Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

2016-12-20 Thread Sorin Srbu
> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 19 december 2016 17:29
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> 
> On Mon, December 19, 2016 12:41 am, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of
> >> geo.inbox.ignored
> >> Sent: den 16 december 2016 15:03
> >> To: centos@centos.org
> >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/16/2016 07:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >> > On Fri, December 16, 2016 4:15 am, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
> >> <<>>
> >>
> >> >> btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev  >> department
> >> >> is near what you had marked on chigo map.
> >> >
> >> > I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)
> >> >
> >> }}
> >>
> >> aware that Valeri is 'both ways'. 8=)
> >>
> >> did not know which way you are. ;=)
> >>
> >> some with weird names are weirder than their names. in many ways.
> >
> > You guys are just hillarious... X-D
> 
> Believe it or not: just the other day I saw _your_ spelling of the word
> hilarious: hillarious - implying "voted for "Hillary" ;-)
> 
> Valeri (in attempt to stay hilarious)

I apologise, no politics were intended!
FWIW, English is not my native language, and I tend to add letters following
the spelling rules of my own native language out of habit or figuring I'm
doing it right using UK English (which is what I learned in school). :-)


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Re: [CentOS-virt] Upstream libvirt releases for Virt-SIG

2016-12-20 Thread Sandro Bonazzola
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 4:35 AM, George Dunlap 
wrote:

>
> > On Dec 6, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Sandro Bonazzola 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Jiri Denemark 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I talked to our oVirt developers who use CentOS for upstream
> > development. And that's what makes their lives hard because it takes a
> > long time before they can start using new features of libvirt. The
> > latest released CentOS version is 7.2 with libvirt 1.2.17, which is
> > pretty old. But even when CentOS 7.3 with libvirt 2.0.0 gets released,
> > it will already be old since libvirt 2.5.0 is just about to be released
> > upstream.
> >
> > So to help them, I'd like to start building upstream releases of libvirt
> > for Virt-SIG. As one of the core libvirt developers and a maintainer of
> > libvirt in RHEL I think I should be qualified enough to do so :-) The
> > goal is to take every upstream release of libvirt soon after it's been
> > released and rebase the current CentOS package on top of it.
> >
> > If it sounds good to you, what should I do to get started?
> >
> > Sounds good to me, welcome aboard! My only concern is that libvirt is
> built also for xen so we need to ensure we don't break anything there.
> > +1 for me to have Jiri added to Virt SIG
>
> I would be really glad to have a shared libvirt between oVirt and Xen
> projects.  Are you planning on only building the most recent release, or on
> maintaining some older releases for some period of time?
>
>  -George


Jiri welcome aboard :-)
Please add yourself and your project to
https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Virtualization
To get more info about the build system please read:
https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CommunityBuildSystem
CentOS provides a jenkins instance running at https://ci.centos.org/ for
testing your builds.
Feel free ask here if you have any question.

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[CentOS] networkmanager VS OpenConnect VPN

2016-12-20 Thread Fred Smith
I have a VPN connection using the openconnect vpn, and it is managed by network 
manager. Works fine.

It has been on my system since the original Centos 7.x release.

Now that I have Centos 7.3, while it still works fine, I find that
I can no longer add a new connection using openconnect. I also find
that I am not allowed to edit the existing openconnect vpn definition.

attempting to create a new one lists only ipsec-based VPN as a choice,
along with "import a saved VPN configuration".

Attempting to edit the existing one pops up a little window that says:

Could not edit connection
Could not find VPN plugin for 'org.freedesktop.networkmanager.openconnect'.

yum says I have the following items installed:

yum list installed \*openconnect\*
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks, nvidia
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
 * base: centos.mirror.constant.com
 * elrepo: mirrors.evowise.com
 * epel: mirrors.mit.edu
 * extras: mirror.cc.columbia.edu
 * nux-dextop: mirror.li.nux.ro
 * updates: mirrors.advancedhosters.com
Installed Packages
NetworkManager-openconnect.x86_64  0.9.8.6-2.el7
   @epel
openconnect.x86_64 7.06-1.el7   
   @epel

this has worked for some long time, now, so what is wrong here? I don't think 
I"m
missing any packages, because "yum list available" doesn't find anything else
that seems to be needed, only -debuginfo and -devel.

