Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On 08/28/11 8:37 PM, Always Learning wrote: > The i686 is an i386 32 bit CPU and needs PAE to address more than 64 GB. it needs PAE to address more than 4GB -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On 08/28/11 7:33 PM, ken wrote: >> Recently someone wrote that PAE related to i386 but was not required for >> > x64. What CPU type is your target machine ? > Broadly speaking it's a pentium i686, but without pae. The fact that > this machine is excluded from RH/CentOS doesn't bode well for Linux. its late 2011, the world is finally moving to 64bit as the primary platform.this doesn't bode well for your old 32bit-only CPU.a 32bit only CPU can no longer be considered enterprise grade. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 22:33 -0400, ken wrote: > On 08/28/2011 09:17 PM Always Learning wrote: > Broadly speaking it's a pentium i686, but without pae. The fact that > this machine is excluded from RH/CentOS doesn't bode well for Linux. The i686 is an i386 32 bit CPU and needs PAE to address more than 64 GB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29 states about the i686:- "PAE and wider 36-bit address bus to support 64 GB of physical memory (the linear address space of a process was still limited to 4 GB)." > Well, since I've got two or three other machines I'm either upgrading or > installing linux on, machines that are older than this one, I guess I'm > done with RH/CentOS. Is your use of a particular Intel CPU really to blame and not necessarily Centos ? You could stay with Centos 5.x and upgrade to 5.7 when it becomes available. You do not have to upgrade to Centos 6. If the motherboard is fairly modern, and has the correct type of CPU socket, you may be able to replace the CPU for a PAE one. > > I'm waiting for Centos 6.1 before I try version 6. > > Do you think hardware restrictions will be lessened in 6.1? No. I think many initial teething problems will be solved and installation bugs, if any, will be reduced or eliminated. I'm letting the more daring and adventurous folk with lots of spare time discover the problems. When M$ introduced Windows 3, they had to create version 3.1 because of the problems. Even that had bugs so Windows 3.11 was introduced. The same with M$ DOS 6, the eventual stable version was 6.22. The same with Windows 98. That had to be followed by 98 version 2 (Second Edition) and then version 3 (Millennium Edition). Centos is a lot more reliable but there are usually some odd problems with a major upgrade. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On 08/28/2011 09:17 PM Always Learning wrote: > On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:06 -0400, ken wrote: > >> When I downloaded the iso for 6.0 install, K3b said the iso wouldn't fit >> on the blank DVD. > > I remember reading that there are two main DVD formats + and -. One has > (more?) error correction than the other and therefore everything may not > fit on that type of DVD. Centos 5.6 for X64 requires 2 DVDs. Okay, that's the problem. Well, it shouldn't be a problem really, but that's why I have it and others don't. > > Which version did you download ? Yeah, it was the i386. > >> So I downloaded and burned the LiveDVD. When I boot it, I get the blue >> splash screen (it says "CentOS... Community Enterprise OS on the bottom, >> logo to the right), but nothing else comes up. Hitting various keys >> does nothing. > > Are you able to do a read integrity test of any of the DVDs ? The md5sum on the download checked out. I didn't verify the copy of the burned DVD though. I burned the DVD from the CLI with growiso. I couldn't think immediately how to do an md5sum on the DVD, so didn't. I just googled for how to do this. The info I found wasn't helpful. > >> Downloaded and burned the Netinstall CD. It gives an error message that >> it can't install because the machine's CPU doesn't have pae. > > Recently someone wrote that PAE related to i386 but was not required for > x64. What CPU type is your target machine ? Broadly speaking it's a pentium i686, but without pae. The fact that this machine is excluded from RH/CentOS doesn't bode well for Linux. > >> So is it the end of CentOS/RH for this machine? (I can't believe that. >> One of the great things about Linux has always been that it'll run on >> old hardware.) Or are these fixable problems? Or are there workarounds? > > That used to be true but it is inevitable as 'modern' distributions get > more capable not all current distributions cater for older spec. > equipment. I hear there are other, non-Centos, distributions that do > cater for less technically advanced machines. Well, since I've got two or three other machines I'm either upgrading or installing linux on, machines that are older than this one, I guess I'm done with RH/CentOS. > > I'm waiting for Centos 6.1 before I try version 6. Do you think hardware restrictions will be lessened in 6.1? > >> Or should I go for a different distribution? > > Have you tried Scientific Linux ? It is another Red Hat clone closely(?) > related to Centos. Thanks for the tip. I'll have a look. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On 08/28/2011 09:15 PM Jorge Fábregas wrote: > On 08/28/2011 09:06 PM, ken wrote: >> When I downloaded the iso for 6.0 install, K3b said the iso wouldn't fit >> on the blank DVD. > > Hi, > >>From the 6.0 Release Notes here: > > "The i386 DVD is just a bit too large to fit on normal single layer > DVD+R media. It can be burnt successfully on DVD-R or dual-layer media." > > HTH, > Jorge Thanks, Jorge. That's what I suspected. Yeah, I have the DVD+R/W. It would be nice if the download page mentioned that. Save people some time and effort. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:06 -0400, ken wrote: > When I downloaded the iso for 6.0 install, K3b said the iso wouldn't fit > on the blank DVD. I remember reading that there are two main DVD formats + and -. One has (more?) error correction than the other and therefore everything may not fit on that type of DVD. Centos 5.6 for X64 requires 2 DVDs. Which version did you download ? > So I downloaded and burned the LiveDVD. When I boot it, I get the blue > splash screen (it says "CentOS... Community Enterprise OS on the bottom, > logo to the right), but nothing else comes up. Hitting various keys > does nothing. Are you able to do a read integrity test of any of the DVDs ? > Downloaded and burned the Netinstall CD. It gives an error message that > it can't install because the machine's CPU doesn't have pae. Recently someone wrote that PAE related to i386 but was not required for x64. What CPU type is your target machine ? > So is it the end of CentOS/RH for this machine? (I can't believe that. > One of the great things about Linux has always been that it'll run on > old hardware.) Or are these fixable problems? Or are there workarounds? That used to be true but it is inevitable as 'modern' distributions get more capable not all current distributions cater for older spec. equipment. I hear there are other, non-Centos, distributions that do cater for less technically advanced machines. I'm waiting for Centos 6.1 before I try version 6. > Or should I go for a different distribution? Have you tried Scientific Linux ? It is another Red Hat clone closely(?) related to Centos. Paul. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
On 08/28/2011 09:06 PM, ken wrote: > When I downloaded the iso for 6.0 install, K3b said the iso wouldn't fit > on the blank DVD. Hi, >From the 6.0 Release Notes here: "The i386 DVD is just a bit too large to fit on normal single layer DVD+R media. It can be burnt successfully on DVD-R or dual-layer media." HTH, Jorge ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] 6.0 Media problems
When I downloaded the iso for 6.0 install, K3b said the iso wouldn't fit on the blank DVD. So I downloaded and burned the LiveDVD. When I boot it, I get the blue splash screen (it says "CentOS... Community Enterprise OS on the bottom, logo to the right), but nothing else comes up. Hitting various keys does nothing. Downloaded and burned the Netinstall CD. It gives an error message that it can't install because the machine's CPU doesn't have pae. So is it the end of CentOS/RH for this machine? (I can't believe that. One of the great things about Linux has always been that it'll run on old hardware.) Or are these fixable problems? Or are there workarounds? Or should I go for a different distribution? -- War is a failure of the imagination. --William Blake ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Timo Neuvonen > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:08 PM > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0 > > >> > Can anyone pls tell me if a ThinkServer TS130 with a > E3-1225 Xeon > >> > processor is compatible with CentOS 6.0? I would like to > >> upgrade from > >> > 5.6 but my hardware will not allow me to do so. > >> > >> Intel > >> Quad-core > >> 3.10 GHz > >> L2 Cache 1 MB > >> L3 Cache 6 MB > >> 64-bit Processing > >> * Turbo Boost Technology > >> * Virtualization Technology > >> * Trusted Execution Technology > >> * Extended Memory 64 Technology > >> Platform: PC > >> > >> Seems OK, what specific problems are you having ? > > > > Sorry, I meant the hardware I have now is preventing me > from upgrading > > to 6.0 > > > > I just want to make sure CentOS 6.0 would have the > necessary drivers > > for the on board video, ethernet, etc., for the TS130 before I make > > the purchase. > > > Not absolutely sure about this, but I think E3-series is very > close to 2nd generation i3/i5/i7. > > A while ago I installed CentOS 6.0 to Acer 7550 laptop that > uses integrated Intel HD Graphics of i5 CPU. > All I got with 6.0 kernels was vesa 1024x768 resolution. I > found out 6.1 shoud fix this. Since CentOS 6.1 wasn't out > then, I installed kernel from Scientific Linux 6.1 (another > RHEL clone) and theafter I got very nice graphics -and > high-resolution console also in runlevel 3 to my CentOS 6 laptop. > > So, I would say 6.0 doesn't support Intel graphics of that > CPU, but 6.1 should do it. Don't know about network etc, but > at least it fixes the graphics -I guess that server uses > integrated graphics since they've chosen a CPU that has it. > TiN, Graphics are the least concern as this will be a server not a workstation. My eyesight can't much see more than 800x600 anyway. But, thanks for your response, its much appreciated! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Devin Reade > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 1:46 PM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0 > > It looks like the TS130 is a scaled down version of the TS430. > The RedHat hardware certification catalog shows the TS430 as > certified for 5.6 and 6, so it looks promising. > > It looks like HP also has certified hardware on RHEL with the > C206 chipset. > > Caveat Emptor of course. I have no direct or conclusive > information on the TS130. > > Devin Not like I'm spending my life savings or anything, but that's what I was thinking as well. Still, I would like to make sure CentOS 6.x will install. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Update to CentOS 6.0 without CD/DVD reader
