[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2013:0899 CentOS 6 perl-Makefile-Parser FASTTRACK Update

2013-06-04 Thread Johnny Hughes

CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2013:0899 

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2013-0899.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
917a6022cbd65be7cf77923f01cc940eafba78e7fed0cd731f9e0881189366a3  
perl-Makefile-Parser-0.211-2.el6.noarch.rpm

x86_64:
917a6022cbd65be7cf77923f01cc940eafba78e7fed0cd731f9e0881189366a3  
perl-Makefile-Parser-0.211-2.el6.noarch.rpm

Source:
fa6fb1142a0cdfb2343269fcfb29d56853edea1c65ae9ba125b8eca8c5fc2dff  
perl-Makefile-Parser-0.211-2.el6.src.rpm



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[CentOS-es] problemas con hp mini

2013-06-04 Thread Jose Manuel Ajhuacho Vargas
Buenos días tengo una hp mini 110-3805la, hace cinco días lo deje encendido 
pero el monitor cerrado, y para mala suerte se agoto la batería, ahora intento 
encender pero es como si estuviera en modo de ahorro de energía no se ve nada 
en la pantalla probé de conectar un monitor externo, ahí envía señal sin 
problemas, pero en su monitor muestra como si estuviera sin brillo, use la 
tecla fn+F3 que es para subir el brillo,  pero no reacciona, ya lo quite la 
pila de la placa tampoco reacciona, y creo que no es problema de pantalla 
alguien puede dar algo de luz

Atte Jose Manuel



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[CentOS-es] Nueva targeta de red

2013-06-04 Thread javier iglesias barban
Hola a toda la lista, alguien me puede decir si sabe como se puede agregar
una nueva targeta de red en fedora 16 o superior, es que no me reconoce la
nueva targeta de red. Fue un cambio ya que la que tenia se dañó.
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[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 100, Issue 1

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   1. CEBA-2013:0892  CentOS 5 rgmanager Update (Johnny Hughes)
   2. CEBA-2013:0891 CentOS 6 setuptool FASTTRACK Update (Johnny Hughes)
   3. CEBA-2013:0893  CentOS 6 selinux-policy Update (Johnny Hughes)
   4. CESA-2013:0898 Moderate CentOS 5 mesa Update (Johnny Hughes)
   5. CESA-2013:0897 Important CentOS 6 mesa Update (Johnny Hughes)
   6. CESA-2013:0896 Moderate CentOS 6 qemu-kvm Update (Johnny Hughes)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:48:18 +
From: Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2013:0892  CentOS 5 rgmanager Update
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Message-ID: 20130603114818.ga27...@chakra.karan.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2013:0892 

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2013-0892.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
9990c86eb1cbcef8237cce912d59b4e2758e8473a85d70de068e51e2348cdc0f  
rgmanager-2.0.52-37.el5.centos.3.i386.rpm

x86_64:
e8d6e01befd489b81022b98d2ffcb7b96b3a2cc8666fd5eb632d09bb4ab1d763  
rgmanager-2.0.52-37.el5.centos.3.x86_64.rpm

Source:
276c23ce42ca75b3dd2f25ee0e57b21024142a188a20bf7f2a06a1e1f44c7700  
rgmanager-2.0.52-37.el5.centos.3.src.rpm



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:34:31 +
From: Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2013:0891 CentOS 6 setuptool FASTTRACK
Update
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
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CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2013:0891 

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2013-0891.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
36446fd8595d5da4756548ddee55c2d6cea5276a2f4f7598d6fd260cd289d45c  
setuptool-1.19.9-4.el6.i686.rpm

x86_64:
e5784303d1779bc601a30eceb4621e27cb08a566c9aaa26edaa4ea1dd7ee8e25  
setuptool-1.19.9-4.el6.x86_64.rpm

Source:
c3bd69242b65f88995c3b7395c1fd2088b366c07fcbef24b14e82b5c14789ca9  
setuptool-1.19.9-4.el6.src.rpm



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:34:48 +
From: Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2013:0893  CentOS 6 selinux-policy
Update
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
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CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2013:0893 

