[CentOS] Centos7: server gui vs Gnome

2014-07-10 Thread Johan Vermeulen
Hello All,

thanks for all the hard work and making Centos7 happen.

I installed Centos7 with option "server with gui" and with "Gnome".
There seems to be no difference. Both are some 1240 packages and the 
result is twice a Gnome dekstop.

Isn't the " server with gui" option suppose to produce something lighter?

Greetings, J.

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[CentOS] CentOS 7 debuginfo repo

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Goldstone
Hi

I've just been looking for the debuginfo packages for CentOS 7 (I'm using
systap in an attempt to judge the performance of some new tape drives), but
upon enabling the debug repo, I just get a 404 looking for the repo's
metadata. Any clues on where I might be able to get these packages?

Thanks

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
> >
> > 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
> >
> 
> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)

5 hole or 7 hole ?


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 debuginfo repo

2014-07-10 Thread Christoph Neuhaus
Hi

> I've just been looking for the debuginfo packages for CentOS 7 (I'm using
> systap in an attempt to judge the performance of some new tape drives), but
> upon enabling the debug repo, I just get a 404 looking for the repo's
> metadata. Any clues on where I might be able to get these packages?

 from the announcement mail:

Debuginfo packages are also being signed and pushed. They should be
online by the end of this week, July 11th.


See http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-July/020393.html for 
the complete text.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread mark
On 07/10/14 06:42, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>>>
>> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>
> 5 hole or 7 hole ?
>

Sorry, but when I hear that, I think of what my first wife used as the 
typesetter for an underground newspaper

mark



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[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 113, Issue 5

2014-07-10 Thread centos-announce-request
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   1. CESA-2014:0861 Moderate CentOS 6 lzo Update (Johnny Hughes)
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   3. CESA-2014:0865 Moderate CentOS 6 tomcat6 Update (Johnny Hughes)
   4. CESA-2014:0866 Moderate CentOS 5 samba3x Update (Johnny Hughes)
   5. CESA-2014:0866 Moderate CentOS 6 samba Update (Johnny Hughes)
   6. CESA-2014:0861 Moderate CentOS 7 lzo Update (Johnny Hughes)
   7. CESA-2014:0867 Moderate CentOS 7 samba Update (Johnny Hughes)
   8. CEBA-2014:0869 CentOS 6 unixODBC FASTTRACK Update (Johnny Hughes)
   9. CEBA-2014:0868 CentOS 6 telnet FASTTRACK Update (Johnny Hughes)
  10. CEBA-2014:0870 CentOS 7 NetworkManager Update (Johnny Hughes)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:38:49 +
From: Johnny Hughes 
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2014:0861 Moderate CentOS 6 lzo Update
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2014:0861 Moderate

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-0861.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
5573a762c075a0d03f070c6bd0b47c41311fff66e21e034863d514ee65d8c081  
lzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.i686.rpm
907cb1f02c1cd88d554ae30160febcc2cfebca948fb27c82529c5bb598104a37  
lzo-devel-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.i686.rpm
2e5506e295dc1d0814afafe4a08a09f0c2db857adaa73f025850d2b2c830e8de  
lzo-minilzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.i686.rpm

x86_64:
5573a762c075a0d03f070c6bd0b47c41311fff66e21e034863d514ee65d8c081  
lzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.i686.rpm
9337e63d9ee7238394e70965a6c0dae7956c50ae8b48976892ae256d55ec2a33  
lzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.x86_64.rpm
907cb1f02c1cd88d554ae30160febcc2cfebca948fb27c82529c5bb598104a37  
lzo-devel-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.i686.rpm
f3ffdd8cdf440b0f2965abb885ca50c0dfb666307b991d6fc8963406fc5be377  
lzo-devel-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.x86_64.rpm
2e5506e295dc1d0814afafe4a08a09f0c2db857adaa73f025850d2b2c830e8de  
lzo-minilzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.i686.rpm
0b19caf759f9af04e23911048dc3855c3fd0369194d82285dfc0f517dbaed1a4  
lzo-minilzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.x86_64.rpm

Source:
692ebc79efbaa48676c2197e5cdcf2707d9eca807a2bdf15b4178dd139154abd  
lzo-2.03-3.1.el6_5.1.src.rpm



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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:42:12 -0500
From: Jim Perrin 
Subject: [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS 6 and 7 images in the
docker  index
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We would like to announce the availability of CentOS Linux docker
images, via the docker index.


===
Information

To use these images, you will need to first install and start the
docker service. Documentation about this may be found at
http://wiki.centos.org/Cloud/Docker or
https://docs.docker.com/installation/centos/

The kickstarts used to build these images are located at
https://github.com/CentOS/sig-cloud-instance-build.


Download

Once docker is running, you can download the images using the command:

docker pull centos

Once docker is finished fetching the images, you can verify them by
using the command:

docker images

This command should display output similar to:


[jperrin@lappy ~]$ docker images
REPOSITORY  TAG IMAGE IDCREATED
  VIRTUAL SIZE
centos  centos7 1a7dc42f78ba5 hours
ago 236.4 MB
centos  latest  1a7dc42f78ba5 hours
ago 236.4 MB
centos  centos6 cd934e0010d517 hours
ago206.9 MB



=
Usage

running the default 'centos' image will use the latest release, CentOS-7.

[jperrin@lappy ~]$ docker run -i -t centos /bin/cat /etc/centos-release
CentOS Linux release 7.0.1406 (Core)


To use the CentOS-6 image, you must specify the tag in the command:

[jperrin@lappy ~]$ docker run -i -t centos:centos6 /bin/cat
/etc/centos-release
CentOS release 6.5 (Final)



=
Thanks

We would like to thank Chris StPierre for his initial work with
docker, and developing the kickstarts used for the build process.