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:55 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 08/28/11 6:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Now I'm wondering what is the best way to install CentOS-6, >> given that there is no CD/DVD driver on this machine. >> >> I have access to the internet, so I can download the CD/DVD . >> I know I could install through a USB stick; >> I'm just wondering if there is a more direct route. > > A) PXE boot and do a network installation aka kickstart. This would, > of course, require another 'nix system on the LAN running DHCP, TFTP, > and NFS > > B) boot a USB stick with the Netinstall image, and point it at a http > URL of the centos repository, which could be either a local mirror or > one on the internet somewhere as long as your internet is reasonably > fast and stable. I'd suggest doing a bare minimal install this way, > then adding other stuff post-install with yum. Or, boot the Netinstall image and do an NFS intall from your local copy. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 11:37 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: >> The problem with forums is that if you have more than a couple of >> interests you kill the whole day bouncing around in a web browser >> logging into them and figuring out their user interface differences. >> Could the rss feed be made a little more obvious? It might work to >> plug it into google reader or other feed consolidator. > > Forums = too slow > = too much hard work for little gain > Emails = instant > = quick > = easy I agree in principle, but remember that you are really interacting with your own tools, so if they are slow or inconvenient you can use a different tool. There are some email readers (Apple's, at least) that handle rss feeds pretty much the same as email. Google reader or other feed aggregators make it easy to read a bunch from different sources all in one place with whatever groupings you like - and always maintain the same 'unread' view across different client browsers or phone apps. So, if the forums provide a usable rss feed, reading them shouldn't be that bad, even though you have to follow the links to read longer messages and reply. Seems to work fine for the QA forum, anyway. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Update to CentOS 6.0 without CD/DVD reader
On 08/28/11 6:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Now I'm wondering what is the best way to install CentOS-6, > given that there is no CD/DVD driver on this machine. > > I have access to the internet, so I can download the CD/DVD . > I know I could install through a USB stick; > I'm just wondering if there is a more direct route. A) PXE boot and do a network installation aka kickstart. This would, of course, require another 'nix system on the LAN running DHCP, TFTP, and NFS B) boot a USB stick with the Netinstall image, and point it at a http URL of the centos repository, which could be either a local mirror or one on the internet somewhere as long as your internet is reasonably fast and stable. I'd suggest doing a bare minimal install this way, then adding other stuff post-install with yum. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
>> > Can anyone pls tell me if a ThinkServer TS130 with a E3-1225 Xeon >> > processor is compatible with CentOS 6.0? I would like to >> upgrade from >> > 5.6 but my hardware will not allow me to do so. >> >> Intel >> Quad-core >> 3.10 GHz >> L2 Cache 1 MB >> L3 Cache 6 MB >> 64-bit Processing >> * Turbo Boost Technology >> * Virtualization Technology >> * Trusted Execution Technology >> * Extended Memory 64 Technology >> Platform: PC >> >> Seems OK, what specific problems are you having ? > > Sorry, I meant the hardware I have now is preventing me from upgrading to > 6.0 > > I just want to make sure CentOS 6.0 would have the necessary drivers for > the > on board video, ethernet, etc., for the TS130 before I make the purchase. Not absolutely sure about this, but I think E3-series is very close to 2nd generation i3/i5/i7. A while ago I installed CentOS 6.0 to Acer 7550 laptop that uses integrated Intel HD Graphics of i5 CPU. All I got with 6.0 kernels was vesa 1024x768 resolution. I found out 6.1 shoud fix this. Since CentOS 6.1 wasn't out then, I installed kernel from Scientific Linux 6.1 (another RHEL clone) and theafter I got very nice graphics -and high-resolution console also in runlevel 3 to my CentOS 6 laptop. So, I would say 6.0 doesn't support Intel graphics of that CPU, but 6.1 should do it. Don't know about network etc, but at least it fixes the graphics -I guess that server uses integrated graphics since they've chosen a CPU that has it. -- TiN ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
