[CentOS-es] Necesito de su orientación

2015-03-03 Thread Luis J. Feo
Mantengo un servidor web (Centos 5.11) con mysql server 5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64 y al 
intentar hacerle un upgrade a mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 me origina el 
siguiente conflicto que no se como tratar: 
ile /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.16.0.0 from install of 
mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
libmysqlclient16-5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64
file /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.so.16.0.0 from install of 
mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
libmysqlclient16-5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64


Alguna idea?





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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Jason Pyeron wrote:

 I'm getting endless complaints about my dovecot cert,
 
 Exact message please?

The certificate does not apply to the given host
The certificate is not signed by any trusted certificate authority

 Do I really have to use a separate cert and key for dovecot?
 Can I not use the standard cert in /etc/pki/tls/certs (and key)
 from CACert.org ?
 
 Post the certificate only, not the private key.

I've looked at the cert and key and they look ok for what they are,
a self-signed certificate and key, as created (years ago)
following the instructions in the dovecot installation instructions.

I'm really just asking if I cannot just use what I take to be
the standard openssl certificate and key in /etc/pki/tls/
Do I really have to create up a special cert for dovecot?

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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Jason Pyeron
 -Original Message-
 From: Timothy Murphy
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:13
 
 Jason Pyeron wrote:
 
  I'm getting endless complaints about my dovecot cert,
  
  Exact message please?
 
 The certificate does not apply to the given host

So lets deal with this first.

What is the hostname?

What is the subject of the certificate [hint, I asked for the cert to be posted 
last time]?

 The certificate is not signed by any trusted certificate authority

We will address this after we get more data on the problem.

 
  Do I really have to use a separate cert and key for dovecot?
  Can I not use the standard cert in /etc/pki/tls/certs (and key)
  from CACert.org ?
  
  Post the certificate only, not the private key.

Like this: openssl x509  /etc/pki/dovecot/certs/dovecot.pem

 
 I've looked at the cert and key and they look ok for what they are,
 a self-signed certificate and key, as created (years ago)
 following the instructions in the dovecot installation instructions.
 
 I'm really just asking if I cannot just use what I take to be
 the standard openssl certificate and key in /etc/pki/tls/
 Do I really have to create up a special cert for dovecot?

It depends on what you mean by special and was it done properly the first time.

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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Valeri Galtsev

On Tue, March 3, 2015 9:41 am, i...@microlinux.fr wrote:
 Hi,

 I just had the weirdest of system crashed. Here goes.

 I wanted to install a desktop step by step, as I usually do. First the
 base system, then the X Window System, then the WindowMaker window
 manager. Everything went OK, then I installed kmod-nvidia from ELRepo.
 Yum informed me that the driver conflicted with x11-glamor (something
 like that), so I removed the corresponding package.

 While doing all this, the system still defaulted to boot in console mode
 (meaning multi-user.target and not graphical.target). To test X, I just
 launched WindowMaker using startx.

 Anyway, I rebooted, and then... nothing. System refused even to startup,
 and systemd suggested to me that I open journalctl (which taught me
 nothing).

 Right now I've started a Slax LiveCD to backup all my data and reinstall
 the whole thing from scratch. I don't have the slightest clue as to what
 could possibly have happened here. The only thing I wonder: could it be
 that installing the kmod-nvidia driver while booting to a default
 console (and not graphical) could lead to this weirdness? A previous
 installation on that machine went OK, but the difference was that the
 first time, I started with a full GNOME installation right away.

 Any suggestions?

If I were to troubleshoot this I would do it the following way:
1. wipe everything and set up standard desktop set with Xwindow
2. install nvidia driver
3. remove packages you don't like and replace them with the ones you like
to achieve your final configuration

Why? Because all usually is tested in pretty much standard set of
packages, thus if you follow the route above you will unlikely have your
box bricked after installing nvidia driver. Then in step 3 you will
discover doing which of your customizations breaks things. I call it for
myself lazy person easy path approach ;-)

Just my $0.02.

Valeri


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Re: [CentOS] Custom user profile for GNOME 3?

2015-03-03 Thread James B. Byrne

On Tue, March 3, 2015 06:27, Niki Kovacs wrote:
 Hi,

 I wonder where - and eventually how - GNOME 3 stores its user
 preferences. I'd like to create a custom user profile, with slightly
 different settings than the default ones:


You might take a look at the gsettings utility.

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[CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread info

Hi,

I just had the weirdest of system crashed. Here goes.

I wanted to install a desktop step by step, as I usually do. First the 
base system, then the X Window System, then the WindowMaker window 
manager. Everything went OK, then I installed kmod-nvidia from ELRepo. 
Yum informed me that the driver conflicted with x11-glamor (something 
like that), so I removed the corresponding package.