Anyone got a clue for me?

thanks!

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Re: [CentOS] Looking for latest C7 kernel-plus SRPM

2016-12-20 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Ian Pilcher  wrote:
> Where can I find the SRPM for the latest C7 kernel-plus package, i.e.
> kernel-plus-3.10.0-514.2.2.el7.centos.plus.x86_64?
>
> http://vault.centos.org/7.3.1611/centosplus/Source/SPackages/ is empty.

It is there now.

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Re: [CentOS] firefox-45.6.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64 crashing... unusable

2016-12-20 Thread Leon Fauster

> Am 20.12.2016 um 14:36 schrieb Johnny Hughes :
> 
> On 12/20/2016 06:08 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2016-12-19, ken  wrote:
>>> Last night installed the latest, firefox-45.6.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64.  
>>> Fired it up this morning and within the first hour it's crashed three 
>>> times.  That comes to it being usable for about five minutes before it 
>>> crashes.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else getting this?
>> 
>> No such problems here.
>> 
>> I suggest you try testing firefox with any plugins and extensions
>> disabled. Failing that, try "refreshing" firefox[1].
>> 
>> Have you installed any packages from non-standard repos? I've had some
>> problems in the past with ffmpeg from the nux repo following a firefox
>> upgrade (problems which were promptly fixed by the maintainer of that
>> repo.)
>> 
> 
> WRT ffmpeg, we now have a centosplus version of firefox for CentOS-6 and
> CentOS-7 with ffmpeg enabled.

just out of curiosity; this ffmpeg support is statically build into firefox
and depends not on any library outside, right?

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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 03:30:13PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:07:03PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > If you wanted to change this, drop ProtectHome=false into
> > /etc/systemd/system/NetworkMananger.service.d/override.conf (possibly
> > by using sudo systemctl edit foo NetworkMananger).
> 
> Sorry, no "foo" — that was a cut-paste error. And as Jonathan says,
> make sure to spell NetworkManager right. :)
> 
>   sudo systemctl edit NetworkManager

I blame all the holiday cookies they leave in the break room.
Probably have rum in them or something.

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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:07:03PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> If you wanted to change this, drop ProtectHome=false into
> /etc/systemd/system/NetworkMananger.service.d/override.conf (possibly
> by using sudo systemctl edit foo NetworkMananger).

Sorry, no "foo" — that was a cut-paste error. And as Jonathan says,
make sure to spell NetworkManager right. :)

  sudo systemctl edit NetworkManager



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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 03:24:12PM -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManger.service.d/.  Otherwise, the next

Obviously spell it right when you do it.  :/

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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:20:57AM -0800, Glenn E. Bailey III wrote:
>
> Yup, verified those options are *not* set in 7.2. For a quick test I
> simply removed them from
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service, did a systemctl
> daemon-reload, restarted NetworkManager, logged back in as root, and
> was able to whack /home (7.3).

While that is a temporary solution, you should do what Matthew Miller
says to do, which is put in an override in
/etc/systemd/system/NetworkManger.service.d/.  Otherwise, the next
time your NM is updated it will be missing it.

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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Glenn E. Bailey III
Yup, verified those options are *not* set in 7.2. For a quick test I
simply removed them from
/usr/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service, did a systemctl
daemon-reload, restarted NetworkManager, logged back in as root, and
was able to whack /home (7.3).

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Matthew Miller  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:29:28PM -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>> The culprit?  NetworkManager has /home open.  I can't figure out
>> *WHY*.
>
> NetworkManager.service has 'ProtectHome=read-only', which keeps NM from
> writing there. I presume namespacing /home in this way counts against
> unmounting it. This is a good security protection for everyone running
> NM, so I can see it being worth the tradeoff vs. being able to move or
> remove /home on a live system.
>
> (It also has ProtectSystem=true, which mounts /usr and /boot read-only
> as well.)
>
> If you wanted to change this, drop ProtectHome=false into
> /etc/systemd/system/NetworkMananger.service.d/override.conf (possibly
> by using sudo systemctl edit foo NetworkMananger).
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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:29:28PM -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The culprit?  NetworkManager has /home open.  I can't figure out
> *WHY*.

