Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 10/9/2014 8:19 PM, Micky wrote: Most people forget that DRDB is a 'clustered' storage that creates a new block device on top of existing block devices, over the network. There are issues like SPLIT BRAIN and a possible data inconsistency, should there be multiple network timeouts, congestions (since it is all network based) etc. This may not be the best solution for your problem! those are potential issues with ANY high availability clustering solution that need to be carefully engineered around. HA clusters commonly use fencing technology to prevent split brain, dedicated network adapters just for replication, and redundant connections for status monitoring, etc. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos 6.5 input lag
Is it under some type of ddos attack? What's running on this machine? In front of it? -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Matt Garman Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:45 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] centos 6.5 input lag I have a CentOS 6.5 x86_64 system that's been running problem-free for quite a while. Recently, it's locked-up hard several times. It's a headless server, but I do have IP KVM. However, when it's locked up, all I can see are a few lines of kernel stack trace. No hints to the problem in the system logs. I even enabled remote logging of syslog, hoping to catch the errors that way. No luck. I ran memtest86+ for about 36 errors, no problems. I've tried to strip away just about all running services. It's just a home file server. I haven't had a crash in a while, but I also haven't had it running very long. But even while it's up, I have severe input lag in the shell. I'll type a few characters, and two to 10 or so seconds pass before anything echoes to the screen. I've checked top, practically zero CPU load. It's not swapping - 16 GB of RAM, 0 swap used. Most memory heavy process is java (for CrashPlan backups). iostat shows 0% disk utilization. Anyone seen anything like this? Where else can I check to try to determine the source of this lag (which I suspect might be related to the recent crashes)? Thanks, Matt ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] centos 6.5 input lag
I have a CentOS 6.5 x86_64 system that's been running problem-free for quite a while. Recently, it's locked-up hard several times. It's a headless server, but I do have IP KVM. However, when it's locked up, all I can see are a few lines of kernel stack trace. No hints to the problem in the system logs. I even enabled remote logging of syslog, hoping to catch the errors that way. No luck. I ran memtest86+ for about 36 errors, no problems. I've tried to strip away just about all running services. It's just a home file server. I haven't had a crash in a while, but I also haven't had it running very long. But even while it's up, I have severe input lag in the shell. I'll type a few characters, and two to 10 or so seconds pass before anything echoes to the screen. I've checked top, practically zero CPU load. It's not swapping - 16 GB of RAM, 0 swap used. Most memory heavy process is java (for CrashPlan backups). iostat shows 0% disk utilization. Anyone seen anything like this? Where else can I check to try to determine the source of this lag (which I suspect might be related to the recent crashes)? Thanks, Matt ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
Most people forget that DRDB is a 'clustered' storage that creates a new block device on top of existing block devices, over the network. There are issues like SPLIT BRAIN and a possible data inconsistency, should there be multiple network timeouts, congestions (since it is all network based) etc. This may not be the best solution for your problem! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.11 / Firefox 31 -- totally borked...
On 10/09/2014 04:12 PM, Thomas Eriksson wrote: > On 10/09/2014 12:58 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> OK, I just updated my two CentOS 5 boxes (my laptop and by desktop) and >> discoved that FF 31 is totally borked -- it seems not to be possible to >> install either Firebug (either 2.0.4 or 1.12.8) or Firefox 2, the theme >> reloaded (1.0.8). These two addons are critical to me. So I have snaged the >> FF >> 24.8.0 rpms from the CentOS 5 vault and downgraded to this version and >> blocked >> further updates of FF. >> >> Where is the best place to report this problem? >> > > It looks like it has been reported > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1150082 Good, at least its not my fault, this time :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Testing packages for Xen, Xen Kernel, and centos-release-xen
For those of you who use xen4centos, but are not on the centos-virt mail list (shame on you if you do that :D) .. http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/2014-October/004132.html If you can test the auto update functionality of the kernel as outlined in that post and report the results (hopefully to the virt mail list :D), it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Johnny Hughes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On 10/9/2014 6:07 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: BTW, the whole idea of "antivirus" is flawed. It is based on "enumerate bad". You can't, as one never knows what will be invented in a future. I agree, but I don't know what else you can put in the hands of the novice, unless its the iPhone world of corporate approved apps only purchased through a monopoly 'app store'. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
actually, I think that the anti-virus that comes with Windows is only available for desktop OSs like Windows 7, and not available for the Server OSs like 2008 R2. On 10/9/2014 6:07 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Thu, October 9, 2014 7:41 pm, John R Pierce wrote: >> On 10/9/2014 8:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know >>> quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run >>> it >>> without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... >> Windows has included a decent A/V system, variously called Microsoft >> Security Essentials, and Microsoft Defender for the last several major >> releases. > Please roll the time back and change it from "IS" to "was for over decade > which changed just a year or two ago". > >> any other fables? >> > Not yet, but I'm inventive. > > BTW, the whole idea of "antivirus" is flawed. It is based on "enumerate > bad". You can't, as one never knows what will be invented in a future. > Good approach would be: enumerate good and ban everything else. Which we > usually do when configuring firewalls. Selinux (even though I have > different opinion about its usefulness) uses this not flawed approach > (consider this my next fable). > > Valeri > > > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Igal Sapir Railo Core Developer http://getRailo.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Thu, October 9, 2014 7:41 pm, John R Pierce wrote: > On 10/9/2014 8:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know >> quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run >> it >> without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... > > Windows has included a decent A/V system, variously called Microsoft > Security Essentials, and Microsoft Defender for the last several major > releases. Please roll the time back and change it from "IS" to "was for over decade which changed just a year or two ago". > > any other fables? > Not yet, but I'm inventive. BTW, the whole idea of "antivirus" is flawed. It is based on "enumerate bad". You can't, as one never knows what will be invented in a future. Good approach would be: enumerate good and ban everything else. Which we usually do when configuring firewalls. Selinux (even though I have different opinion about its usefulness) uses this not flawed approach (consider this my next fable). Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On 10/9/2014 8:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run it without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... Windows has included a decent A/V system, variously called Microsoft Security Essentials, and Microsoft Defender for the last several major releases. any other fables? -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, October 9, 2014 10:08 am, Igal @ getRailo.org wrote: > > On 10/9/2014 12:22 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > >> On 10/08/2014 07:50 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >>> Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a > >>> consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. > >> > >> Just your humble opinion, but how do you insist and repeat it :-) > >> ___ > >> CentOS mailing list > >> CentOS@centos.org > >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > > as for my humble opinion: > > > > I've looked into systemd in the past 24 hours and I find it as a > > refreshing update to Linux, and I welcome the fact that Linux is > > becoming a little more Windows-like. > > > > whatever your opinion about Windows may be -- you can't argue its huge > > worldwide success and impact. > > There you have it! > > M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know > quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run it > without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... > > IMHO this is changing. I recall that before "Code Red" (anyone remember that?) there was no antivirus worth talking about and no concern about security as such. The Shellshock exploit probably does two things. Firstly it raises awareness of many admins as regards security of Linux systems and it encourages hackers because they realise that there is now (and actually always has been) a target in Linux systems. It may be Linux's "Code Red". There are definitely more exploits out there. Not all Linux admins are security aware, just as many are not backup aware. Many think that Linux systems are secure by default. Many will "get around to security" some time. Cheers, Cliff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: CentOS list troubles