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2013-0893.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
ed2e81c6e49bc95e9fc856e56ef5d556ce01a8320da3ddc473e93dc080d10f38  
selinux-policy-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
ca73161d06dfc52932895e0e09f35ba0edece97ef152a61fd13c51c659a14fe5  
selinux-policy-doc-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
26bdf1b81f9cab8776559f7c5dfc3e35934c9d47ea7c0b7810e5e5401745dd74  
selinux-policy-minimum-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
9b49abbe0a66c428af17f494ae1caaadccc5330e805848d73d5a0b39d8859b1a  
selinux-policy-mls-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
a4d07b07952cd24b2f9265801ce215d4a5925aebb8560788c15471f30871ef4e  
selinux-policy-targeted-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm

x86_64:
ed2e81c6e49bc95e9fc856e56ef5d556ce01a8320da3ddc473e93dc080d10f38  
selinux-policy-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
ca73161d06dfc52932895e0e09f35ba0edece97ef152a61fd13c51c659a14fe5  
selinux-policy-doc-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
26bdf1b81f9cab8776559f7c5dfc3e35934c9d47ea7c0b7810e5e5401745dd74  
selinux-policy-minimum-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
9b49abbe0a66c428af17f494ae1caaadccc5330e805848d73d5a0b39d8859b1a  
selinux-policy-mls-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm
a4d07b07952cd24b2f9265801ce215d4a5925aebb8560788c15471f30871ef4e  
selinux-policy-targeted-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.noarch.rpm

Source:
79646b7d323685762c33a61b26648937de05ea39317ff41acfb6c4a76ca6be04  
selinux-policy-3.7.19-195.el6_4.6.src.rpm



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[CentOS] Centos6.4 routing problem

2013-06-04 Thread Johan Vermeulen
dear All,

I'm facing this routing problem, the setup is actualy part of ltsp, but 
I think this problem is Centos-specific.

The server is a Dell Poweredge R210. The install is standard 6.4, updated.

I have one nic facing the public internet:

vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em1

DEVICE=em1
BOOTPROTO=none
HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2b
NM_CONTROLLED=no
ONBOOT=yes
TYPE=Ethernet
UUID=cdfe1d58-c56c-47fc-8a93-5df2e168d176
IPV6INIT=no
USERCTL=no
DNS2=195.238.2.22
DNS1=192.168.66.1
IPADDR=192.168.66.5
NETMASK=255.255.255.128
GATEWAY=192.168.66.1

and one nic serving the lan and dhpcd.

vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em2

DEVICE=em2
BOOTPROTO=none
HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2c
NM_CONTROLLED=no
ONBOOT=yes
TYPE=Ethernet
UUID=e72a17b6-fb5f-43f0-9136-fa4d92b542ae
IPADDR=192.168.70.129
NETMASK=255.255.255.128
IPV6INIT=no
USERCTL=no

in iptables, prerouting and masquerading are configured :

# Firewall configuration written by system-config-firewall
# Manual customization of this file is not recommended.
*nat
:PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
:POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
-A POSTROUTING -o eth+ -j MASQUERADE
-A POSTROUTING -o em2 -j MASQUERADE
COMMIT
*filter
:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
-A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i eth+ -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i em2 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -p icmp -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -i lo -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -i eth+ -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -i em2 -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -o eth+ -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -o em2 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
-A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
COMMIT

and in /etc/sysctl.conf

ipforwarding is set to 1

# Kernel sysctl configuration file for Red Hat Linux
#
# For binary values, 0 is disabled, 1 is enabled.  See sysctl(8) and
# sysctl.conf(5) for more details.

# Controls IP packet forwarding
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1


clients get ip adresses from dhcp server, and there's no other dhcp 
server on the lan.

But clients cannot ping the public internet, e.g. 8.8.8.8

the only EM I'm seeing is when executing command :

[root@centoshofkwartier ~]# sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter = 1
net.ipv4.conf.default.accept_source_route = 0
kernel.sysrq = 0
kernel.core_uses_pid = 1
net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1
error: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-ip6tables is an unknown key
error: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables is an unknown key
error: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables is an unknown key
kernel.msgmnb = 65536
kernel.msgmax = 65536
kernel.shmmax = 68719476736
kernel.shmall = 4294967296

I switched the cables and switches, and changed the connection with the 
public internet.