While doing all this, the system still defaulted to boot in console mode 
(meaning multi-user.target and not graphical.target). To test X, I just 
launched WindowMaker using startx.


Anyway, I rebooted, and then... nothing. System refused even to startup, 
and systemd suggested to me that I open journalctl (which taught me 
nothing).


Right now I've started a Slax LiveCD to backup all my data and reinstall 
the whole thing from scratch. I don't have the slightest clue as to what 
could possibly have happened here. The only thing I wonder: could it be 
that installing the kmod-nvidia driver while booting to a default 
console (and not graphical) could lead to this weirdness? A previous 
installation on that machine went OK, but the difference was that the 
first time, I started with a full GNOME installation right away.


Any suggestions?

Niki
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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Jason Pyeron
 -Original Message-
 From: Timothy Murphy
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:55
 
 I'm getting endless complaints about my dovecot cert,

Exact message please?

 /etc/pki/dovecot/certs/dovecot.pem
 which I created years ago following the dovecot instructions.
 
 Do I really have to use a separate cert and key for dovecot?
 Can I not use the standard cert in /etc/pki/tls/certs (and key)
 from CACert.org ?

Post the certificate only, not the private key. That is the part between 
-BEGIN CERTIFICATE- and -END CERTIFICATE-. If you have a 
binary file, pipe it to 'openssl x509 -inform DER'

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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Greg Bailey

On 03/03/2015 08:12 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Jason Pyeron wrote:


I'm getting endless complaints about my dovecot cert,

Exact message please?

The certificate does not apply to the given host
The certificate is not signed by any trusted certificate authority


Do I really have to use a separate cert and key for dovecot?
Can I not use the standard cert in /etc/pki/tls/certs (and key)
from CACert.org ?

Post the certificate only, not the private key.

I've looked at the cert and key and they look ok for what they are,
a self-signed certificate and key, as created (years ago)
following the instructions in the dovecot installation instructions.

I'm really just asking if I cannot just use what I take to be
the standard openssl certificate and key in /etc/pki/tls/
Do I really have to create up a special cert for dovecot?



There's not really a standard SSL certificate.  Perhaps you're 
referring to a default certificate used by the webserver?


What I typically do is get a real, but free, SSL certificate from some 
place like StartSSL (www.startssl.com), and then copy the key and 
certificate to the location that's specified for use by dovecot.  That 
way, both httpd and dovecot are using the same certificate (although 
it's stored in 2 different locations).


The other thing to consider with dovecot (if you go with a third-party 
certificate) is that you may need to append the intermediate certificate 
to your server-specific certificate to properly establish the chain of 
trust for clients attempting to verify it.


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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Steve Thompson

On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, i...@microlinux.fr wrote:


Any suggestions?


There are multiple nvidia drivers in Elrepo, depending on the model of 
video card. Install and run nvidia-detect to find out which driver you 
need; just installing the kmod-nvidia package is not guaranteed to give 
you a working driver.


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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread info

Le 03.03.2015 17:00, Steve Thompson a écrit :

On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, i...@microlinux.fr wrote:

Any suggestions?

There are multiple nvidia drivers in Elrepo, depending on the model of
video card. Install and run nvidia-detect to find out which driver you
need; just installing the kmod-nvidia package is not guaranteed to
give you a working driver.


I used nvidia-detect, and installed kmod-nvidia. Even then, the previous 
installation ran kmod-nvidia with success on twin monitors.


And even then, installing the wrong NVidia driver should only result in 
X failing to start... but not in a system that won't even *boot*. 
Startup messages stopped short immediately, I'd say right after 
initramfs was loaded.


On a side note: before using CentOS, I ran Slackware for a few years, so 
I know how to configure X and video drivers manually. I've never seen 
this sort of weird crash.


Niki



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Re: [CentOS] Custom user profile for GNOME 3?

2015-03-03 Thread Nux!
Niki,

Look at dconf / gsettings.

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- Original Message -
 From: Niki Kovacs i...@microlinux.fr
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 3 March, 2015 11:27:31
 Subject: [CentOS] Custom user profile for GNOME 3?

 Hi,
 
 I wonder where - and eventually how - GNOME 3 stores its user
 preferences. I'd like to create a custom user profile, with slightly
 different settings than the default ones:
 
 * don't show home folder on ~/Desktop
 * don't show Trash
 * use custom default wallpaper
 * stretch wallpaper instead of zooming
 * use different default icon theme
 * etc.
 
 Until now I've done this successfully with desktop environments like
 GNOME 2, Xfce or KDE. I just copied over the relevant files from
 ~/.config, ~/.kde4 (IIRC), ~/.gconf or whatever to /etc/skel, and newly
 created users had their settings ready.
 