Hi Jason, On 10/10/2014 12:49 AM, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Karanbir, > > mark is currently moderated away from the list. >> > > Would you be able to help us understand what Mark did to have this happen? I've emailed him privately, that might be the best way to work this. He's not the only person moderated, everyone on that list has been emailed privately. > > I ask since you recently sent the e-mail about list conduct. I think it > would help us to understand what specifically you used for criteria to > moderate in this case. > > Thanks for the clarification. in this specific case, his threats of physical violence ( arguably, death threats ) towards people are really not acceptable on this list; and really content of that nature should not be acceptable in any sort of group; this is a technical list, largely self moderated, and very well established + respected in the peer group. Lets try and keep content to the technical conversations, ideally CentOS relevant. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: CentOS list troubles
Karanbir, mark is currently moderated away from the list. > Would you be able to help us understand what Mark did to have this happen? I ask since you recently sent the e-mail about list conduct. I think it would help us to understand what specifically you used for criteria to moderate in this case. Thanks for the clarification. Best, Jason ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 2014-10-09, John R Pierce wrote: > On 10/9/2014 10:55 AM, Keith Keller wrote: >> [lysncd is] basically a daemon monitoring inotify events and sending them to >> an >> rsync, so it can keep things up to date more easily. (I have never used >> it myself, so caveat emptor.) > > rsync is only safe to use on something like a database server if you > stop the database each time you run rsync, otherwise the files will get > out of sync. Ah, yes, I missed the OP's reference to mysql. Sorry about that! > I suppose you could setup mysql replication, and exclude mysql from the > lsyncd/rsync, that would be one approach. mysql/mariadb replication is a reasonable way to go, and probably has more eyes on it than lsyncd. MariaDB's somewhat new GTID replication might be more reliable than the old query/row/mixed replication scheme they had before. --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] arsh...@gmail.com has indicated you're a friend. Accept?
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[CentOS] Conduct on the CentOS List
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[CentOS] arsh...@gmail.com has indicated you're a friend. Accept?
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Re: [CentOS] file system replication
Hi John, On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:53 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 10/9/2014 11:57 AM, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: > >> Just to clarify. What state is the slave in? >> >> If master goes down, how does the slave become active? Just reboot it and >> let it come up? The wording "slave copy can't be mounted until drdb is >> stopped" leads me to believe the slave is in some alternate state to be >> receiving the blocks of data. >> > > the slave is up and running, but the file systems you're replicating are > unmounted, and its services are stopped, so you could consider this to be a > 'standby' state. > > yes, to use drbd, its important that you put your email spools, databases, > etc, on dedicated file system(s), NOT on the OS root file system. I > generally use lvm for all this. > > a cluster management package, such as the ones suggested by another > poster, would take care of all this for you (once you have things setup > properly), if the master fails, it would 'activate' the slave, switch its > IP[*] over to be the 'production' system, and mount its file systems, > starting its services (mysqld, postfix, etc) per your configuration. > > [*] typically, you use THREE IP addresses for a HA cluster. a unique IP > for each system, used only for management, and a 'service' IP used for the > production accesses, which is held by the currently active system. when > the master fails, the slave adopts this service IP. Thank you for this info. This clears up a lot and is very helpful. Jason ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Thu, October 9, 2014 4:27 pm, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:24:32AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> On Thu, October 9, 2014 9:37 am, James B. Byrne wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:50, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> >> No, at the moment I run services in FreeBSD jails. Even a single host >> sometimes lives in several jails (say: web server, shell login, mail,... >> go to different jails). But don't confuse me for an expert here... > > Jails are great. Although we had this great setup that worked up to 9.2 > with jails on nullfs (that is, a bunch of jails sharing a template) that > from 9.3 (maybe) and 10.0 (definitely) require an rc.local script to mount > devfs. Valeri, if your FreeBSD systems are on 9.2 or below, check out my > page at http://srobb.net/nullfsjail.html Thanks for the reference. I follow FreeBSD Handbook, sorry I only looked through your link without careful reading... but it looks pretty close to what I do by following Handbook. But thanks anyway. I guess, we need to move this discussion away from this list before we are banned (and rightfully so as this is irrelevant to CentOS Linux...). Valeri > >>From what I've heard (I'm at a primarily FreeBSD shop, though we are a >> 2nd > level CentOS mirror) bhyve is a bit behind. DISCLAIMER!!! I haven't > investigated it. I don't believe it's yet capable of running Windows. > > Jails are more like OpenVZ and Vserver, a more sophisticated chroot. > > > -- > Scott Robbins > PGP keyID EB3467D6 > ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:24:32AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, October 9, 2014 9:37 am, James B. Byrne wrote: > > > > On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:50, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> > > No, at the moment I run services in FreeBSD jails. Even a single host > sometimes lives in several jails (say: web server, shell login, mail,... > go to different jails). But don't confuse me for an expert here... Jails are great. Although we had this great setup that worked up to 9.2 with jails on nullfs (that is, a bunch of jails sharing a template) that from 9.3 (maybe) and 10.0 (definitely) require an rc.local script to mount devfs. Valeri, if your FreeBSD systems are on 9.2 or below, check out my page at http://srobb.net/nullfsjail.html >From what I've heard (I'm at a primarily FreeBSD shop, though we are a 2nd level CentOS mirror) bhyve is a bit behind. DISCLAIMER!!! I haven't investigated it. I don't believe it's yet capable of running Windows. Jails are more like OpenVZ and Vserver, a more sophisticated chroot. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: CentOS list troubles
On 10/09/2014 09:30 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Forwarded on Mark's behalf... > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM > Subject: CentOS list troubles > To: Les Mikesell > > > Hi, Les, > >Somewhere between late afternoon yesterday, and this morning, something > hit me: regardless of whether I post a new topic, or reply, I get > *nothing*: not a post, nor a bounce. It seems to just be going to > /dev/null. > >I've tried emailing list-owner, but I have no idea if it ever got there. > >Would you mind posting this? > >For the list-owner, please figure out what happened. > >Thanks in advance. > >mark > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > mark is currently moderated away from the list. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.11 / Firefox 31 -- totally borked...