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Re: [CentOS] UC Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Rushton Martin
Wasn't there a TV series in the 1960s about a US soldier who got made up
to general thanks to the accidental over punching of paper tape?

Regards,

Martin,

>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Always Learning
>Sent: 10 July 2014 11:43
>To: CentOS mailing list
>Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?
>
>
>On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
>> >
>> > 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>> >
>>
>> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>
>5 hole or 7 hole ?
>
>
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>
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Re: [CentOS] centos 7 - vlc player

2014-07-10 Thread SilverTip257
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Benjamin Fernandis 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just installed centos 7 and it looks awesome.From where i can get vlc media
> player for centos 7 ?


This was discussed yesterday.
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-July/144012.html


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Re: [CentOS] UC Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread m . roth
Rushton Martin wrote:
> Wasn't there a TV series in the 1960s about a US soldier who got made up
> to general thanks to the accidental over punching of paper tape?

I'm sure I didn't watch it, but there's some vague memory of something
like that, or was it a movie?

Then there was the *obvious* mistake of making Kirk the Jerk captain of
the Enterprise

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Re: [CentOS] TOT - Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz

On 07/10/2014 06:42 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
>>> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>>>
>> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
> 5 hole or 7 hole ?

5 of course.  Whatever do you need 7 for?  What is the shift up and 
shift down for anyway?

BAUDOT beats ASCII and especially UNICODE any day.  :)


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread David G . Miller
Les Mikesell  writes:

> 
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
> >
> > Am 08.07.2014 17:58, schrieb Les Mikesell:
> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Also the switch from messy bash scripts to a declarative
> >>> configuration makes things easier once you get used to the syntax.
> >>
> >> Sorry, but I'd recommend that anyone who thinks shell syntax is
> >> 'messy' just stay away from unix-like systems instead of destroying
> >> the best parts of them
> >
> > WTF - you can place a shell-script in ExecStart and
> > set type to 'oneshot' - nobody is taking anything
> > away from you
> 
> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free,  on all my
> systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
> 
> >>> Then there is the fact that services are actually monitored and can be
> >>> restarted automatically if they fail/crash and they run in a sane
> >>> environment where stdout is redirected into the journal so that all
> >>> output is caught which can be useful for debugging.
> >>
> >> What part of i/o redirection does the shell not handle well for you?
> >
> > wtaht part of monitoring did you not understand?
> 
> Generally speaking, if a service is broken to the point that it needs
> something to automatically restart it I'd rather have it die
> gracefully and not do surprising things until someone fixes it.   But
> then again, doesn't mysqld manage to accomplish that in a
> fully-compatible manner on Centos6?
> 
Can't find the original post so replying and agreeing with Les.  Have the
same ongoing problem with radvd.  When My IPv6 tunnel provider burps, the
tunnel drops.  The tunnel daemon usually reconnects but radvd stays down. 
Solution:

*/12 * * * * /sbin/service radvd status > /dev/null 2>&1 || /sbin/service
radvd start 2>&1

in crontab.  How hard is that?  And without all of the systemd nonsense.

Cheers,
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz

On 07/10/2014 07:55 AM, mark wrote:
> On 07/10/14 06:42, Always Learning wrote:
>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?

>>> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>> 5 hole or 7 hole ?
>>
> Sorry, but when I hear that, I think of what my first wife used as the
> typesetter for an underground newspaper

I assume it was not a linotypewriter that put out lead letters ready for 
the printing presses?

My uncle worked for the Cleveland Press as a typesetter.


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Re: [CentOS] TOT - UC Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz

On 07/10/2014 07:59 AM, Rushton Martin wrote:
> Wasn't there a TV series in the 1960s about a US soldier who got made up
> to general thanks to the accidental over punching of paper tape?

Perhaps you are thinking of Major Major Major Major of Catch-22?

>
> Regards,
>
> Martin,
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
>> Behalf Of Always Learning
>> Sent: 10 July 2014 11:43
>> To: CentOS mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?

>>> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>> 5 hole or 7 hole ?
>>
>>
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>>
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[CentOS] Roadmap for C7-i386 and -arm?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Is there a url to a roadmap for these projects?

I am assuming that they are both in the works based on past emails.

I am able to be a tester for a C7-arm work.  I have a (and will be 
getting more) Cubieboard 2 systems.  I have not decided yet if I have 
justification for the Cubieboard 3 (called the Cubietruck).


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[CentOS] DVD ISO CentOS 7

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James
I just installed CentOS 7 from the DVD ISO in virtual box.  I only get a login 
prompt.  Is that what the DVD ISO is supposed to do?  To get a gui, do I need 
the Everything ISO?  I'll try and see.

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] TOT - Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread m . roth
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 07/10/2014 06:42 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?

>>> and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>> 5 hole or 7 hole ?
>
> 5 of course.  Whatever do you need 7 for?  What is the shift up and
> shift down for anyway?
>
> BAUDOT beats ASCII and especially UNICODE any day.  :)

But you're alleging that UNICODE is better than, say, EBCDIC?

   mark, who was amused and annoyed by the Y2K ignorance

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/10/2014 09:39 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
>
> Can't find the original post so replying and agreeing with Les.  Have the
> same ongoing problem with radvd.  When My IPv6 tunnel provider burps, the
> tunnel drops.  The tunnel daemon usually reconnects but radvd stays down.
> Solution:
>
> */12 * * * * /sbin/service radvd status > /dev/null 2>&1 || /sbin/service
> radvd start 2>&1
>
> in crontab.  How hard is that?  And without all of the systemd nonsense.
>
>
That, my friend, is a textbook example of a kluge.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread m . roth
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 07/10/2014 07:55 AM, mark wrote:
>> On 07/10/14 06:42, Always Learning wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:

> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>
 and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>>> 5 hole or 7 hole ?
>>>
>> Sorry, but when I hear that, I think of what my first wife used as the
>> typesetter for an underground newspaper
>
> I assume it was not a linotypewriter that put out lead letters ready for
> the printing presses?
>
> My uncle worked for the Cleveland Press as a typesetter.