 Anybody knows how I can manage this with GNOME 3?
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [CentOS-es] Necesito de su orientación

2015-03-03 Thread José Luis Respeto Alvarez
Quizas necesites hacer antes un update de tus librerías, porque según la
versión de centos que usas tiene pinta de estar la máquina un poco
desfasada.

Un saludo

El 3 de marzo de 2015, 16:00, Luis J. Feo luisj...@hotmail.com escribió:

 Mantengo un servidor web (Centos 5.11) con mysql server 5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64
 y al intentar hacerle un upgrade a mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 me
 origina el siguiente conflicto que no se como tratar:
 ile /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.16.0.0 from install of
 mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
 libmysqlclient16-5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64
 file /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.so.16.0.0 from install of
 mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
 libmysqlclient16-5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64


 Alguna idea?


 

 

 

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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Jason Pyeron wrote:

 I'm really just asking if I cannot just use what I take to be
 the standard openssl certificate and key in /etc/pki/tls/
 Do I really have to create up a special cert for dovecot?
 
 It depends on what you mean by special and was it done properly the first
 time.

The cert and key in /etc/pki/tls seem to work perfectly well.
My impression is that this is the standard place 
for CentOS and Fedora certs.
IIRC, installation guides for both suggest this for certs and keys.

Most Fedora applications that require authentication
also seem to refer to this folder.

My question is simply: Does one require a separate cert for dovecot?


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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Ned Slider


On 03/03/15 18:47, Niki Kovacs wrote:
 
 
 Le 03/03/2015 19:25, Jonathan Billings a écrit :
 One of the things that the nvidia driver adds is nouveau.modeset=0
 rdblacklist=nouveau to the kernel arguments.  Do you see them?  I
 know that we saw the kernel panic when the nouveau driver was loaded
 on a el6.6 system with an NVidia K620, so perhaps when you brought in
 X11 you also installed the nouveau drivers?
 
 One thing I did this time was to make sure there weren't any
 incompatible drivers (like 'nouveau') installed *before* actually
 installing and configuring kmod-nvidia. Now everything works as expected.
 

The elrepo nvidia drivers will disable the nouveau driver automatically
so you don't need to worry about things like that.

Don't over-think it. I would recommend you just set up your system the
way you want it with at least a minimal working Xorg installation, and
fully updated. Then just:

yum install nvidia-detect
yum install $(nvidia-detect)

and reboot, and you should be good to go.


 I can't be sure 100 %, but I think this was the culprit.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Niki
 
 
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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Jason Pyeron
 -Original Message-
 From: Timothy Murphy
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 14:19
 
 Greg Bailey wrote:
 
  I'm really just asking if I cannot just use what I take to be
  the standard openssl certificate and key in /etc/pki/tls/
  Do I really have to create up a special cert for dovecot?

I think at this point, I will say: Works for me.

[root@node001 ~]# openssl x509 /etc/pki/dovecot/certs/dovecot.pem
-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-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-END CERTIFICATE-
[root@node001 ~]#

Note the common name against the prompt's hostname.

All of our enterprise users can connect on many different clients.

 
  There's not really a standard SSL certificate.  Perhaps you're
  referring to a default certificate used by the webserver?
 
 No. I should have said standard locate.
 I think both Fedora and CentOS create the folders
 /etc/pki/tls/{certs,private},
 so I assume this means that certs and keys should be store there.
 
  What I typically do is get a real, but free, SSL 
 certificate from some
  place like StartSSL (www.startssl.com), and then copy the key and
  certificate to the location that's specified for use by dovecot.
 
 My question exactly - is there any reason why one should not do that?
 Or even more simply, give the locations /etc/pki/tls/{certs,private}
 in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf ?

Where you get or create your cert from is irrelevant.

The error messages indicate a hostname mismatch among other issues, but I 
cannot help you if you don't provide the answers or data to help you.

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Re: [CentOS-es] Necesito de su orientación

2015-03-03 Thread Pablo Alberto Flores
Posiblemente ocupaste repositorio distinto cuando instalaste mysql
conflicts with file from package libmysqlclient

deberias desinstalar el mysqlclient y volver a instalar

Saludos

El 3 de marzo de 2015, 13:41, José Luis Respeto Alvarez 
joseluisresp...@gmail.com escribió:

 Quizas necesites hacer antes un update de tus librerías, porque según la
 versión de centos que usas tiene pinta de estar la máquina un poco
 desfasada.