On 10/09/2014 12:58 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > OK, I just updated my two CentOS 5 boxes (my laptop and by desktop) and > discoved that FF 31 is totally borked -- it seems not to be possible to > install either Firebug (either 2.0.4 or 1.12.8) or Firefox 2, the theme > reloaded (1.0.8). These two addons are critical to me. So I have snaged the FF > 24.8.0 rpms from the CentOS 5 vault and downgraded to this version and > blocked > further updates of FF. > > Where is the best place to report this problem? > It looks like it has been reported https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1150082 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.11 / Firefox 31 -- totally borked...
Robert Heller writes: > OK, I just updated my two CentOS 5 boxes (my laptop and by desktop) and > discoved that FF 31 is totally borked -- it seems not to be possible to > install either Firebug (either 2.0.4 or 1.12.8) or Firefox 2, the theme > reloaded (1.0.8). These two addons are critical to me. So I have snaged the FF > 24.8.0 rpms from the CentOS 5 vault and downgraded to this version and blocked > further updates of FF. I was going to post about this earlier, but got distracted ... Add-ons are totally broken on C5/ff31. All of them download, some of them continue to install (without the installation progress bar showing any signs of it), and for most add-ons, nothing happens after that. Sometimes, the add-on will install when the manual installation option is selected and the downloaded /tmp/xxx.xpi file chosen, but most of the time this does not work either. This also prevents updating of add-ons. What does seem to work is to log into a C6 box to install add-ons, no such problems there. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Fwd: CentOS list troubles
Forwarded on Mark's behalf... -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM Subject: CentOS list troubles To: Les Mikesell Hi, Les, Somewhere between late afternoon yesterday, and this morning, something hit me: regardless of whether I post a new topic, or reply, I get *nothing*: not a post, nor a bounce. It seems to just be going to /dev/null. I've tried emailing list-owner, but I have no idea if it ever got there. Would you mind posting this? For the list-owner, please figure out what happened. Thanks in advance. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.11 / Firefox 31 -- totally borked...
OK, I just updated my two CentOS 5 boxes (my laptop and by desktop) and discoved that FF 31 is totally borked -- it seems not to be possible to install either Firebug (either 2.0.4 or 1.12.8) or Firefox 2, the theme reloaded (1.0.8). These two addons are critical to me. So I have snaged the FF 24.8.0 rpms from the CentOS 5 vault and downgraded to this version and blocked further updates of FF. Where is the best place to report this problem? -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 10/9/2014 11:57 AM, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: Just to clarify. What state is the slave in? If master goes down, how does the slave become active? Just reboot it and let it come up? The wording "slave copy can't be mounted until drdb is stopped" leads me to believe the slave is in some alternate state to be receiving the blocks of data. the slave is up and running, but the file systems you're replicating are unmounted, and its services are stopped, so you could consider this to be a 'standby' state. yes, to use drbd, its important that you put your email spools, databases, etc, on dedicated file system(s), NOT on the OS root file system. I generally use lvm for all this. a cluster management package, such as the ones suggested by another poster, would take care of all this for you (once you have things setup properly), if the master fails, it would 'activate' the slave, switch its IP[*] over to be the 'production' system, and mount its file systems, starting its services (mysqld, postfix, etc) per your configuration. [*] typically, you use THREE IP addresses for a HA cluster. a unique IP for each system, used only for management, and a 'service' IP used for the production accesses, which is held by the currently active system. when the master fails, the slave adopts this service IP. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
Hi John, On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:44 AM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 10/9/2014 10:39 AM, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: > >> I need to keep 2 systems identical. Mostly e-mail directories, web >> directories, mysql, etc. The goal here is to have a 2nd system ready to go >> it the first one starts to exhibit hardware issues. >> >> What are options to have this happen? I'm going out on a limb and thinking >> rsync but I haven't used it past just simple use cases. >> >> Can anyone provide some insight for me? >> > > drbd is the live replication system, this does block level replication of > logical volumes. rsync doesn't handle changing-on-the-fly stuff very > well, especially stuff like a database file system which is undergoing > constant random write activity. > > but note, the drbd slave copy can't be mounted until drbd is stopped, or > all heck breaks loose. Just to clarify. What state is the slave in? If master goes down, how does the slave become active? Just reboot it and let it come up? The wording "slave copy can't be mounted until drdb is stopped" leads me to believe the slave is in some alternate state to be receiving the blocks of data. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Leon Fauster wrote: > Am 09.10.2014 um 16:57 schrieb Les Mikesell : >> I have. And I know how to. Ascii sort order is a straightforward >> concept for both humans and computers. I knew how to deal with >> scenarios with subtle issues like the network service 'completing' >> startup even though the connected switch was still doing spanning tree >> and the next network operation would fail. And now I don't know how >> to tell how introducing some new arbitrary service will interact with >> an existing arbitrary set. > > As I said, because you don't known doesn't mean its faulty -> human factor. "human factor" means it is extra work for someone who was already using a linux distribution because it did what they wanted - which doesn't seem good to me either. And since I don't understand it, I don't know how to prove that some arbitrary addition can't cause a dependency loop when added to some arbitrary existing configuration. Do you? >> You are just deferring the pain unless you plan to retire before EOL >> for EL6 and foist the work off on someone else. > > > An interesting idea, that was born in your head, right? No, it is a very real scenario for me. If I leave the upgrades for someone else it will probably be the end of linux use here. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
Am 09.10.2014 um 20:11 schrieb John R Pierce : > On 10/9/2014 11:06 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: >>> >Can anyone provide some insight for me? >>> > >> This would be a perfect use case for ZFS snapshot send and receive! > > Its not perfect if you don't want to lose all database transactions, new > files, and email between the last update and the point of hardware failure. > > > drbd really is the best answer as its continuous in-order replication. +1 in conjunction with pacemaker and corosync it would also switch over when some hardware issues appears. -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
> > drbd really is the best answer as its continuous in-order replication. Assuming of course that you dont need any kind of performance from your filesystem drdb is indeed the answer. ZFS snapshots can however be run on a per second basis which is quite neat! What ever you choose to do you would probably want to use mysql binary replication anyway so having a completely sync filesystem replica is probably not too much of a problem. I must point out that virtualisation made these kinds of problems mostly go away (assuming of course that you have cash for some kind of High Availability iSCSI device or something. > > > > > -- > john r pierce 37N 122W > somewhere on the middle of the left coast > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
Am 09.10.2014 um 16:57 schrieb Les Mikesell : > I have. And I know how to. Ascii sort order is a straightforward > concept for both humans and computers. I knew how to deal with > scenarios with subtle issues like the network service 'completing' > startup even though the connected switch was still doing spanning tree > and the next network operation would fail. And now I don't know how > to tell how introducing some new arbitrary service will interact with > an existing arbitrary set. As I said, because you don't known doesn't mean its faulty -> human factor. > You are just deferring the pain unless you plan to retire before EOL > for EL6 and foist the work off on someone else. An interesting idea, that was born in your head, right? I would suggest to keeping the facts on the table and concatenating opinions and other nonsense to device null. -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On Thu, October 9, 2014 12:39 pm, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I need to keep 2 systems identical. Mostly e-mail directories, web > directories, mysql, With databases you can not make sync of their data directories (on a filesystem level) while the daemon is running and accessing them in general. You may think of mysql redundant server or replication... Take a look here: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html Valeri > etc. The goal here is to have a 2nd system ready to go > it the first one starts to exhibit hardware issues. > > What are options to have this happen? I'm going out on a limb and thinking > rsync but I haven't used it past just simple use cases. > > Can anyone provide some insight for me? > > CentOS 6.5. > > Jason > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 10/9/2014 11:06 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: >Can anyone provide some insight for me? > This would be a perfect use case for ZFS snapshot send and receive! Its not perfect if you don't want to lose all database transactions, new files, and email between the last update and the point of hardware failure. drbd really is the best answer as its continuous in-order replication. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 10/9/2014 10:55 AM, Keith Keller wrote: [lysncd is] basically a daemon monitoring inotify events and sending them to an rsync, so it can keep things up to date more easily. (I have never used it myself, so caveat emptor.) rsync is only safe to use on something like a database server if you stop the database each time you run rsync, otherwise the files will get out of sync. I suppose you could setup mysql replication, and exclude mysql from the lsyncd/rsync, that would be one approach. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