They just had one office suite. She'd type the tape, and that would be
sent off to the printers.

mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph plates"

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:39 AM, David G. Miller  wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, if a service is broken to the point that it needs
>> something to automatically restart it I'd rather have it die
>> gracefully and not do surprising things until someone fixes it.   But
>> then again, doesn't mysqld manage to accomplish that in a
>> fully-compatible manner on Centos6?
>>
> Can't find the original post so replying and agreeing with Les.  Have the
> same ongoing problem with radvd.  When My IPv6 tunnel provider burps, the
> tunnel drops.  The tunnel daemon usually reconnects but radvd stays down.
> Solution:
>
> */12 * * * * /sbin/service radvd status > /dev/null 2>&1 || /sbin/service
> radvd start 2>&1
>
> in crontab.  How hard is that?  And without all of the systemd nonsense.

Or, if you want things to respawn, the original init handled that very
nicely via inittab.   Also,running a shell as the parent of your
daemon as a watchdog that can repair its environment and restart it if
it exits doesn't have much overhead.  Programs share the loaded
executable code across all instances and you pretty much always have
some shells running on a linux/unix box - a few more won't matter.

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Re: [CentOS] DVD ISO CentOS 7

2014-07-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/10/2014 09:32 AM, Wes James wrote:
> I just installed CentOS 7 from the DVD ISO in virtual box.  I only get a 
> login prompt.  Is that what the DVD ISO is supposed to do?  To get a gui, do 
> I need the Everything ISO?  I'll try and see.
>

No, the DVD installer is fine  .. you need to pick a different install
than "Minimal Install" in the "Software Selection" section of the installer.

See this video, at the 0:53 Second point:

http://bit.ly/1nhGKuj



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Re: [CentOS] : DVD ISO CentOS 7

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 08:43 AM, jvermeulen  wrote:

Hello,

No, the dvd is supposed to produce a gui as well.

Greetings j.

Wes James schreef:

        >I just installed CentOS 7 from the DVD ISO in virtual box.  I only get 
a login prompt.  Is that what the DVD ISO is supposed to do?  To get a gui, do 
I need the Everything ISO?  I'll try and see.
        >
        >Thanks,
        >
        >-wes
      
 

I just installed the Everything ISO and only get text based login.

Maybe the installer doesn't see a proper graphics driver or something??

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Re: [CentOS] DVD ISO CentOS 7

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 08:45 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:

On 07/10/2014 09:32 AM, Wes James wrote:
        > I just installed CentOS 7 from the DVD ISO in virtual box. I only get 
a login prompt. Is that what the DVD ISO is supposed to do? To get a gui, do I 
need the Everything ISO? I'll try and see.
        >

No, the DVD installer is fine .. you need to pick a different install
than "Minimal Install" in the "Software Selection" section of the installer.

See this video, at the 0:53 Second point:

http://bit.ly/1nhGKuj
 

Ah... OK.  Thanks :)

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[CentOS] Searching for centos-release-7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.src.rpm

2014-07-10 Thread Markus Steinborn
Hi,

I'm searching for centos-release-7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.src.rpm.

Id like to customize it for installations without internet available, so 
using our local private mirror.


I did not find it on:

http://vault.centos.org/7.0.1406/os/Source/SPackages/

http://buildlogs.centos.org/c7.00.04/centos-release/20140704062900/7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.x86_64/
 


https://git.centos.org/log/rpms!centos-release.git/refs!heads!c7

nor anywhere else.


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Re: [CentOS] DVD ISO CentOS 7

2014-07-10 Thread John Plemons
I got the same thing. Switched to Gnome installation, and will add the 
programs I need as I go..  KDI is also and option.

As for the everything ISO, I wasn't sure, but though that would included 
sources. Not a everything install, but I could be wrong.

It would be nice to have a install everything option, then you just run 
on what you want. Heck disk space isn't a though these days.

john


On 7/10/2014 10:32 AM, Wes James wrote:
> I just installed CentOS 7 from the DVD ISO in virtual box.  I only get a 
> login prompt.  Is that what the DVD ISO is supposed to do?  To get a gui, do 
> I need the Everything ISO?  I'll try and see.
>
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Re: [CentOS] TOT - UC Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Hal Wigoda
It was love at first sight.  (First line of my favorite novel)

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 07/10/2014 07:59 AM, Rushton Martin wrote:
>> Wasn't there a TV series in the 1960s about a US soldier who got made up
>> to general thanks to the accidental over punching of paper tape?
> 
> Perhaps you are thinking of Major Major Major Major of Catch-22?
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Martin,
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Always Learning
>>> Sent: 10 July 2014 11:43
>>> To: CentOS mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:33 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
 
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM,   wrote:
> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
 and let's not forget the punched tapes :)
>>> 5 hole or 7 hole ?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread James B. Byrne

On Tue, July 8, 2014 08:09, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>
> That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
> though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward
> to in CentOS 7 because of the new capabilities it provides so while this
> will surely drive some people away it will actually attract others and
> if you think that this will lead to some sort of great exodus then I
> think you are mistaken. Not everybody is this uncomfortable with change.
>
> Regards,
>   Dennis
>
>

Well, while Linus Torvald is not everyone, he is certainly someone.  And I do
not believe, although I could be mistaken on the point, that Linus's current
thoughts on Systemd would be considered printable in a public forum.  At a
guess, I would put it right up there with Gnome2 in his estimation


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

> mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph plates"

Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
incredible useful in those days.


