you have the resources
> available for your disposal whenever you need it.  People committing to a
> community project just gives you an idea that people are interested in
> helping out.

To me, the idea of commuting to something is committing to something. If 
you dont have the time or resource or willingness to really help, don't 
waste other peoples time.

> Even though I do not know the background for this attack,  I do dislike
> this kind of personal attacks - at least in the full public.  I'm
> disappointed to see such happening here by the key people in the CentOS
> community.

its not an attack at all, its where things stand. Besides, Morten and I 
have had this conversation in the past as well.

- KB

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

[Karanbir Singh]

Hi David,

its me again :)

On 02/15/2011 05:11 PM, David Hornford wrote:
> "When will CentOS 6 be out?"
> "The CentOS team does not have a fixed release schedule following an
> upstream release. The release timeframe is based upon the number of bugs

In many cases's its still helpful to have some sort of a timeframe in 
mind. Eg. for 5.6 we were hoping to start seeding last weekend, but it 
looks like were slipping 3 - 4 days on that now.

Similarly with C6, getting a release ready for end of this month isnt 
hard and *should* happen.

In many cases, the slippage happens with a : people doing this just 
didnt have enough time during the period. And that isnt, contrary to 
what many people think, an easy problem to solve. For every new person 
who becomes a part of the process - it needs a significant time on the 
part of people doing this stuff to bring that person upto speed. So 
doing this at a time when its pretty much nose on the grinding stone 
kind of pace, isn't ideal. On the other hand, having people who stick 
around and understand the process, when there isnt a deadline looming is 
hard and counter productive. A lesson learnt the hard way with the c6 
effort in the first few weeks.

Anyway, I'm not trying to solve any issue here - just putting my 
perspective across.

- KB

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