Re: [CentOS] EL7 mirror: "There is no installed groups file."
On 1/8/2014 17:00, Mark LaPierre wrote: > On 01/07/2014 08:27 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> (I'm trying to set up a CUPS server. So yeah, X11 is a prerequisite for >> installing a printer now. Lovely.) > > How about using http://localhost:631 with lynx or some other such text > based browser. I ended up writing a 2-line .xinitrc file to solve this problem: xterm & exec metacity This at least lets me temporarily "shell into X," as it were. This works because I've got enough of X and GNOME installed that I can get the GUI up and run programs, but the GNOME desktop proper isn't yet completely functional. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: >> > the voip setup for home/small users is the best example. if > asterisk@home were done as a part of the centos community, how cool > would that have been? I'd throw SMEserver, ClearOS, and the old (up to CentOS5) version of K12LTSP in that bucket too. Maybe someone will roll a new K12LTSP that comes up working as installed again now. Is this likely to result in Scientific Linux converging with the base version? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] EL7 mirror: "There is no installed groups file."
On 01/07/2014 08:27 PM, Warren Young wrote: > I installed the RHEL 7 beta here to test while waiting for CentOS 7 to > arrive. On noticing that yum didn't work, I decided to set up a local > mirror. I rsync'd > >ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/rhel/beta/7/x86_64/os/Packages/ > > to a local web server here, then regenerated the repodata directory with > createrepo. > > Now yum works fine, for the most part. "yum search foo" pulls up a > plausible list of packages, "yum install bar" chases dependencies as > expected, etc. > > Unfortunately, "yum groupinstall" isn't working, which means I have no > easy way to install Gnome on my minimal EL7 installation. Apparently I > need some kind of "groups file" to feed to createrepo --groupfile, but I > don't know where to get one, or how to construct one. I've dug around > on ftp.redhat.com and can't find anything that looks plausible. > > I've tried manually installing packages to build up this GNOME desktop, > but despite installing dozens of things, startx still doesn't give me > something usable. > > I know I could get a GNOME desktop by reinstalling the OS, but that > would wipe out a lot of the local work I've done on this VM so far. > > The only reason I need X in the first place is that > system-config-printer no longer runs in text mode. > > (I'm trying to set up a CUPS server. So yeah, X11 is a prerequisite for > installing a printer now. Lovely.) How about using http://localhost:631 with lynx or some other such text based browser. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
hi, On 01/08/2014 02:47 PM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > One thing that struck me in Karanbir's message was the marketing > mumbo-jumbo such as "the next generation of emerging technologies" and > "a platform that is easily consumed". > > Karanbir usually writes better than that, so I suppose that someone > else had a important role in drafting the message. i am sorry about that - some of those things came through in my attempt to reduce the post from just over 2400 words to under 1000. I didnt make it, it was still over a 1k words. But i do mean that, lots of really cool stuff was bootstrapped on CentOS, but not here - and in many cases, so far away from the project that people had to do it again and again. the voip setup for home/small users is the best example. if asterisk@home were done as a part of the centos community, how cool would that have been? the next generation of cool stuff is all also happening out there, and I really do want to bring as much of that into the centos community as possible - after all, we are a user and problem lead community, not a developer led one where someone is just churning out new code to see what works and what does not. its been hard to do in the past, mostly down to the constraints - Red Hat TM issues, protect the buildservice, handle 100+ sponsors, work on community issues, get that update out in the 45 min between dinner time and kid's bedtime etc. And remember, a critical artifact of this group : we are a user led community, not a developer led one. Massive win, in my opinion. But the lack of developer density has been a problem. And I dont know how much of that we will get access to, but at >0 we are already winning. right ? Now 'easily consumed'... becuase we can start opening up the buildsystem, publish all the scripts we write, post instance and image specs - and anyone/everyone is welcome to join the effort since the needs of privacy and secrecy are dramatically reduced ( i assure you, this is one of the top wins in my books ). Come join me in an officehours meetup ( http://wiki.centos.org/OfficeHours ) - lets talk about these things :) - KB -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
This is great news!! Congrats and thanks to everyone that has put in all the hard work to make this a great environment. Michael Weiner On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red > Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining > forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards > team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation > beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies. > Working alongside the Fedora and RHEL ecosystems, we hope to further > expand on the community offerings by providing a platform that is > easily consumed, by other projects to promote their code while we > maintain the established base. > > We are also launching the new CentOS.org website ( > http://www.centos.org ). > > - - > The new initiative is going to be overseen by the new CentOS Governing > Board. The initial Board comprises of the existing CentOS Core team > members : > > - - Ralph Angenent > - - Tru Hyunh > - - Johnny Hughes JR > - - Jim Perrin > - - Karanbir Singh > > and also sees new members: > - - Fabian Arrotin, who comes to the board nominated from the community > - - Carl Trieloff, Karsten Wade, and Mike McLean join us, nominated by > Red Hat. > > Please join me in welcoming the new members to the Board. > > The key operating points of the Board are going to be: Public, Open, > and Inclusive. You can find more information about the governance > model, the board, and the operating policies we are proposing at > http://www.centos.org/about/governance/ > > Furthermore, some of the existing CentOS Core members are moving to > take up roles at Red Hat, as a part of their sponsorship of the CentOS > Project, allowing these people to work on the Project as their primary > job function. This includes Johnny Hughes Jr, Jim Perrin, Fabian > Arrotin, and myself. We will be working with and operating out of the > Red Hat Open Source and Standards team in the CTO's Office. > > - - > Some of the things that are not changing: > - - The CentOS Linux platform isn't changing. The process and methods > built up around the platform however are going to become more open, > more inclusive and transparent. > - - The sponsor driven content network that has been central to the > success of the CentOS efforts over the years stays intact. > - - The bugs, issues, and incident handling process stays as it has been > with more opportunities for community members to get involved at > various stages of the process. > - - The Red Hat Enterprise Linux to CentOS firewall will also remain. > Members and contributors to the CentOS efforts are still isolated from > the RHEL Groups inside Red Hat, with the only interface being srpm / > source path tracking, no sooner than is considered released. In > summary: we retain an upstream. > > Feel free to reach out if you have specific concerns about how this > change impacts your CentOS story. URLs mentioned at the bottom of this > email should be a good starting point. > > - - > Some of the key things that are changing: > - - Some of us now work for Red Hat, but not RHEL. This should not have > any impact to our ability to do what we have done