It looks like the TS130 is a scaled down version of the TS430. The RedHat hardware certification catalog shows the TS430 as certified for 5.6 and 6, so it looks promising. It looks like HP also has certified hardware on RHEL with the C206 chipset. Caveat Emptor of course. I have no direct or conclusive information on the TS130. Devin -- Give me ambiguity or give me something else. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
On 8/28/2011 12:43 PM, Thomas Dukes wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org >> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Always Learning >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:31 PM >> To: CentOS mailing list >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0 >> >> >> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 12:29 -0400, Thomas Dukes wrote: >> >>> Can anyone pls tell me if a ThinkServer TS130 with a E3-1225 Xeon >>> processor is compatible with CentOS 6.0? I would like to >> upgrade from >>> 5.6 but my hardware will not allow me to do so. >> Intel >> Quad-core >> 3.10 GHz >> L2 Cache 1 MB >> L3 Cache 6 MB >> 64-bit Processing >>* Turbo Boost Technology >>* Virtualization Technology >>* Trusted Execution Technology >>* Extended Memory 64 Technology >> Platform: PC >> >> Seems OK, what specific problems are you having ? > Sorry, I meant the hardware I have now is preventing me from upgrading to > 6.0 > > I just want to make sure CentOS 6.0 would have the necessary drivers for the > on board video, ethernet, etc., for the TS130 before I make the purchase. I > just don't want to be in the same boat as I'm in now. > > I have bought a PC in eight years so I just want to make sure its going to > run 6.0. > > Thanks, > > Eddie > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos first off don't upgrade from cent 5 to 6. backup and reinstall.. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 11:37 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > The problem with forums is that if you have more than a couple of > interests you kill the whole day bouncing around in a web browser > logging into them and figuring out their user interface differences. > Could the rss feed be made a little more obvious? It might work to > plug it into google reader or other feed consolidator. Forums = too slow = too much hard work for little gain Emails = instant = quick = easy -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Always Learning > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:31 PM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0 > > > On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 12:29 -0400, Thomas Dukes wrote: > > > Can anyone pls tell me if a ThinkServer TS130 with a E3-1225 Xeon > > processor is compatible with CentOS 6.0? I would like to > upgrade from > > 5.6 but my hardware will not allow me to do so. > > Intel > Quad-core > 3.10 GHz > L2 Cache 1 MB > L3 Cache 6 MB > 64-bit Processing > * Turbo Boost Technology > * Virtualization Technology > * Trusted Execution Technology > * Extended Memory 64 Technology > Platform: PC > > Seems OK, what specific problems are you having ? Sorry, I meant the hardware I have now is preventing me from upgrading to 6.0 I just want to make sure CentOS 6.0 would have the necessary drivers for the on board video, ethernet, etc., for the TS130 before I make the purchase. I just don't want to be in the same boat as I'm in now. I have bought a PC in eight years so I just want to make sure its going to run 6.0. Thanks, Eddie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Keith Roberts wrote: >> The CentOS Forums are a very very good resource for many people and the >> people spending time managing and posting there are doing a very good >> job. I'm guessing you were unable to get value from the forums since >> your expectations and forums deliverables dont match. That's fine, but >> it does not imply that the entire forums are 'useless'. > > I'd say the forums have ALOT of usefull info, but the main > Centos activity is centered on IMHO this list - cannot speak > for the other centos lists, as I'm ONLY on this one for now. > The problem with forums is that if you have more than a couple of interests you kill the whole day bouncing around in a web browser logging into them and figuring out their user interface differences. Could the rss feed be made a little more obvious? It might work to plug it into google reader or other feed consolidator. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.0
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 12:29 -0400, Thomas Dukes wrote: > Can anyone pls tell me if a ThinkServer TS130 with a E3-1225 Xeon processor > is compatible with CentOS 6.0? I would like to upgrade from 5.6 but my > hardware will not allow me to do so. Intel Quad-core 3.10 GHz L2 Cache 1 MB L3 Cache 6 MB 64-bit Processing * Turbo Boost Technology * Virtualization Technology * Trusted Execution Technology * Extended Memory 64 Technology Platform: PC Seems OK, what specific problems are you having ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please?