NetworkManager.service has 'ProtectHome=read-only', which keeps NM from
writing there. I presume namespacing /home in this way counts against
unmounting it. This is a good security protection for everyone running
NM, so I can see it being worth the tradeoff vs. being able to move or
remove /home on a live system.

(It also has ProtectSystem=true, which mounts /usr and /boot read-only
as well.)

If you wanted to change this, drop ProtectHome=false into
/etc/systemd/system/NetworkMananger.service.d/override.conf (possibly
by using sudo systemctl edit foo NetworkMananger).

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Re: [CentOS] Can't delete or move /home on 7.3 install

2016-12-20 Thread Glenn E. Bailey III
Confirmed as well, thanks! What's really odd is I didn't see
*anything* having a lock on /home, nada, zilch. We have a work-around
in place for this but I was beating my head against the wall trying to
figure it out.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:17:21AM -0800, Glenn E. Bailey III wrote:
>> This is a base install. If you deploy an instance in ec2 or GCE (ec2
>> you can do the free tier) it's easily repeatable. Even on a RHEL 7.3
>> instance. Note you'll need to allow root and password logins via SSH
>> before attempting.
>
> I can confirm this.
>
> The culprit?  NetworkManager has /home open.  I can't figure out
> *WHY*.
>
> # systemctl start NetworkManager.service
> # rmdir /home
> rmdir: failed to remove ‘/home’: Device or resource busy
> # systemctl stop NetworkManager.service
> # rmdir /home
> rmdir: failed to remove ‘/home’: Device or resource busy
> # systemctl stop NetworkManager.service
> # rmdir /home
> rmdir: failed to remove ‘/home’: Device or resource busy
> # systemctl kill NetworkManager.service
> # rmdir /home
> rmdir: failed to remove ‘/home’: Device or resource busy
> # rmdir /home
>
> So it takes some time for all the parts of NetworkManager to die, but
> eventually, they do and you can remove /home.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't see any reason why /home would be in use by
> NM.   Very odd.
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Re: [CentOS] PulseAudio is streaming with an excessive latency.

2016-12-20 Thread Michael Hennebry

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016, Frank Cox wrote:


On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:40:33 -0600 (CST)
Michael Hennebry wrote:


Is it telling me something I should worry about?


You have never installed anything from nux before and it wants to give you the 
gpg key for that repo.

That's normal behaviour.


Thanks.

Now I have nux vlc.
It works now, I think.
One time I had trouble getting it to stop.
I closed the window, but the sound continued for several minutes.
The problem has not recurred.

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[CentOS-announce] CESA-2016:2962 Important CentOS 5 kernel Security Update

2016-12-20 Thread Johnny Hughes

CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2016:2962 Important

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2016-2962.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
5d69404633f8d2f60fc0e7d1a40ced26d37aa6c866da3ef1751ef82e389f7559  
kernel-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
1d6969390c8c5db3f957d8960f5f4cd6877c0972121876837d0a2e3a04c8d6c9  
kernel-debug-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
ef7d5666bcfd989c9a6dd89da70bf8559596d9623e192acce921f0588b30a15d  
kernel-debug-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
b90d63c5ec0525016b0de727badee246b4eb3f58fb65d7789f722eab46c12d4d  
kernel-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
c3121e0532cbc202c7c904089a431e4cc5d40212ea3c98ec1d53f66e38c3  
kernel-doc-2.6.18-417.el5.noarch.rpm
a398a0c9b51012edbbb81ed99fad1240cf894fcb15e9b94dc4a0f6720fbb837c  
kernel-headers-2.6.18-417.el5.i386.rpm
fe825154419eeea085da0bfbbd088fca9422a32ba5cdafb5b53a723dc2d2804d  
kernel-PAE-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
8f3f08be4c169e44c76a8307d21b52bd75b0f40fd5e4e35dc22a9547fc370250  
kernel-PAE-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
acfe2b503ffcf5fb99b25f38ece409b7b855de03bae5213e6ed303c977f66c67  
kernel-xen-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm
5ca41d3cfa9d440176099dcbf7e71671e38905bad6294d08b145327bfea98a0a  
kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.i686.rpm