in the past, it > should facilitate a more rapid pace of development and evolution for > our work on the community platform. > > - - Red Hat is offering to sponsor some of the buildsystem and initial > content delivery resources - how we are able to consume these and when > we are able to make use of this is to be decided. > > - - Sources that we consume, in the platform, in the addons, or the > parallel stacks such as Xen4CentOS will become easier to consume with > a git.centos.org being setup, with the scripts and rpm metadata needed > to create binaries being published there. The Board also aims to put > together a plan to allow groups to come together within the CentOS > ecosystem as a Special Interest Group (SIG) and build CentOS Variants > on our resources, as officially endorsed. You can read about the > proposal at http://www.centos.org/variants/ > > - - Because we are now able to work with the Red Hat legal teams, some > of the contraints that resulted in efforts like CentOS-QA being behind > closed doors, now go away and we hope to have the entire build, test, > and delivery chain open to anyone who wishes to come and join the effort. > > The changes we make are going to be community inclusive, and promoted, > proposed, formalised, and actioned in an open community centric manner > on the centos-devel mailing list. And I highly encourage everyone to > come along and participate. > > - - > Contacting us works best via the established community mechanisms. > - - Real time chats via IRC ( http://wiki.centos.org/irc ) ; To keep > conversation sanity intact, I recommend using the #centos-devel > c
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/08/2014 04:37 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> On 01/08/2014 03:01 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> Warren Young wrote: On 1/8/2014 01:14, Sorin Srbu wrote: > Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. True, but Fedora is a bleeding-edge Linux, while CentOS is a stable Linux. Both have their place. >>> 1++ (and boy, do I *hate* bleeding edge) >> Some years back I REALLY tried living with Centos on my notebook. I now >> put up with the Fedora eol joys. Just jumped from 17 to 20. You just >> got to love, ahem, what the Gnome team is doing > No. (And if you *had* to do fedora, why not 19?) Because it will be eol before you blink. So even if f20 is brand new, you at least live with it for a while before the next update. Plus i got to find a bug with NVRAM update with my Lenovo x120e which is now an RFE for f21. If I had been on f19, might not have caught this, or had a bigger struggle to get them to realize that the NVRAM update should be the LAST step of the installation, not so early, so if it fails you still have a bootable install. I got some good help to get things working. > A thought: have you considered trying to install dual boot with the > current CentOS? I've been considering redoing my netbook, with the thought > of getting rid of the Ubuntu netbook remix Well since I am now running on an SSD drive, I have my old HD to test with. Maybe. Or maybe I will wait until Centos 7 comes out. ;) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 01/08/2014 03:01 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Warren Young wrote: >>> On 1/8/2014 01:14, Sorin Srbu wrote: Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. >>> True, but Fedora is a bleeding-edge Linux, while CentOS is a stable >>> Linux. Both have their place. >> 1++ (and boy, do I *hate* bleeding edge) > > Some years back I REALLY tried living with Centos on my notebook. I now > put up with the Fedora eol joys. Just jumped from 17 to 20. You just > got to love, ahem, what the Gnome team is doing No. (And if you *had* to do fedora, why not 19?) A thought: have you considered trying to install dual boot with the current CentOS? I've been considering redoing my netbook, with the thought of getting rid of the Ubuntu netbook remix mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] freenx vs KVM Virtual Machine Manager - mouse poiner
When I run the GUI Virtual Machine Manager in an NX/freenx session and open a console to a windows guest VM (haven't tried Linux w/X as a guest yet), the mouse point location does not track correctly. Is there some setting to improve this? X2go seems better in this respect but I'm not sure I want to switch yet. Normally I'd use vnc or remote-desktop connections directly to the guest anyway, but there are times you need to use the virtual consoles. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 1/8/2014 12:23 PM, Peter wrote: > If this were to > happen then CentOS would be no worse off than it was before the move to > RedHat in the first place. well, it would find itself having to scramble to reestablish independent infrastructure. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/09/2014 09:01 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Warren Young wrote: >> >> This is a good thing. > > If that's it, I agree. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. I can think of 101 different reasons as to why this move is good for RedHat, and no reason why them picking up CentOS only to kill it would be good for them. If RedHat were to kill CentOS it would just leave the door open to other clones to step in and fill the gap, other ones such as SL or puias which are not as strict in cloning RHEL, so could give RedHat a bad name if the clone has problems, or worse yet, Oracle. The worst thing I can see happening here is that RedHat may decide at some point in the future that the relationship isn't working out and will simply release CentOS back as a fully community-driven project, they've done this before on other projects and it's not a malicious move that kills the project it's just going separate ways. If this were to happen then CentOS would be no worse off than it was before the move to RedHat in the first place. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/08/2014 03:01 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Warren Young wrote: >> On 1/8/2014 01:14, Sorin Srbu wrote: >>> Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. >> True, but Fedora is a bleeding-edge Linux, while CentOS is a stable >> Linux. Both have their place. > 1++ (and boy, do I *hate* bleeding edge) Some years back I REALLY tried living with Centos on my notebook. I now put up with the Fedora eol joys. Just jumped from 17 to 20. You just got to love, ahem, what the Gnome team is doing ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Warren Young wrote: > On 1/8/2014 01:14, Sorin Srbu wrote: >> >> Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. > > True, but Fedora is a bleeding-edge Linux, while CentOS is a stable > Linux. Both have their place. 1++ (and boy, do I *hate* bleeding edge) > > I think that's the real reason Red Hat is doing this: they want to make > sure CentOS 7 launches smoothly, and are helping out the best way they > can. > > Another good reason for Red Hat to do this is that they now have a > serious answer to Ubuntu Server and Debian. Before, they were saying, > "Well, if you want no-cost Red Hattish Linux, you can go to *those* > people over *there*." Now they can point to an official Red Hat > sponsored offering. When/if those people want commercial support and > such, they can use CentOS as an on-ramp to RHEL. Yup. And since RH's big thing, like many old computer companies, is service... and with this, the shops that are CentOS only will be more likely to buy a RHEL license or two, to get guaranteed response to issues... which makes it a lot more palatable to upper management, who often only knows WinDoze. > > This is a good thing. If that's it, I agree. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Brian Miller wrote: > >> that doesn't make any sense. >> >> a SYN packet comes in, is forwarded to serverA and serverB >> >> both servers reply with an 'ack' man, is the client tcp stack going >> to be confused! > > > He didn't say anything about both servers replying, only that he wanted > to mirror all port 80 traffic. Maybe he's trying to develop a protocol > specific IDS, or maybe he wants to build some sort of OOB transaction > log of his HTTP traffic. But if you are going to do that, you probably wouldn't need (or want) the IP addresses to be modified in the packets - you'd make it work at layer 2 and use a switch with a monitor port (or for lower bandwidth, an old fashioned hub) to fan out copies of the packets. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 1/8/2014 01:14, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. True, but Fedora is a bleeding-edge Linux, while CentOS is a stable Linux. Both have their place. Red Hat knows there are pieces of the Linux market it will never be able to grab significant share in. Low-end web hosting, for example. Think about it: is it better for Red Hat to spike CentOS' wheels on the hope that people will go running to RHEL, or is it better for Red Hat to make sure the CentOS project runs smoothly, so that it can keep some kind of fingerhold on these sections of the market? I know people like conspiracy theories, but do you think the pain of getting CentOS 6 out the door did Red Hat any real good? No. All that did was make Red Hat look bad. I think that's the real reason Red Hat is doing this: they want to make sure CentOS 7 launches smoothly, and are helping out the best way they can. Another good reason for Red Hat to do this is that they now have a serious answer to Ubuntu Server and Debian. Before, they were saying, "Well, if you want no-cost Red Hattish Linux, you can go to *those* people over *there*." Now they can point to an official Red Hat sponsored offering. When/if those people want commercial support and such, they can use CentOS as an on-ramp to RHEL. This is a good thing. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 11:23 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > that doesn't make any sense. > > a SYN packet comes in, is forwarded to serverA and serverB > > both servers reply with an 'ack' man, is the client tcp stack going > to be confused! He didn't say anything about both servers replying, only that he wanted to mirror all port 80 traffic. Maybe he's trying to develop a protocol specific IDS, or maybe he wants to build some sort of OOB transaction log of his HTTP traffic. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On 1/8/2014 5:02 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: > Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic (to > port 8080) to be forwarded to*ALL* defined target IP addresses. that doesn't make any sense. a SYN packet comes in, is forwarded to serverA and serverB both servers reply with an 'ack' man, is the client tcp stack going to be confused! -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On 01/08/2014 11:32 AM, Darr247 wrote: > On 2014-01-08 8:02 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: >> Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic >> (to port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. > Sometimes the correct answer is, "you can't do that." :) > > You can talk TO port 80 on all the defined target IP addresses, but not > FROM port 8080 on a single IP address. Please explain how you do that with iptables. Thanks. > > You could define a different outside port to forward to port 80 on each > internal IP address, though. > e.g. > forward 8081 to 80 on machine1 > forward 8082 to 80 on machine2 > forward 8083 to 80 on machine3 > forward 8084 to 80 on machine4 > forward 8085 to 80 on machine5 > et cetera > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves* Director of Technology Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Joseph Spenner wrote: > >> Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic >> (to port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. >> > > What is the goal (other than forward 1 request to 2 servers)? > It would kinda be a mess, since each server would reply to the request(s). > Are you trying to have a pair of web servers sync'd up identically for > disaster / redundancy purposes? The concept doesn't even make sense for TCP connections where the stack requires acks and sequencing. Are you trying to bridge to a capture device or something? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Hash rounds in /etc/libuser.conf won't work - how to report a bug
Two weeks ago I reported a problem I was having in the CentOS 5 Security Support forum. I could not get hash rounds, configured in /etc/libuser.conf, to work on CentOS release 5.10 (Final), 2.6.18-371.3.1.el5 x86_64. The details are here: https:// www.centos.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=24&sid=44859638070165ed5d8d9c35cdbe0378 I read all the documentation and looked for more off the CentOS site. I searched the entire CentOS site for hash_rounds_min and hash_rounds_max, the parameters changed in libuser.conf to configure the desired changes, without a single hit in any area on either. Nearly 800 people have seen my post and not a single reply; not unusual in that forum for what may be an infrequent situation. I'm guessing very few people have tried these options. At the same time I changed the hashing algorithm. Hash rounds only works with sha256 or sha512. This worked the first time. The concept of configurable hash rounds is the administrator can adapt the the hashing process to the specific hardware on which this is being configured and on faster hardware when a system is installed late in a OSs life cycle, up the rounds to make cracking harder. If an admin is willing to make users wait 2 seconds on every login and su, then a cracker on similar hardware could only get 0.5 cracks per second. This would make even 3 character passwords that did not fall to dictionary attacks tedious, and "good" 6 character passwords would be uncrackable. Even with a fast cracking network, with multiple GPGPU enabled PCs and a mixture of compromised systems working 10,000 times faster than the single PC, good 6 character passwords would be a serious obstacle and 8 quite uncrackable. I need this for a paper I'm writing which maintains "After 20 Years, Windows Passwords Still Broken". I want to compare Windows' poor MD4 with no salts (this is about NT hashes, not the notoriously broken LM hashes), to Unix like with salts, choice of algorithms, and hashing cycle control. The comparison is much weaker if I have no working example for one of the 3 key pieces on the Unix side. If anyone has successfully used hash rounds controls, I'd very much like to know what you did that I missed in my detailed forum report. It's possible there is no bug. I'm basing this on the belief that 900 million to 1 billion hashing rounds should produce a substantial delay and not complete in a small fraction of a second. Either my knowledge is way of or my PC MUCH faster than I thought it was, or there is a bug, if I've done everything correctly according to the documentation. I looked up how to report a bug and this said to submit the report to the CentOS-qa mailing list but I cannot find such a list. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
- "Nikolaos Milas" escreveu: > De: "Nikolaos Milas" > Para: "CentOS mailing list" > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 8 de Janeiro de 2014 11:02:48 (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected > Assunto: Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic > > On 8/1/2014 11:54 πμ, Antonio da Silva Martins Junior wrote: > > > Well, I had only used with a "range". Maybe you can take a look on a > > software load-balancer, like haproxy, or use something like nginx. > > Then forward to the load-balancer instead to the servers. > > Thanks, > > Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic > (to port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. > What is the goal (other than forward 1 request to 2 servers)? It would kinda be a mess, since each server would reply to the request(s). Are you trying to have a pair of web servers sync'd up identically for disaster / redundancy purposes? == If life gives you lemons, keep them-- because hey.. free lemons. "~heart~ Sticker" fixer: http://microflush.org/stuff/stickers/heartFix.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] FF 24 is borked: One must have tabs, like it or not!