Can anybody offer some advise on this?

Greetings, J.




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Re: [CentOS] Centos6.4 routing problem

2013-06-04 Thread m . roth
Johan Vermeulen wrote:
 dear All,

 I'm facing this routing problem, the setup is actualy part of ltsp, but
 I think this problem is Centos-specific.

 The server is a Dell Poweredge R210. The install is standard 6.4, updated.

 I have one nic facing the public internet:

First, we always have BOOTPROTO set - in your case, assuming you're
getting em1's IP from DHCP, you should have that; in the case of em2, it's
BOOTPROTO=static. As it is, I'd think (without testing) that em1 is trying
to present a reserved IP to the 'Net, which is a no-no.

 vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em1

 DEVICE=em1
 BOOTPROTO=none
 HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2b
 NM_CONTROLLED=no
 ONBOOT=yes
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=cdfe1d58-c56c-47fc-8a93-5df2e168d176
 IPV6INIT=no
 USERCTL=no
 DNS2=195.238.2.22
 DNS1=192.168.66.1
 IPADDR=192.168.66.5
 NETMASK=255.255.255.128
 GATEWAY=192.168.66.1

 and one nic serving the lan and dhpcd.

 vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em2

 DEVICE=em2
 BOOTPROTO=none
 HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2c
 NM_CONTROLLED=no
 ONBOOT=yes
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=e72a17b6-fb5f-43f0-9136-fa4d92b542ae
 IPADDR=192.168.70.129
 NETMASK=255.255.255.128
 IPV6INIT=no
 USERCTL=no
snip
Secondly, what does route show?

   mark

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Re: [CentOS] Centos6.4 routing problem

2013-06-04 Thread Johan Vermeulen
hello Mark,

thanks for the help.
Op 04-06-13 15:56, m.r...@5-cent.us schreef:
 Johan Vermeulen wrote:
 dear All,

 I'm facing this routing problem, the setup is actualy part of ltsp, but
 I think this problem is Centos-specific.

 The server is a Dell Poweredge R210. The install is standard 6.4, updated.

 I have one nic facing the public internet:

 First, we always have BOOTPROTO set - in your case, assuming you're
 getting em1's IP from DHCP, you should have that; in the case of em2, it's
 BOOTPROTO=static. As it is, I'd think (without testing) that em1 is trying
 to present a reserved IP to the 'Net, which is a no-no.

both ifcfg's now have BOOTPROTO=static
and I restarted network and dhcpd.

 vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em1

 DEVICE=em1
 BOOTPROTO=none
 HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2b
 NM_CONTROLLED=no
 ONBOOT=yes
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=cdfe1d58-c56c-47fc-8a93-5df2e168d176
 IPV6INIT=no
 USERCTL=no
 DNS2=195.238.2.22
 DNS1=192.168.66.1
 IPADDR=192.168.66.5
 NETMASK=255.255.255.128
 GATEWAY=192.168.66.1

 and one nic serving the lan and dhpcd.

 vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em2

 DEVICE=em2
 BOOTPROTO=none
 HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2c
 NM_CONTROLLED=no
 ONBOOT=yes
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=e72a17b6-fb5f-43f0-9136-fa4d92b542ae
 IPADDR=192.168.70.129
 NETMASK=255.255.255.128
 IPV6INIT=no
 USERCTL=no
 snip
 Secondly, what does route show?

 mark

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[root@centoshofkwartier ~]# route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
192.168.70.128  *   255.255.255.128 U 0 00 em2
192.168.66.0*   255.255.255.128 U 0 00 em1
link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 1002 00 em1
link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 1003 00 em2
default 192.168.66.10.0.0.0 UG0 00 em1

greetings, J.


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Re: [CentOS] Centos6.4 routing problem

2013-06-04 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/04/2013 09:20 AM, Johan Vermeulen wrote:
 dear All,

 I'm facing this routing problem, the setup is actualy part of ltsp, but
 I think this problem is Centos-specific.

