Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.7--desktop icons are now a blank sheet of paper with the .desktop filename and they don't work
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:25 AM, fred smith piše: > note that the Desktop folder contains a subdirectory named "radio stations", > and that its representation on the desktop looks correct. but when I click > on it to open up that folder, all its contents are also broken in the > same way. > > Anybody got any clues? > First remove all spaces from folder(s) and desktop files. Next, there was some trick when you create your own desktop files, I was receiving similar warning, but I am not sure (at the moment) what was the solution. While you change names, I will later on look for a solution. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:56 AM, Alan McKay piše: >> Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility >> and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither >> is perfect. > > That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 > (and so long ago at that)? > > THe text bellow in only MY opinion, and I am not the member of the dev team, or have any official capacity except being one of the admins in the CentOS Facebook Group. One of the reasons (as much as I understood) is that initially CentOS team was caught unprepared for the fact that CentOS 6 is not build-able from either CentOS 5 or RHEL 6, or even Fedora's, or even any combination of those distros. In the past you could build CentOS 5 using CentOS/RHEL 5 Beta, something like that, I do not know exact details, but it was easy to build it. 1. When RHEL 6 Beta came out, devs were confronted with hostile building environment with missing versions of packages actually used (they had to file bugs against it and wait for Red Hat to release them while chasing around to possibly find those versions faster. 2. In the past there was not many people "training" to be on the devs team and existing members are volunteers so they have/had limited free time. It was 6-7 years after any mayor/complex building effort, so even active devs had no mayor problems in that period and they were kind of rusty (I hope devs will not take this against me, it is normal for skills lesser used to require brushing up, I know it on my own example). 3. Infrastructure (hardware) and build environment speed and optimization (in terms of software like mock/smock, binary comparison, etc.) was not up to the task at hand. Even disk space was a stretched to the limit to accommodate all versions, srpms, building environments, ... 4. Way of doing thing CentOS pre-6.x was proved to be inefficient and the gap from upstream releases started to prolong. That is when CentOS devs decided to change policy and do like SL team, and create CR repo so they can publish all completed packages as soon as they are available. Scientific Linux has (at least) 2 paid developers and they started setting up (Koji) building environment (long?) before RHEL 6 Beta was released. That gave them starting advantage. Further more, SL devs decided to push SL 6.0 before 5.7 and 4.9 point releases (contrary to CentOS devs) published in same time frame, so to many on this mailing list it looked like SL devs are overall much faster. Their 5.7 update was (I think) few months behind. Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). There is much more relevant info, but this should be the jest an I have work to do. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we > will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). Thanks very much for that. I found your account most interesting and informative. I guess one question that I've never seen raised is if there has ever been a suggestion that Centos and SL should combine, or at least work together? They seem to have exactly the same aim. I wonder why SL was set up, rather than offering to help the CentOS team? I saw statistics - I don't remember where - saying that CentOS had 30% of the Linux market, which I found very surprising, though also satsifying (to me). SL had a tiny share. (I remember now, it was someone complaining that Fedora's share was slipping badly.) I belong to what may be the silent majority who don't really care if CentOS is absolutely up-to-date. (As far as I can see, none of the changes in CentOS-6.1 would make the slightest difference to me. I run CentOS on 3 home servers, and Fedora on my laptops.) I was very struck by the ease with which I upgraded to CentOS-6, compared with the nightmare (now hopefully over) upgrading from Fedora-15 to Fedora-16. It reminded me why I would never run Fedora on a server. To me, the reliability and solidity of CentOS are what I relish, and I'm very grateful to the CentOS team for their work. I don't mind them getting a bit crotchety at times! -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bond of bonds
On 11/14/2011 3:15 PM, Paras pradhan wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to use Link-aggregation with redundancy between switches > that doesnot support SMLT in switches. > > > I have 4 network ports. First two are connected to a switch and > LACP/LAG is enabled. Third and Fourth ports connect to another switch > with another LAG group. I was thinking create two mode 4 bonds and > bond those bonds to mode 1 (Active/Passive) bond. But it seems this > is not supported yet in kernel (?). How do you guys handle this kind > of situation. (And yes without using SMLT between switches). > > > > Thanks > Paras. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > You can bridge two bonds together, and enable STP to prevent a loop. Although, don't get it wrong on a production network, it's not pretty. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On 11/15/2011 01:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > >> Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we >> will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). > > Thanks very much for that. > I found your account most interesting and informative. > > I guess one question that I've never seen raised > is if there has ever been a suggestion that Centos and SL > should combine, or at least work together? > They seem to have exactly the same aim. > > I wonder why SL was set up, > rather than offering to help the CentOS team? SL does betas and CentOS does not for example. I think the way both projects chose to operate is simply incompatible. > I saw statistics - I don't remember where - saying that > CentOS had 30% of the Linux market, > which I found very surprising, though also satsifying (to me). > SL had a tiny share. > (I remember now, it was someone complaining that Fedora's share > was slipping badly.) Fedora is basically an incubator for new technologies and as such not really an attractive system to install for end-users. If you deal with servers you probably go with CentOS, SL, Debian, etc. and if you want a desktop you probably use Ubuntu. > I belong to what may be the silent majority > who don't really care if CentOS is absolutely up-to-date. > (As far as I can see, none of the changes in CentOS-6.1 > would make the slightest difference to me. > I run CentOS on 3 home servers, and Fedora on my laptops.) > > I was very struck by the ease with which I upgraded to CentOS-6, > compared with the nightmare (now hopefully over) > upgrading from Fedora-15 to Fedora-16. > It reminded me why I would never run Fedora on a server. I tend to skip one Fedora release and then do a a plain reinstall and copy my old data I need over. Fedora upgrades always sound rather messy. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bond of bonds
On 15 November 2011 13:08, Fred Wittekind wrote: > You can bridge two bonds together, and enable STP to prevent a loop. > Although, don't get it wrong on a production network, it's not pretty. Use decent switches, interlink them and create one big LACP bond across both. Ben ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > Fedora is basically an incubator for new technologies and as such not > really an attractive system to install for end-users. If you deal with > servers you probably go with CentOS, SL, Debian, etc. and if you want a > desktop you probably use Ubuntu. I don't really agree with this. If you are using CentOS on servers it is much easier to use Fedora on laptops, since Fedora is so similar in operation to CentOS. In fact CentOS is more or less identical to an ancient version of Fedora. Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? why in the world should i use a laptop @home where i have a dedicated place for a powerful machine with much less heat and noise than a crappy laptop? i have worked long enough with laptops and they was, they are and they will always be useless crap if you need power and comfort while you do more as webbrowsing or read a handful mails what i can do with my mobile signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/15/2011 09:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: >> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? > this is what some braindead developers seems to think > but it is not true nor will it never get true! > > why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if > i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and > better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? > > why in the world should i use a laptop @home where i > have a dedicated place for a powerful machine with much > less heat and noise than a crappy laptop? > > i have worked long enough with laptops and they was, they are > and they will always be useless crap if you need power and > comfort while you do more as webbrowsing or read a handful > mails what i can do with my mobile > > +1 -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves* Sr. Software Engineer III Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/15/2011 01:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> I saw statistics - I don't remember where - saying that >> CentOS had 30% of the Linux market, which I found very surprising, Wow! >> though also satsifying (to me). SL had a tiny share. >> (I remember now, it was someone complaining that Fedora's share >> was slipping badly.) Because fedora, as has been mentioned here by folks in addition to me, is bleeding edge, not leading edge. There's *NO* *WAY* I'd run it at home, much less at work. >> I was very struck by the ease with which I upgraded to CentOS-6, >> compared with the nightmare (now hopefully over) >> upgrading