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Re: [CentOS] Searching for centos-release-7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.src.rpm

2014-07-10 Thread Karanbir Singh
Hi,

On 07/10/2014 03:54 PM, Markus Steinborn wrote:
> https://git.centos.org/log/rpms!centos-release.git/refs!heads!c7

you dont need all those /s :)

try here : https://git.centos.org/summary/rpms!centos-release.git

the final srpm is effected as an import, in branch c7/ let me know if
you have issues with that. the srpm will also get pushed out shortly,
I've just handed it over to Johnny.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread m . roth
Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
>> plates"
>
> Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
> incredible useful in those days.
>
Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the machine
was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the metal.
WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 12:47 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

> Always Learning wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >
> >> mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
> >> plates"
> >
> > Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
> > incredible useful in those days.

> Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
> Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the machine
> was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the metal.
> WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM

Saw the plates being used to emboss invoices. Power Sumas cards then
produced the invoice details.  Then along came a Honeywell 1250, a punch
room, coding sheets, masses and masses of punched cards, manual hand
punches, electric punching machines and verifiers and even an electric
portable verifier too.  Only had to wait for about 60 to 90 minutes for
the results of a Cobol programme, meanwhile nothing else ran.

Wish I had photographed everything then.


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Re: [CentOS] Searching for centos-release-7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.src.rpm

2014-07-10 Thread Markus Steinborn
Hi Karanbir,

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> try here : https://git.centos.org/summary/rpms!centos-release.git
Great. As I am used to git, that's mostly everything I need. Just the 
"centos-release-7.tar.gz" is missing. I'd expect to find it on 
"https://git.centos.org/sources/centos-release/c7/";, but all I can find 
there is too old to be the final release.

> the final srpm is effected as an import, in branch c7/ let me know if
> you have issues with that.
Well, having all the files of the source RPM is as good as the source 
RPM itself. I'll take the first being complete - for teh git source 
currently I am missing one file...)

Thanks & Greetings from Germany

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Re: [CentOS] Searching for centos-release-7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.src.rpm

2014-07-10 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 07/10/2014 06:01 PM, Markus Steinborn wrote:
> Hi Karanbir,
> 
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> try here : https://git.centos.org/summary/rpms!centos-release.git
> Great. As I am used to git, that's mostly everything I need. Just the 
> "centos-release-7.tar.gz" is missing. I'd expect to find it on 
> "https://git.centos.org/sources/centos-release/c7/";, but all I can find 
> there is too old to be the final release.

should be there now,

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Re: [CentOS] TOT - Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz

On 07/10/2014 12:47 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>>  mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
>>> plates"
>> Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
>> incredible useful in those days.
>>
> Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
> Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the machine
> was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the metal.
> WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM

But the Linotype melted the lead and you pressed which key you wanted 
the lead to flow into.  Kind of.  It was cool to see that bar of lead 
slowly get lowered into the melting pot and finally out the other side 
came the lead on steel printing plate.  Though one I saw only made rows 
of text that then had to be lined up on the steel plate.  I guess it was 
for allowing inclusion of pictures and such.

Ah how xerography changed things.

And that is again the point.  We do things one way because with a big 
enough hammer we can get it to work.  Then new ways and new goals come 
along and the old stuff heads off for the big melting pot in the backyard.




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Re: [CentOS] TOT - Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread m . roth
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 07/10/2014 12:47 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Always Learning wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>>
  mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
 plates"
>>> Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
>>> incredible useful in those days.
>>>
>> Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
>> Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the
>> machine was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the
>> metal. WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM
>
> But the Linotype melted the lead and you pressed which key you wanted
> the lead to flow into.  Kind of.  It was cool to see that bar of lead
> slowly get lowered into the melting pot and finally out the other side
> came the lead on steel printing plate.  Though one I saw only made rows
> of text that then had to be lined up on the steel plate.  I guess it was
> for allowing inclusion of pictures and such.
>
> Ah how xerography changed things.
>
> And that is again the point.  We do things one way because with a big
> enough hammer we can get it to work.  Then new ways and new goals come
> along and the old stuff heads off for the big melting pot in the backyard.

But with a good hammer, you can force the lead into the new plates without
melting

mark (who's taken at least part of this offlist)

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Re: [CentOS] Searching for centos-release-7-0.1406.el7.centos.2.3.src.rpm

2014-07-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/10/2014 11:33 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 07/10/2014 03:54 PM, Markus Steinborn wrote:
>> https://git.centos.org/log/rpms!centos-release.git/refs!heads!c7
> you dont need all those /s :)
>
> try here : https://git.centos.org/summary/rpms!centos-release.git
>
> the final srpm is effected as an import, in branch c7/ let me know if
> you have issues with that. the srpm will also get pushed out shortly,
> I've just handed it over to Johnny.
>
> - KB
>

OK, this SRPM is now pushed to the master vault server ... should
propagate out within 30 minutes to all vault servers. 



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[CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James
I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC is not getting 
an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with the thunderbolt adapter.  I 
then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox on a box with CentOS 6.5.  The network 
doesn't work in the VM either.  Anyone tried CentOS 7 in VirtualBox (latest 
version) and have the network working?

Thanks,

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[CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
I tried dd-ing the ISO onto a USB stick, as suggested in
,
but it didn't boot.
Did anyone have better luck with this?

In any case, I got it working by running livecd-iso-to-disk
on a Fedora-20 laptop.
I've found before that this is the best program around
for the purpose.

But I've 2 queries about this:

1. Why isn't this program available on CentOS?

2. I find it strange the using a USB stick
seems to be regarded as an out-of-the-ordinary idea.
Are people still burning CDs or DVDs? And if so why?

I would have thought the time had come
to make USB sticks the standard installation method?
Certainly it should be treated on a par with DVDs.