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:16:46 +0100 Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: > > > On 01/07/2014 04:39 PM, John Doe wrote: > > From: Robert Heller > > > >> I just did a yum update on my CentOS 5.10 desktop machine and it installed > >> FF > >> 24. And tabs have appeared and cannot be [really] removed! Arg!!! *I > >> HATE > >> TABS!* (Yes I did installed the "hide tabs when there is only one > >> tab" > >> plugin, but that is not really a complete solution.) > >> I don't like tabs too. Try this: preferences> tabs: Open new windows in a new tab instead OFF Don't load tabs until selected ON about:config: browser.tabs.AutoHide true browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick false It works for me: middle click opens new window. Fedora, all firefox versions. BR, Bob ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > Is Red Hat in business to make money ... of course they are. Does Red > Hat make more money or less money if their community projects do well? > Of course they make more money if more people use their community > projects. Red Hat wants CentOS, Fedora, RDO, GlusterFS, oVirt, > OpenShift Origin, and every other project where they provide support to > do thrive and grow. I've always thought Red Hat was at its best before they started restricting access to the finished product, even to the community that contributed most of the code and bug reports that made it possible and usable. That is, when they just sold support and the released code was the same for everyone, including the binaries. Without that, I don't think they would exist today. While I greatly appreciate the CentOS project and the way it has continued this access in a practical sense, I still don't understand why Red Hat thinks it is a good idea to dilute their brand name or make it less visible and well known. (Well, I can understand it with Fedora as the never-finished work in progress, but not for the equivalent of the base CentOS as an exact clone.). -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/08/2014 10:16 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Thomas Göttgens wrote: >> They do that right now. >> >> - CentOS Plus-Kernel >> - CentOS Extras >> - Xen4CentOS >> >> Are all NOT upstream but CentOS original projects. Read the part about SIG >> in the FAQ and you know what this will eventually become. > > I hope the 'centos minimal' iso continues to be supported. That has > become my favorite install approach, especially where someone in a > remote office has to bring a box up to where I can ssh to it and add > our applications. I do wish it included openssh-clients and rsync to > make the next steps easier, though... > That won't go away. This is purely an additive process. Nothing changes for what we already do. If you want to use the new stuff we do or a variant that someone else comes up with, great. If not, the base/updates will always be there, minimal included. -- Jim Perrin The CentOS Project | http://www.centos.org twitter: @BitIntegrity | GPG Key: FA09AD77 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On 2014-01-08 8:02 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: > Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic > (to port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. Sometimes the correct answer is, "you can't do that." :) You can talk TO port 80 on all the defined target IP addresses, but not FROM port 8080 on a single IP address. You could define a different outside port to forward to port 80 on each internal IP address, though. e.g. forward 8081 to 80 on machine1 forward 8082 to 80 on machine2 forward 8083 to 80 on machine3 forward 8084 to 80 on machine4 forward 8085 to 80 on machine5 et cetera ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] FF 24 is borked: One must have tabs, like it or not!