> > Can anyone provide some insight for me? > This would be a perfect use case for ZFS snapshot send and receive! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 2014-10-09, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: > > I need to keep 2 systems identical. Mostly e-mail directories, web > directories, mysql, etc. The goal here is to have a 2nd system ready to go > it the first one starts to exhibit hardware issues. > > What are options to have this happen? I'm going out on a limb and thinking > rsync but I haven't used it past just simple use cases. You can try lsyncd. https://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/ It's basically a daemon monitoring inotify events and sending them to an rsync, so it can keep things up to date more easily. (I have never used it myself, so caveat emptor.) --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] file system replication
On 10/9/2014 10:39 AM, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote: I need to keep 2 systems identical. Mostly e-mail directories, web directories, mysql, etc. The goal here is to have a 2nd system ready to go it the first one starts to exhibit hardware issues. What are options to have this happen? I'm going out on a limb and thinking rsync but I haven't used it past just simple use cases. Can anyone provide some insight for me? drbd is the live replication system, this does block level replication of logical volumes. rsync doesn't handle changing-on-the-fly stuff very well, especially stuff like a database file system which is undergoing constant random write activity. but note, the drbd slave copy can't be mounted until drbd is stopped, or all heck breaks loose. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] file system replication
Hi Everyone, I need to keep 2 systems identical. Mostly e-mail directories, web directories, mysql, etc. The goal here is to have a 2nd system ready to go it the first one starts to exhibit hardware issues. What are options to have this happen? I'm going out on a limb and thinking rsync but I haven't used it past just simple use cases. Can anyone provide some insight for me? CentOS 6.5. Jason ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On 10/09/2014 01:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Steve Clark wrote: What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are going have a computer that has multiple graphics cards with multiple keyboards and multiple mice divided into seats. Really? Where do I buy this computer? It is much simpler to run remote X sessions over a network for multiuser access and probably not much more expensive if you use older PCs as terminals. You do have to boot something, but x2go or freenx/NX are cross platform and have great remote performance. I'm surprised no one has made a mini-linux distro that boots straight to x2go for this purpose, but if they have, I haven't found it. Or a raspberry-pi for $50 if you don't have an old PC. -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves Managed Services, LLC.* Director of Technology Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Steve Clark wrote: > >>> >>> What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments? >> >> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ >> > Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are going have a > computer that > has multiple graphics cards with multiple keyboards and multiple mice > divided into > seats. Really? > > Where do I buy this computer? It is much simpler to run remote X sessions over a network for multiuser access and probably not much more expensive if you use older PCs as terminals. You do have to boot something, but x2go or freenx/NX are cross platform and have great remote performance. I'm surprised no one has made a mini-linux distro that boots straight to x2go for this purpose, but if they have, I haven't found it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
Once upon a time, Steve Clark said: > Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are going have a > computer that > has multiple graphics cards with multiple keyboards and multiple mice divided > into > seats. Really? > > Where do I buy this computer? Umm, Wal-Mart? Best Buy? You do realize that AMD/ATI Radeon chips (for example) in many systems can drive multiple display simultaneously? Add another USB keyboard/mouse/speakers, and you can set them up as multiple seats. Pretty much any modern PC can have more than one video card. -- Chris Adams ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > I'd rather have people look at this: > > http://www.zdnet.com/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd-733847/ > Yes, "much too cavalier about bugs and compatibility" is exactly right. Never mind the fact that you break everything you existing users have done, you might attract some people who like windows and don't understand that it took decades of patches and reboots every Tuesday to reach any kind of stability with its monolithic approach. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On 10/09/2014 09:57 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 07:12:50AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote: Hi Jonathan, What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are going have a computer that has multiple graphics cards with multiple keyboards and multiple mice divided into seats. Really? Where do I buy this computer? -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves Managed Services, LLC.* Director of Technology Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, October 9, 2014 11:12 am, James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Wed, October 8, 2014 13:36, Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian >> wrote: >>> >>> Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of >>> systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted. >>> >>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd >> >> But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple >> solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements instead of >> actively wrecking the interfaces everyone else had depended on for >> decades. >> > > And see this: > > http://www.zdnet.com/lennart-poetterings-linus-torvalds-rant-734384/ > I'd rather have people look at this: http://www.zdnet.com/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd-733847/ Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Wed, October 8, 2014 14:49, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Digimer wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimer wrote: > > Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival space, better fuel economy, more comfortable... >>> >>> >>> I think I've forgotten what user interfaces these break. Did they >>> take away the steering wheel to add them? >> >> >> You cropped out the second half of my analogy, which explained why I thought >> the analogy applied. > > Umm, no. They are pretty much backwards compatible. Otherwise you'd > have to go through new training and testing to be certified as a > driver when you buy a new car. And car vendors know better than to do > that to their customers. > Car vendors might behave differently however. Particularly if they obtained revenue from the necessary retraining and profited from the licensing procedures. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Wed, October 8, 2014 13:36, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of >> systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted. >> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd > > But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple > solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements instead of > actively wrecking the interfaces everyone else had depended on for > decades. > And see this: http://www.zdnet.com/lennart-poetterings-linus-torvalds-rant-734384/ -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vmstat and loadavg disagree about system load
On Wed, October 8, 2014 11:23 pm, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 10/8/2014 9:00 PM, Mingfei Hua wrote:
>> The first two number of vmstat is running process and blocked process,
>> the sum of the two number should equal to system load. But it's
>> inconsistent in this case.