 The server is a Dell Poweredge R210. The install is standard 6.4, updated.

 I have one nic facing the public internet:

 vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em1

 DEVICE=em1
 BOOTPROTO=none
 HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2b
 NM_CONTROLLED=no
 ONBOOT=yes
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=cdfe1d58-c56c-47fc-8a93-5df2e168d176
 IPV6INIT=no
 USERCTL=no
 DNS2=195.238.2.22
 DNS1=192.168.66.1
 IPADDR=192.168.66.5
 NETMASK=255.255.255.128
 GATEWAY=192.168.66.1

 and one nic serving the lan and dhpcd.

 vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em2

 DEVICE=em2
 BOOTPROTO=none
 HWADDR=d4:ae:52:c1:28:2c
 NM_CONTROLLED=no
 ONBOOT=yes
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=e72a17b6-fb5f-43f0-9136-fa4d92b542ae
 IPADDR=192.168.70.129
 NETMASK=255.255.255.128
 IPV6INIT=no
 USERCTL=no

 in iptables, prerouting and masquerading are configured :

 # Firewall configuration written by system-config-firewall
 # Manual customization of this file is not recommended.
 *nat
 :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
 :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
 :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
 -A POSTROUTING -o eth+ -j MASQUERADE
 -A POSTROUTING -o em2 -j MASQUERADE
Shouldn't this be em1?
 COMMIT
 *filter
 :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
 :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
 :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
 -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -i eth+ -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -i em2 -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -p icmp -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i lo -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i eth+ -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i em2 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -o eth+ -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -o em2 -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
 -A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
 COMMIT

 and in /etc/sysctl.conf

 ipforwarding is set to 1

 # Kernel sysctl configuration file for Red Hat Linux
 #
 # For binary values, 0 is disabled, 1 is enabled.  See sysctl(8) and
 # sysctl.conf(5) for more details.

 # Controls IP packet forwarding
 net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1


 clients get ip adresses from dhcp server, and there's no other dhcp
 server on the lan.

 But clients cannot ping the public internet, e.g. 8.8.8.8

 the only EM I'm seeing is when executing command :

 [root@centoshofkwartier ~]# sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf
 net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
 net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter = 1
 net.ipv4.conf.default.accept_source_route = 0
 kernel.sysrq = 0
 kernel.core_uses_pid = 1
 net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1
 error: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-ip6tables is an unknown key
 error: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables is an unknown key
 error: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables is an unknown key
 kernel.msgmnb = 65536
 kernel.msgmax = 65536
 kernel.shmmax = 68719476736
 kernel.shmall = 4294967296

 I switched the cables and switches, and changed the connection with the
 public internet.

 Can anybody offer some advise on this?

 Greetings, J.






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Re: [CentOS] Centos6.4 routing problem

2013-06-04 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 06/04/2013 04:20 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
 On 06/04/2013 09:20 AM, Johan Vermeulen wrote:
 in iptables, prerouting and masquerading are configured :

 # Firewall configuration written by system-config-firewall
 # Manual customization of this file is not recommended.
 *nat
 :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
 :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
 :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
 -A POSTROUTING -o eth+ -j MASQUERADE
 -A POSTROUTING -o em2 -j MASQUERADE

 Shouldn't this be em1?

Yes, -o is outgoing and it should be em1, not em2

 COMMIT
 *filter
 :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
 :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
 :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
 -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -i eth+ -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -i em2 -j ACCEPT
 -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -p icmp -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i lo -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i eth+ -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i em2 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -o eth+ -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -o em2 -j ACCEPT

Check if you should have this line. It has been a long time I needed to 
use iptables for forwarding, nut I do not remember using -A FORWARD and 
-o together.
Do you at all need all those -A FORWARD lines for masquerading?

 -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
 -A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
 COMMIT



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Re: [CentOS] Cert RHCSA

2013-06-04 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
 Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that
 certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case,
 it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!

 Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.

 Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!

This is just not true.  Most companies who actually hire workers and pay
salaries want certified people.

One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not mean
that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced
bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the
certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications.

In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or
maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or low
water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has.

It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what they
look like professionally.

In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications
mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your
mileage may vary.





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