On 01/07/2014 04:39 PM, John Doe wrote: > From: Robert Heller > >> I just did a yum update on my CentOS 5.10 desktop machine and it installed FF >> 24. And tabs have appeared and cannot be [really] removed! Arg!!! *I HATE >> TABS!* (Yes I did installed the "hide tabs when there is only one >> tab" >> plugin, but that is not really a complete solution.) >> >> In the Mozilla support forum thread relating to this >> (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/968331) there is mention of >> SeaMonkey which has better control of tabs and I was wondering: is there a >> supported version of SeaMonkey that will install under RHEL5 / CentOS5? >> Specificly, I am looking for RPMs for SeaMonkey, rather than the tarball >> install. > > Otherwise, seamonkey is in epel... for C6 but not for C5 In fact SM >= 2.22 does not run on C5 (although <= 2.21 did), see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=937035 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Thomas Göttgens wrote: > They do that right now. > > - CentOS Plus-Kernel > - CentOS Extras > - Xen4CentOS > > Are all NOT upstream but CentOS original projects. Read the part about SIG > in the FAQ and you know what this will eventually become. I hope the 'centos minimal' iso continues to be supported. That has become my favorite install approach, especially where someone in a remote office has to bring a box up to where I can ssh to it and add our applications. I do wish it included openssh-clients and rsync to make the next steps easier, though... -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Sorin Srbu wrote: > My first thought as well. Redhat already has Fedora as a testing > ground. So for Redhat acquiring another free distribution makes me wary, > unnecessarily so maybe... One thing that struck me in Karanbir's message was the marketing mumbo-jumbo such as "the next generation of emerging technologies" and "a platform that is easily consumed". Karanbir usually writes better than that, so I suppose that someone else had a important role in drafting the message. Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/08/2014 09:19 AM, Thomas Göttgens wrote: > Is there Xen Support in Fedora? > > You're completely missing the point here. Redhat ist not going to influence > the direction centos is going, but merely saying it will advocate > 'variations' of centos, i.e. additional package sets much like Xen4CentOS or > the much abused OpenStack (at least in that FAQ) ;-) I have talked a bit with Redhat people at the ETSI NFV meetings. We will see how NFV is met and what part OpenStack plays. Of course the customers just want the reality of NFV with the economic drivers that are pushing us in that direction. If OpenStack is part of the solution, and is secure (my role in the process), then it will get deployed. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Is there Xen Support in Fedora? You're completely missing the point here. Redhat ist not going to influence the direction centos is going, but merely saying it will advocate 'variations' of centos, i.e. additional package sets much like Xen4CentOS or the much abused OpenStack (at least in that FAQ) ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] Im Auftrag von Alain Péan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Januar 2014 15:11 An: centos@centos.org Betreff: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat Le 08/01/2014 15:01, Thomas Göttgens a écrit : > They do that right now. > > - CentOS Plus-Kernel > - CentOS Extras > - Xen4CentOS Is RHEL interested by Xen ? In RHEL 6, there is no more Xen support, only KVM. This is the motivation for the Xen4CentOS project... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Le 08/01/2014 15:01, Thomas Göttgens a écrit : > They do that right now. > > - CentOS Plus-Kernel > - CentOS Extras > - Xen4CentOS Is RHEL interested by Xen ? In RHEL 6, there is no more Xen support, only KVM. This is the motivation for the Xen4CentOS project... -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
They do that right now. - CentOS Plus-Kernel - CentOS Extras - Xen4CentOS Are all NOT upstream but CentOS original projects. Read the part about SIG in the FAQ and you know what this will eventually become. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] Im Auftrag von Alain Péan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Januar 2014 15:00 An: CentOS mailing list Betreff: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat Le 08/01/2014 14:54, Reindl Harald a écrit : > *which independence*?? > > CentOS is a*bug for bug* indentical rebuild of RHEL > you will never face*any* change or bugfix in CentOS > which is not done in the same RHEL package > > so about*what* independance are you talking about? For example to build a 100% bug for bug release of RHEL, and not : "better able to serve the needs of open source community members who require different or faster-moving components" From : http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/ This is a kind of Fedora ? Will it supported 10 years, by recompiling the RHEL source updates too ? Alain -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Le 08/01/2014 14:54, Reindl Harald a écrit : > *which independence*?? > > CentOS is a*bug for bug* indentical rebuild of RHEL > you will never face*any* change or bugfix in CentOS > which is not done in the same RHEL package > > so about*what* independance are you talking about? For example to build a 100% bug for bug release of RHEL, and not : "better able to serve the needs of open source community members who require different or faster-moving components" From : http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/ This is a kind of Fedora ? Will it supported 10 years, by recompiling the RHEL source updates too ? Alain -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
From: Nikolaos Milas > Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic (to > port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. Could you describe the traffic exchange you expect...? 1. http request to 8080. 2. request is forwarded to n servers on 80. 3. n servers give n answers to the firewall/proxy. 4. 1 request and n answers...? JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
- "Nikolaos Milas" escreveu: > De: "Nikolaos Milas" > Para: "CentOS mailing list" > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 8 de Janeiro de 2014 11:02:48 (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected > Assunto: Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic > > On 8/1/2014 11:54 πμ, Antonio da Silva Martins Junior wrote: > > > Well, I had only used with a "range". Maybe you can take a look on a > > software load-balancer, like haproxy, or use something like nginx. > > Then forward to the load-balancer instead to the servers. > > Thanks, > > Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic > (to port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. > Well, Maybe if you can explain more what you want. If you forward this to *ALL* servers, all will answer the request, and then from what server you will send the answer to the client? If the software uses some session control how it´ll be done? As each server can create an unique session control. Sorry, but I didn´t understand what you are trying to do :D Antonio. -- Antonio da Silva Martins Jr. Analista de Suporte NPD - Núcleo de Processamento de Dados UEM - Universidade Estadual de Maringá email: asmart...@uem.br fone: +55 (44) 3011-4015 / 3011-4411 inoc-dba: 263076*100 "Real Programmers don’t need comments — the code is obvious." -- Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo sistema de antivirus e acredita-se estar livre de perigo. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Hello Alain, On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 01:57:54PM +0100, Alain Péan wrote: > Le 08/01/2014 11:54, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > > Red Hat wants their paid platforms to continue to be successful, they > > therefore want their community projects to be successful. > > I am a little bit dubious about that. Why would they sell RHEL, and give > away the same thing, CentOS, just recompiled from sources ? > The only thing I can see in this way is that Red Hat is mainly selling > support, but why in this case don't give RHEL for free ? The more stability to have from Open Source, the better product and happy customers you have for RHEL. So Red Hat has huge support for Open Source, including CentOS. But you are right, Red Hat is also stright on having paying customers stay with RHEL and they do not give away their base RHEL product for free. > > At least, I fear CentOS will lose its independance. This is for sure, Red Hat has taken over. It is not a cooperation on infrastructure or similar, but kind of the "community of CentOS" to move into Red Hat proper... best regards, Florian La Roche ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On 8/1/2014 11:54 πμ, Antonio da Silva Martins Junior wrote: > Well, I had only used with a "range". Maybe you can take a look on a > software load-balancer, like haproxy, or use something like nginx. Then > forward to the load-balancer instead to the servers. Thanks, Actually, I don't want load balancing; I want incoming http traffic (to port 8080) to be forwarded to *ALL* defined target IP addresses. ...But I still don't know if this is possible with iptables. I hope someone here can provide more info. I am not sure if haproxy or nginx can be used to simply forward all inbound traffic to a number of public IP Addresses (anywhere on the Internet) at the same time, as this is a very special scenario: it is different both fom a forward proxy and from a reverse proxy -with or without load-balancing- (which is usually implemented with such software). If, however, it is feasible, I would be interested to know which is the directive for this feature in the respective software (so I can investigate further). Best regards, Nick ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
Le 08/01/2014 11:54, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > Red Hat wants their paid platforms to continue to be successful, they > therefore want their community projects to be successful. I am a little bit dubious about that. Why would they sell RHEL, and give away the same thing, CentOS, just recompiled from sources ? The only thing I can see in this way is that Red Hat is mainly selling support, but why in this case don't give RHEL for free ? At least, I fear CentOS will lose its independance. Alain -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 107, Issue 4
Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-annou...@centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-requ...@centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-ow...@centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat (Karanbir Singh) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:09:27 + From: Karanbir Singh Subject: [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat To: CentOS Announcements List Message-ID: <52cc6d07.5050...@centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies. Working alongside the Fedora and RHEL ecosystems, we hope to further expand on the community offerings by providing a platform that is easily consumed, by other projects to promote their code while we maintain the established base. We are also launching the new CentOS.org website ( http://www.centos.org ). - - The new initiative is going to be overseen by the new CentOS Governing Board. The initial Board comprises of the existing CentOS Core team members : - - Ralph Angenent - - Tru Hyunh - - Johnny Hughes JR - - Jim Perrin - - Karanbir Singh and also sees new members: - - Fabian Arrotin, who comes to the board nominated from the community - - Carl Trieloff, Karsten Wade, and Mike McLean join us, nominated by Red Hat. Please join me in welcoming the new members to the Board. The key operating points of the Board are going to be: Public, Open, and Inclusive. You can find more information about the governance model, the board, and the operating policies we are proposing at http://www.centos.org/about/governance/ Furthermore, some of the existing CentOS Core members are moving to take up roles at Red Hat, as a part of their sponsorship of the CentOS Project, allowing these people to work on the Project as their primary job function. This includes Johnny Hughes Jr, Jim Perrin, Fabian Arrotin, and myself. We will be working with and operating out of the Red Hat Open Source and Standards team in the CTO's Office. - - Some of the things that are not changing: - - The CentOS Linux platform isn't changing. The process and methods built up around the platform however are going to become more open, more inclusive and transparent. - - The sponsor driven content network that has been central to the success of the CentOS efforts over the years stays intact. - - The bugs, issues, and incident handling process stays as it has been with more opportunities for community members to get involved at various stages of the process. - - The Red Hat Enterprise Linux to CentOS firewall will also remain. Members and contributors to the CentOS efforts are still isolated from the RHEL Groups inside Red Hat, with the only interface being srpm / source path tracking, no sooner than is considered released. In summary: we retain an upstream. Feel free to reach out if you have specific concerns about how this change impacts your CentOS story. URLs mentioned at the bottom of this email should be a good starting point. - - Some of the key things that are changing: - - Some of us now work for Red Hat, but not RHEL. This should not have any impact to our ability to do what we have done in the past, it should facilitate a more rapid pace of development and evolution for our work on the community platform. - - Red Hat is offering to sponsor some of the buildsystem and initial content delivery resources - how we are able to consume these and when we are able to make use of this is to be decided. - - Sources that we consume, in the platform, in the addons, or the parallel stacks such as Xen4CentOS will become easier to consume with a git.centos.org being setup, with the scripts and rpm metadata needed to create binaries being published there. The Board also aims to put together a plan to allow groups to come together within the CentOS ecosystem as a Special Interest Group (SIG) and build CentOS Variants on our resources, as officially endorsed. You can read about the proposal at http://www.centos.org/variants/ - - Because we are now able to work with the Red Hat legal teams, some of the contraints that resulted in efforts like CentOS-QA being behind closed doors, now go away and we hope to have the
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Johnny Hughes > Sent: den 8 januari 2014 11:54 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red > Hat > > Karanbir Singh (the Chair of the CentOS Project board) and Robyn > Bergeron (the Fedora Project Leader) have both posted blog entries that > discuss these items in further detail: > > http://www.karan.org/blog/2014/01/07/as-a-community-for-the-community/ > > http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/centos-welcome/ Thanks for linking to the blog posts, it made me appreciate why the move was made, incl some of the "softer" values. I think I understand it clearer now. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