from Fedora-15 to Fedora-16. >> It reminded me why I would never run Fedora on a server. > > I tend to skip one Fedora release and then do a a plain reinstall and copy > my old data I need over. Fedora upgrades always sound rather messy. The "preupgrade" is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Reindl Harald wrote: >> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? > > this is what some braindead developers seems to think > but it is not true nor will it never get true! > > why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if > i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and > better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? Don't you think you are in a very small minority, like 1% of the world? What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Timothy Murphy wrote: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? >> >> this is what some braindead developers seems to think >> but it is not true nor will it never get true! >> >> why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if >> i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and >> better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? > > Don't you think you are in a very small minority, > like 1% of the world? Nope. And certainly not from where I've sat for several years. > > What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? > I'd guess it is already over 50%. I'd guess you're massively wrong. And before you start, are you prepared to put down, out of your personal wallet, the money for eye surgery for me, to give me 15/20 vision, so I can read the damn thing? You *really* enjoy looking at videos, or even trying to read email, either at 2-3 words per line, or in 3 point type? And while we're at it, I suggest you look at, say, the official MySQL documentation on your itty-bitty-screen. I do it, on a browser set at about a quarter of a 22" diagonal screen, and *still* see the idiots have some of the formatting set so that it overprints. mark "wants a better ->telephone<-, to TALK to people" > > > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net > tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
dear all, I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, even on al 512Mb machine. But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. Anybody can help me with this? greetings, James -- Johan Vermeulen IT-medewerker Caw De Kempen johan.vermeu...@cawdekempen.be 0479.82.01.41 Opensource Software is the future. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/15/2011 06:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? > I'd guess it is already over 50%. > Mobile devices still have *under* 6% of the internet browser market. See http://www.netmarketshare.com/ -- Benjamin Franz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Timothy Murphy wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? Don't you think you are in a very small minority, like 1% of the world? What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. So what - I use an iPhone to read my mail when out and about, but my real work happens on a desk-top - dual 22" monitors, average 10+ open applications, run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE). Long live the desktop!! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Vreme: 11/15/2011 01:56 PM, Timothy Murphy piše: > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > >> Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we >> will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). > > Thanks very much for that. > I found your account most interesting and informative. > > I guess one question that I've never seen raised > is if there has ever been a suggestion that Centos and SL > should combine, or at least work together? > They seem to have exactly the same aim. > > I wonder why SL was set up, > rather than offering to help the CentOS team? SL is maintained for Scientists mostly in Fermi Labs and CERN, and it has additional Scientific applications/packages. They are also government funded project, and as such must follow some strict rules. Those are main reasons. There are smaller ones, but even those are enough not to think in the direction of joining projects. > I run CentOS on 3 home servers, and Fedora on my laptops.) I have setup repository for desktop use of CentOS where I have put many packages (~300 compiled and 45 downloaded from non-repo locations) and in process of solving repo conflicts so major third-part repositories can be the basis for nicely formulated Desktop distro. When I finally have enough time I will finish it and offer entire package to public. I hope it will be soon. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? >> >> this is what some braindead developers seems to think >> but it is not true nor will it never get true! >> >> why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if >> i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and >> better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? > > Don't you think you are in a very small minority, > like 1% of the world? Not by a long long way. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:52 PM, Timothy Murphy piše: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? >> >> this is what some braindead developers seems to think >> but it is not true nor will it never get true! >> >> why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if >> i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and >> better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? > > Don't you think you are in a very small minority, > like 1% of the world? Since only slightly above 1% of people in the world uses Linux, this means that all Linux users use Desktops instead of lap-top's ;-D > > What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? > I'd guess it is already over 50%. > > For Desktop is considered ANYTHING that you use "on" your table, even when the box is on the floor. Laptops use is limited to 3-4 years until it brakes. And there is no cheap repair, and you can not add enough HDD's you need, at least one more for backup. Many IT workers will have some kind of RAID on their boxes. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Op 15-11-11 16:11, Johan Vermeulen schreef: > dear all, > > I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, > even on al 512Mb machine. > > But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. > > Anybody can help me with this? > > greetings, James > answering my own question here ---> by installing Nautilus. That easy ! greetings, Johan ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: > run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE > (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE) Install PlayOnLinux (Wine installer) and install IE6 inside it. Maybe your App will work without virtual Win. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: > The "preupgrade" is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now > building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring > that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually. +1 -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:11 PM, Johan Vermeulen piše: > dear all, > > I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, > even on al 512Mb machine. > > But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. > > Anybody can help me with this? > > greetings, James > I think autofs package is needed, but not sure. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/15/2011 9:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: >> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? > this is what some braindead developers seems to think > but it is not true nor will it never get true! > > why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if > i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and > better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? > > why in the world should i use a laptop @home where i > have a dedicated place for a powerful machine with much > less heat and noise than a crappy laptop? > > i have worked long enough with laptops and they was, they are > and they will always be useless crap if you need power and > comfort while you do more as webbrowsing or read a handful > mails what i can do with my mobile Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into crawl mode), heat (if you really run it in your lap as the name infers) and that just touches on the very start of my list. Yes, I have few laptops and use them when I 'need' to and one often times goes with me when I leave my office (but my phone is rapidly replacing that need unless I'm going for days)... but why on earth would I consider using only a laptop? Well, if I was always mobile, but I'm not. Maybe if I didn't need to run any development systems... Eclipse on a laptop certainly works, but is sluggish vs. a workstation. Open Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Eclipse, three web browsers a secure shell or few, email, IM, and then need to open a Word attachment and most laptops chug to worst than a crawl. Yes, laptops are more becoming a tool of the trade, but I don't think 1% is any where near a real number. It 'might' be as high as 50% (totally grabbing at the stars saying that). > > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- John Hinton 877-777-1407 ext 502 http://www.ew3d.com Comprehensive Online Solutions ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:11 PM, Johan Vermeulen pie: >> dear all, >> >> I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, >> even on al 512Mb machine. >> >> But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. >> >> Anybody can help me with this? > > I think autofs package is needed, but not sure. That *is* what does it. It needs to be installed, and it will run as a daemon. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Benjamin Franz wrote: >> What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? >> I'd guess it is already over 50%. >> > > Mobile devices still have *under* 6% of the internet browser market. > > See http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I find it very hard to believe that 90% of Chinese are using desktops. What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? There must be billions of them. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 04:29:08PM +0100, Johan Vermeulen wrote: > Op 15-11-11 16:11, Johan Vermeulen schreef: > > dear all, > > > > I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, > > even on al 512Mb machine. > > > > But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. > > > > Anybody can help me with this? > > > > greetings, James > > answering my own question here ---> by installing Nautilus. That easy ! Nautilus is heavy, defeats somehow the whole purpose of using XFCE. :-) I'd suggest: Thunar --daemon to handle media automounting. Mihai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos v3.3 CD 2