>
> linux load average counts processes that are doing disk IO or network IO
> as being 'ready'. they aren't actually running, but neither are they
> waiting on user input ('blocked' per vmstat's version of reality).
>
If I'm not mistaken the "cost" of switching between processes also adds to
system load...
Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
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Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Wed, October 8, 2014 11:31 pm, John R. Dennison wrote: > On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 07:16:16PM -0700, Keith Keller wrote: >> >> I can't speak for John, but presumably you were singled out for making >> your complaint in a completely ridiculous and inappropriate way. > > Please take this pissing contest off-list if you would all be so kind. > > > > > John >>-- > This is all happening because my father didn't buy me a train set as a > kid. > In this phrase I was always wondering "as a kid" part is about "me" or about "my father" ;-) Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Renaming NIC name in CentOS 7
On 10/5/2014 3:17 PM, George Kontostanos wrote: > I really don't get it. Why get into so much fuss just to rename your > interfaces > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Eliezer Croitoru > wrote: > > You might be (like I am) running archaic license servers that have hard coded ethernet ports in them. I have one that won't run with anything except eth0. -chuck -- ACCEL Services, Inc.| Specialists in Gravity, Magnetics | (713)993-0671 ph. | and Integrated Interpretation | (713)993-0608 fax 448 W. 19th St. #325|Since 1992 | (713)306-5794 cell Houston, TX, 77008 | Chuck Campbell | campb...@accelinc.com | President & Senior Geoscientist | "Integration means more than having all the maps at the same scale!" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Thu, October 9, 2014 2:22 am, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > On 10/08/2014 07:50 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a >> consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. > > Just your humble opinion, but how do you insist and repeat it :-) I guess the decision then was the bloody one ... ;-) Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On 10/9/2014 8:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Thu, October 9, 2014 10:08 am, Igal @ getRailo.org wrote: >> On 10/9/2014 12:22 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >>> On 10/08/2014 07:50 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. >>> Just your humble opinion, but how do you insist and repeat it :-) >>> ___ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS@centos.org >>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> as for my humble opinion: >> >> I've looked into systemd in the past 24 hours and I find it as a >> refreshing update to Linux, and I welcome the fact that Linux is >> becoming a little more Windows-like. >> >> whatever your opinion about Windows may be -- you can't argue its huge >> worldwide success and impact. > There you have it! > > M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know > quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run it > without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... > > Valeri that's exactly why my next statement read: > as long as you don't compromise security and/or performance ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Thu, October 9, 2014 9:37 am, James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:50, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> I would say, CentOS 6 is the best of Linuxes suitable for server (IMHO). >> However, I for one decided to move my servers away from Linux (as from >> "Unix-like" Linux gradually becomes "Windows-like" during last 5 years >> or >> so). Since some time ago I do not upgrade Linux systems on servers I >> maintain. Instead, when the time comes, I just migrate server from Linux >> to FreeBSD, which is much more suitable platform for server than Linux. >> Version 7 of RedHat Enterprise or CentOS is much worse than version 6 to >> build server on. Again, this is just my humble opinion. If I absolutely >> have to build server on today's latest Linux, I will choose Debian, >> which >> at least doesn't have systemd yet. But it will have it in next >> release... >> >> Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a >> consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. >> >> Valeri >> > > Do you run bhyve virtualisation on any of your migrated FreeBSD hosts? > No, at the moment I run services in FreeBSD jails. Even a single host sometimes lives in several jails (say: web server, shell login, mail,... go to different jails). But don't confuse me for an expert here... Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Thu, October 9, 2014 10:08 am, Igal @ getRailo.org wrote: > On 10/9/2014 12:22 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >> On 10/08/2014 07:50 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a >>> consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. >> >> Just your humble opinion, but how do you insist and repeat it :-) >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > as for my humble opinion: > > I've looked into systemd in the past 24 hours and I find it as a > refreshing update to Linux, and I welcome the fact that Linux is > becoming a little more Windows-like. > > whatever your opinion about Windows may be -- you can't argue its huge > worldwide success and impact. There you have it! M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run it without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... Valeri > > as long as you don't compromise security and/or performance, making > Linux more like Windows is a good thing IMO. > Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On 10/9/2014 12:22 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > On 10/08/2014 07:50 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a >> consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. > > Just your humble opinion, but how do you insist and repeat it :-) > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos as for my humble opinion: I've looked into systemd in the past 24 hours and I find it as a refreshing update to Linux, and I welcome the fact that Linux is becoming a little more Windows-like. whatever your opinion about Windows may be -- you can't argue its huge worldwide success and impact. as long as you don't compromise security and/or performance, making Linux more like Windows is a good thing IMO. -- Igal Sapir Railo Core Developer http://getRailo.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, October 9, 2014 6:09 am, Leon Fauster wrote:
> Am 08.10.2014 um 19:35 schrieb Valeri Galtsev :
>>
>> On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, wrote:
>>>
Jonathan Billings wrote:
And the point of it is?