I have two HP MicroServers running under CentOS,
and these don't come with a DVD drive.
I assumed this was becoming more or less standard?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> I tried dd-ing the ISO onto a USB stick, as suggested in
> ,
> but it didn't boot.
> Did anyone have better luck with this?
 
I used this on my mac and it worked:

http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey

I had to format the usb stick to fat with master boot record selected.  I don't 
know why I had to do that first, but dd wouldn't work properly without doing 
that first.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Thomas Eriksson


On 07/10/2014 11:19 AM, Wes James wrote:
> I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC is
> not getting an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with the
> thunderbolt adapter.  I then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox on a
> box with CentOS 6.5.  The network doesn't work in the VM either.
> Anyone tried CentOS 7 in VirtualBox (latest version) and have the
> network working?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -wes


I'm running CentOS7 in VirtualBox 3.4.12 on RHEL6.5 without issues.
Emulated network adapter is Intel PRO/1000 MT.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Andrew Holway
Do you have the network set to "bridge" mode in virtualbox?

Thanks,

andrew


On 10 July 2014 20:19, Wes James  wrote:

> I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC is not
> getting an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with the thunderbolt
> adapter.  I then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox on a box with CentOS 6.5.
>  The network doesn't work in the VM either.  Anyone tried CentOS 7 in
> VirtualBox (latest version) and have the network working?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -wes
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Tom Bishop
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Wes James  wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
>> I tried dd-ing the ISO onto a USB stick, as suggested in
>> ,
>> but it didn't boot.
>> Did anyone have better luck with this?
>
> I used this on my mac and it worked:
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey
>
> I had to format the usb stick to fat with master boot record selected.  I 
> don't know why I had to do that first, but dd wouldn't work properly without 
> doing that first.
>
> -wes
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I use multisystem - http://sourceforge.net/projects/multisystem/

So far only some *BSD iso's have giving me any issues, but It's all I
use now.  I probably have 20-30 ISO's on it at the moment.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Thomas Eriksson 
 wrote:

>
>
> On 07/10/2014 11:19 AM, Wes James wrote:
>         > I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC is
>         > not getting an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with the
>         > thunderbolt adapter. I then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox on a
>         > box with CentOS 6.5. The network doesn't work in the VM either.
>         > Anyone tried CentOS 7 in VirtualBox (latest version) and have the
>         > network working?
>         > 
>         > Thanks,
>         > 
>         > -wes
> 
> 
> I'm running CentOS7 in VirtualBox 3.4.12 on RHEL6.5 without issues.
> Emulated network adapter is Intel PRO/1000 MT.
> 
>         Thomas

Hmmm.  I have windows 8.1, linux mint vm's on my centos 6.5 box and they all 
work with networking, but centos 7 vm doesn't have any networking.  Do I need 
to install the VM tools for the network to work.  I don't remember having to do 
that.  In cents 7 vm's, I don't get the nat'd IP address that is usually there 
:(

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Holway  wrote:

> Do you have the network set to "bridge" mode in virtual box?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> andrew

No.  Nat.  I tried bridging, but didn't get any IP there too.

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Thomas Eriksson


On 07/10/2014 11:38 AM, Wes James wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Thomas Eriksson
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/10/2014 11:19 AM, Wes James wrote:
>>> I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC
>>> is not getting an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with
>>> the thunderbolt adapter. I then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox
>>> on a box with CentOS 6.5. The network doesn't work in the VM
>>> either. Anyone tried CentOS 7 in VirtualBox (latest version) and
>>> have the network working?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -wes
>> 
>> 
>> I'm running CentOS7 in VirtualBox 3.4.12 on RHEL6.5 without
>> issues. Emulated network adapter is Intel PRO/1000 MT.
>> 
>> Thomas
> 
> Hmmm.  I have windows 8.1, linux mint vm's on my centos 6.5 box and
> they all work with networking, but centos 7 vm doesn't have any
> networking.  Do I need to install the VM tools for the network to
> work.  I don't remember having to do that.  In cents 7 vm's, I don't
> get the nat'd IP address that is usually there :(
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -wes 

Didn't install anything extra, just chose the "Gnome Desktop"
installation and everything works as expected. Network is NAT.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM,   wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
>>> plates"
>>
>> Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
>> incredible useful in those days.
>>
> Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
> Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the machine
> was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the metal.
> WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM
>
  Any picts or videos? I am just picturing a room with those
thingies and a couple of Jacob's latters and a Van der Graff while on
the background a table with a covered body is being slowly raised to
the roof.

"No, not the third switch!"

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Vojin Urosevic
What does ifconfig show? Is eth0 up, if not try to manually start it.

vojin+++


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Wes James  wrote:

> I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC is not
> getting an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with the thunderbolt
> adapter.  I then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox on a box with CentOS 6.5.
>  The network doesn't work in the VM either.  Anyone tried CentOS 7 in
> VirtualBox (latest version) and have the network working?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -wes
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 01:02 PM, Vojin Urosevic  wrote:

> What does ifconfig show? Is eth0 up, if not try to manually start it.
> 
> vojin+++
 
On mac:

enp0s3:  with flags, mtu, ether, etc.

lo: standard stuff

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James
I just installed linux mint/mate on both systems where I've been having issues 
with centos 7 and they both have eth0 working fine.  I wonder ups up with a non 
functional enp0s3 network device in centos 7??  I'm going to try centos 6.5 and 
see what happens.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 01:52 PM, Wes James  wrote:

> I just installed linux mint/mate on both systems where I've been having 
>issues with centos 7 and they both have  eth0 working fine.  I wonder ups up 
>with a non functional enp0s3 network device in centos 7??  I'm going to try 
>centos 6.5 and see what happens.
 