on 11/14/2011 5:38 PM Jonathan Nilsson spake the following: >> Nice mail database... > > > apparently the mail client has some "nice" features too: > >> on 11/14/2011 4:09 PM Scott Silva spake the following: >> >>> on 10/29/2004 5:55 AM Luis-Miguel Astudillo spake the following: >> > > wouldst thou be willing to divulge thy mail client and/or plugin which > spake in such a manner? > > -- > Ser Jonathan Thunderbird reading via gmane... Sudden brain fart syndrome I guess... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:50 PM, Mihai T. Lazarescu piše: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 04:29:08PM +0100, Johan Vermeulen wrote: > >> Op 15-11-11 16:11, Johan Vermeulen schreef: >>> dear all, >>> >>> I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, >>> even on al 512Mb machine. >>> >>> But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. >>> >>> Anybody can help me with this? >>> >>> greetings, James >> >> answering my own question here ---> by installing Nautilus. That easy ! > > Nautilus is heavy, defeats somehow the whole purpose of using > XFCE. :-) > > I'd suggest: > > Thunar --daemon > > to handle media automounting. > > Mihai For NFS automounting I use autofs and create a link for that directory to some other location (symlink) when you already mounted that directory with "cd " or "ls ". So when I open symlink, NFS mount is automaticaly mounted. Maybe you can use that for USB's. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > Incidentally, I don't really understand > what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. > I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change the drive layout or use removable storage, and almost never change the network connections - and you expect the same programs to run for years. On a desktop, the display is the first priority, ownership of certain devices is expected to magically shift to the user at the console, developers will give up consistent device naming for boot speed, and nobody cares if last year's programs still run with this year's OS. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? I don't. > > Don't you think you are in a very small minority, > like 1% of the world? I live in India. hmm... I am one of the 1/6th of the population in the world and "I don't own a laptop". I don't carry work home. Here one is supposed to be dedicated to one's family: either gender. Worrk is worrk (germaniK accent intended... :) ). Home is Home. Which percentage you represent? > > What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? > I'd guess it is already over 50%. > Duh! come here to India and afford all those devices with Indian Salaries. Than talk here. Actually I hate "work" after work hours. I have left many lucrative jobs for time with my family at "wrong times" per se. -- With Warm Regards and Best Wishes, (Capitalisation intended) Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos6 and samba and nmblookup
Folks I've installed Centos6 and Samba. I noticed that the program "nmblookup" and a few other Samba related programs, documented in the RHEL6 guide, are not included in Centos6. A search using YUM also did not find "nmblookup", using the repositories: base, centosplus, contrib, cr, epel, extras, updates, virtualbox Has its functionality been moved elsewhere, or should I try to find something wrong in my environment? Thanks David Kurn ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 and samba and nmblookup
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, david wrote: > Folks > > I've installed Centos6 and Samba. I noticed that the program > "nmblookup" and a few other Samba related programs, documented in the > RHEL6 guide, are not included in Centos6. A search using YUM also > did not find "nmblookup", using the repositories: > base, centosplus, contrib, cr, epel, extras, updates, virtualbox > > Has its functionality been moved elsewhere, or should I try to find > something wrong in my environment? yum install samba-client jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy > wrote: >> >> Incidentally, I don't really understand >> what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. >> I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. > > 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to > load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a monitor-on-a-stick > the drive layout or use removable storage, and almost never change the > network connections - and you expect the same programs to run for > years. On a desktop, the display is the first priority, ownership of > certain devices is expected to magically shift to the user at the > console, developers will give up consistent device naming for boot > speed, and nobody cares if last year's programs still run with this > year's OS. I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they know, and if the budget's tight mark, trying to find a prboom server for CentOS 5" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Timothy Murphy > wrote: >> Reindl Harald wrote: >> Don't you think you are in a very small minority, >> like 1% of the world? > > I live in India. > > hmm... I am one of the 1/6th of the population in the world and "I > don't own a laptop". I don't carry work home. > > Here one is supposed to be dedicated to one's family: either gender. > > Worrk is worrk (germaniK accent intended... :) ). Home is Home. YES!!! One reason I will *NOT* buy a "smart phone" is that in the mid-nineties, I worked for a major telecom here in the US. I wore a pager, and was on call 24x7.365.25. I'll never forget the Sunday, with a friend visiting from out of town, I got paged SEVEN TIMES, and most of it was because they didn't know what they were doing. You want me on call? Fine, PAY ME time and a half, or double time. I am *NOT* otherwise available, except to friends and family. And don't bother texting - I have that turned off. Email I live by... but that's on *my* time, when *I* want it. I don't carry a laptop up and back. As someone said, workstation, two monitors at work. > > Which percentage you represent? > I work to live; too many fools confuse the two, and management *certainly* wants you to think that you should live at their beck and call. >> >> What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? >> I'd guess it is already over 50%. > > Duh! come here to India and afford all those devices with Indian Salaries. > > Than talk here. Good points; I was thinking of that, and all the folks in the US who have them, but can't really afford that money. And then there's the rest, who *can't* afford that much/month. > > Actually I hate "work" after work hours. I have left many lucrative > jobs for time with my family at "wrong times" per se. Agreed. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:11 PM, Johan Vermeulen piše:
dear all,
I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast,
even on al 512Mb machine.
But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this.
Anybody can help me with this?
I think autofs package is needed, but not sure.
That *is* what does it. It needs to be installed, and it will run as a
daemon.
Hmm not on a normal machine AFAIK. autofs normally keeps well out of the way
of random removable devices, unlike bits of gnome (that clearly nautilus is
either responsible for, or pulls in the bit that is) that likes to get busy
with creating /media/ography}{5} when a usb hard disk gets plugged in. Quite
how it picked that when the vfat filesystem had no label I'm not entirely
clear...
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Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On 11/15/2011 04:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: >> The "preupgrade" is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now >> building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring >> that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually. > +1 > I doubt that. The issue isn't the technology but the support issues that can arise from updating systems between releases. Red Hat would have to test all kinds of update scenarios and not only between two releases but they'd also have to take into account systems that have been upgraded several times. I'm pretty sure they will stick to the service migration update path they are using now. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? > > I don't. > >> >> Don't you think you are in a very small minority, >> like 1% of the world? > > I live in India. > > hmm... I am one of the 1/6th of the population in the world and "I > don't own a laptop". I don't carry work home. > > Here one is supposed to be dedicated to one's family: either gender. In the US, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, that you will buy them electronic devices. > Worrk is worrk (germaniK accent intended... :) ). Home is Home. Laptops are very much entertainment and educational devices. Things useful at home even if you aren't interested in technology for its own sake or using it for communicating with friends. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
John Hodrien wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>> Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:11 PM, Johan Vermeulen pie:
I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very
fast,even on al 512Mb machine.
But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this.
>>>
>>> I think autofs package is needed, but not sure.
>>
>> That *is* what does it. It needs to be installed, and it will run as a
>> daemon.
>
> Hmm not on a normal machine AFAIK. autofs normally keeps well out of the
> way of random removable devices, unlike bits of gnome (that clearly
> nautilus is either responsible for, or pulls in the bit that is) that
> likes to get busy with creating /media/ography}{5} when a usb hard
> disk gets plugged in. Quite how it picked that when the vfat filesystem
> had no label I'm not entirely clear...
But the autofs package contains automount, and that is what handles USB
drives, etc.
