Re: [CentOS] almalinux?
wasn't it present under cloudlinux name with modifications compared to the original RHEL/CentOS? Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you tight your prod to it. in that case looks like Rgular CentOS8-stream would seem better idea with local package copy/snapshot On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 19:21, mark wrote: > Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see > from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released. > > mark > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS Stream suitability as a production webserver
Hmm, I see a relation here. C7Linux - 2024 C8Linux - 2021 So I assume: C6Linux - 2027 C5Linux - 2030 C4Linux - 2033 ... Interesting. On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 21:44 Phil Perry, wrote: > On 05/01/2021 19:32, Jamie Burchell wrote: > > Hello > > > > I've recently discovered the announcement regarding the change in > direction > > for the CentOS project and I imagine like many others, I'm confused and > > concerned about what this means moving forward. > > > > I work for a small web development agency and we offer hosting as part of > > our package to clients who need it. We have many CentOS 7 web servers > > (DigitalOcean droplets) (LAMP/LEMP) that I look after and today I'm > > thankful I have only migrated one of those to CentOS 8, given the recent > > announcement about its curtailed EOL. I literally just went to the Wiki > > today to confirm the EOL date for EL7 and boy am I glad I spotted it. > > > > Given we are not developing drivers or applications (other than websites > > and web applications), is the change a non-issue for my use-case? I've > seen > > it written that CentOS Stream is the "development version" of RHEL but > also > > that we shouldn't have considered RHEL to be the beta for CentOS. Others > > have said to think of CentOS more like RHEL RC-1. I just don't know how > the > > stability will compare and we have historically always chosen CentOS for > > its stability (and of course price). > > > > Sure, I could migrate to Ubuntu (I use this locally in WSL), but I've > > become somewhat "comfy slippers" with CentOS and have built our setup > > around it (including custom ansible scripts etc) and don't want to change > > everything unncessarily. > > > > Of course, a lot of this is somewhat dependent on what DigitalOcean will > > decide to provide image wise moving forward. > > > > I'm sorry if this has already been answered, I spent a good few hours > > reading through the respective threads in the devel list and ended up > more > > confused than I started. > > > > Cheers, > > Jamie > > Hi Jamie, > > Unfortunately no one can advise you as to what may be a suitable > operating system for your business needs. > > One thing is clear, the operating system you are currently running > (CentOS Linux) is being brought to end of life, version 7 in 2024 and > version 8 in 2021. > > That gives you at least a year (for 8) if not longer to consider and > evaluate alternatives. As your current OS will no longer exist, I would > start with a blank sheet, look at the OSes that do exist and evaluate > each based on it's merits and suitability for your business needs and > requirements. > > Cheers, > Phil > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Disk choice for workstation ?
Oops, sorry, you asked for disk choice. Choose different vendor, same size for data... Why? Different time before failure. Also, if you are ok on 'tweaking' firmware, maybe go for green and disable head parking if you use them 27/7. Also, double check temp which it can work at, and check where it will be standing? Under and behind a table? Keep in mind, some ssd might have higher temp then spindle disk, that would assume you would think on extra fan, but extra fan would have same sound effect as spindle drive... Especially if cheap fans used ;) So... Hope this helps ;) On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, 22:41 Ruslanas Gžibovskis, wrote: > I use 1 ssd for OS. With my own automation for deployment. > > And sata drives swraid5 with data partition. > > And cache ssd for filesystem used on a raid'ed fs and enabled > compression... > > But you need to choose your own "freak" level, you would enjoy having on > your home workstation. > > MOST important, you can easily reinstall and YOU have fun while just > thinking you have it deployed ;) and can use any second and feel good when > using it! > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, 22:26 Walter H., wrote: > >> If I were you, >> I'd do the 2nd ... use a larger SSD (1 TB), and keep the mirror set >> (raid 1) for /data >> Walter >> >> On 26.12.2020 21:20, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > My workstation is currently equipped with a pair of Western Digital Red >> 1 TB >> > SATA disks in a software RAID 1 setup. >> > >> > Some stuff like working with virtual machines is a bit slow, so I'm >> thinking >> > about replacing the disks by SSD. >> > >> > I'm hesitating between three different setups: >> > >> > 1) Use a relatively small SSD (120 to 240 GB) to reinstall the system >> on it. >> > Keep the two SATA disks in a RAID 1 array and mount /home on it. >> > >> > 2) Use a larger SSD (500 GB to 1 TB), install everything (including >> /home) on >> > it. Keep the two SATA disks in a RAID 1 array and mount them on /data >> for storage. >> > >> > 3) Get rid of the disks and go full SSD, with a 1 TB disk. >> > >> > Any advice from the hardware gurus on this list? >> > >> >> >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Disk choice for workstation ?
I use 1 ssd for OS. With my own automation for deployment. And sata drives swraid5 with data partition. And cache ssd for filesystem used on a raid'ed fs and enabled compression... But you need to choose your own "freak" level, you would enjoy having on your home workstation. MOST important, you can easily reinstall and YOU have fun while just thinking you have it deployed ;) and can use any second and feel good when using it! On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, 22:26 Walter H., wrote: > If I were you, > I'd do the 2nd ... use a larger SSD (1 TB), and keep the mirror set > (raid 1) for /data > Walter > > On 26.12.2020 21:20, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My workstation is currently equipped with a pair of Western Digital Red > 1 TB > > SATA disks in a software RAID 1 setup. > > > > Some stuff like working with virtual machines is a bit slow, so I'm > thinking > > about replacing the disks by SSD. > > > > I'm hesitating between three different setups: > > > > 1) Use a relatively small SSD (120 to 240 GB) to reinstall the system on > it. > > Keep the two SATA disks in a RAID 1 array and mount /home on it. > > > > 2) Use a larger SSD (500 GB to 1 TB), install everything (including > /home) on > > it. Keep the two SATA disks in a RAID 1 array and mount them on /data > for storage. > > > > 3) Get rid of the disks and go full SSD, with a 1 TB disk. > > > > Any advice from the hardware gurus on this list? > > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?
I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in mind that anyone can change their licence any time. If You ask personally me, Matti, I do not see point using oracleLinux if can use Rocky/fedora out of cost. Same as I do not see any point in using any derivative of Debian if you just can add additional repo and install missing package... CentOS was free of charge RedHat Flag. And now their banner/flag do not look so trustful in free area... I still would trust paid version, especially when there is no-cost licence. Also you can connect to RH sales and get real goood discounts. If you are a small business in small country. But free flag is in uncertain situation. And I have been working with UBK or how is shortened their unbreakable kernel... No good ;)) we managed to break it ;)) and recover DB. If you really want you always can just look at config file how kernel is made and rebuild it with your additions or exactly same in exact same place. Also take additional blobs and place them where you need... if needed. But you need to understand if that all you really need? Maybe you just need to shorten tcp.fin_wait to 1 sec ;) and it will work as a charm even with 2.6.18... with all unneeded options off, such as kernel modules, usb, sata123... You just need to: su -c 'echo "1" > /proc/enable/brain' Without this module either OS will work. And choosing OS is like choosing your partner, you need to understand, for how long you have same path and why your partner did that move, did partner prepared all that you would have all cases covered with new WoW... Thanks On Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 16:52 Matti Pulkkinen, wrote: > Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 11.14: > > Legal and "can do" are 2 different things. ;) > > As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could > elaborate clearly on what specific concerns you have, without the > insinuation and analogy? Oracle's proposition [1] seems pretty > straightforward to me. > > [1] https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ > > -- > Terveisin / Regards, > Matti Pulkkinen > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?
GPL stuff applies only to GPL parts, but they can have Oracle blob in everything. The same time, TM's and so on... Do you know how one of the biggest cases with torrents and MS products was won against guys who shared it? Because MS TM was used incorrect way, sharing ISO files of ALL MS projects and an executable which generates random codes, accidentally fit to MS producs... is not a problem, but having an MS TM Logo is the "problem"... :D Same in Oracle stuff. Also For example, according to RH license. You can install evaluation Version every month on your development system, where sysadmin develops a platform for the developer, but as soon when this platform is ready, it is a production system, but no-one will come to you and check, is it really still under development or it is already prod platform, which is rebuilt every 3 weeks with jerkins job... (yes, Mr. Jerkins) :) Legal and "can do" are 2 different things. ;) And thanks Nikolas for keeping my advice in mind ;) much appreciated ;) hope you will use it wisely ;) On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 00:12, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 14/12/2020 à 23:18, Ruslanas Gžibovskis a écrit : > > Just in case, as the third author linked, read the Licence Agreement, > > everything will be there. > > Since Red Hat source code is mostly GPL, the same thing applies to Oracle > Linux. > > > > > And a small remark: > > Even if you can take a knife in a shopping mall and stab with it anyone > > within the same shopping mall, does not say that it is legal. But you > can, > > Please do not try it in anywhere! well if you have no brain and > interested > > in trying it... > > We will keep your advice in mind. > > :o) > > -- > Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables > 7, place de l'église - 30730 Montpezat > Site : https://www.microlinux.fr > Blog : https://blog.microlinux.fr > Mail : i...@microlinux.fr > Tél. : 04 66 63 10 32 > Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12 > _______ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead
Oracle Linux, only after Oracle Solaris will shine again with their awesome SPARC arch... Which has an amazing features... Nice, I did not check Devuan for a long time, if they still alive... hmm, I have hope in Rocky then, but would be more fun if guys do not just scrap everything fast into distro, and then, k, how do we work with it now... I believe Rocky will be a good thing, but hope other projects will merge into it instead of building their own. Even if everyone of us want to build our own :D But still, after this move, I do not have the same trust in RH as it was previously. Do you, People, still have a stone-proof trust in RH after last week's news? On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 09:56, R C wrote: > > On 12/15/20 1:32 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > > Le 15/12/2020 à 08:17, Nikolaos Milas a écrit : > >> My course of action is to wait for Lenix (Ref.: > >> > https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux > ) > >> and Rocky Linux (https://rockylinux.org/) by CentOS original founder. > > Right now Rocky Linux is not much more than a README file on Github. > > > That is how Linus Torvalds started. be careful > underestimating/ridiculing talent. > > > > > > On the other hand, Oracle Linux has been a well-tended free-as-in-beer > RHEL > > clone with some nifty extra features for the last 14 years. > > > > Wozu in die Ferne schweifen, wenn das Gute liegt so nah? (Goethe) > > > > :o) > > > _______ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead
if it is currently changed over the night... How can you be sure that the CentOS8 stream will not be dropped tomorrow? How about CentOS9, CentOS10, CentOS Core?! How can you be sure that what was "promised" will not be canceled in one second? I think most of the derivatives will be dead with one or two releases, like was with Debian, such as Devuan, never got a new version... In general, I would blame "DevOps" mindset! That might have played the bad thing here and forced all to this decision. Maybe RH wanted something like Debian GNU/Linux Testing/stable concept (in some cases TESTING more stable than prod, as it had the possibility to have a newer major version with rewritten codebase)? In either way, RH showed, that after IBM have got them, IBM KPI's forced RH to do some moves which we never ever were expecting to happen before IBM RH. Maybe even a first thing that could be a sign, changing Logo into a "simple" one... What is left now to treat as trust worthful OS? My decision would be to bet on: * Debian (biggest arch and package selection, which is quite up to date, and can easily upgrade from 2 to 10, yeah, of course, you will need to do some mambo jumbo), You can find some things like parrotOS, previous backtrack and much more in there, so just ADD repo, and download package what you miss in debian repos. And a shame thing, bubuntu is based on deb, so, same here, just add missing repos from bubuntu for particular package (but I have never ever seen such case, when bubuntu had smth needful, what debian didn't. * OpenBSD (very very very clear way forward, very openminded OS, but at the same time SEC on a first place!), already has vmd, written with a clean codebase, looks very promissing replacement for kvm in general usages. * FreeBSD, AnyOtherBSD BSD, you know... LOTS of appliances work on it! Has ZFS support... behyve... * Arch or Gentoo? Why not LFS then? But both have quite good support and showed themselfs. your suggestions? On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 23:25, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:50:00PM +0100, Walter H. wrote: > > it is called "rolling release" and no one gave officially a > > statement to the question I asked, > > It should not have been called a rolling release. It is not a rolling > release in the sense that many Linux distributions use it. > > > if it is meant like that of Win10 ... > > I don't know what that means. No. It will not be like Win 10 in pretty much > every way. > > > > a beta release is not the same that many expect as a stable system, > > as they are used to have with CentOS; > > It is not a beta release. > > > > you should think of renaming CentOS to something different, because > > with Enterprise this CentOS Stream has nothing in common; > > Maybe. But I think it has more in common than you think > > > and does Redhat really expect everone - even private people - afford > > a RHEL subscription¹ just to have a stable system? > > No. In many cases, CentOS Stream will provide a stable system for the needs > of individuals. In many other cases, upcoming low- and no-cost RHEL > programs > will address many of these needs. As an individual, you can already get > RHEL > with no cost through the Developer Program, although it isn't as easy as it > could be and usage is limited. The upcoming plans are intended to address > those problems. It's unfortunate that the timing is such that those aren't > anything but future promises at this point, but they are coming. See > https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 and email > centos-questi...@redhat.com with your specific needs. That address goes to > real people who are working on these programs, not sales or anything like > that. > > > > -- > Matthew Miller > > Fedora Project Leader > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?
hi all. Just in case, as the third author linked, read the Licence Agreement, everything will be there. And a small remark: Even if you can take a knife in a shopping mall and stab with it anyone within the same shopping mall, does not say that it is legal. But you can, Please do not try it in anywhere! well if you have no brain and interested in trying it... The same way, just fetching ISO without account and install it and patch it. It might be possible and no FBI agent will come to you, BUT if you want to know is it Leagal? RTFM! ;) by the way, this translates into F.ing ;) Each dot represents one char and '.' -ne ' ' ;) On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 18:53, Frank Cox wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 18:29:08 +0100 > Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > > > Here's my take on it: > > > > https://blog.microlinux.fr/migration-centos-oracle-linux/ > > That's a really excellent article, Nicholas. > > Thanks ever so much for posting about your experience. > > -- > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] [rdo][centos8][repos] CentOS8 RDO-USSURI repo missing openvswitch2.13
Hi all, I have an issue, in CentOS8 repos for RDO. It is refering to openvswitch2.13 name, but in the repos I can see openvswitch packages with version in version field, looks like in dependency field it is missing dash (-) or smth... here is a paste of repos and error message [0]. Or any other way how this could be fixed? thanks. and packages I can see [1] here. [0] http://paste.openstack.org/show/xEalilL1rRJSDTzNCGt1/ [1] http://paste.openstack.org/show/VLWrNFpRLatwq5qXP2kD/ -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] (C8) root on mdraid
Hi, I am curious, what config your /etc/grub2.cfg looks like? does it have the correct root partition specified under "set root=" or in linux option or how it looks in boot loader during a start? Thanks On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 at 08:41, Łukasz Posadowski wrote: > Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:16:48 -0800 > Gordon Messmer : > > > On 11/15/20 3:32 AM, Łukasz Posadowski wrote: > > > Do anyone can suggest what else I forgot to do? > > > > > > Use metadata version 1.2 instead of 0.9. > > > > You need for the filesystem to be not visible until after the RAID is > > assembled, and the easiest way to do that is to put the metadata at > > the beginning of the drive and the partition table inside the RAID > > volume. > > > > With metadata version 0.9, the partition table is technically inside > > the volume, but it's at the same offset that it would be for a disk > > with no RAID volume, so it can be recognized before the volume is > > assembled. > > Thanks, I'll try that. I'm use to metadata 0.9, because GRUB have > (had?) some issue with the newer ones. > > -- > Łukasz Posadowski > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Ruslanas Gžibovskis +370 6030 7030 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