Just installed  centos 6.5 and it has eth0 and the network is working.  Hmmm... 
 Anyone have any ideas where to look on centos 7?  Earlier, I did try a network 
restart, but that didn't work.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Mike McCarthy, W1NR
I had to go into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp0s3 and change
ONBOOT=yes and reboot. I'm sure there is a management tool or something
with Network Manager to do it, but the manual edit worked for me.

Mike

On 07/10/2014 04:15 PM, Wes James wrote:
>
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 01:52 PM, Wes James  wrote:
>
>>  I just installed linux mint/mate on both systems where I've been having 
>> issues with centos 7 and they both have  eth0 working fine.  I wonder ups up 
>> with a non functional enp0s3 network device in centos 7??  I'm going to try 
>> centos 6.5 and see what happens.
>  
>
> Just installed  centos 6.5 and it has eth0 and the network is working.  
> Hmmm...  Anyone have any ideas where to look on centos 7?  Earlier, I did try 
> a network restart, but that didn't work.
>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Mike McCarthy, W1NR
On further investigation, system-config-... scripts no longer seem to be
available :-( . nmcli and nmtui seem to be a replacement for command
line network configuration.

Mike

On 07/10/2014 04:37 PM, Mike McCarthy, W1NR wrote:
> I had to go into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp0s3 and change
> ONBOOT=yes and reboot. I'm sure there is a management tool or something
> with Network Manager to do it, but the manual edit worked for me.
>
> Mike
>
> On 07/10/2014 04:15 PM, Wes James wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 01:52 PM, Wes James  wrote:
>>
>>>  I just installed linux mint/mate on both systems where I've been having 
>>> issues with centos 7 and they both have  eth0 working fine.  I wonder ups 
>>> up with a non functional enp0s3 network device in centos 7??  I'm going to 
>>> try centos 6.5 and see what happens.
>>  
>>
>> Just installed  centos 6.5 and it has eth0 and the network is working.  
>> Hmmm...  Anyone have any ideas where to look on centos 7?  Earlier, I did 
>> try a network restart, but that didn't work.
>>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:29:03AM -0700, Thomas Eriksson wrote:
> 
> 
> On 07/10/2014 11:19 AM, Wes James wrote:
> > I installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox in OS X Yosemite, but the NIC is
> > not getting an IP address. So I thought it was a problem with the
> > thunderbolt adapter.  I then installed CentOS 7 in VirtualBox on a
> > box with CentOS 6.5.  The network doesn't work in the VM either.
> > Anyone tried CentOS 7 in VirtualBox (latest version) and have the
> > network working?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > -wes
> 
> 
> I'm running CentOS7 in VirtualBox 3.4.12 on RHEL6.5 without issues.
> Emulated network adapter is Intel PRO/1000 MT.

me too.


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 07:52:09PM +, Wes James wrote:
> I just installed linux mint/mate on both systems where I've been having 
> issues with centos 7 and they both have eth0 working fine.  I wonder ups up 
> with a non functional enp0s3 network device in centos 7??  I'm going to try 
> centos 6.5 and see what happens.
> 

I think there is mention in the release notes that IF you do not enable
networking during the install, when the system boots you have to manually
enable it. Or maybe I misremember, perhaps it was: after the system
comes up you have to go to network properties and toggle the on/off
switch. something like that. (senior moment happening here.)


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Wes James


On Jul 10, 2014, at 02:37 PM, "Mike McCarthy, W1NR"  wrote:

> I had to go into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp0s3 and change
> ONBOOT=yes and reboot. I'm sure there is a management tool or something
> with Network Manager to do it, but the manual edit worked for me.
> 
> Mike

Thanks, that worked.

On the other system I did ifup enp0s3 and that activated the network.  So for 
some reason the installer has the interface as default off.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Scott Robbins
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 04:37:21PM -0400, Mike McCarthy, W1NR wrote:
> I had to go into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp0s3 and change
> ONBOOT=yes and reboot. I'm sure there is a management tool or something
> with Network Manager to do it, but the manual edit worked for me.

Ah, the CentOS 7 install notes mention that Network is turned off by
default, at least during install. I'm not sure about first boot though.

Ah, here are the notes.
wiki.centos.org/FAQ/CentOS7#ethernet

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[CentOS] journalctl and log server

2014-07-10 Thread Mauricio Tavares
  I have a rsyslog-based log server and would like to know how I
can configure journalctl to send its logs to said log server.
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Re: [CentOS] journalctl and log server

2014-07-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 05:33:32PM -0400, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
>   I have a rsyslog-based log server and would like to know how I
> can configure journalctl to send its logs to said log server.

You don't. You install rsyslog on your "client" server and set it up to
forward as normal.

In the basic state, this just looks exactly like the traditional way. (In
fact, you can even turn off persistent journald if you like.) Or, you can
use 'imjournal' for more sophisticated integration if you like -- see
.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/10/2014 02:20 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> ...
>
> 1. Why isn't [livecd-iso-to-disk] available on CentOS?
It's in EPEL.


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 07/10/2014 11:51 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/10/2014 02:20 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> 1. Why isn't [livecd-iso-to-disk] available on CentOS?
> It's in EPEL.

the ISOS are all 'hybrid' with uefi support ( ie on the iso and also has
the hybrid-uefi tags ). So I'm interested to hear what else this script
might have done.


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 17:08 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:

> Ah, the CentOS 7 install notes mention that Network is turned off by
> default, at least during install. I'm not sure about first boot though.

Obviously Centos 7 with systemd is not intended for networks :-)


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 14:48 -0400, Mauricio Tavares wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM,   wrote:
> > Always Learning wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >>
> >>> mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
> >>> plates"
> >>
> >> Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
> >> incredible useful in those days.
> >>
> > Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
> > Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the machine
> > was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the metal.
> > WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM
> >
>   Any picts or videos? I am just picturing a room with those
> thingies and a couple of Jacob's latters and a Van der Graff while on
> the background a table with a covered body is being slowly raised to
> the roof.
> 
> "No, not the third switch!"