 Un saludo

 El 3 de marzo de 2015, 16:00, Luis J. Feo luisj...@hotmail.com escribió:

  Mantengo un servidor web (Centos 5.11) con mysql server
 5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64
  y al intentar hacerle un upgrade a mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 me
  origina el siguiente conflicto que no se como tratar:
  ile /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.16.0.0 from install of
  mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
  libmysqlclient16-5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.so.16.0.0 from install of
  mysql51w-libs-5.1.73-2.w5.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
  libmysqlclient16-5.1.69-1.w5.x86_64
 
 
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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Greg Bailey wrote:

 I'm really just asking if I cannot just use what I take to be
 the standard openssl certificate and key in /etc/pki/tls/
 Do I really have to create up a special cert for dovecot?

 There's not really a standard SSL certificate.  Perhaps you're
 referring to a default certificate used by the webserver?

No. I should have said standard locate.
I think both Fedora and CentOS create the folders
/etc/pki/tls/{certs,private},
so I assume this means that certs and keys should be store there.

 What I typically do is get a real, but free, SSL certificate from some
 place like StartSSL (www.startssl.com), and then copy the key and
 certificate to the location that's specified for use by dovecot.

My question exactly - is there any reason why one should not do that?
Or even more simply, give the locations /etc/pki/tls/{certs,private}
in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf ?

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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:41:01PM +0100, i...@microlinux.fr wrote:
 Anyway, I rebooted, and then... nothing. System refused even to startup, and
 systemd suggested to me that I open journalctl (which taught me nothing).

This doesn't make any sense.  You said 'nothing' but it also suggested
you run journalctl?  So it wasn't nothing.  What exactly did it do?
Did it drop into the rescue shell?  Did it kernel panic?  Did you see
some text then the screen blanked?

Did you try older any older kernels that might have been loaded?

One of the things that the nvidia driver adds is nouveau.modeset=0
rdblacklist=nouveau to the kernel arguments.  Do you see them?  I
know that we saw the kernel panic when the nouveau driver was loaded
on a el6.6 system with an NVidia K620, so perhaps when you brought in
X11 you also installed the nouveau drivers?

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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Niki Kovacs



Le 03/03/2015 18:45, Scott Robbins a écrit :

This might have to do with the NVidia update, explained on the elrepo
pages.

http://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia

You may have an older card that will require the 340xx versions of the
various NVidia tools.


No, it's a GT520 which is supposed to work with the latest driver.

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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Niki Kovacs



Le 03/03/2015 19:25, Jonathan Billings a écrit :

One of the things that the nvidia driver adds is nouveau.modeset=0
rdblacklist=nouveau to the kernel arguments.  Do you see them?  I
know that we saw the kernel panic when the nouveau driver was loaded
on a el6.6 system with an NVidia K620, so perhaps when you brought in
X11 you also installed the nouveau drivers?


One thing I did this time was to make sure there weren't any 
incompatible drivers (like 'nouveau') installed *before* actually 
installing and configuring kmod-nvidia. Now everything works as expected.


I can't be sure 100 %, but I think this was the culprit.

Cheers,

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Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote:

 errr, I meant,   sftp, not rscp


 Heh.. yeah. But the client isn't gonna go for that. LOL. Any way to allow
 regular ol' FTP using SELinux? Or does that just defeat the purpose of
 having a secure SELlinux server entirely?

What is the context here?   The big problem with ftp is that it passes
the user credentials in the clear. There is nothing particularly wrong
with an anonymous ftp download area where the files are put in place
with something more secure - but it is usually easier to use http for
that and you'll have less trouble with firewalls.

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Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 2, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 errr, I meant,   sftp, not rscp
 
 But the client isn't gonna go for that. LOL.

Why not?

SFTP clients are now as readily available as FTP clients.

Unless you’re going to tell me it needs to be done from a box you absolutely 
positively cannot install any new software on, I simply don’t believe that you 
cannot use anything but FTP.

 Or does that just defeat the purpose of
 having a secure SELlinux server entirely?

Not exactly, but it fights the same set of goals that SELinux was created to 
support.

The point of SELinux is to erect walls that prevent a lesser breach from 
turning into a total breach of the system’s security.  Allowing FTP doesn’t 
prevent SELinux from working.

If FTP exposes one of your user’s passwords to the wide world, *theoretically* 
that means you have done nothing worse than providing unauthorized users access 
to that user’s account.

(Not that that isn’t bad enough.)

Unfortunately, local root-escalation exploits pop up from time to time which 
allow anyone with a login on that box to turn themselves into superuser, which 
allows them to defeat SELinux.

Incidentally, it is possible to configure SSH to allow SFTP but not interactive 
logins.  You should also chroot SFTP users.  This thread seems to have the 
details you need:

  https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2080

By doing that, even a bad user who gives away their login credentials to a bad 
actor isn’t opening you to a risk of a local root escalation exploit.
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Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  errr, I meant,   sftp, not rscp
 
 
  Heh.. yeah. But the client isn't gonna go for that. LOL. Any way to allow
  regular ol' FTP using SELinux? Or does that just defeat the purpose of
  having a secure SELlinux server entirely?