mark
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Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On 11/15/2011 02:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > >> Fedora is basically an incubator for new technologies and as such not >> really an attractive system to install for end-users. If you deal with >> servers you probably go with CentOS, SL, Debian, etc. and if you want a >> desktop you probably use Ubuntu. > > I don't really agree with this. > If you are using CentOS on servers > it is much easier to use Fedora on laptops, > since Fedora is so similar in operation to CentOS. > In fact CentOS is more or less identical > to an ancient version of Fedora. That's why I'm running Fedora too but then I'm not an end-user but an administrator/developer i.e. I actually know how to deal with the intricacies of the system and how to keep my system up-to-date in the absence of a direct upgrade path. Users who don't know much about system management cannot really deal with the complexities that arise from Fedoras fast development progress. > Incidentally, I don't really understand > what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. > I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. > But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? Desktop in this context basically means a system with a GUI that's primarily used through an attached monitor and keyboard as opposed to a server that has no GUI installed and is primarily managed through ssh/IPMI. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/15/2011 04:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us pie: >>> The "preupgrade" is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now >>> building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring >>> that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually. >> +1 > > I doubt that. The issue isn't the technology but the support issues that > can arise from updating systems between releases. Red Hat would have to > test all kinds of update scenarios and not only between two releases but > they'd also have to take into account systems that have been upgraded > several times. I'm pretty sure they will stick to the service migration > update path they are using now. preupgrade is only for migration for full releases, and does sorta kinda work It's been in fedora a year or so; I'm *not* looking forward to it hitting RHEL, and so CentOS, but I'm figuring it will, in another year or two. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Steve Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > >> Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? >>> this is what some braindead developers seems to think >>> but it is not true nor will it never get true! >>> >>> why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if >>> i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and >>> better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? >>> >> Don't you think you are in a very small minority, >> like 1% of the world? >> > > Not by a long long way. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > +1 ChrisG ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bond of bonds
What about BASP? Anyone using it ? ftp://ftp.dell.com/app/1q03-Bhu.pdf Paras. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > On 15 November 2011 13:08, Fred Wittekind wrote: > >> You can bridge two bonds together, and enable STP to prevent a loop. >> Although, don't get it wrong on a production network, it's not pretty. > > > Use decent switches, interlink them and create one big LACP bond across > both. > > Ben > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy >> wrote: >>> >>> Incidentally, I don't really understand >>> what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. >>> I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. >> >> 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to >> load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change > > Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a > monitor-on-a-stick Supermicro boards come with IPMI on-board these days so you can do all that work that you previously did standing next to the server from the confines of your cozy home. This is even more useful when you server is sitting in a rack in a cold, noisy, dry collocation facility. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, wrote: >> >> 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to >> load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change > > Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a > monitor-on-a-stick You only need that for installs or if you've done something wrong. And then it isn't really a 'display'/GUI as much as a text based tty emulator. >> the drive layout or use removable storage, and almost never change the >> network connections - and you expect the same programs to run for >> years. On a desktop, the display is the first priority, ownership of >> certain devices is expected to magically shift to the user at the >> console, developers will give up consistent device naming for boot >> speed, and nobody cares if last year's programs still run with this >> year's OS. > > I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they > know, and if the budget's tight Then you probably don't run Fedora - the 'desktop' oriented distribution, or care much for the non-backwards compatible changes that went from there to RHEL. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
Greetings- Is it possible to mount multiple block devices (or network devices over NFS/CIFS) such that the contents of the mounts appear in one location? For example, lets say I have these shares available: \\server1\volume1\ \\server1\volume2\ \\server1\volume3\ All three contain a directory called data, with different subdirectories. Typically, these would be mounted like so: mount \\server1\volume1\ /mnt/s1v1 mount \\server1\volume2\ /mnt/s1v2 mount \\server1\volume3\ /mnt/s1v3 And, each would have a corresponding 'data' dir at those mounts: /mnt/s1v1/data /mnt/s1v2/data /mnt/s1v3/data However, it is possible to mount all of the shares to one location, such that there is one 'data' dir, with the combined contents of each of the three shares? So, all shares are mounted at /mnt/s1, and the contents of the multiple data dirs appears in one single data dir? The only time I've seen such functionality is within the XBMC media center application. It allows you to mount multiple network shares, but shows them all in one location as a sort of 'overlay' view. Duplicate directories are shown have their contents merged, but remain intact on the actual shares/filesystem. Does any of this make sense? Is it possible with CentOS (pref. 6) ? --Tim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 and samba and nmblookup
At 08:21 AM 11/15/2011, you wrote: >On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, david wrote: > > > Folks > > > > I've installed Centos6 and Samba. I noticed that the program > > "nmblookup" and a few other Samba related programs, documented in the > > RHEL6 guide, are not included in Centos6. A search using YUM also > > did not find "nmblookup", using the repositories: > > base, centosplus, contrib, cr, epel, extras, updates, virtualbox > > > > Has its functionality been moved elsewhere, or should I try to find > > something wrong in my environment? > >yum install samba-client > >jh >__ Thanks. That did it. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Les Mikesell wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy >>> wrote: Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. >>> >>> 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to >>> load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change >> >> Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a >> monitor-on-a-stick > > Supermicro boards come with IPMI on-board these days so you can do all > that work that you previously did standing next to the server from the > confines of your cozy home. This is even more useful when you server is > sitting in a rack in a cold, noisy, dry collocation facility. Um, reality check time: what colo? I've got two server rooms, er, "computer labs", and a very small one. In the two, we've got maybe 150 or more servers. We don't have them all wired with IPMI. In fact, we don't have any of them cabled that way. Lessee, wouldn't that be an extra port for each server? Or a few servers with their own switches, and all those servers cabled? That's a lot of work for the three of us, *and* there are plenty of times when no, IPMI either a) doesn't work, or b) you have to physically powercycle the damn thing. Or the one that I have to run down to and hit so it'll finish posting. Or be there because I forgot to tell it fastboot before I rebooted it (or it rebooted), and I have to powercycle it, because, as a production box, we can't wait four or six hours for the fsck to complete. (Don't get me started on *that* state of affairs.) mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, wrote: >> I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they >> know, and if the budget's tight > > Then you probably don't run Fedora - the 'desktop' oriented > distribution, or care much for the non-backwards compatible changes > that went from there to RHEL. Hell, no, I don't run fedora. I've got three or four users, and my manager on one of his systems, who do. I *LOATHE* it, with all the grief upgrades have given me. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On 11/15/2011 05:40 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: >> On 11/15/2011 04:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: The "preupgrade" is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually. >>> +1 >> >> I doubt that. The issue isn't the technology but the support issues that >> can arise from updating systems between releases. Red Hat would have to >> test all kinds of update scenarios and not only between two releases but >> they'd also have to take into account systems that have been upgraded >> several times. I'm pretty sure they will stick to the service migration >> update path they are using now. > > preupgrade is only for migration for full releases, and does sorta kinda > work It's been in fedora a year or so; I'm *not* looking forward to it > hitting RHEL, and so CentOS, but I'm figuring it will, in another year or > two. It might be available as a package but I doubt it will be officially supported by RHEL. "sorta kinda" isn't good enough for an enterprise OS. If business customers begin hosing their systems with these upgrades then Red Hat will be in quite a bit of trouble. Sure upgrading from a sysv init based system to systemd init based system might work well for your LAMP system but what will it do to proprietary clunky software that is running out there? Will your complex Oracle DB setup actually survive that upgrade? Right now customers have to upgrade by creating new installs that they can test independently of their running infrastructure which makes them ultimately responsible for the "upgrade" (migration really) process. With an upgrade path between major versions Red Hat will become responsible for that and I'm not sure they are willing to bear that burden for all the possible various installations out there. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > But the autofs package contains automount, and that is what handles USB > drives, etc. Seriously, this isn't the case with the normal gnome automounting of usb devices. I've just tried uninstalling autofs and it merrily continues working. I've not poked under the skin of gnome to know what actually goes on, but figured udev's involved at some stage along with dbus. udisks seems to support that logic, but I really don't know the specifics. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Chris Geldenhuis wrote: > Steve Thompson wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> >> >>> Reindl Harald wrote: I have not understood / udder- stood (It should have spelled "understood", but it is a deliberate hack on that word ;) ) - this attitude. Hey!, One needs a family with wife and children. You know NRN's * -- With warm Regards and best wishes, Rajagopal PS: NRN: Shri N. R Narayana Murthy (Ex-charmain and CMD and currently the Charmain Emeritus of Infosys, India: Infosys.com) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Am 15.11.2011 15:52, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? >> >> this is what some braindead developers seems to think >> but it is not true nor will it never get true! >> >> why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if >> i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and >> better hardware as ever possible in a laptop? > > Don't you think you are in a very small minority, > like 1% of the world? no, no and again: NO and this will never be happen > What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? > I'd guess it is already over 50%. what percent of them are owing a real computer as i do own a Android too - from where is the dumb assumption that smartphone-users are ONLY using a smartphone? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, wrote: > >>> I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they >>> know, and if the budget's tight >> >> Then you probably don't run Fedora - the 'desktop' oriented >> distribution, or care much for the non-backwards compatible changes >> that went from there to RHEL. > > Hell, no, I don't run fedora. I've got three or four users, and my manager > on one of his systems, who do. I *LOATHE* it, with all the grief upgrades > have given me. And, correspondingly, you probably don't really run any 'desktop' applications that are visual or audio/video oriented. There are reasons for that side of the coin, but they don't mesh very well with server use and remind me of the early days of Windows. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On 11/15/2011 05:55 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: >> On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > Incidentally, I don't really understand > what is meant by the term "desktop" nowadays. > I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change >>> >>> Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a >>> monitor-on-a-stick >> >> Supermicro boards come with IPMI on-board these days so you can do all >> that work that you previously did standing next to the server from the >> confines of your cozy home. This is even more useful when you server is >> sitting in a rack in a cold, noisy, dry collocation facility. > > Um, reality check time: what colo? I've got two server rooms, er, > "computer labs", and a very small one. In the two, we've got maybe 150 or > more servers. We don't have them all wired with IPMI. In fact, we don't > have any of them cabled that way. Lessee, wouldn't that be an extra port > for each server? Or a few servers with their own switches, and all those > servers cabled? No, you can share the interface so you don't need any extra cables/ports at all. That's a lot of work for the three of us, *and* there are > plenty of times when no, IPMI either a) doesn't work, or b) you have to > physically powercycle the damn thing. Or the one that I have to run down You can physically power cycle the system with IPMI. > to and hit so it'll finish posting. Or be there because I forgot to > tell it fastboot before I rebooted it (or it rebooted), and I have to > powercycle it, because, as a production box, we can't wait four or six > hours for the fsck to complete. (Don't get me started on *that* state of > affairs.) You can hit using the IPMI console. You can also modify the BIOS settings. The IPMI controller is a completely separate system. You can physically shut down the computer and still connect to the IPMI subsystem/web interface and power it back on remotely. Obviously if you don't have IPMI on some systems or cannot use it for other reasons then that's tragic but inevitable. All I'm saying is that for new system you should strongly consider it. Back in the days you actually needed to buy an additional card for this but as I said on Supermicro boards/systems you now get this on-board and it simplifies administration greatly. Just a few days ago I had to re-install a system and in the process change the SATA settings from IDE to AHCI in the bios. In the past I had to go to the server to do this. Together with the managed switches I can completely revamp the entire infrastructure if I wanted to and wouldn't even have to leave my home to do it. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: In the US, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, that you will buy them electronic devices. My wife doesn't even have an iPod yet, does that make me a bad person? ;) I'd say: In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, finding ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. I buy old computer games, and she's *just* gone onto a £5 pounds a month mobile contract. You don't *have* to fully engage with modern society :) jh___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:44 PM, Tim Nelson piše: > > However, it is possible to mount all of the shares to one location, such that > there is one 'data' dir, with the combined contents of each of the three > shares? So, all shares are mounted at /mnt/s1, and the contents of the > multiple data dirs appears in one single data dir? > > The only time I've seen such functionality is within the XBMC media center > application. It allows you to mount multiple network shares, but shows them > all in one location as a sort of 'overlay' view. Duplicate directories are > shown have their contents merged, but remain intact on the actual > shares/filesystem. > > Does any of this make sense? Is it possible with CentOS (pref. 6) ? > If nothing else, you could create ans script that would create symlinks from all files in those directories into single one. I use that technique to create combined repository directory for mrepo. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
- Original Message - > Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:44 PM, Tim Nelson piše: > > > > However, it is possible to mount all of the shares to one location, > > such that there is one 'data' dir, with the combined contents of > > each of the three shares? So, all shares are mounted at /mnt/s1, and > > the contents of the multiple data dirs appears in one single data > > dir? > > > > The only time I've seen such functionality is within the XBMC media > > center application. It allows you to mount multiple network shares, > > but shows them all in one location as a sort of 'overlay' view. > > Duplicate directories are shown have their contents merged, but > > remain intact on the actual shares/filesystem. > > > > Does any of this make sense? Is it possible with CentOS (pref. 6) ? > > > If nothing else, you could create ans script that would create > symlinks > from all files in those directories into single one. I use that > technique to create combined repository directory for mrepo. > I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped there would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this automagically. --Tim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > Obviously if you don't have IPMI on some systems or cannot use it for other > reasons then that's tragic but inevitable. All I'm saying is that for new > system you should strongly consider it. Back in the days you actually > needed to buy an additional card for this but as I said on Supermicro > boards/systems you now get this on-board and it simplifies administration > greatly. Just a few days ago I had to re-install a system and in the > process change the SATA settings from IDE to AHCI in the bios. In the past > I had to go to the server to do this. Together with the managed switches I > can completely revamp the entire infrastructure if I wanted to and wouldn't > even have to leave my home to do it. Yep, it works really nicely in small HPC machines, where it completely replaces the managed PDUs we'd previously used, and costs you no extra cabling. In my case these are all Dell machines (IPMI's been standard for years on Dell servers). When the IPMI controller can be configured to use DHCP with a poke or two of the buttons on the front of the machine (if it's not been preconfigured) it's really quite quick to rack up and configure machines. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > >> In the US, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, >> that you will buy them electronic devices. > > My wife doesn't even have an iPod yet, does that make me a bad person? ;) Only if she likes music and you don't sing all the time... > I'd say: > > In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, > finding > ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. It just got worse here with the Kindle fire release. Aside from being a nice toy it will have an account attached for instant purchases from Amazon. > I buy old computer games, and she's *just* gone onto a £5 pounds a month > mobile contract. You don't *have* to fully engage with modern society :) Maybe, if all your friends and interests are local, and you don't travel yourself. Even my family is spread across most of the country these days. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:59 PM, John Hodrien piše: > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >> But the autofs package contains automount, and that is what handles USB >> drives, etc. > > Seriously, this isn't the case with the normal gnome automounting of usb > devices. I've just tried uninstalling autofs and it merrily continues > working. I've not poked under the skin of gnome to know what actually goes > on, but figured udev's involved at some stage along with dbus. udisks seems > to support that logic, but I really don't know the specifics. > I looked a little, and hald seams to be the one mounting them, or maybe udev. I read that one of those systems is absolete, but can not confirm, and I am out of free time to look for the answer at the time. Here is something from Kubuntu, maybe it points you in the right direction: "On my Kubuntu 10.04, the configuration file for halevt is located at /etc/halevt/halevt.xml. By Kubuntu default, halevt will automount all removable media with the option sync. It's much better to mount them read-only to avoid wearing on the media. To do so, modify the following lines in halevt.xml" -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped there > would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this > automagically. Presumably it's be easy enough to knock up with fuse, but there'd be a small performance hit compared to the symlink approach. Why are you wanting to do this out of interest? Are you merging filesystems from multiple servers? jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