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: > > I didnt imply holding postings back for moderation - but more along the > lines of creating an identity for the list, and asking people to shift > conversations to better suite the audience on there. And in those ways > the -devel and -docs list are much more focused than the generic list here. I think the missing piece is something like an EL-admin list. That is, one where people could discuss things that are common issues on distributions based on RHEL and with access to the same set of 3rd party package repositories. That's not exactly Centos-specific, but Centos users are probably the largest single collection with the most experience, so the questions come up here - and sometimes it isn't obvious at the start whether the problem relates to the distribution packaging or an application. The usual advice here for application-related issues is to go to the application's own list, but there the first and sometimes only response you will get is to 'upgrade to current' before discussing any problems.And that is seldom the right advice for EL-type distro users. Plus, there are often several different applications that can be used for any purpose and choosing the right one based on others' experiences should be the first step. In any case, whether it should be managed by the Centos group or not, users need a list where those questions aren't met with hostility and the most likely response is a pointer to an appropriate packaged application version (since most common problems have already been solved somewhere). I start with the view that the policy restrictions that make 3rd party package repositories necessary and not referenced in the base distro _are_ a Centos problem, even if inherited from upstream, so discussing the workarounds here should be on topic, even if not Centos-specific. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 6.0
Hello, Can anyone pls tell me if a ThinkServer TS130 with a E3-1225 Xeon processor is compatible with CentOS 6.0? I would like to upgrade from 5.6 but my hardware will not allow me to do so. I do not wish to buy something that is incompatible as I already have that now. The TS130 is replacing the TS200v which is RHEL 6.x certified. The TS130 has an Intel mobo and uses the C206 chipset. I do not know the model number for the mobo itself. I have spent the last 45 minutes on the phone with Lenovo and talked with 'Peggy' seven different times before being disconnected. TIA, Eddie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos Mail Lists : Main Web Page
CentOS = CentOS mailing list CentOS-announce = CentOS announcements (security and general) will be posted to this list. CentOS-CR-announce = Announcements for the CentOS CR repository will be made on this list. CentOS-cz = Czech mailing list for CentOS CentOS-de = German mailing list for CentOS CentOS-devel = The CentOS developers mailing list. CentOS-docs = Mail list for wiki articles CentOS-es = Spanish CentOS list CentOS-fr = Liste de diffusion francophone CentOS-gsoc = CentOS GSOC activities CentOS-mirror = Mailing list for CentOS mirrors. CentOS-mirror-announce = Announcements to mirror admins from the CentOS team CentOS-Newsletter = Newsletter announcement list CentOS-nl = Dutch CentOS mailing list CentOS-promo = Events, gatherings and meetings CentOS-pt-br = Portuguese (Brazilian) CentOS mailing list CentOS-virt = Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS However an enquiring person may not always know this 'trick' of entering lists.centos.org. Consequently www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16 would benefit from a revision or centos.org - support - mailing lists - could have its link changed to lists.centos.org Having information in one place reduces the possibility other copies of it may be incomplete. Paul. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos Mail Lists : Main Web Page
centos.org support mailing lists goes to http://centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16 However only a few mailing lists are shown:- Announce discussion and information developers Mirror Docs virtualization On http://lists.centos.org/ which displays as http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/ we see:- CentOS CentOS mailing list CentOS-announce CentOS announcements (security and general) will be posted to this list. CentOS-CR-announce Announcements for the CentOS CR repository will be made on this list. CentOS-cz Czech mailing list for CentOS CentOS-de German mailing list for CentOS CentOS-devel The CentOS developers mailing list. CentOS-docs Mail list for wiki articles CentOS-es Spanish CentOS list CentOS-fr Liste de diffusion francophone CentOS-gsoc CentOS GSOC activities CentOS-mirror Mailing list for CentOS mirrors. CentOS-mirror-announce Announcements to mirror admins from the CentOS team CentOS-Newsletter Newsletter announcement list CentOS-nl Dutch CentOS mailing list CentOS-promo Events, gatherings and meetings CentOS-pt-br Portuguese (Brazilian) CentOS mailing list CentOS-virt Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS However an enquiring person may not always know this 'trick' of entering lists.centos.org. Consequently www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16 would benefit from a revision or centos.org - support - mailing lists - could have its link changed to lists.centos.org -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please?