 What is the context here?   The big problem with ftp is that it passes
 the user credentials in the clear. There is nothing particularly wrong
 with an anonymous ftp download area where the files are put in place
 with something more secure - but it is usually easier to use http for
 that and you'll have less trouble with firewalls.

 --
Les Mikesell
   lesmikes...@gmail.com



Enough about FTP vs SFTP.  This is exactly the kind of unhelpful discussion
that I was referring to last month about the conversations on this list.
CentOS is an *enterprise* distribution and as such it would be expected
that people are either bound by corporate restrictions, or have some other
requirements that you're not aware of.  A single helpful comment reminding
someone that they should be using SFTP instead of FTP is the only
appropriate thing to be saying here, not this dead-horse-beating.

So to actually address the stated problem... I don't know about proftpd,
but there's a page here that discusses getting it working with selinux:
http://selinuxproject.org/page/FTPRecipes
and I'm sure that clicking this link will lead you to other helpful
documents:
https://www.google.com/search?q=proftpd+selinux+centos+7

It does require that you have an understanding of selinux, and are not just
looking for a magic incantation to make it work.  You can look at the audit
log in /var/log/audit to get an idea of what is failing, and also the
'audit2why' and 'audit2allow' commands can help to suggest what selinux
settings need to be changed or are getting in the way.


P.S. FTP is not secure, so you should try to use SFTP if you are able to
influence the requirements.

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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Peter
On 03/04/2015 08:12 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 My question is simply: Does one require a separate cert for dovecot?

Dovecot does not care if you use the same cert for other applications.

Your question is missing the point, others are trying to tell you that
the real issue is that the cert was not created properly for the
hostname that the IMAP clients are connecting to.  This has nothing to
do with sharing the certificate with other applications.

I use the same cert for dovecot, postfix and apache.  They are all
individually happy with this single cert, but they all use the same
hostname to connect (mail.example.com) and so can have the same commonname.


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[CentOS] Apologies for the late replies

2015-03-03 Thread m . roth
*sigh* There seems to have been a problem with my hosting provider's
mailqueues this morning. As in, I called, and told them, and no one had
reported it, and I even got an actual trouble ticket g So, I'm
assuming they just figured it out. I sent the one on the cert, and the
other, before 11:00 this morning

Sorry to post-add to the conversation.

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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread m . roth
i...@microlinux.fr wrote:

 I just had the weirdest of system crashed. Here goes.

 I wanted to install a desktop step by step, as I usually do. First the
 base system, then the X Window System, then the WindowMaker window
 manager. Everything went OK, then I installed kmod-nvidia from ELRepo.
 Yum informed me that the driver conflicted with x11-glamor (something
 like that), so I removed the corresponding package.

That would be the openGL libraries. kmod-nvidia will install its own.

 While doing all this, the system still defaulted to boot in console mode
 (meaning multi-user.target and not graphical.target). To test X, I just
 launched WindowMaker using startx.

 Anyway, I rebooted, and then... nothing. System refused even to startup,
 and systemd suggested to me that I open journalctl (which taught me
 nothing).

I'm a tad confused: you say nothing, and that system refused to startup,
but systemd is talking. Where is it in the bootup? What happens if you
edit the grub kernel line one time, to s, so that it boots to single user
mode?
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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread m . roth
Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Jason Pyeron wrote:

 I'm getting endless complaints about my dovecot cert,

 Exact message please?

 The certificate does not apply to the given host

This one indicates, I believe, that when you created the certs, you didn't
use the hostname of the system that you're running now, or maybe that it
wants either the FQDN, or the shortname, and it's finding the opposite.

 The certificate is not signed by any trusted certificate authority
snip
This one will always be there, since you're not a root c/a.

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Re: [CentOS] dhclient.conf

2015-03-03 Thread Ashish Yadav
Hi,

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Pol Hallen cento...@fuckaround.org wrote:

 Hi all :-)

 on centos 6 I need keep the hostname from a dhcp server:

 cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

 DEVICE=eth0
 HWADDR=00:50:56:27:0E:C8
 TYPE=Ethernet
 UUID=20924b21-e92a-4944-a054-06d1967155c1
 ONBOOT=yes
 NM_CONTROLLED=yes
 BOOTPROTO=dhcp
 PEERDNS=yes

 with this config, centos keep only ip from dhcp server (not gw, not dns)

 where is dhclient.conf? I need to create it? If yes, where're the default
 options?