x86_64:
0b49bdc656d4fa588bffb2a08db1f957218404a60330612637d977447fba543b  
kernel-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm
5c8630c73e0184d846cc1351acd49243c4fc705b6fb469e4c378db4a5ddf217c  
kernel-debug-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm
b11bad75570b914c42e5b975b6305c8d2b7c433e3ed88e5008c54993541f0539  
kernel-debug-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm
5a7631636c1117d114706d767c7fbef1f4254716df96455cc16570212d8a5f0d  
kernel-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm
c3121e0532cbc202c7c904089a431e4cc5d40212ea3c98ec1d53f66e38c3  
kernel-doc-2.6.18-417.el5.noarch.rpm
4a97652b4e507aa3b06a742b88a10f0de6aae540a33ba7f1ca3adfce40a3978c  
kernel-headers-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm
02df536f2152ce88bd30a43ebe2abd6111461d6120803670a188cd8b6522dfd5  
kernel-xen-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm
5998dfa81bc41200a4562c587f7b21b7a7f2ea421c928b9629ce32891ea79c72  
kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18-417.el5.x86_64.rpm

Source:
7c1e80ff58a493f262c48dc80ba53d3276064ab22b5a9eb4e02713a3107d25c0  
kernel-2.6.18-417.el5.src.rpm



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[CentOS-announce] CESA-2016:2963 Important CentOS 5 xen Security Update

2016-12-20 Thread Johnny Hughes

CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2016:2963 Important

Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2016-2963.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently 
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) 

i386:
2f13f1c8b55429e9ed1e4652cbcdf32f10b611fe329e7d5e8722bf4183cc6e55  
xen-3.0.3-148.el5_11.i386.rpm
b4628bbdf7ce77a94d18412ba19e40da9b52a8ccd7358242f613cb125e4d5dde  
xen-devel-3.0.3-148.el5_11.i386.rpm
6676dc198f1e20aaf3022ba7febc18e618538b7d61f1d7554e5154741ab8e86e  
xen-libs-3.0.3-148.el5_11.i386.rpm

x86_64:
7aebf9aa212e6289f89e28d9575a1ec83b319206d0ddda050f721fe19f1c0c04  
xen-3.0.3-148.el5_11.x86_64.rpm
b4628bbdf7ce77a94d18412ba19e40da9b52a8ccd7358242f613cb125e4d5dde  
xen-devel-3.0.3-148.el5_11.i386.rpm
10e915469aeaa3b177e939522cfe6c7ad8e4a3a90e2d2403b958f55798269a06  
xen-devel-3.0.3-148.el5_11.x86_64.rpm
6676dc198f1e20aaf3022ba7febc18e618538b7d61f1d7554e5154741ab8e86e  
xen-libs-3.0.3-148.el5_11.i386.rpm
10711bb93f87c94e0933c5ad0f468f162471d4104b499bffe1313bb344ecdbb7  
xen-libs-3.0.3-148.el5_11.x86_64.rpm

Source:
e09c3f66be0c6abb4935124d828bc50b256215451fcb3d9f673d790f298f2701  
xen-3.0.3-148.el5_11.src.rpm



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Re: [CentOS] PulseAudio is streaming with an excessive latency.

2016-12-20 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:40:33 -0600 (CST)
Michael Hennebry wrote:

> Is it telling me something I should worry about?

You have never installed anything from nux before and it wants to give you the 
gpg key for that repo.

That's normal behaviour. 

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Re: [CentOS] PulseAudio is streaming with an excessive latency.

2016-12-20 Thread Michael Hennebry

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016, John R Pierce wrote:

before switching to Nux, I would take note of, and uninstall any rpmfusion 
packages, then remove the rpmfusion repo, install the nux repo, and install 
the nux versions of the packages you want.