- Original Message - > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped > > there > > would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this > > automagically. > > Presumably it's be easy enough to knock up with fuse, but there'd be a > small > performance hit compared to the symlink approach. A small loss of performance would be acceptable. > Why are you wanting to do this out of interest? Are you merging > filesystems > from multiple servers? Yes, multiple exports on multiple servers. The data is read by a legacy application that does not have a concept of 'multiple data locations' in which to read data from. :-/ --Tim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/15/2011 06:06 PM, Reindl Harald piše: > from where is the dumb assumption that There is no need for that. Mailing lists are for discussing, forums are for insulting and flame wars :D -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan > wrote: > Laptops are very much entertainment and educational devices. Things > useful at home even if you aren't interested in technology for its own > sake or using it for communicating with friends. > +-1 Look at Helios Project. I support them wholeheartedly. Ask Ken. I don't know if I will ever get a visa to US (in which I am least interested: am not willing to stand in the queue in US consulate), but, But, I will support Ken in all his endeavors, Remotely. If you want serious work done, I would prefer a Centos Desktop (5.x will do, as I have never installed Centos 6.0 yet, I would rather wait for Centos ISO [6.1|6.2]) before upgrading my production servers, which I am restrained upto Centos 5.2 as of a year back due to an idiotic fellow. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: >> >>> I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped >>> there >>> would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this >>> automagically. >> >> Presumably it's be easy enough to knock up with fuse, but there'd be a >> small >> performance hit compared to the symlink approach. > > A small loss of performance would be acceptable. > >> Why are you wanting to do this out of interest? Are you merging >> filesystems >> from multiple servers? > > Yes, multiple exports on multiple servers. The data is read by a legacy > application that does not have a concept of 'multiple data locations' in > which to read data from. :-/ Anything of interest here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:43 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn piše: > Supermicro boards come with IPMI on-board these days so you can do all that > work that you previously did standing next to the server from the confines > of your cozy home. This is even more useful when you server is sitting in a > rack in a cold, noisy, dry collocation facility. What is SuperMicro?? I am joking, I know what it is, but only top 10% of the companies in my country can afford proper hardware, I have never even seen IP KVM in person. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, wrote: >> I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they know, and if the budget's tight >>> >>> Then you probably don't run Fedora - the 'desktop' oriented >>> distribution, or care much for the non-backwards compatible changes >>> that went from there to RHEL. >> >> Hell, no, I don't run fedora. I've got three or four users, and my >> manager on one of his systems, who do. I *LOATHE* it, with all the >> grief upgrades have given me. > > And, correspondingly, you probably don't really run any 'desktop' > applications that are visual or audio/video oriented. There are > reasons for that side of the coin, but they don't mesh very well with > server use and remind me of the early days of Windows. Um, users here run eclipse, among many other things. At home, I run mplayer, realplayer, browser, gwenview... what "audio/video" apps were you thinking of? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:58 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn piše: > With an upgrade path between major versions Red Hat will become responsible > for that and I'm not sure they are willing to bear that burden for all the > possible various installations out there. I do not think they will, but 500MB boot partitions I create -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/15/2011 05:55 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: >>> On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy > wrote: >> > 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot > to load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely > change Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a monitor-on-a-stick >>> >>> Supermicro boards come with IPMI on-board these days so you can do all I understand you love your Supermicro boards. Fine. There's no way we're going to replace everything, which is what you seem to be suggesting. I would also need more ports, to plug in the IPMI interfaces on the boxes we have. Look (and, officially, I am speaking for myself, not my employer nor the US federal government), this is a US gov't agency. Why don't you call your Congresscritter and Senator, and tell them you personally want to donate the money to replace everything we have that doesn't have IPMI, and pay for the time install and cable it all up? That would be *great*... of course, some of our latest servers have 48 cores, and we just got some 64 core servers, so it might cost you a pretty penny Oh, yes, and then there's the official requirement that I be here during business hours. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM, John Hodrien > wrote: >> >> I'd say: >> >> In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, >> finding ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. > > It just got worse here with the Kindle fire release. Aside from being > a nice toy it will have an account attached for instant purchases from > Amazon. > Um, no. Not until I'm assured that it was pull *only*, and that Amazon COULD NOT PUSH... or don't you remember them deleting 1984? And $200 for a book reader? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
- Original Message - > > Anything of interest here? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS > YES, very interesting. This looks "on paper" at least to be what I'm looking for. Thanks for the pointer! --Tim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Johan Vermeulen wrote: > dear all, > > I configured Xfce on an Centos6 minimal install, I think its very fast, > even on al 512Mb machine. > > But I don't have any clue how to make a usb automount on this. > > Anybody can help me with this? I haven't installed xfce on C6 yet, and a rapid search suggests it's not available in base or extras. So I don't know where you got it from, and how it's packaged. But in C5, using the xfce packages from centos extras, that functionality is through thunar-volman. BTW you don't need autofs, and you don't need nautilus. I have neither on this xfce C5 system and automounting of usb works fine. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/15/11 6:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? > I'd guess it is already over 50%. to state the obvious, 50% of people are below average. mcdonalds sells more hamburgers than (pick-your-favorite-chophouse) sells steaks. therefore we should forget about steaks? there's more playstations/nintendos in the world than their are computers. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
Vreme: 11/15/2011 06:39 PM, John Hodrien piše: > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: > >> - Original Message - >>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: >>> I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped there would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this automagically. >>> >>> Presumably it's be easy enough to knock up with fuse, but there'd be a >>> small >>> performance hit compared to the symlink approach. >> >> A small loss of performance would be acceptable. >> >>> Why are you wanting to do this out of interest? Are you merging >>> filesystems >>> from multiple servers? >> >> Yes, multiple exports on multiple servers. The data is read by a legacy >> application that does not have a concept of 'multiple data locations' in >> which to read data from. :-/ > > Anything of interest here? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS > > jh > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > Yup, that should be it. Available Packages funionfs.x86_64 0.4.3-6.el6epel fuse-unionfs.x86_64 0.23-1.el6.rf repoforge Repoforge built variant seams better, but do not hold me for it. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/15/11 7:41 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? twitter is for twits. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Vreme: 11/15/2011 07:03 PM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg piše: > So I don't know where you got it from, and how it's packaged. It's in EPEL. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:27 PM, wrote: > Why don't you call your Congresscritter and Senator, and tell them you > personally want to donate > the money to replace everything we have that doesn't have IPMI, and pay > for the time install and cable it all up? That would be *great*... of > course, some of our latest servers have 48 cores, and we just got some 64 > core servers, so it might cost you a pretty penny > > Oh, yes, and then there's the official requirement that I be here during > business hours. I have to apolgise here Dear Mark. Your country has placed so may restrictions on "exports" that even India (a de-facto nuclear power) does not have the privilege of having such hardware. Even "Redhat" is afraid. That said, I have had situation in IDC's where I have managed about 45 Rack servers and 10 Blades -- all (then) Sun X and V servers from ground (tile floor up) for an App that is designed to tun on "only" those servers. I know the enormous difficulties the customer faced, and I had to help them justify. So let us just chill. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Vreme: 11/15/2011 07:04 PM, John R Pierce piše: > On 11/15/11 6:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? >> I'd guess it is already over 50%. > > to state the obvious, 50% of people are below average. http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm Only 30% of people in the world use Internet. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: >>> In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, >>> finding ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. >> >> It just got worse here with the Kindle fire release. Aside from being >> a nice toy it will have an account attached for instant purchases from >> Amazon. >> > Um, no. Not until I'm assured that it was pull *only*, and that Amazon > COULD NOT PUSH... Sure, you'll have to click the button. But with virtually everything in the world at your one-click fingertips (both downloadable content and physical stuff, mostly with free delivery if you aren't familiar with Amazon). > or don't you remember them deleting 1984? That wasn't censorship, it was correcting an error with appropriate refunds. I don't think they are particularly evil or controlling, just very tempting. > And $200 for a > book reader? That's a fantastic price for a color tablet - they are almost certainly losing money on it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