In DHCP server all this parameters (like DNS, GW, Netmask) have to be
configure first. if you want to set the default options
for GW and DNS then please do the changes in DHCP server like below.

Here is the example of dhcpd.conf file,

#
#   DHCP Server Config File
#
ddns-update-style none;
ignore client-updates;

lease-file-name /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases;
authoritative;

option domain-name  example.com;
default-lease-time  86400;   # 24 hours
max-lease-time  172800;  # 48 hours

subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
option routers  192.168.1.1;
option subnet-mask  255.255.255.0;
option broadcast-address192.168.1.255;
option domain-name-servers  192.168.1.1;
option ntp-servers  192.168.1.1;
range   192.168.1.101   192.168.1.200;
}

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Re: [CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Peter wrote:

 On 03/04/2015 08:12 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 My question is simply: Does one require a separate cert for dovecot?
 
 Dovecot does not care if you use the same cert for other applications.

Thank you, that was my question.

 Your question is missing the point, others are trying to tell you that
 the real issue is that the cert was not created properly for the
 hostname that the IMAP clients are connecting to.  This has nothing to
 do with sharing the certificate with other applications.

I don't really care what is wrong with it, if I can do without it.
I'm using the /etc/pki/tls/ cert and key in dovecot now,
and they seem to work fine.

Incidentally, I created the /etc/pki/dovecot/ cert and key years ago,
and never got this flood of warning messages until recently.

If in fact it is unnecessary to create a special cert and key for dovecot
it seems to me remiss not to say this in the dovecot installation doc.

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Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 3, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Brian Mathis brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com 
wrote:
 
 people are bound by corporate restrictions

That seems like an awfully convenient rug to sweep problems under.

Can’t fix a security problem?  Corporate restrictions!

Can’t require sensible security defaults restrictions by default?  Corporate 
restrictions!

Can’t move off IE6?  Corporate restrictions!

This seems like code for “We’d really rather computing in 2015 worked like 
computing in 1995.”

I’d say this continued “dead horse beating” is helpful.  No one should come 
away from proposing a solution based on FTP in 2015 without being chastised for 
it.
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Re: [CentOS] install latest gcc/g++ dev tools on centos

2015-03-03 Thread Wang Wei

yum install gcc
yum install gcc-c++
在 2015年02月23日 08:22, Adekoya Adekunle 写道:

Guys,

How can I install the latest version of gcc/g++ development tools on my
centos ?

I have version 4.1.* on the machine.

Can I do above from yum ?

I would be glad to read your responses to my questions

Br

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Re: [CentOS] install latest gcc/g++ dev tools on centos

2015-03-03 Thread John R Pierce

On 2/22/2015 4:22 PM, Adekoya Adekunle wrote:

How can I install the latest version of gcc/g++ development tools on my
centos ?
I have version 4.1.* on the machine.


centos 6 cames with gcc 4.4.7, centos 7 uses 4.8.2.yum update should 
get you the latest supported release.


what version of centos do you have?   gcc 4.1 is fairly old (2006-2007)

if you need newer versions of gcc and support than your version of 
CentOS supports, the only way to get them woujld be to build your own in 
to run in  an alternate directory, such as /usr/local/gcc49, rather than 
replace the standard versions, otherwise you'll likely break things that 
depend on the standard version for your OS..





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[CentOS] dhclient.conf

2015-03-03 Thread Pol Hallen

Hi all :-)

on centos 6 I need keep the hostname from a dhcp server:

cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

DEVICE=eth0
HWADDR=00:50:56:27:0E:C8
TYPE=Ethernet
UUID=20924b21-e92a-4944-a054-06d1967155c1
ONBOOT=yes
NM_CONTROLLED=yes
BOOTPROTO=dhcp
PEERDNS=yes

with this config, centos keep only ip from dhcp server (not gw, not dns)

where is dhclient.conf? I need to create it? If yes, where're the 
default options?


thanks for help!

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Re: [CentOS] install latest gcc/g++ dev tools on centos

2015-03-03 Thread John R Pierce

On 3/3/2015 4:13 PM, John R Pierce wrote:

On 2/22/2015 4:22 PM, Adekoya Adekunle wrote:

How can I install the latest version of gcc/g++ development tools on my
centos ?
I have version 4.1.* on the machine.


centos 6 cames with gcc 4.4.7, centos 7 uses 4.8.2.yum update 
should get you the latest supported release.


what version of centos do you have?   gcc 4.1 is fairly old (2006-2007)

if you need newer versions of gcc and support than your version of 
CentOS supports, the only way to get them woujld be to build your own 
in to run in  an alternate directory, such as /usr/local/gcc49, rather 
than replace the standard versions, otherwise you'll likely break 
things that depend on the standard version for your OS.. 


ok, gcc 4.1.2 was bundled with CentOS 5 (I forgot I had one centos 5 
legacy test/dev system left alive)... you can yum install gcc44 
gcc44-c++ to get 4.4.7, is that new enough?   note this installs the 
compiler as /usr/bin/gcc44 and g++44 so you'll need to update any of 
your build scripts to specify gcc44 and/or g++44 to use this newer version.