Sorry mate. The programmers were all busy sitting around the table in
the engineers' room playing Bridge (a card game) :-)


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/10/2014 01:20 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I tried dd-ing the ISO onto a USB stick, as suggested in
> ,
> but it didn't boot.
> Did anyone have better luck with this?
>
> In any case, I got it working by running livecd-iso-to-disk
> on a Fedora-20 laptop.
> I've found before that this is the best program around
> for the purpose.
>
> But I've 2 queries about this:
>
> 1. Why isn't this program available on CentOS?
>
> 2. I find it strange the using a USB stick
> seems to be regarded as an out-of-the-ordinary idea.
> Are people still burning CDs or DVDs? And if so why?
>
> I would have thought the time had come
> to make USB sticks the standard installation method?
> Certainly it should be treated on a par with DVDs.
>
> I have two HP MicroServers running under CentOS,
> and these don't come with a DVD drive.
> I assumed this was becoming more or less standard?
>


I did all of my test installs from USB, so it does work.

The command is:

dd if=./.iso of=/dev/

Obviously the name would be something like:  
CentOS-7.0-1406-x86_64-DVD.iso or CentOS-7.0-1406-x86_64-NetInstall.iso
or any other of the isos

It is critical that the device the the device name and not a partition
name.  In CentOS-6, you can use "Application => System Tools => Disk
Utility" to find your USB stick's device name.  For example, /dev/sdd
(device) would be used, not /dev/sdd1 (partition)

You also have to run the command as root.

So, a working command would be, as root (if your usb stick was /dev/sdd):

dd if=./CentOS-7.0-1406-x86_64-DVD.iso of=/dev/sdd

I have boot that exact USB stick on an older BIOS only Dell Laptop
(m4500) with no UEFI, a new Thinkpad with UEFI secure boot mode on and
off, and a M5A99X EVO R2.0 motherboard with UEFI and secureboot on and
off.  Installs were conducted on all with no issues.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
Lamar Owen wrote:

>> 1. Why isn't [livecd-iso-to-disk] available on CentOS?

> It's in EPEL.

Apologies.
I see now that it didn't install for other reasons:
-
[tim@alfred ~]$ sudo yum install livecd-iso-to-disk
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit, security
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
epel/metalink   

|  24 kB 00:00 
 * base: mirror.euserv.net
 * epel: mirror.i3d.net
 * extras: it.centos.contactlab.it
 * rpmforge: nl.mirror.eurid.eu
 * updates: mirrors.prometeus.net
epel

| 3.7 kB 00:00 
epel/primary_db 

| 2.0 MB 00:03 
Error: xz compression not available
-

I'm not sure what this means, or what I can do about it?


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Re: [CentOS] 7 and Logitech K750 Keyboard.

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Pierce

‎Works in CentOS 6.5 and fedora 20.   Not so much in CentOS 7.   Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7 on a USB stick

2014-07-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
Johnny Hughes wrote:

>> I tried dd-ing the ISO onto a USB stick, as suggested in
>> ,
>> but it didn't boot.
>> Did anyone have better luck with this?

> I did all of my test installs from USB, so it does work.
> 
> The command is:
> 
> dd if=./.iso of=/dev/

I did give the command precisely as you suggest:
  dd if=./CentOS-7.0-1406-x86_64-KdeLive.iso of=/dev/sdb
(noted at the time).  

The error message when I booted with the stick
said that some file was not found.

When I later ran livecd-iso-to-disk (under Fedora-20)
I got a message that the USB partition had to be FAT formatted.
I changed the partition type to FAT (hex 6) and it worked fine.
So conceivably this was the reason why the dd-boot did not work.
But I have had failure with ISOs installed with dd before (not centOS).

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Re: [CentOS] 7 and Logitech K750 Keyboard.

2014-07-10 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Richard Pierce  wrote:
>
> ‎Works in CentOS 6.5 and fedora 20.   Not so much in CentOS 7.   Thanks.

Probably affected by this known bug:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7340

There is a workaround (temporary solution) in that report.

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Re: [CentOS] TOT - Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz

On 07/10/2014 07:17 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 14:48 -0400, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM,   wrote:
>>> Always Learning wrote:
 On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 10:39 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

>  mark "we won't talk about the month I punch Addressograph
> plates"
 Addressograph plates?  That is really ancient !  but they were
 incredible useful in those days.

>>> Yeah... but did you ever do it, or see it done? Forget the old manual
>>> Underwood, this required actual *force* hitting the keys (yes, the machine
>>> was electric). No speed, either - the actuator arms had to hit the metal.
>>> WHAM-WHAM-WHAM-WHAM
>>>
>>Any picts or videos? I am just picturing a room with those
>> thingies and a couple of Jacob's latters and a Van der Graff while on
>> the background a table with a covered body is being slowly raised to
>> the roof.
>>
>> "No, not the third switch!"
> Sorry mate. The programmers were all busy sitting around the table in
> the engineers' room playing Bridge (a card game) :-)

Uker when we only had a short break.  Pinochle when we had more time.

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Re: [CentOS] TOT - Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-10 Thread John R Pierce
On 7/10/2014 5:45 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Uker when we only had a short break.  Pinochle when we had more time.

thats Euchre  :)

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 in VirtualBox

2014-07-10 Thread Warren Young
On 7/10/2014 15:02, Wes James wrote:
>
> So for some reason the installer has the interface as default off.

Probably security.  It gives you a chance to boot the new box up and 
tighten things down before turning on the Ethernet port.

To make it come up on first boot, go to the Configure -> General tab , 
in the network configuration section and say "Automatically connect to 
the network when available."