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote: > To: CentOS mailing list > From: Karanbir Singh > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please? > > On 08/28/2011 02:12 PM, Always Learning wrote: >>> The other issue that we have, which many other lists dont - is that >>> the membership churn is quite high. And without exception, we fail >>> quite comprehensively as a group to capitalise on that. W >> >> Please explain how, or why, the group should 'capitalise' on membership >> churn ? Churn, what the English once called 'turnover', means people >> departing. How could departees be 'capitalised on' ? Given a free 'I >> Love Centos' sticker as a memento ? > > ok, to me Churn implies people joining and leaving, turnover is high. We > do have lots of people joining, but we have a lot of people leaving due > to the various reasons, its that we should address. We have the benefit > of lots of people coming in, lets capitalise on that to expand the user > base, the knowledge base and the general community at large. Rather than > fail in the way we do by driving away large numbers. Well I've been on *many* mailing lists, and there's no way I could keep on them all at the same time :( Apache, MySQL, SQLite, PHP install, Alpine, plus others. So my reasons to unsub from the list, would be to reduce the number of mails coming to my inbox each day. A classic example would be if I was moving house - get off as many lists as possible to reduce the backlog of emails for me to wade through after the move. Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote: > To: CentOS mailing list > From: Karanbir Singh > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool > > On 08/26/2011 09:01 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> The CentOS forum is pretty useless IMO > > The CentOS Forums are a very very good resource for many people and the > people spending time managing and posting there are doing a very good > job. I'm guessing you were unable to get value from the forums since > your expectations and forums deliverables dont match. That's fine, but > it does not imply that the entire forums are 'useless'. I'd say the forums have ALOT of usefull info, but the main Centos activity is centered on IMHO this list - cannot speak for the other centos lists, as I'm ONLY on this one for now. Personally, I prefer to participate in an active mailing list, where there are many others that usually reply in near-real time. Kind Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Update to CentOS 6.0 without CD/DVD reader
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 14:52 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I've had a disaster on my home network server; > the partition table on the disk containing / has become corrupted, > and testdisk has not enabled me to recover the table. > If anyone can help with this I should be grateful. Have you used testdisk to find and copy files to another partition ? When using testdisk I found the best practise is NOT to attempt to rewrite anything. Extracting as many files as possible off the bad partition should be the priority. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please?