op 08-01-14 11:54, Johnny Hughes schreef: > On 01/08/2014 02:14 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >>> Behalf Of Yves Bellefeuille >>> Sent: den 8 januari 2014 01:36 >>> To: centos@centos.org >>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red >>> Hat >>> With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies. >>> Wow. I'm not entirely sure this is good news. We'll see. >> My first thought as well. Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. So >> for Redhat acquiring another free distribution makes me wary, unnecessarily >> so >> maybe... >> >> I hope CentOS will continue to be The "free" stable enterprise solution. >> -- >> //Sorin > Think about this. RDO, GlusterFS, oVirt, and OpenShift Origin are all > Red Hat community offerings that need to have a long lived community > base OS to speed their usage and growth. > > All of those also have a paid equivalent (Open Stack Platform, Storage, > RHEV, and Open Shift) where Red Hat gets paying customers if the > community projects thrive. It is absolutely in Red Hat's best interest > for all of the community software listed above to do well. > > Red Hat wants their paid platforms to continue to be successful, they > therefore want their community projects to be successful. > > CentOS and Red Hat are joining forces to make those (and other) > community projects more successful. It is a simple as that and it is in > both the CentOS Project's and Red Hat's best interest for both of us to > thrive and grow. > > Fedora, a Linux distribution to deliver "state of the art" features, is > also always going to be "Red Hat Enterprise Linux ... Next". Fedora is > also a great Linux distribution in its own right. It is obviously still > very much in Red Hat's best interest for Fedora to continue to grow. > > Is Red Hat in business to make money ... of course they are. Does Red > Hat make more money or less money if their community projects do well? > Of course they make more money if more people use their community > projects. Red Hat wants CentOS, Fedora, RDO, GlusterFS, oVirt, > OpenShift Origin, and every other project where they provide support to > do thrive and grow. > > Is it in the CentOS Project's best interest for RHEL and Fedora to > continue to grow ... of course it is. > > Karanbir Singh (the Chair of the CentOS Project board) and Robyn > Bergeron (the Fedora Project Leader) have both posted blog entries that > discuss these items in further detail: > > http://www.karan.org/blog/2014/01/07/as-a-community-for-the-community/ > > http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/centos-welcome/ > > This is not rocket science folks. We all want all of these open source > projects to do well. > > I am very excited about this arrangement and I think we all win. > > Thanks, > Johnny Hughes > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos +1 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/08/2014 02:14 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >> Behalf Of Yves Bellefeuille >> Sent: den 8 januari 2014 01:36 >> To: centos@centos.org >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red >> Hat >> >>> With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red >>> Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining >>> forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards >>> team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation >>> beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies. >> Wow. I'm not entirely sure this is good news. We'll see. > My first thought as well. Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. So > for Redhat acquiring another free distribution makes me wary, unnecessarily > so > maybe... > > I hope CentOS will continue to be The "free" stable enterprise solution. > -- > //Sorin Think about this. RDO, GlusterFS, oVirt, and OpenShift Origin are all Red Hat community offerings that need to have a long lived community base OS to speed their usage and growth. All of those also have a paid equivalent (Open Stack Platform, Storage, RHEV, and Open Shift) where Red Hat gets paying customers if the community projects thrive. It is absolutely in Red Hat's best interest for all of the community software listed above to do well. Red Hat wants their paid platforms to continue to be successful, they therefore want their community projects to be successful. CentOS and Red Hat are joining forces to make those (and other) community projects more successful. It is a simple as that and it is in both the CentOS Project's and Red Hat's best interest for both of us to thrive and grow. Fedora, a Linux distribution to deliver "state of the art" features, is also always going to be "Red Hat Enterprise Linux ... Next". Fedora is also a great Linux distribution in its own right. It is obviously still very much in Red Hat's best interest for Fedora to continue to grow. Is Red Hat in business to make money ... of course they are. Does Red Hat make more money or less money if their community projects do well? Of course they make more money if more people use their community projects. Red Hat wants CentOS, Fedora, RDO, GlusterFS, oVirt, OpenShift Origin, and every other project where they provide support to do thrive and grow. Is it in the CentOS Project's best interest for RHEL and Fedora to continue to grow ... of course it is. Karanbir Singh (the Chair of the CentOS Project board) and Robyn Bergeron (the Fedora Project Leader) have both posted blog entries that discuss these items in further detail: http://www.karan.org/blog/2014/01/07/as-a-community-for-the-community/ http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/centos-welcome/ This is not rocket science folks. We all want all of these open source projects to do well. I am very excited about this arrangement and I think we all win. Thanks, Johnny Hughes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014, Karanbir Singh wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red > Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining > forces with Red Hat. Great news guys, well done. Regards Mike ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS on HP DL360e with B120i
From: John R Pierce > On 1/7/2014 10:39 AM, Tony Mountifield wrote: >> I am trying to install CentOS5 on a new HP DL360e G8 with B120i disk >> controller. It appears that a proprietary HP driver is needed for it. > > fwiw, centos 6.recent should recognize that controller, I know it > supports the P420i thats in the DL??0p Gen8 systems. AFAIK, B120i is a fake raid that needs an hp driver... /begin_rant The same that is in the microserver g8 I sadly just bought... Sadly because: fake raid, no driver for 6.5 (yet) => kernel panic on 6.5. And, the icing on the cake: if you use AHCI instead, the so called super silent server sounds like an hair drier (drives temperature is only reported by the RAID drivers, so without RAID, they force the fan to a set speed... apparently close to 5 times the average speed: 6% => 30%)! HP response: do not use AHCI... product works as expected... /end_of_rant Good: hp raid utilities and compatible with other hardware hp raid controllers if you upgrade later. Bad: install annoyances, dependance on driver to be up to date with OS release, and AHCI + mdraid is more portable? JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS on HP DL360e with B120i
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Tony Mountifield wrote: > I have no problem understanding the options and following the procedures. > My question was just to see whether other people's experience would suggest > it was worth the effort of going down the hardware RAID and proprietary > driver route. >From the HP info http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/arraycontrollers/dynamicsmartarray/ it looks like this is a software raid card, you're probably better of just using mdraid unless your card has a flash backed write cache module _or_ you need drive format compatibility with other smart array controllers. "...Eliminating most of the hardware RAID controller components, and relocating advanced RAID algorithms from a hardware-based controller into device driver software lowers the total solution cost,.." ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS on HP DL360e with B120i