From yum:

Downloading Packages:
...

Total   277 kB/s |  22 MB 01:21 
warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V4 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 85c6cd8a: NOKEY

Retrieving key from file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-nux.ro
Importing GPG key 0x85C6CD8A:
 Userid : Nux.Ro (rpm builder) 
 Package: nux-dextop-release-0-2.el6.nux.noarch (installed)
 From   : /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-nux.ro
Is this ok [y/N]:

Is it telling me something I should worry about?

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Re: [CentOS] firefox-45.6.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64 crashing... unusable

2016-12-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/20/2016 06:08 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2016-12-19, ken  wrote:
>> Last night installed the latest, firefox-45.6.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64.  
>> Fired it up this morning and within the first hour it's crashed three 
>> times.  That comes to it being usable for about five minutes before it 
>> crashes.
>>
>> Anyone else getting this?
> 
> No such problems here.
> 
> I suggest you try testing firefox with any plugins and extensions
> disabled. Failing that, try "refreshing" firefox[1].
> 
> Have you installed any packages from non-standard repos? I've had some
> problems in the past with ffmpeg from the nux repo following a firefox
> upgrade (problems which were promptly fixed by the maintainer of that
> repo.)
>

WRT ffmpeg, we now have a centosplus version of firefox for CentOS-6 and
CentOS-7 with ffmpeg enabled.

> 1:
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
> 





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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

2016-12-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/15/2016 11:23 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:
> I think most of the market is moving towards AWS Elastic Beanstalk,
> OpenShift and Docker. It seems control panels are not really much of a
> thing anymore.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrew

You are talking about 2 different market segments.

End user single server setups need something making it easy for non-IT
and non 'server' savvy users to control their individually maintained
machines.  These users want and need some kind of control panel to
control their machine.  They need it regardless of how they are getting
their individual machines, and whether those are Bare Metal, Virtual
Machines, or even containers.  cPanel is (IMHO) the best thing for these
non computer savvy users.

The things you mention are indeed the way most organizations who have a
professional IT staff are moving.






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Re: [CentOS] firefox-45.6.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64 crashing... unusable

2016-12-20 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2016-12-19, ken  wrote:
> Last night installed the latest, firefox-45.6.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64.  
> Fired it up this morning and within the first hour it's crashed three 
> times.  That comes to it being usable for about five minutes before it 
> crashes.
>
> Anyone else getting this?

No such problems here.

I suggest you try testing firefox with any plugins and extensions
disabled. Failing that, try "refreshing" firefox[1].

Have you installed any packages from non-standard repos? I've had some
problems in the past with ffmpeg from the nux repo following a firefox
upgrade (problems which were promptly fixed by the maintainer of that
repo.)

1:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 and systemd: SysV initscript: how detect boot vs. interactive use?

2016-12-20 Thread whitivery
Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

>On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 08:50:54PM -0800, whitivery wrote:
>> It is a system with several servers (various platforms/distros).
>> 
>> One piece of software runs on all of the servers.  For it to operate
>> correctly, the instance on one server (prime) must start before the others
>> (auxiliary).
>> 
>> So a boot delay is added (via a script sourced from initscript, which
>> first waits for network to come up) to set the boot delay values for each
>> server - prime at 0, others at some other value of 15 to 110 seconds
>> depending on platform.
>> 
>> But when it is necessary to manipulate the service interactively via the
>> "service" command, the boot delay needs to be bypassed.
>
>Well, the first thing I'd do is make the service wait for the network
>to be online.  In the [Unit] section add Wants=network-online.target.
>
>Secondly, I'd try to find a way for the auxiliary services to ping the
>prime service to ensure its up, and make that script a ExecStartPre
>entry in the [Service] section.  You'll want to adjust the
>TimeoutStartSec in case it might exceed the DefaultTimeoutStartSec in
>/etc/systemd/system.conf, which is 90 seconds.

Thank you for the idea, but as mentioned, the same service runs on a mix
of server platforms and distros, and the older ones do not use systemd, so
I'd prefer to stick with SysV type initscripts that work on all of them.


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