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 14:39 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: > heh, I've been to belgium 8 times in the last 5 years. Its never > failed to rain on me ( even snow one in a while ). A CentOS Conference > would be nice, its been brought up often. If you want to help make it > happen - come join the centos-promo list and lets see if we can do > something. You, purposely ?, omitted the time of the year when it rained :-) Snow is unlikely in June, July and August in the northern hemisphere. Yes, let us make it happen in 2012 when the streets of London are grid-locked (that's American for jammed) with Olympic traffic and parts of London grind to a halt. A welcome and refreshing break, good weather, stimulating thoughts and learning and discovering new things plus the tasty Belgium chips (USA = fries) and beer. Promo here I come or should that be in Belgium Dutch (Flemish) Ik ben op de weg naar Promo, bijna. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Update to CentOS 6.0 without CD/DVD reader
I've had a disaster on my home network server; the partition table on the disk containing / has become corrupted, and testdisk has not enabled me to recover the table. If anyone can help with this I should be grateful. However, that is not what I am writing about. I've installed a substitute box - and HP MicroServer - which by a miracle has CentOS-5.6 installed on it. Now I'm wondering what is the best way to install CentOS-6, given that there is no CD/DVD driver on this machine. I have access to the internet, so I can download the CD/DVD . I know I could install through a USB stick; I'm just wondering if there is a more direct route. I should look this up, but I'm rather weary after installing dovecot, httpd, etc, and thought I'd take a short cut by asking you gurus. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 08/26/2011 09:01 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> The CentOS forum is pretty useless IMO > > The CentOS Forums are a very very good resource for many people and the > people spending time managing and posting there are doing a very good > job. I'm guessing you were unable to get value from the forums since > your expectations and forums deliverables dont match. That's fine, but > it does not imply that the entire forums are 'useless'. Just to second KB's view ... Anyone who thinks the CentOS Forums are not a valuable source as one of the help venues CentOS offers is encouraged to try and make it better instead of expressing his/her opinion as 'useless'. Why this is important? Google knows: http://blog.toracat.org/2010/05/search-is-on-an-update/ Also ... if you value what ELRepo provides, you'd like to know that the ELRepo Project would not have been born without the Forums: http://blog.toracat.org/2009/06/elrepo-project/ Akemi -- done with enough adv of own blogs :-D ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please?
On 08/28/2011 02:12 PM, Always Learning wrote: >> The other issue that we have, which many other lists dont - is that >> the membership churn is quite high. And without exception, we fail >> quite comprehensively as a group to capitalise on that. W > > Please explain how, or why, the group should 'capitalise' on membership > churn ? Churn, what the English once called 'turnover', means people > departing. How could departees be 'capitalised on' ? Given a free 'I > Love Centos' sticker as a memento ? ok, to me Churn implies people joining and leaving, turnover is high. We do have lots of people joining, but we have a lot of people leaving due to the various reasons, its that we should address. We have the benefit of lots of people coming in, lets capitalise on that to expand the user base, the knowledge base and the general community at large. Rather than fail in the way we do by driving away large numbers. > I suggest an annual week long Centos event on every continent. For > Europe, perhaps in sunny Belgium. To make it affordable for all it could > be camping rather than expensive hotels and held in June, July or > August. heh, I've been to belgium 8 times in the last 5 years. Its never failed to rain on me ( even snow one in a while ). A CentOS Conference would be nice, its been brought up often. If you want to help make it happen - come join the centos-promo list and lets see if we can do something. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please?
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 13:58 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: > The other issue that we have, which many other lists dont - is that > the membership churn is quite high. And without exception, we fail > quite comprehensively as a group to capitalise on that. W Please explain how, or why, the group should 'capitalise' on membership churn ? Churn, what the English once called 'turnover', means people departing. How could departees be 'capitalised on' ? Given a free 'I Love Centos' sticker as a memento ? I favour publicising Centos more. It really is a brilliant product created and maintained by a tiny few who are mainly unknown to the vast quantity of world users. I suggest an annual week long Centos event on every continent. For Europe, perhaps in sunny Belgium. To make it affordable for all it could be camping rather than expensive hotels and held in June, July or August. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Installing 6.0 via USB
On 08/26/2011 09:41 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote: > I'm using LiveUSB-Creator to create a bootable USB drive from > CentOS-6.0-i386-netinstall.iso, and it gives me an error at startup: > I've done a bunch of usb driven installs so far with centos-6, i386 and x86_64 and had zero issues just using dd to get the netinstall image onto the usb and booting, installing. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ImageMagick : Centos GUI ?
On 08/28/2011 01:37 PM, Always Learning wrote: > Any news of those tee-shirts please ? > Yes! will post details. Its taken be a bit of time to get costs for shipping worked out for all the various parts of the world. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Apache warns Web server admins of DoS attack tool
On 08/26/2011 09:01 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > The CentOS forum is pretty useless IMO The CentOS Forums are a very very good resource for many people and the people spending time managing and posting there are doing a very good job. I'm guessing you were unable to get value from the forums since your expectations and forums deliverables dont match. That's fine, but it does not imply that the entire forums are 'useless'. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Off topic list for centos please?