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Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread SilverTip257
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Eero Volotinen eero.voloti...@iki.fi
wrote:

 2015-03-03 0:43 GMT+02:00 Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com:

  
   errr, I meant,   sftp, not rscp
 
 
  Heh.. yeah. But the client isn't gonna go for that. LOL. Any way to allow
  regular ol' FTP using SELinux? Or does that just defeat the purpose of
  having a secure SELlinux server entirely?
 

 FTP is not safe as it does not encrypt username(s) and password(s) or
 traffic during transfer.


I'd choose SSH for my own users.
And for customers if proper steps are taken to prevent any interactive
shells (it's even dicier with shared hosting).



 RHEL/Centos provides SELinux booleans and settings at least for vsftpd
 (very secure ftpd). Please use it, if possible.


Use FTPS protocol?
http://wiki.vpslink.com/Configuring_vsftpd_for_secure_connections_(TLS/SSL/SFTP)


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Re: [CentOS] disk space trouble on ec2 instance

2015-03-03 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 1, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe a little unconventional, but at least it got the job done.

Adding disks is unconventional in the physical server world because it has a 
minimum base cost and you eventually run out of disk bays in the chassis.  You 
quickly hit practical limits.

In the VM world, you’re just creating yet another a large-ish file inside a 
much larger pool of storage.

The only problem I can think of from doing this is that it means you’re fooling 
the OS into believing it has multiple disks that it can access in parallel when 
in reality accesses to both will cause the same set of disk arms to be seeking 
back and forth, tripping each other up.

This is no worse in practice than using partitions instead of separate physical 
volumes, however.
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Re: [CentOS] Strange crash after NVidia driver installation from ELRepo

2015-03-03 Thread Scott Robbins
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 05:08:10PM +0100, i...@microlinux.fr wrote:
 Le 03.03.2015 17:00, Steve Thompson a écrit :
 On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, i...@microlinux.fr wrote:
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 There are multiple nvidia drivers in Elrepo, depending on the model of
 video card. Install and run nvidia-detect to find out which driver you
 need; just installing the kmod-nvidia package is not guaranteed to
 give you a working driver.
 
 I used nvidia-detect, and installed kmod-nvidia. Even then, the
 previous installation ran kmod-nvidia with success on twin monitors.

This might have to do with the NVidia update, explained on the elrepo
pages.

http://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia

You may have an older card that will require the 340xx versions of the
various NVidia tools.

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[CentOS] Amanda Testing RPMs

2015-03-03 Thread Johnny Hughes
It was noted in CentOS Bug 7795 that the amanda package in CentOS does
not have dump or xfsdump support:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7795

I found that it is also like this upstream and they plan to fix it at
some point:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1140321

In the mean time, I have created 2 sets of RPMs .. one with dump support
and one with dump and xfsdump support:

Dump Only:
http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/c7-amanda/dump-only/

Dump and XFSDump:
http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/c7-amanda/xfs-support/

If we can get some people who actually use amanda to check these files
and feedback into the CentOS Bug (7795 link above), we might help the
RHEL team with deciding how to compile the fix (with dump only or dump
and xfsdump support).  Please feedback to the CentOS-Devel mailing list
or bug 7795.

NOTE:  These RPMs should work, but they are not signed and should be
considered testing quality at present .. so not production ready without
user testing at this point.

Thanks,
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[CentOS] Custom user profile for GNOME 3?

2015-03-03 Thread Niki Kovacs

Hi,

I wonder where - and eventually how - GNOME 3 stores its user 
preferences. I'd like to create a custom user profile, with slightly 
different settings than the default ones:


* don't show home folder on ~/Desktop
* don't show Trash
* use custom default wallpaper
* stretch wallpaper instead of zooming
* use different default icon theme
* etc.

Until now I've done this successfully with desktop environments like 
GNOME 2, Xfce or KDE. I just copied over the relevant files from 
~/.config, ~/.kde4 (IIRC), ~/.gconf or whatever to /etc/skel, and newly 
created users had their settings ready.


Anybody knows how I can manage this with GNOME 3?