Can someone just send the team that's working systemd on a nice
vacation,
say, maybe northern Iraq/Syria, the land of ISIS?
>>>
>>> Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
>>> systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted.
>>>
>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd
>>
>> OK, I for one am boycotting his creature, to the extent I can, the way I
>> can: I move my servers away from Linux (to FreeBSD, if someone
>> interested). None of my server will run on the box that has systemd.
>> Workstations stay Linux...
>
>
>
> I wonder why personal implications are communicated without explained
> reasons
> (because all are screaming doesn't mean its valid). "Changes" have
> inherent
> implications by it self - it doesn't matter what was the change. Take a
> look
> back (or step) and try to see what is being ignored, changes all over the
> community projects (e.g. kernel, gui, distros, wm, nfs, config syntax). So
> whats
> the point and why bothers other, if the problem [1] lies in our selfs?
> BTW,
> you have the choice.
>
> [1] problem definition: actual state = EL6, goal = EL7 and something that
> is preventing the transition (and that is for sure nothing technical).
Not that simple. Smaller things none of which on its own make you make
fundamental decision just accumulate, so after some critical mass you are
there, the decision is made. I probably will not remember all of them, and
definitely not in the order of their arrival.
1. SELinux (it doesn't not pass _my_ "security has been enhanced"
estimate. It can be turned off on the fly, therefore it is as if it
doesn't exist. It adds tens of thousands of lines of code to the kernel,
thus increasing chance of bugs and deteriorating security. And once my
estimate was confirmed: "critical security update of SELinux"...)
2. The need to reboot linux box often (on average every 45 days in my
observation...). I know, there are workarounds to patch on the fly...
3. Firewalld. I'm tempted to say: the philosophy it's based on is flawed.
Hey, this is our institutional internal network which is behind strict
firewall, so we consider it "safe" zone... Nope. Wherever is the machine
that _you_ do not administer, you better do not consider it "safe" or
"secure". It uses the same iptables kernel module, right? And you can
switch to using iptables instead if it, right? Only one day you end up
running distro with stripped this, stripped that... Small thing in itself
as I said.
4. Systemd. ("If it ain't broke, don't fix it"). I don't want to start
flames again...
And things add up gradually till you realize this. If I were willing to
run M$ Windows I would pay for it, and will curse it legitimately as I
paid for it and my money entitles me to curse it. Now I run free open
source system courtesy of uncounted number of generous developers. I
should be grateful to them and tolerate new routes they take - which is
usually their only reward for their work... So, when I can not tolerate it
any more (... accumulated above critical mass), I just go to another also
open source system, thank goodness, they still do exist...
Valeri
>
> PS: I'm not taking a position for systemd - just seeing some kind of
> structure.
>
Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
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Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Leon Fauster wrote: > >> >>> But what am I doing. The World passed that point... >>> >> >> I guess debugging the GUIs that make the config files accessible will >> be job security for the young guys that replace us... > > > > Are you serious? Do you provide manually the links for the sysV fs? I have. And I know how to. Ascii sort order is a straightforward concept for both humans and computers. I knew how to deal with scenarios with subtle issues like the network service 'completing' startup even though the connected switch was still doing spanning tree and the next network operation would fail. And now I don't know how to tell how introducing some new arbitrary service will interact with an existing arbitrary set. > Or do you use an "wrapper/helper" (e.g. ntsysv, chkconfig)? So why > not using the same work-abstraction for a different boot process? I have. And now those won't work the same way. So why was using that abstraction good? > And about readability - do you read all configuration files on every > system boot? No - but the system does and therefore xml is more suitable. I read them at the important times. When things aren't working. The ones shipped with the system have already had years of breakage gradually fixed in fedora. Our local apps will have to start from scratch. > Please don't misunderstand me. As I tried and mentioned before - the > whole disarmony here is more based on human and not on technical factors. > I am on your side but for sure for different reasons. EL7 has changed > to much not only the boot process. The cluster stack, IPsec implementation > and httpd config syntax is different, NM for network, gnome-shell, missing > TB and so on. Further investigation and adaptation of our deployment processes > are in progress. So, EL6 will stay here as a primary plattform. You are just deferring the pain unless you plan to retire before EOL for EL6 and foist the work off on someone else. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:50, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > I would say, CentOS 6 is the best of Linuxes suitable for server (IMHO). > However, I for one decided to move my servers away from Linux (as from > "Unix-like" Linux gradually becomes "Windows-like" during last 5 years or > so). Since some time ago I do not upgrade Linux systems on servers I > maintain. Instead, when the time comes, I just migrate server from Linux > to FreeBSD, which is much more suitable platform for server than Linux. > Version 7 of RedHat Enterprise or CentOS is much worse than version 6 to > build server on. Again, this is just my humble opinion. If I absolutely > have to build server on today's latest Linux, I will choose Debian, which > at least doesn't have systemd yet. But it will have it in next release... > > Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a > consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. > > Valeri > Do you run bhyve virtualisation on any of your migrated FreeBSD hosts? -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
Am 09.10.2014 um 15:07 schrieb Les Mikesell : > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Valeri Galtsev > wrote: >> >>> >>> Really? What application could you not start with sysv init syntax? >>> What CPU has become too slow to start things serially? What feature >>> do you need that could not have been added without breaking other >>> existing work? >>> >> >> >> The feature of advantage is fast boot. As Linux like Windows needs reboot >> often, it is awfully important. And all of you, dinosaurs (who saw years >> long uptime of Linux machines) who don't care that boot takes 60 seconds >> now instead of 4 minutes should just shut up. >> >> >> Let me second what you said. I also would add: In my opinion it is not >> clever to keep settings that are expressed by plain ASCII text being >> marked up, "dressed into junk", XML. For human to read them you need >> "undress" them (you GUI guys may forget that your GUI does that - not >> literally of course), and to pass them to systemd itself one has strip the >> junk (XML markup). The same goes about firewalld. >> >> But what am I doing. The World passed that point... >> > > I guess debugging the GUIs that make the config files accessible will > be job security for the young guys that replace us... Are you serious? Do you provide manually the links for the sysV fs? Or do you use an "wrapper/helper" (e.g. ntsysv, chkconfig)? So why not using the same work-abstraction for a different boot process? And about readability - do you read all configuration files on every system boot? No - but the system does and therefore xml is more suitable. Please don't misunderstand me. As I tried and mentioned before - the whole disarmony here is more based on human and not on technical factors. I am on your side but for sure for different reasons. EL7 has changed to much not only the boot process. The cluster stack, IPsec implementation and httpd config syntax is different, NM for network, gnome-shell, missing TB and so on. Further investigation and adaptation of our deployment processes are in progress. So, EL6 will stay here as a primary plattform. Peace. -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 07:12:50AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vmstat and loadavg disagree about system load