You also have the option to bring up the Ethernet connection just during 
installation, which can be useful with DHCP in a netinstall.
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[CentOS] CentOS 7 Anaconda GUI resolution

2014-07-10 Thread Daniel Johnson
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Greetings!  I tried installing CentOS v7 (1406) to an old spare
machine, and the video card apparently don't play well with X.  It is
incorrectly saying that either monitor I connect is only able to
support 640x480, when one is 1024x768 and the other supports a higher
(but now forgotten) resolution.  In no way do I expect a fix to be
added just to support my antique.  :)

What I'd like to find, or have added to future CentOS installation
discs, is a way to force the GUI resolution.  Alternately, if nothing
below 800x600 will show the GUI properly perhaps the installer should
just forcibly set that as the minimum, no matter what the hardware
claims to allow?

Details of the hardware and such follow, let me know if you need more.
=-=-=-=-=-=

Under the normal boot from the normal DVD, graphics-mode output is
discolored and squashed to the left of the display.  In the "Basic
Graphics" troubleshooting mode the output is clear and proper, but
still just 640x480.

Server: Gateway E-9422R
Video card: Matrox Graphics MGA G200e, PCI 102b:0522

I captured the output of lspci, dmidecode, /tmp, and /var/log in both
Normal and Basic Graphics boot modes.  The file is 1,692,776 bytes and
has the following SHA1 checksum:

f9cd800ced963e29d0bb3e4381596dc3b61a4c4c
*CentOS7_InstallerResolutionProblem.tar.xz

It can be downloaded from this link:
  http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=55151826488339350948


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Re: [CentOS] 7 and Logitech K750 Keyboard.

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Pierce
Thanks, I will try it when I get this golf club out of my hand.

  Original Message  
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Richard Pierce  wrote:
>
> ‎Works in CentOS 6.5 and fedora 20. Not so much in CentOS 7. Thanks.

Probably affected by this known bug:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7340

There is a workaround (temporary solution) in that report.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 Anaconda GUI resolution

2014-07-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/10/2014 08:01 PM, Daniel Johnson wrote:
> Greetings!  I tried installing CentOS v7 (1406) to an old spare
> machine, and the video card apparently don't play well with X.  It is
> incorrectly saying that either monitor I connect is only able to
> support 640x480, when one is 1024x768 and the other supports a higher
> (but now forgotten) resolution.  In no way do I expect a fix to be
> added just to support my antique.  :)
>
> What I'd like to find, or have added to future CentOS installation
> discs, is a way to force the GUI resolution.  Alternately, if nothing
> below 800x600 will show the GUI properly perhaps the installer should
> just forcibly set that as the minimum, no matter what the hardware
> claims to allow?
>
> Details of the hardware and such follow, let me know if you need more.
> =-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Under the normal boot from the normal DVD, graphics-mode output is
> discolored and squashed to the left of the display.  In the "Basic
> Graphics" troubleshooting mode the output is clear and proper, but
> still just 640x480.
>
> Server: Gateway E-9422R
> Video card: Matrox Graphics MGA G200e, PCI 102b:0522
>
> I captured the output of lspci, dmidecode, /tmp, and /var/log in both
> Normal and Basic Graphics boot modes.  The file is 1,692,776 bytes and
> has the following SHA1 checksum:
>
> f9cd800ced963e29d0bb3e4381596dc3b61a4c4c
> *CentOS7_InstallerResolutionProblem.tar.xz
>
> It can be downloaded from this link:
>   http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=55151826488339350948

There is a basic video install in the 3rd selection when you boot the
iso .. in the "Troubleshooting" section.  You might give that a try and
see if it works better after boot of the OS.  The anaconda drivers are a
subset of the drivers for the distro, so it might work better after initial.

Might also try one of the LiveGnome or LiveKDE isos.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 Anaconda GUI resolution

2014-07-10 Thread Daniel Johnson
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On 07/10/2014 08:28 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 07/10/2014 08:01 PM, Daniel Johnson wrote:

>> Under the normal boot from the normal DVD, graphics-mode output
>> is discolored and squashed to the left of the display.  In the
>> "Basic Graphics" troubleshooting mode the output is clear and
>> proper, but still just 640x480.

> There is a basic video install in the 3rd selection when you boot
> the iso .. in the "Troubleshooting" section.  You might give that a
> try and see if it works better after boot of the OS.  The anaconda
> drivers are a subset of the drivers for the distro, so it might
> work better after initial.
> 
> Might also try one of the LiveGnome or LiveKDE isos.

Thanks!  I did try Basic Graphics before, and while it made the image
clear and distortion-free it was still 640x480.

While browsing bugs.centos.org I saw a reference to using "vga=773" to
fix the resolution in VMware Fusion/Workstation, but it had no effect
on the physical server's GUI when I tried it.

The same bug post mentioned putting "text" on the kernel line.  I
didn't think that was supported on CentOS 7, should that be in the
Troubleshooting menu too?  I'm using that to get the server at least
basically loaded for now, I'll go back later and tweak the
auto-generated KS file to re-install the way I want it.

[https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7313]

Daniel Johnson
djohn...@progman.us

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Re: [CentOS] 7 and Logitech K750 Keyboard.

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Pierce
Many thanks, yes indeed, kernel version 3.15.5-1.el7.elrepo.x86_64 does support 
the unified receiver used by the K750 and Logitech mouse.


  Original Message  
From: Akemi Yagi
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] 7 and Logitech K750 Keyboard.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Richard Pierce  wrote:
>
> ‎Works in CentOS 6.5 and fedora 20. Not so much in CentOS 7. Thanks.

Probably affected by this known bug:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7340

There is a workaround (temporary solution) in that report.

Akemi
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