On 08/25/2011 12:30 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote: >> an offtopic list would need to come with a lot more moderation here then. > > Are the -devel and -docs lists moderated? I didnt imply holding postings back for moderation - but more along the lines of creating an identity for the list, and asking people to shift conversations to better suite the audience on there. And in those ways the -devel and -docs list are much more focused than the generic list here. > A reason I suggest -tech is that it's usually fairly clear when a question > isn't technical but either social or political (eg. advocacy). > > OTOH, I don't think the technical traffic is high enough to warrant > separate software and hardware lists (as would be the case with the generic > Linux newsgroups). A large part of the value of this list comes from the varied and diverse membership. However, the main focus is still about CentOS itself. I try and keep up, but often fall behind reading this list - but it does look like a lot more people would rather see the hostility and arrogance on this list go away, rather than split the membership up into smaller groups. An example worth looking at and considering is the centos-virt list. Quite a few people here are members there as well, and yet continue to post to this list about their virt specific issues. The other issue that we have, which many other lists dont - is that the membership churn is quite high. And without exception, we fail quite comprehensively as a group to capitalise on that. What should be an amazing opportunity for us to bring in, nurture and hold onto content and tech specific talent - is repeatedly driven away, marginalised and put down. Yes we have the people using this list repeatedly without contributing back, yes we have people on the list here who will, even after being pointed out, fail to adhere to list etiquette and we have people on there who will still stick in and try to help others through the noise. And yes we do have people who will rant on and on about things with dubious relevance, while they will still turn around and make very good relevant points some times. But guess what, we have all kinds of people on this list - even the occasional spammer. One thing we definitely have in abundance is opinion on how this list should be run, whats OT and whats not and how people should go about starting to get help with issues they come up against. Since not everyone here would have a wiki.centos.org account, I've started a typewith.me page at http://typewith.me/B3hEsCAx97 ; how about everyone come together and thrash out a list policy, with guidelines and helpful content that might even become holding content at wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp and wiki.centos.org/EngageCommunity Thoughts about this, put it here on the list. Thoughts ON the content, put them in the typewith.me page. If you have a wiki account, please use the login name there for your ID on the typewith.me page. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ImageMagick : Centos GUI ?
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 13:33 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: > This is a mailing list, a conversational forum. not a blog or a > documentaion forum. If you want to contribute such stuff productively, > do so in the wiki, where it would be appreciated and actually worthwhile. Good idea. Thank you. Any news of those tee-shirts please ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] If you are using CentOS 6 and KDE....
On 08/28/2011 10:28 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: > The desktop will look strange and behave differently. If you need any help in > getting used to it, either join the kde user list, > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde , the kde forum, > http://forum.kde.org/ , or mail me personally. you forgot to mention what the issues really are ? > Once again I will turn off receipt from this list. The attitude of several > posters is unacceptable to me. is it not easier to just turn off emails from them getting to you via mail filters ? - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ImageMagick : Centos GUI ?
On 08/27/2011 03:22 AM, Always Learning wrote: > > I accidentally discovered 'convert'. It is a command line utility. > Changing a file from png to gif works like this This is a mailing list, a conversational forum. not a blog or a documentaion forum. If you want to contribute such stuff productively, do so in the wiki, where it would be appreciated and actually worthwhile. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ImageMagick : Centos GUI ?
On 8/27/11, Always Learning wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 21:12 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: > >> but there's a nearly infinite number of possible combinations of the >> options, and the order you specify transforms can have an effect on the >> output, how would you represent this in a GUI ? > > I am not writing a GUI for it. However a useful GUI could show the > effects of making simple changes - perhaps one change at a time - not > multiple changes. This would show new users what commands actually do > and the relevant CLI instructions. > > You are correct about the order of commands altering the output. The > commands are performed sequentially, left to right. It is impressive > software. > > > -- > With best regards, > > Paul. > England, > EU. > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > I have experience working with MATLAB image processing toolbox. I found GIMP very powerful ,especially in its tools for 'selecting image foreground/background' that is not so simply available even in MATLAB toolbox. But unfortunately, my centos 5.6 built-in GIMP is too old (GIMP 2.2) that does not have these new tools. I didn't find any straightforward procedure on how to migrate to GIMP 2.4/2.6 . Don't you ? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] If you are using CentOS 6 and KDE....
The desktop will look strange and behave differently. If you need any help in getting used to it, either join the kde user list, https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde , the kde forum, http://forum.kde.org/ , or mail me personally. Once again I will turn off receipt from this list. The attitude of several posters is unacceptable to me. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos