Re: [CentOS] video driver for NVIDIA Quadro
On 4/9/21 9:24 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/7/21 6:44 PM, R C wrote: Hello, I am running Centos/RHEL 8 on a Dell precision M6800/6700 with a: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] Is there a driver for that one? or am I stuck with nouveaux ? The kernel included in CentOS-8 (the last time I tested it), did not properly build and run the proprietary NVIDIA drivers .. neither did the same kernel in RHEL. What I did was shift my workstation install to the elrepo kernel-ml kernels (you might want kernel-lt .. it is latest long term kernel). I can then build the latest NVIDIA drivers for my graphics card and use them. http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-ml http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-lt I have no issues using the elrepo kernels .. those guys and gals are outstanding. All the stuff they do is great. My card is a 1080ti .. so I have not tried building for Quadro 3100M .. but if NVIDIA has a linux driver for that, then it should build using the elrepo kernels. I was able to build/compile the drivers with NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-460.73.01.run on 4.18.0-240.22.1.el8_3.x86_64, it gave me a warning about pkcfg, but no other warnings/errors and seem to install, however, after booting it still didn't use that driver, but the nouveau one Phil Perry can tell us if the NVIDIA drivers they carry actually now work for EL8 .. i stopped trying it after I switched kernels as they don't carry drivers on elrepo for the kernel-ml or kernel-lt and I just rebuild the official NVIDIA drivers manually after every kernel update. Thanks, Johnny Hughes ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] video driver for NVIDIA Quadro
@Johnny Hughes- what version of the nVidia drivers did you have problems with, and what were the problems? I'm just curious. I have a Latitude E7450 with an M840 chipset and I've never had problems compiling or getting them to work under stock CentOS 8 kernels. On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:54 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 4/9/21 11:43 AM, Phil Perry wrote: > > On 09/04/2021 16:40, R C wrote: > >> > >> On 4/9/21 9:24 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >>> On 4/7/21 6:44 PM, R C wrote: > Hello, > > > I am running Centos/RHEL 8 on a Dell precision M6800/6700 with a: > NVIDIA > Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] > > > Is there a driver for that one? or am I stuck with nouveaux ? > > >>> The kernel included in CentOS-8 (the last time I tested it), did not > >>> properly build and run the proprietary NVIDIA drivers .. neither did > the > >>> same kernel in RHEL. > >> > >> I found out, trying to install the driver, the NVIDIA installer was > >> complaining. (I was pointed to where the latest driver for it was, by > >> Nvidia (which surprised me a bit that they were still maintaining it > >> actually, at least it's the impression I have) > >> > > > > The GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] _should_ be supported by the latest NVIDIA > > driver (currently v460.67) on el8. I say _should_ as I'm not 100% sure. > > I'm assuming your device is as below (check the device IDs with 'pci > -nn'): > > > > [10de:11b6] NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] > > > > That device was previously listed as supported: > > > > > https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/410.66/README/supportedchips.html > > > > > > but I can't find it listed on the currently supported chipset's page, > > hence my doubt: > > > > > https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/460.67/README/supportedchips.html > > > > > > I'd be interested to know which driver version NVIDIA pointed you > towards? > > > >>> > >>> What I did was shift my workstation install to the elrepo kernel-ml > >>> kernels (you might want kernel-lt .. it is latest long term kernel). I > >>> can then build the latest NVIDIA drivers for my graphics card and use > >>> them. > >>> > >>> http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-ml > >>> http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-lt > >>> > >>> I have no issues using the elrepo kernels .. those guys and gals are > >>> outstanding. All the stuff they do is great. > >>> > >>> My card is a 1080ti .. so I have not tried building for Quadro 3100M .. > >>> but if NVIDIA has a linux driver for that, then it should build using > >>> the elrepo kernels. > >>> > >>> Phil Perry can tell us if the NVIDIA drivers they carry actually now > >>> work for EL8 .. i stopped trying it after I switched kernels as they > >>> don't carry drivers on elrepo for the kernel-ml or kernel-lt and I just > >>> rebuild the official NVIDIA drivers manually after every kernel update. > >> > >> That was sort of my plan, to see and wait if things would work with > >> later kernels. Fr now my desktop seems to be working ok-ish. When my > >> desktop is up for over 10-12 hrs, there seem to be some flickering, > >> windows that 'switch' focus etc, and at times the gnome desktop flat > >> out crashes (the machine keeps running, but no gnome. > >> > > > > Assuming it is supported by the latest v460.67 driver, and the above > > omission is a mistake, ELRepo have a driver (kmod-nvidia) which should > > work with the el8 distro kernel. > > > > As Johnny says above, if you use a different kernel, such as those from > > elrepo, you will need to install the driver directly from NVIDIA. > > > > Thanks Phil. > > I MIGHT try shifting back to the main CentOS kernel and see if they have > fixed the issue I was having loading NVIDIA drivers. If I ever have any > spare time on my hands :) > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): > > A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it > doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to > really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my reading though) > > B. "CentOS is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" statement is > not true as far as new releases are concerned, i.e. not true to build > one's future on it > > > > But as everyone is agreed it is counter productive to ponder these > things, I will end my side of it by reiterating: > As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. In fact at 8.4 release .. Stream is very similar t0 RHEL 8.4 with NO WAITING. CentOS Linux 8 getting upgraded to the 8.4 source code, tested, isos created, etc .. will take a month or so, Stream already has all that content in it RIGHT NOW. I think that is a positive , not a negative. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] video driver for NVIDIA Quadro
On 4/29/21 9:17 AM, Joshua Kramer wrote: @Johnny Hughes- what version of the nVidia drivers did you have problems with, and what were the problems? I'm just curious. I have a Latitude E7450 with an M840 chipset and I've never had problems compiling or getting them to work under stock CentOS 8 kernels. well I have a Dell Precision M6800/M6700 with NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] (rev a1) cards (but will try again later, I probably forgot to disable nouveau) On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:54 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/9/21 11:43 AM, Phil Perry wrote: On 09/04/2021 16:40, R C wrote: On 4/9/21 9:24 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/7/21 6:44 PM, R C wrote: Hello, I am running Centos/RHEL 8 on a Dell precision M6800/6700 with a: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] Is there a driver for that one? or am I stuck with nouveaux ? The kernel included in CentOS-8 (the last time I tested it), did not properly build and run the proprietary NVIDIA drivers .. neither did the same kernel in RHEL. I found out, trying to install the driver, the NVIDIA installer was complaining. (I was pointed to where the latest driver for it was, by Nvidia (which surprised me a bit that they were still maintaining it actually, at least it's the impression I have) The GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] _should_ be supported by the latest NVIDIA driver (currently v460.67) on el8. I say _should_ as I'm not 100% sure. I'm assuming your device is as below (check the device IDs with 'pci -nn'): [10de:11b6] NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K3100M] That device was previously listed as supported: https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/410.66/README/supportedchips.html but I can't find it listed on the currently supported chipset's page, hence my doubt: https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/460.67/README/supportedchips.html I'd be interested to know which driver version NVIDIA pointed you towards? What I did was shift my workstation install to the elrepo kernel-ml kernels (you might want kernel-lt .. it is latest long term kernel). I can then build the latest NVIDIA drivers for my graphics card and use them. http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-ml http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-lt I have no issues using the elrepo kernels .. those guys and gals are outstanding. All the stuff they do is great. My card is a 1080ti .. so I have not tried building for Quadro 3100M .. but if NVIDIA has a linux driver for that, then it should build using the elrepo kernels. Phil Perry can tell us if the NVIDIA drivers they carry actually now work for EL8 .. i stopped trying it after I switched kernels as they don't carry drivers on elrepo for the kernel-ml or kernel-lt and I just rebuild the official NVIDIA drivers manually after every kernel update. That was sort of my plan, to see and wait if things would work with later kernels. Fr now my desktop seems to be working ok-ish. When my desktop is up for over 10-12 hrs, there seem to be some flickering, windows that 'switch' focus etc, and at times the gnome desktop flat out crashes (the machine keeps running, but no gnome. Assuming it is supported by the latest v460.67 driver, and the above omission is a mistake, ELRepo have a driver (kmod-nvidia) which should work with the el8 distro kernel. As Johnny says above, if you use a different kernel, such as those from elrepo, you will need to install the driver directly from NVIDIA. Thanks Phil. I MIGHT try shifting back to the main CentOS kernel and see if they have fixed the issue I was having loading NVIDIA drivers. If I ever have any spare time on my hands :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/28/21 6:01 PM, Phil Perry wrote: > On 28/04/2021 23:28, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:32, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> >>> You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between >>> Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find >>> many differences between RHEL 8.2 and RHEL 8.3, for example. >>> >>> Are there some differences? Sure. >>> >>> If people don't want stream, then by all means , use something else. >> >> This is true within the narrow scope of just CentOS/RHEL, but if, for >> example, you rely on ELrepo for kmods for hardware that Red Hat >> dropped support for, you’ll be sadly unable to use those kmods on >> Stream (elrepo isn’t supporting Stream[1]). >> >> There will also be inconsistencies with other third party repos and >> commercial software that focus exclusively on RHEL when Stream gets >> major version bumps ahead of RHEL. Certainly it will be an opportunity >> for those vendors to get their product working on Stream, so they’ll >> be prepared for the next RHEL release. >> >> But this is why people are calling it a beta test for RHEL. Yes, Steam >> running with only their core repos and software from within CentOS is >> tested and QA’d. But if you want to use Stream in a larger software >> context, be prepared for missing support and unexpected breakages. The >> only use I will consider Stream for will be as a test for upcoming >> RHEL releases, not as something I will ever want actual users to >> touch. (And maybe that’s ok) >> >> 1. >> http://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2021/01/elrepo-and-centos-stream.html?m=1 >> >> > > The other concern for me is security. I've not had time to track CVE's > in detail, but even a cursory look shows there are CVE's which have been > fixed in RHEL8.3 kernel releases which are still not fixed in the latest > Stream release [1] (which if truly upstream of RHEL should presumably > get the fixes first before they are backported to the RHEL point > releases), and others where the fixes eventually appeared weeks or > months later [2]. I know CentOS makes no claims as to security fixes > etc, but at least with RHEL->CentOS Linux rebuild, one could reasonably > expect that when a security issue was fixed in RHEL, CentOS would have > the same release and fix out the door within 24-48h. With Stream we are > seeing delays of months for security fixes in the kernel that have been > released in RHEL. The only time the Stream kernel is comparable to the > RHEL kernel from a security fix viewpoint is once every six months on > the day the next point release fork occurs. This all indicates Stream is > not of production quality and hence why people associate / use the term > beta software. > > [1] CVE-2020-25705 > [2] CVE-2020-29661 > CentOS NEVER made security fix claims :) The kernel dies currently lag behind slightly .. but this is something that will be fixed when the full process is implemented for stream. Right now, because of secure boot signing not being automated completely .. and because of different keys for CentOS and RHEL .. the kernel process is manual, not automated. But, this process is being worked on. How many people actually really update their kernels and reboot on the day those updates come out .. or the 1 or 2 days later that CentOS currently takes to build them? But yes, one does need to look for how to fix those issues. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] video driver for NVIDIA Quadro
On 4/29/21 10:17 AM, Joshua Kramer wrote: > @Johnny Hughes- what version of the nVidia drivers did you have problems > with, and what were the problems? I'm just curious. I have a Latitude > E7450 with an M840 chipset and I've never had problems compiling or getting > them to work under stock CentOS 8 kernels. > My card is fairly standard (gtx 1060 in a workstation). The last time i tried the base CentOS 8 Linux kernel was probably early in the 8.1 time frame. I then just shifted to kernel-ml from elrepo and starting building directly from nvidia. I have not tried to shift back. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my reading though) B. "CentOS is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" statement is not true as far as new releases are concerned, i.e. not true to build one's future on it But as everyone is agreed it is counter productive to ponder these things, I will end my side of it by reiterating: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. In fact at 8.4 release .. Stream is very similar t0 RHEL 8.4 with NO WAITING. CentOS Linux 8 getting upgraded to the 8.4 source code, tested, isos created, etc .. will take a month or so, Stream already has all that content in it RIGHT NOW. Yes, this all sounds nice, but not good enough if you put yourself in my shoes when I suggest my user: A. "I am going to install CentOS which is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise", so whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS [implying my reputation behind merely an ability to install binary packages and common sense of what binary files are there on both systems in questions] B. There is CentOS which is promised (I am borrowing your phrasing here) "WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months" but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". So my latest phrasing to my users/machine owners - which I can put my reputation behind - is: I am going to install Debian for you, and as in the past whatever works on some Linux I should be able to make work on your Debian machine. The last I can put my reputation behind, and my user knows it might not be as simple as installing binary packages known to work on RedHat Enterprise, and knows there will be some effort/time on my side involved. My apologies for breaking my promise to stop pondering the issue ;-( Valeri I think that is a positive , not a negative. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/29/21 10:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> >>> In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): >>> >>> A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it >>> doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to >>> really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my reading though) >>> >>> B. "CentOS is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" statement is >>> not true as far as new releases are concerned, i.e. not true to build >>> one's future on it >>> >>> >>> >>> But as everyone is agreed it is counter productive to ponder these >>> things, I will end my side of it by reiterating: >>> >> >> As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a >> copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar >> to RHEL + a couple months. In fact at 8.4 release .. Stream is very >> similar t0 RHEL 8.4 with NO WAITING. CentOS Linux 8 getting upgraded to >> the 8.4 source code, tested, isos created, etc .. will take a month or >> so, Stream already has all that content in it RIGHT NOW. >> > > Yes, this all sounds nice, but not good enough if you put yourself in my > shoes when I suggest my user: > > A. "I am going to install CentOS which is binary replica of RedHat > Enterprise", so whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS > [implying my reputation behind merely an ability to install binary > packages and common sense of what binary files are there on both systems > in questions] > > B. There is CentOS which is promised (I am borrowing your phrasing here) > "WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months" > > but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish > my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". > > So my latest phrasing to my users/machine owners - which I can put my > reputation behind - is: > > I am going to install Debian for you, and as in the past whatever works > on some Linux I should be able to make work on your Debian machine. > > The last I can put my reputation behind, and my user knows it might not > be as simple as installing binary packages known to work on RedHat > Enterprise, and knows there will be some effort/time on my side involved. > > > My apologies for breaking my promise to stop pondering the issue ;-( > > Valeri > >> I think that is a positive , not a negative. >> >> And as I have said several times .. if you (or anyone else) thinks something works better or Stream does not work for you, that is fine. Use what you want or like. We make what we make. If one can use it, great. If not, that's great as well. This is opening up the RHEL creation process in an unbelievable way to community involvement. I an proud to have been involved in mkae this process so open. I think CentOS Stream is a much more community project that CentOS Linux ever was. I also think it is better for the open source community and Linux distros in general. For people whole don't think this, we can agree to disagree. it does not make either of us right or wrong. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. ... Maybe I am miss reading this sentence. Could you rephrase the "while Stream will not ... anymore" please? Did something changed recently? Thanks, Leon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/29/21 11:13 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/29/21 10:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my reading though) B. "CentOS is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" statement is not true as far as new releases are concerned, i.e. not true to build one's future on it But as everyone is agreed it is counter productive to ponder these things, I will end my side of it by reiterating: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. In fact at 8.4 release .. Stream is very similar t0 RHEL 8.4 with NO WAITING. CentOS Linux 8 getting upgraded to the 8.4 source code, tested, isos created, etc .. will take a month or so, Stream already has all that content in it RIGHT NOW. Yes, this all sounds nice, but not good enough if you put yourself in my shoes when I suggest my user: A. "I am going to install CentOS which is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise", so whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS [implying my reputation behind merely an ability to install binary packages and common sense of what binary files are there on both systems in questions] B. There is CentOS which is promised (I am borrowing your phrasing here) "WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months" but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". So my latest phrasing to my users/machine owners - which I can put my reputation behind - is: I am going to install Debian for you, and as in the past whatever works on some Linux I should be able to make work on your Debian machine. The last I can put my reputation behind, and my user knows it might not be as simple as installing binary packages known to work on RedHat Enterprise, and knows there will be some effort/time on my side involved. My apologies for breaking my promise to stop pondering the issue ;-( Valeri I think that is a positive , not a negative. And as I have said several times .. if you (or anyone else) thinks something works better or Stream does not work for you, that is fine. Use what you want or like. We make what we make. If one can use it, great. If not, that's great as well. This is opening up the RHEL creation process in an unbelievable way to community involvement. I an proud to have been involved in mkae this process so open. Quite agree. For me, not too knowledgeable in these things person, this looks exactly what Fedoraa while ago was: huge opening of RedHat to wide open source community. Maybe Fedora didn't live up to the expectation, then good luck to CentOS to live up to this expectation. I hope, no one is offended by my - restricted - view of this, personal perception is just that and bound to be restricted to person's knowledge ;-) Valeri I think CentOS Stream is a much more community project that CentOS Linux ever was. I also think it is better for the open source community and Linux distros in general. For people whole don't think this, we can agree to disagree. it does not make either of us right or wrong. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a >> copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar >> to RHEL + a couple months. ... > > Maybe I am miss reading this sentence. Could you rephrase the "while > Stream will not ... anymore" please? Did something changed recently? Stream as compared to CentOS Linux is not RHEL source code downstream is what I should have said .. so what is released as CentOS (Steam now) will no longer be a downstream build. It will be released packages and very close to 8.4 content and right now. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. ... Maybe I am miss reading this sentence. Could you rephrase the "while Stream will not ... anymore" please? Did something changed recently? I believe you are citing Johnny's write-up, not mine, so your question should be directed to Johnny. Your mailer somehow messed the citation depth to appear what Johnny said as if it was I who said it. Valeri Thanks, Leon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
> > Quite agree. For me, not too knowledgeable in these things person, this > looks exactly what Fedoraa while ago was: huge opening of RedHat to > wide open source community. Maybe Fedora didn't live up to the > expectation, then good luck to CentOS to live up to this expectation. I don't think that is the case, quite the opposite. Fedora is way more bleeding edge than RHEL/Stream, Fedora leads to a version that will form the basis of the next major version of RHEL. My feeling (without any real knowledge) is that the community involvement with Fedora was seen as a benefit and now they are doing the same thing with RHEL - that community input into RHEL is via Stream. It has been said a few times that Stream is, in effect, the distro that RH develops on: it used to be internal to RH, now it's not. It was RH's own internal rebuild of RHEL. Opening up this to the outside world allows other people (SIGs, spins etc.) to produce code on a level playing field with RH developers. P. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 29.04.21 18:27, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. ... Maybe I am miss reading this sentence. Could you rephrase the "while Stream will not ... anymore" please? Did something changed recently? I believe you are citing Johnny's write-up, not mine, so your question should be directed to Johnny. Your mailer somehow messed the citation depth to appear what Johnny said as if it was I who said it. You are right, my hand coordination is not so good anymore. it cutted one line too few :-) -- Leon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 29.04.21 18:26, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. ... Maybe I am miss reading this sentence. Could you rephrase the "while Stream will not ... anymore" please? Did something changed recently? Stream as compared to CentOS Linux is not RHEL source code downstream is what I should have said .. so what is released as CentOS (Steam now) will no longer be a downstream build. It will be released packages and very close to 8.4 content and right now. Ah, okay. Thanks to clarifying it. -- Leon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?
On 4/29/21 8:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". Why do you think that? Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward compatible or not? If you trust point releases to work, why would you hesitate to trust a distribution that resembles an upcoming point release? (And if you don't trust point releases, why would you use the OS at all?) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