Cheers,

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Today's Topics:

   1. CEBA-2015:0273  CentOS 6 ksh BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes)
   2. CEBA-2015:0274  CentOS 6 ruby BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes)
   3. CEEA-2015:0277 CentOS 6 cyrus-imapd Enhancement   Update
  (Johnny Hughes)
   4. CEEA-2015:0275 CentOS 5 cyrus-imapd Enhancement   Update
  (Johnny Hughes)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:21:48 +
From: Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2015:0273  CentOS 6 ksh BugFix Update
Message-ID: 20150302122148.ga32...@n04.lon1.karan.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2015:0273 

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2015-0273.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
1b18a7ba2e3dfd59515f0d722a92cf970474bb1d4b4be5014bbd30050f90c5a4  
ksh-20120801-21.el6_6.2.i686.rpm

x86_64:
b7fa412e41427c37a6bc017787ba5904bceee292e9e583b4b53f67353e43dff6  
ksh-20120801-21.el6_6.2.x86_64.rpm

Source:
fd62e15f6e729922a78ed7c883041dc2267ce380fabd25575c5d467d033d5043  
ksh-20120801-21.el6_6.2.src.rpm



-- 
Johnny Hughes
CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ }
irc: hughesjr, #cen...@irc.freenode.net



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:22:15 +
From: Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2015:0274  CentOS 6 ruby BugFix Update
Message-ID: 20150302122215.ga32...@n04.lon1.karan.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2015:0274 

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2015-0274.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
71234f9406eca6a41884cbaaff642485e10e0a031e300e1d054453e9cfb14ff8  
ruby-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
b3163be4b0290781509741fe40c3f31d590507101a8a49a874f52cc3481ebb0b  
ruby-devel-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
ed32c82f71478c9ff251d81d48db568b90371e067b67090dc611018a80cdc32b  
ruby-docs-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
f074916f420a394ff4f6e102dfbd0264896630817e70c25ae122cb4662b25cc5  
ruby-irb-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
99c696d220f88578b9ac908c52d7c7d50fc1cde62f5b90beaff61a2cabb7d55b  
ruby-libs-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
95043fecd149c116e7596fecdef5765e2518f38e56f192b73d5d7435acd3951a  
ruby-rdoc-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
3e070909710e9329b92b570c6128057122d2b1c04a97a62a8ac8a47bc9e79ed7  
ruby-ri-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
1d80cda61fc8cd6f4d65ce605197b71ed8d774d5006c702bee281988203636fb  
ruby-static-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
bee5cf1fd558d263b3cafff8c1d28abf2fdfb64f84cf552002e2b30dce443f29  
ruby-tcltk-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm

x86_64:
760db1ec22721384125263dc7d4f8f5e74d6d6cb1867659e17e6a8fdbc5726b2  
ruby-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
b3163be4b0290781509741fe40c3f31d590507101a8a49a874f52cc3481ebb0b  
ruby-devel-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
0821dea5d7e3d79c9b8faa01275706d411f61a846bc78d94e305da06f46d6585  
ruby-devel-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
542442bc6e620e6c11bd0ea9a49c0e1dc7e16ac57a0b76bd1f8b1543e43b0c1a  
ruby-docs-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
e04c1fc17afdfd29e1e23d788c47715894b553cc90318e4146d3d93d65a0cf3a  
ruby-irb-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
99c696d220f88578b9ac908c52d7c7d50fc1cde62f5b90beaff61a2cabb7d55b  
ruby-libs-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.i686.rpm
b473a43d5c201bf9706ab1cbe2d6ef0fc1a6042295e20753d8307326b2fce116  
ruby-libs-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
93b3e1baf539d598efe1a1ab094e6718d10472947086ca7e89638615c8b57dbd  
ruby-rdoc-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
f2d677239f26999f710bb228e57525a64ab0b95f3b9ec2e384daa1b5b1569a26  
ruby-ri-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
e5cd12caa438960187e3c724592de30ff80cc9e14ebf9b3c5a0fe3ab9550ff6d  
ruby-static-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm
9dbe206d541870495944580e18247031fc0873f33b2711d19aa2ccaaed1b559c  
ruby-tcltk-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.x86_64.rpm

Source:
d59e8ddea5341b50b411253dd5b5c9975038a9b880a12d9675ebb4b7b71ec8e1  
ruby-1.8.7.374-4.el6_6.src.rpm



-- 
Johnny Hughes
CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ }
irc: hughesjr, #cen...@irc.freenode.net



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:23:00 +
From: Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEEA-2015:0277 CentOS 6 cyrus-imapd
Enhancement Update
Message-ID: 

[CentOS] Ignorant question on SSL certs

2015-03-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
I'm getting endless complaints about my dovecot cert,
/etc/pki/dovecot/certs/dovecot.pem
which I created years ago following the dovecot instructions.

Do I really have to use a separate cert and key for dovecot?
Can I not use the standard cert in /etc/pki/tls/certs (and key)
from CACert.org ?

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin


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