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 05:29:44AM +, Mingfei Hua wrote: > Followed line is quoted from “man vmstat”, it means r+b=running > process + uninterruptible sleep process. So, what’s the definition > of system load, doesn’t it include running process and process in > uninterruptible sleep. Which part is wrong? Please explicitly > denote. This is how the load average is calculated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)#Reckoning_CPU_load -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Dell Dimension 2400 W/Intel 845-G Video
> -Original Message- > From: Mark LaPierre [mailto:marklap...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:52 PM > To: Mail List CentOS Users > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dell Dimension 2400 W/Intel 845-G Video > > On 10/06/14 21:45, Peter wrote: > > On 10/06/2014 03:47 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > >> I've been Googeling and experimenting for two days trying to find a way > >> to deal with the Intel 845-G video chipset in this Dell Dimension 2400. > >> First, it doesn't have a DVD drive so I have to install from a CD. > >> When I try to boot into the Live CD I get a video error something like, > >> Undefined video mode number: 317. It hangs at the splash screen. > > > > Lots of solutions for this in google: > > https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=%22Undefined+video+mode+number%3A+317%22 > > > > The driver for that chipset is just the regular intel driver: > > yum install xorg-x11-drv-intel > > > > You never mentioned which version of CentOS you're trying to install. > > > > > > Peter > > Hey Peter, > > Thanks for the link. I'm working with CentOS 6.5. > > I changed the boot command from nomodeset to vga=normal > > I changed the Xorg.config device from "VESA" to "Intel" > > I rebooted the machine. > > I now have a desktop at a usable resolution. Thank you there!! > > But, there's always a but, the text displayed on that screen is not > usable. The text on the top bar that should say: > Applications Places System > says: > A PSm > > The icon that is supposed to say "Computer" says "C m" > > There's a dialogue box in the middle of the screen with various and > assorted consonants spread about. I have no idea what it's supposed to say. > > Any clue as to how I can fix this? I have a similar Intel card on a machine (not near it right now) which has the same kind of text issues. The trick I learned was to log out and log back in. i.e., you have to know which " ys em" and " og O t" menu items get you to log out and do that. When GDM comes up the next time it will be good. Be glad your GDM comes up so you can see it for the first login, Mine was a black screen with a pointer. Wish I knew how to tell X to just restart itself after initializing the card. BTW if I recall correctly, telinit 3 && sleep 5 && telinit 5 ; will return me to broken text so no help there. Even when this disclaimer is not here: I am not a contracting officer. I do not have authority to make or modify the terms of any contract. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >>> was - the requirements at that time were nearly/completely >>> different. We have different scenarios right now. >> >> Really? What application could you not start with sysv init syntax? >> What CPU has become too slow to start things serially? What feature >> do you need that could not have been added without breaking other >> existing work? >> > > > The feature of advantage is fast boot. As Linux like Windows needs reboot > often, it is awfully important. And all of you, dinosaurs (who saw years > long uptime of Linux machines) who don't care that boot takes 60 seconds > now instead of 4 minutes should just shut up. > > > Let me second what you said. I also would add: In my opinion it is not > clever to keep settings that are expressed by plain ASCII text being > marked up, "dressed into junk", XML. For human to read them you need > "undress" them (you GUI guys may forget that your GUI does that - not > literally of course), and to pass them to systemd itself one has strip the > junk (XML markup). The same goes about firewalld. > > But what am I doing. The World passed that point... > I guess debugging the GUIs that make the config files accessible will be job security for the young guys that replace us... -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, October 9, 2014 7:37 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Leon Fauster > wrote: >> >> But so did other systems, but they later found out that sometimes you have to break this backwards to infinity compatibility in order to get some big progress. >>> >>> Only if the design was bad in the first place. And if the design was >>> really bad, there wouldn't be any users to infuriate by breaking the >>> interfaces they use. But the unix design that linux and linux >>> distributions copied was pretty good, including the way init started >>> things. >> >> was - the requirements at that time were nearly/completely >> different. We have different scenarios right now. > > Really? What application could you not start with sysv init syntax? > What CPU has become too slow to start things serially? What feature > do you need that could not have been added without breaking other > existing work? > The feature of advantage is fast boot. As Linux like Windows needs reboot often, it is awfully important. And all of you, dinosaurs (who saw years long uptime of Linux machines) who don't care that boot takes 60 seconds now instead of 4 minutes should just shut up. Let me second what you said. I also would add: In my opinion it is not clever to keep settings that are expressed by plain ASCII text being marked up, "dressed into junk", XML. For human to read them you need "undress" them (you GUI guys may forget that your GUI does that - not literally of course), and to pass them to systemd itself one has strip the junk (XML markup). The same goes about firewalld. But what am I doing. The World passed that point... Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] removing menus
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Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Leon Fauster wrote: > >> >>> But so did other systems, but they later found out that sometimes you have >>> to break this backwards to infinity compatibility in order to get some big >>> progress. >> >> Only if the design was bad in the first place. And if the design was >> really bad, there wouldn't be any users to infuriate by breaking the >> interfaces they use. But the unix design that linux and linux >> distributions copied was pretty good, including the way init started >> things. > > was - the requirements at that time were nearly/completely > different. We have different scenarios right now. Really? What application could you not start with sysv init syntax? What CPU has become too slow to start things serially? What feature do you need that could not have been added without breaking other existing work? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Bash still vulnerable
On 10/09/2014 07:00 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 10/09/2014 06:48 AM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: >> I noticed this as well but did some homework ;-) >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147189 >> https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-6277 >> >> If I understand it correctly they think it's not exploitable anymore. >> Still think it should get patched immediately as there is an upstream >> patch available and it avoids any more questions and confusion about this >> problem. > > Well, the upstream patch, at least as it is written now, would require > them to back out their patches to apply. > > But regardless if whether or not they fix the segfault issue, that is > NOT a security issue or exploitable. > > It might possibly be a Denial of Service mechanism, I guess. > > The place to address this is on the bugzilla entry though. We will > publish the changes Red Hat rolls into the source and the upstream > bugzilla is how to make that happen. > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147189 Although, this is already in there: "We can reproduce this parser bug. But we treat this as a regular bug, not a security bug, because of the fixes mentioned in comment #1." So, I would imagine that statement means that they are going to fix the segfault issue as a RHBA, not an RHSA. This likely means it will happen, but the QA and regression testing will be longer and more thorough as it is not a time critical security issue. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Bash still vulnerable