Make centos a new distro and forget about rh 2011/11/14 Alan McKay > These seems to me to be the first message in the series and provides a > really good summary of the changes at Red Hat which seem to be making > life a lot more difficult for CentOS. > > Just figured I'd pull it out of that thread and change the subject line. > > Below Johnny's email I've copied another from the original thread, > written by Lamar Owen, which gives some good explanation on how Red > Hat is able to get away with this. > > Basically from what I gather, while Red Hat cannot restrict access to > sources, they can restrict access to binaries. And since CentOS has a > goal of binary compatibility with upstream, they are essentially left > trying to hit an unknown target. But (now I'm stretching my limited > knowledge even further) Scientific does not have this restriction > since they are less concerned about exact binary compat. > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > On 10/21/2011 10:01 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg > >> wrote: > >> > Johnny, chill. I don't blame him for being confused. Up until right > now, > you updated to a point release, then, over the weeks and months, there > were updates. All of a sudden, there are *no* updates for the 6.0 > point > release, which is a major change in what everyone expected, based on > history. > >>> > >>> this is the way it has always been: once upstream releases x.y+1 , > there > >>> are no more updates to x.y (in upstream and therefore also in centos), > >>> until centos releases x.y+1 . > >> > >> Yes, but that used to be transparent, because the centos x.y+1 release > >> happened quickly so it didn't matter that the update repo was held > >> back until an iso build was done. > >> > > > > Yes, and NOW the release process is MUCH harder. > > > > Red Hat used to have an AS release that contained everything ... we > > build that and we get everything. Nice and simple. Build all the > > packages, look at it against the AS iso set ... done. Two weeks was > > about as long as it took. > > > > Now, for version 6, they have: > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux HPC Node (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation FasTrack (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server FasTrack (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop FasTrack (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Scalable File System (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Resilient Storage (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Load Balancer (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux HPC Node FasTrack (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux High Performance Network (v. 6) > > Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization > > > > They have the same install groups with different packages based on the > > above groupings, so we have to do some kind of custom generation of the > > comps files to things work. > > > > They have created an optional channel in several of those groupings that > > is only accessible via RHN and they do not put those RPMS on any ISOs > > ... and they have completely changed their "Authorized Use Policy" so > > that we can NOT login to RHN and use anything that is not on a public > > FTP server or on an ISO set ... effectively cutting us off from the > > ability to check anything on the optional channel. > > > > Now we have to engineer a compilation of all those groupings, we have to > > figure out what parts of the optional channels go at the point release > > and which ones do not (the ones that are upgrades). Sometimes the only > > way to tell is when something does not build correctly and you have > > reverse an optional package to a previous version for the build, etc. > > > > We have to use anaconda to build our ISOs and upstream is using > > "something else" to build theirs .. so anaconda NEVER works anymore out > > of the box. We get ISOs (or usb images) that do not work and have to > > basically redesign anaconda. > > > > We can't look at upstream build logs, we can't get all the binary RPMs > > for testing and be within the Terms of Service. > > > > And with the new release, it seems that they have purposely broken the > > rpmmacros, and do not care to fix it: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743229 > > > > So, trust me, it is MUCH more complicated now than it was with previous > > releases to build. > > > > With the 5.7 release, there were several SRPMS that did not make it to > > the public FTP server without much prompting from us. And with the > > Authorized Use Policy, I can not just go to RHN and grab that SRPM and > > use it. If it is not public, we can no longer release it. > > > > So, the short answer is, it now takes longer. > > > > Thanks, > > Johnny Hughes > > > Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu via centos.org > Oct 28 > to CentOS > On Friday, October 21, 2011 02:22:26 PM
Re: [CentOS] Centos6 - Xfce - howto add usb automount
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Vreme: 11/15/2011 07:03 PM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg piše: >> So I don't know where you got it from, and how it's packaged. > > It's in EPEL. ah yes, and I see they carry a thunar-volman package. OP, install that and you should be good. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:52 AM, wrote: > >>> Hell, no, I don't run fedora. I've got three or four users, and my >>> manager on one of his systems, who do. I *LOATHE* it, with all the >>> grief upgrades have given me. >> >> And, correspondingly, you probably don't really run any 'desktop' >> applications that are visual or audio/video oriented. There are >> reasons for that side of the coin, but they don't mesh very well with >> server use and remind me of the early days of Windows. > > Um, users here run eclipse, among many other things. At home, I run > mplayer, realplayer, browser, gwenview... what "audio/video" apps were you > thinking of? Vlc is probably the best of the bunch. But most of my laptop video-viewing is Netflix or from a Slingbox so I run Windows on the default-boot partition and run linux under VMware player or more often just connect to a server via NX/freenx for work. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: >> And $200 for a >> book reader? > > That's a fantastic price for a color tablet - they are almost > certainly losing money on it. > Dear Les, Look at Per capita monthly income of other countries: less that USD 100. And do you think anybody would buy that when they have a family to support? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita BTW, that is per PPP. Which not related to _actual_ cash flow to meet a family of four (let us say,). also look at Current balances of US, Italy, Greece, Ireland etc. per CIA factbook (Well, I could not ) and let us talk further. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html Where does US (and other European counties -- "The online Factbook is updated weekly. ISSN 1553-8133") rank ? All I will request you all is to open your eyes beyond technology. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 11/15/11 10:30 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: > And do you think anybody would buy that when they have a family to support? thats not amazon's target demographic, anyways. whats your point? by that argument, noone should be selling cars. stereos. TV sets. etc etc etc. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
on 11/15/2011 9:22 AM Tim Nelson spake the following: > - Original Message - >> Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:44 PM, Tim Nelson piše: >>> >>> However, it is possible to mount all of the shares to one location, >>> such that there is one 'data' dir, with the combined contents of >>> each of the three shares? So, all shares are mounted at /mnt/s1, and >>> the contents of the multiple data dirs appears in one single data >>> dir? >>> >>> The only time I've seen such functionality is within the XBMC media >>> center application. It allows you to mount multiple network shares, >>> but shows them all in one location as a sort of 'overlay' view. >>> Duplicate directories are shown have their contents merged, but >>> remain intact on the actual shares/filesystem. >>> >>> Does any of this make sense? Is it possible with CentOS (pref. 6) ? >>> >> If nothing else, you could create ans script that would create >> symlinks >> from all files in those directories into single one. I use that >> technique to create combined repository directory for mrepo. >> > > I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped there > would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this > automagically. > In Microsoft terms that sounds like Distributed file system. I think you can do that under samba... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On 15 Nov 2011, at 18:33, John R Pierce wrote: > thats not amazon's target demographic, anyways. whats your point? Here we go again. What does any of this have to do with CentOS, the topic of this list? Does every thread have to degenerate into bickering? If only my iPhone supported kill lists... Ben Sent from my iPhone ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
On 11/15/2011 01:05 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Vreme: 11/15/2011 06:39 PM, John Hodrien piše: >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm already doing this. It "works", but is quite messy. I had hoped > there > would be an actual filesystem merging function that would do this > automagically. Presumably it's be easy enough to knock up with fuse, but there'd be a small performance hit compared to the symlink approach. >>> A small loss of performance would be acceptable. >>> Why are you wanting to do this out of interest? Are you merging filesystems from multiple servers? >>> Yes, multiple exports on multiple servers. The data is read by a legacy >>> application that does not have a concept of 'multiple data locations' in >>> which to read data from. :-/ >> Anything of interest here? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS >> >> jh >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> >> > Yup, that should be it. > > Available Packages > funionfs.x86_64 0.4.3-6.el6epel > fuse-unionfs.x86_64 0.23-1.el6.rf repoforge > > Repoforge built variant seams better, but do not hold me for it. > how about mhddfs? $ yum search unionFS funionfs-debuginfo.x86_64 : Debug information for package funionfs funionfs.x86_64 : Union filesystem in userspace mhddfs.x86_64 : Fuse-based file system for unifying several mount points into : one -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Scott Silva wrote: > In Microsoft terms that sounds like Distributed file system. I think you can > do that under samba... Is that the same? I thought DFS was just about effectively having cross server symlinks so that one folder could be on one server and another on another transparently, but I didn't know it could effectively merge multiple folders into one. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: > >>> And $200 for a >>> book reader? >> >> That's a fantastic price for a color tablet - they are almost >> certainly losing money on it. >> > > Dear Les, Look at Per capita monthly income of other countries: less > that USD 100. Averages don't mean that much in places with high income disparity. > And do you think anybody would buy that when they have a family to support? Yes, if they were available there - does the much more expensive ipad have any sales? > All I will request you all is to open your eyes beyond technology. Sorry, I thought you were just against technology in the home or saying that it somehow interfered with family life. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS
On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > >> or don't you remember them deleting 1984? > > That wasn't censorship, it was correcting an error with appropriate > refunds. I don't think they are particularly evil or controlling, > just very tempting. > >> And $200 for a >> book reader? > > That's a fantastic price for a color tablet - they are almost > certainly losing money on it. that's the general consensus http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/11/15/142310104/why-amazon-loses-money-on-every-kindle-fire?ft=1&f=1001 Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (WHOA)
Hasn't this discussion drifted from the initial topic? I'm sure the price of tablets, of phone service, etc., are interesting to some, but PULEEZZE, look at the topic and ask "is the message contributing to the understanding of changes at RedHat confounding CentOS" David ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (WHOA)
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:12AM -0800, david wrote: > Hasn't this discussion drifted from the initial topic? Until various repeat offenders on this list are moderated or otherwise dealt with this nonsense is going to keep on happening. I wonder if their employers are aware of the time spent on the company's dime that is squandered by misuse of this list... John -- All I ask is this: Do something. Try something. Speaking out, showing up, writing a letter, a check, a strongly worded e-mail. Pick a cause -- there are few unworthy ones. And nudge yourself past the brink of tacit support to action. Once a month, once a year, or just once. -- Joss Whedon (1964-), writer and film director pgpAIpou6kMpD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
on 11/15/2011 10:48 AM John Hodrien spake the following: > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Scott Silva wrote: > >> In Microsoft terms that sounds like Distributed file system. I think you can >> do that under samba... > > Is that the same? I thought DFS was just about effectively having cross > server symlinks so that one folder could be on one server and another on > another transparently, but I didn't know it could effectively merge multiple > folders into one. > > jh I suppose it would have to be more like disparate subfolders shared under one root... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] "Overlay" Filesystem Mounts?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Scott Silva wrote: > I suppose it would have to be more like disparate subfolders shared under one > root... In which case it might as well just be a bunch of symlinks, and that's fairly easy to automatically maintain. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (WHOA)
On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:10, "John R. Dennison" wrote: > Until various repeat offenders on this list are moderated or otherwise > dealt with this nonsense is going to keep on happening. The signal to noise ratio has always been pretty low on this list but lately it has become so unbearable I'm seriously considering unsubscribing. Ben Sent from my iPhone ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Alan McKay wrote: >> Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility >> and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither >> is perfect. > > That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 > (and so long ago at that)? I got the impression that the reason owes to the fact that Scientific Linux is using a koji build server and had it up and running perhaps even before the 6.0 release. http://lwn.net/Articles/446556/ But in truth, don't trust what the non-invested people might speculate to be the reasons, the real answers can only come from the developers themselves. Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] pgadmin3 missing dependencies
I searched the list archives and I found one answer to this which suggested I should install the PG yum repos. I don't like that answer for reasons which follow. I'm running Centos 6.0 freshly installed, and I've decided that with this box I'm sticking as much as possible to just the CentOS repos that go with that release. I figure in particular I do not need any PG features above what are offered in release 8.4 that comes from the CentOS repos, so I don't really want to install PG repos. But first of all I do not even see pgadmin3 in the CentOS repos anywhere. Am I correct that in order to get this tool I need to get it from the PG repo? It seems odd to me that CentOS would not have it but stranger things have happened. So I pull down the pgadmin3 RPM manually, and try to do a manual install only to find that a number of RPMs are missing and required. I guess at this point I could just install the repo for PG to yum it all, but I'd like to know what RPMs are required and I am unable to figure that out. I figured out at least that I need libxslt, but cannot figure out from the below output what other RPMs are needed and where I get them. libxslt I got from 6.0 yum repos. [root@cc-bc4d99dffae2 ~]# rpm --install pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686.rpm warning: pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 442df0f8: NOKEY error: Failed dependencies: libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8.5) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_baseu_net-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_baseu_net-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_baseu_xml-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_baseu_xml-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_html-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_html-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_ogl-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_ogl-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_qa-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_stc-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_stc-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so.0(WXU_2.8) is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 wxGTK is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 [root@cc-bc4d99dffae2 ~]# -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Pollan, author of "In Defense of Food" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Craig White wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Alan McKay wrote: > >>> Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility >>> and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither >>> is perfect. >> >> That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 >> (and so long ago at that)? > > I got the impression that the reason owes to the fact that Scientific Linux > is using a koji build server and had it up and running perhaps even before > the 6.0 release. > > http://lwn.net/Articles/446556/ > > But in truth, don't trust what the non-invested people might speculate to be > the reasons, the real answers can only come from the developers themselves. > And note that one of the SL developers has taken a position at Red Hat, so things might be different in the future http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=897 -- Les ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] pgadmin3 missing dependencies
On 11/15/11 12:46 PM, Alan McKay wrote: > [root@cc-bc4d99dffae2 ~]# rpm --install pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686.rpm > warning: pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1 > Signature, key ID 442df0f8: NOKEY > error: Failed dependencies: > libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 is needed by pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686 try... # yum localinstall pgadmin3-1.12.2-1.rhel6.i686.rpm I haven' tried this, but it should work. It will tell you what other RPMs its going to install and ask if its OK before it does so. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] How can rpm "%{SUMMARY}" not be consistent?
I have been seeing something for quite some time which has confused me
considerably for over a year, perhaps one of you can help me understand.
Assumed: rpm queries are against _a_ database.
Assumed: database queries against the same database, without changes to
the data in the database, will return the same data.
Confusion: then why are some of the summaries reported by rpm different?
Each day I (cron.daily) run the following command
rpm -qa \
--qf
'"%{VENDOR}","%{NAME}","%{VERSION}","%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}","%{ARCH}","%
{SUMMARY}"\n' \
| sort -t\" -k3 > ${OUTFILE}
Stuff the resulting ${OUTFILE} in an rcs file.
And some days the rcs file will show deltas such as the following (which
was pulled from a rather recent set of flipflops):
--- mach.csv2011/11/15 10:50:04
+++ mach.csv2011/11/15 09:22:53
-"CentOS","bash","3.2","3.2-32.el5","i386","The GNU Bourne Again shell
(bash) version 3.1."
+"CentOS","bash","3.2","3.2-32.el5","i386","The GNU Bourne Again shell
(bash) version 3.2"
-"CentOS","compat-db","4.2.52","4.2.52-5.1","i386","The Berkeley DB
database library for CentOS 2.1 compatibility."
+"CentOS","compat-db","4.2.52","4.2.52-5.1","i386","The Berkeley DB
database library for Red Hat Linux 7.x compatibility."
-"CentOS","firefox","3.6.24","3.6.24-3.el5.centos","i386","Mozilla
Firefox Web browser."
+"CentOS","firefox","3.6.24","3.6.24-3.el5.centos","i386","Mozilla
Firefox Web browser"
-"Adobe Systems
Inc.","flash-plugin","11.1.102.55","11.1.102.55-release","i386","Adobe
Flash Player 7.0"
+"Adobe Systems
Inc.","flash-plugin","11.1.102.55","11.1.102.55-release","i386","Adobe
Flash Player 11.1"
-"CentOS","gdb","7.0.1","7.0.1-37.el5_7.1","i386","A GNU source-level
debugger for C, C++, Java and other languages."
+"CentOS","gdb","7.0.1","7.0.1-37.el5_7.1","i386","A GNU source-level
debugger for C, C++, Java and other languages"
-"CentOS","gettext","0.17","0.17-1.el5","i386","GNU libraries and
utilities for producing multi-lingual messages."
+"CentOS","gettext","0.17","0.17-1.el5","i386","GNU libraries and
utilities for producing multi-lingual messages"
-"CentOS","htmlview","4.0.0","4.0.0-2.el5","noarch","Tools for launching
Preferred Applications"
+"CentOS","htmlview","4.0.0","4.0.0-2.el5","noarch","Launcher of
Preferred Web Browser"
rpm -q --last compat-db htmlview
compat-db-4.2.52-5.1 Tue 17 Mar 2009 02:32:59
PM EDT
htmlview-4.0.0-2.el5 Tue 17 Mar 2009 02:21:59
PM EDT
i.e. these have been there, at this version, since machine install.
poking around in /var/lib/rpm/, with strings and grep, the only file I
find "Adobe Flash Player " in is Packages and I only find the "Adobe
Flash Player 11.1" variant of the string.
Yet at the same time
rpm -q \
--qf
'"%{VENDOR}","%{NAME}","%{VERSION}","%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}","%{ARCH}","%
{SUMMARY}"\n' \
flash-plugin
displays:
"Adobe Systems
Inc.","flash-plugin","11.1.102.55","11.1.102.55-release","i386","Adobe
Flash Player 7.0"
/var/tmp/rpm* is nonexistent.
Note: rpm does seem to be fairly consistent in its inconsistency, the
above applications are a small sampling of a larger *set* (out of ~180
packages that show this) that seems to keep flip flopping from one
SUMMARY to the other, *usually* in the day or two post a yum update (not
sure if reboots also affect it).
The summaries always bounce between the same text, i.e., htmlview has
always used either "Launcher of Preferred Web Browser" or "Tools for
launching Preferred Applications" and bash has always used either "The
GNU Bourne Again shell (bash) version 3.1." or "The GNU Bourne Again
shell (bash) version 3.2" (and a 3.1 version has never been installed on
the system).
RHEL machines show the same flip flops with the same packages and same
flopping summary texts.
So where is rpm getting the bad information from?
Can it be cleaned out? What would be lost by cleaning it out?
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