In article <525fd2f695e5e2f3215fc3c468a046e3.squir...@host290.hostmonster.com>, wrote: > Tony Mountifield wrote: > > I am trying to install CentOS5 on a new HP DL360e G8 with B120i disk > > controller. It appears that a proprietary HP driver is needed for it. > > > > I found a useful description at > > http://www.linuxhelp.in/2013/08/Installing-centos-on-HP-Proliant-DL360e-Gen8-with-B120i-controller.html > > > > I have a pair of hard drives to use as a RAID1 mirror. > > Have you already set up the drives in the firmware to present to the o/s? > If you haven't done that before, on a system that has all the drives going > through the hardware controller, you need to know that you *must* go that > way. After, the o/s will see it correctly as SATA/scsi. > > With Dells and a PERC, even if you don't want RAID, you *must* create it > on your drives as raid 0? Something, and then it presents that as a drive. Yes, I've been through the drive setup in the BIOS to create a RAID1 mirrored volume, and specified in the BIOS to use the Smart Array controller rather than plain AHCI mode. Without HP's proprietary driver, the kernel just sees the separate drives as AHCI anyway, and according to the above instructions, even *with* the right driver it is necessary to blacklist the AHCI driver to prevent spurious detection of the bare drives. > > My question to people who may have been this way already is: is it worth > > my fiddling around with that procedure to get the RAID controller working, > > performance-wise, or might I just as well use AHCI mode with kernel > > mdraid? > > Intel fakeRAID, I do that. For a real h/w RAID controller, you not only > should use it, you *must* use it. As I said, the BIOS offers me the option of bypassing the RAID and just using the bare disks in AHCI mode, which I could easily do with mdraid. I have no problem understanding the options and following the procedures. My question was just to see whether other people's experience would suggest it was worth the effort of going down the hardware RAID and proprietary driver route. Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: t...@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: t...@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
- "Nikolaos Milas" escreveu: > De: "Nikolaos Milas" > Para: "CentOS mailing list" > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 8 de Janeiro de 2014 6:43:16 (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected > Assunto: Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic > > On 7/1/2014 6:19 μμ, Antonio da Silva Martins Junior wrote: > > > If you put it that way only xxx will receive packets, to balance > betwin both of them > > you will need this: > > > > -A PREROUTING -s 10.250.250.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT > > --to-destination xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx-yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy:80 > > Thank you, > > According to "man iptables", this defines an inclusive *range*. Yet, I > don't want a range, but two (or more) distinct ip addresses. How can > this be done? > Humm... Well, I had only used with a "range". Maybe you can take a look on a software load-balancer, like haproxy, or use something like nginx. Then forward to the load-balancer instead to the servers. Att., Antonio. -- Antonio da Silva Martins Jr. Analista de Suporte NPD - Núcleo de Processamento de Dados UEM - Universidade Estadual de Maringá email: asmart...@uem.br fone: +55 (44) 3011-4015 / 3011-4411 inoc-dba: 263076*100 "Real Programmers don’t need comments — the code is obvious." -- Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo sistema de antivirus e acredita-se estar livre de perigo. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS on HP DL360e with B120i
In article <52cc4b9e.3090...@hogranch.com>, John R Pierce wrote: > On 1/7/2014 10:39 AM, Tony Mountifield wrote: > > I am trying to install CentOS5 on a new HP DL360e G8 with B120i disk > > controller. It appears that a proprietary HP driver is needed for it. > > fwiw, centos 6.recent should recognize that controller, I know it > supports the P420i thats in the DL??0p Gen8 systems. > > Silly question, why are you installing c5 on a new system, its lifecycle > is already half over. Because it's a complete turnkey system that we haven't yet ported to C6; that's in the pipeline. :) Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: t...@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: t...@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
On 01/08/2014 09:14 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: >> Behalf Of Yves Bellefeuille >> Sent: den 8 januari 2014 01:36 >> >> Wow. I'm not entirely sure this is good news. We'll see. > > My first thought as well. Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. So > for Redhat acquiring another free distribution makes me wary, unnecessarily > so > maybe... I wouldn't worry so much. RedHat has every incentive to keep CentOS very much alive and well. Consider that if RedHat were to try to kill CentOS then they would have Oracle chomping at the bit to take over with Oracle Linux and that is a scenario that RedHat almost certainly does not want. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Extract PDF portfolio
Am 08.01.2014 10:18, schrieb Rob Kampen: > On 01/08/2014 09:59 PM, Nicole Hähnel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am searching for a command line tool to extract files from a pdf >> portfolio? >> Are there any capabilities to do this? > try pdftk, I use: > pdftk 1.44 a Handy Tool for Manipulating PDF Documents > Copyright (C) 2003-10, Sid Steward - Please Visit: www.pdftk.com > This is free software; see the source code for copying conditions. > There is > NO warranty, not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR > PURPOSE. > >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Kind regards, >> Nicole >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos And is it possible to check in batch if a pdf is a portfolio? Thanks! Nicole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Extract PDF portfolio
On 01/08/2014 09:59 PM, Nicole Hähnel wrote: Hi, I am searching for a command line tool to extract files from a pdf portfolio? Are there any capabilities to do this? try pdftk, I use: pdftk 1.44 a Handy Tool for Manipulating PDF Documents Copyright (C) 2003-10, Sid Steward - Please Visit: www.pdftk.com This is free software; see the source code for copying conditions. There is NO warranty, not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Thanks in advance! Kind regards, Nicole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Extract PDF portfolio
Hi, I am searching for a command line tool to extract files from a pdf portfolio? Are there any capabilities to do this? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, Nicole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Forward http traffic
On 7/1/2014 6:19 μμ, Antonio da Silva Martins Junior wrote: > If you put it that way only xxx will receive packets, to balance betwin > both of them > you will need this: > > -A PREROUTING -s 10.250.250.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT > --to-destination xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx-yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy:80 Thank you, According to "man iptables", this defines an inclusive *range*. Yet, I don't want a range, but two (or more) distinct ip addresses. How can this be done? Thanks, Nick ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Yves Bellefeuille > Sent: den 8 januari 2014 01:36 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red > Hat > > > With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red > > Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining > > forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards > > team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation > > beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies. > > Wow. I'm not entirely sure this is good news. We'll see. My first thought as well. Redhat already has Fedora as a testing ground. So for Redhat acquiring another free distribution makes me wary, unnecessarily so maybe... I hope CentOS will continue to be The "free" stable enterprise solution. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