On 10/09/2014 06:48 AM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > I noticed this as well but did some homework ;-) > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147189 > https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-6277 > > If I understand it correctly they think it's not exploitable anymore. > Still think it should get patched immediately as there is an upstream > patch available and it avoids any more questions and confusion about this > problem. Well, the upstream patch, at least as it is written now, would require them to back out their patches to apply. But regardless if whether or not they fix the segfault issue, that is NOT a security issue or exploitable. It might possibly be a Denial of Service mechanism, I guess. The place to address this is on the bugzilla entry though. We will publish the changes Red Hat rolls into the source and the upstream bugzilla is how to make that happen. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147189 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Bash still vulnerable
I noticed this as well but did some homework ;-) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147189 https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-6277 If I understand it correctly they think it's not exploitable anymore. Still think it should get patched immediately as there is an upstream patch available and it avoids any more questions and confusion about this problem. Kai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Bash still vulnerable
On 10/09/2014 12:26 PM, Lars Hecking wrote: > > According to the vulnerability test script from shellshocker.net, the latest > bash versions on CentOS5 and CentOS6, 3.2-33.el5_11.4 and 4.1.2-15.el6_5.2, > resp., are still vulnerable to CVE-2014-6277. In fact, on CentOS6, abrtd will > send you a nice report about it. Does anyone know if upstream is working on a > fix? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147189 has conversation and details that you might find interesting. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Bash still vulnerable
According to the vulnerability test script from shellshocker.net, the latest
bash versions on CentOS5 and CentOS6, 3.2-33.el5_11.4 and 4.1.2-15.el6_5.2,
resp., are still vulnerable to CVE-2014-6277. In fact, on CentOS6, abrtd will
send you a nice report about it. Does anyone know if upstream is working on a
fix?
[root@host ~]# bash ~/shellshock_test.sh
CVE-2014-6271 (original shellshock): not vulnerable
/root/shellshock_test.sh: line 16: 17229 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
bash -c "f() { x() { _;}; x() { _;} < /dev/null
CVE-2014-6277 (segfault): VULNERABLE
CVE-2014-6278 (Florian's patch): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-7169 (taviso bug): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-7186 (redir_stack bug): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-7187 (nested loops off by one): not vulnerable
CVE-2014- (exploit 3 on http://shellshocker.net/): not vulnerable
[root@host ~]#
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Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
Am 08.10.2014 um 20:25 schrieb Les Mikesell : > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner > wrote: >>> >>> >>> But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple >>> solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements instead of >>> actively wrecking the interfaces everyone else had depended on for >>> decades. >> >> >> "decades". That, by itself, already calls for an update, no? > > No, do you dig a new foundation for your house every 10 years? Trade > in your wife and kids? > >> But so did other systems, but they later found out that sometimes you have >> to break this backwards to infinity compatibility in order to get some big >> progress. > > Only if the design was bad in the first place. And if the design was > really bad, there wouldn't be any users to infuriate by breaking the > interfaces they use. But the unix design that linux and linux > distributions copied was pretty good, including the way init started > things. was - the requirements at that time were nearly/completely different. We have different scenarios right now. -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
Am 08.10.2014 um 20:18 schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us: > Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote: >> On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian >>> wrote: >>> >>> But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple >>> solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements instead of >>> actively wrecking the interfaces everyone else had depended on for >>> decades. >> >> "decades". That, by itself, already calls for an update, no? > > Why? Do you ride a bicycle differently, or drive differently, than you did > say, 20 years ago? You went out and bought a recumbent, or an electric > car? I have changed from free gear to fixed gear - hell, that was terrible on the first days. I am still riding the fixed one. -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On 10/08/2014 07:39 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote: 3.) better support multi-seat environments Errr... I meant that moving it to userspace makes it easier to support multi-seat environments. Hi Jonathan, What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments? -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
Am 08.10.2014 um 19:35 schrieb Valeri Galtsev : > > On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, wrote: >> >>> Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> >>> And the point of it is? >>> >>> Can someone just send the team that's working systemd on a nice >>> vacation, >>> say, maybe northern Iraq/Syria, the land of ISIS? >>> >> >> Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of >> systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted. >> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd > > OK, I for one am boycotting his creature, to the extent I can, the way I > can: I move my servers away from Linux (to FreeBSD, if someone > interested). None of my server will run on the box that has systemd. > Workstations stay Linux... I wonder why personal implications are communicated without explained reasons (because all are screaming doesn't mean its valid). "Changes" have inherent implications by it self - it doesn't matter what was the change. Take a look back (or step) and try to see what is being ignored, changes all over the community projects (e.g. kernel, gui, distros, wm, nfs, config syntax). So whats the point and why bothers other, if the problem [1] lies in our selfs? BTW, you have the choice. [1] problem definition: actual state = EL6, goal = EL7 and something that is preventing the transition (and that is for sure nothing technical). PS: I'm not taking a position for systemd - just seeing some kind of structure. -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Scheduled DD-WRT Reboot
Chris wrote: > In DD-WRT, there is a menu scheduled reboot in the Administration tab. > If this isn't working (e.g. in Client Mode), you have to setup a cronjob > manually. Both is described at > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Scheduled_reboot Thanks, I'll check that. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner > wrote: > > >>> > >>> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd > >> > >> > > No, do you dig a new foundation for your house every 10 years? Trade > in your wife and kids? > > Yep, of course. Doesn't everyone? Cheers, Cliff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...
On 10/08/2014 07:50 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Again, this is just $0.02 worth of my own opinion, definitely not a consensus (and likely not even a majority opinion) on this list. Just your humble opinion, but how do you insist and repeat it :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
