Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

The motivations behind Rocky Linux are noble indeed, altruistic and
back to community.
But, accepting support from Amazon, Google, and especially Microsoft
tastes like vomit in my mouth.  Nothing in the world I despise and
disrespect more than anything related to Microsoft.  
Get better sponsors, get community funding!

On Thu, 2021-07-08 at 23:06 +0300, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 8/7/2021 8:53 μ.μ., Gionatan Danti wrote:
> That said, lets face in: current CentOS is not really a community, at
> least in the sense that a community can steer the project direction.
> Nobody polled for Stream or asked about it. Stream simply happened
> due to an unilateral Red Hat decision. *Which is PERFECTLY fine*,
> unless trying to masking it behind the "community" word.
> My view is that RH/CentOS would be relatively inadequate for many
> roles without the outstanding work done by EPEL and the rest of the
> CentOS community, unless you are an hyperscaler who can do its own
> internal package additions. Red Hat failing to recognize the enormous
> value of EPEL and former CentOS model really baffles me. 
> Exactly so.
> So, this enormous and invaluable effort should not be wasted and
> abandoned, but should continue and thrive within full community-
> driven projects like Rocky Linux.
> This is what I mean by community effort. CentOS is no more a
> community-driven project, but others emerge. Yet, currently the only
> one with true community characteristics is probably Rocky Linux.
> Cheers,Nick
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Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Understood.
like all previous trends in technology, that too will change, the
landscape is always changing..
I'm an idealist, there is no way in hell I would ever accept anything
from Amazon or Microsoft, never...would rather fail than surrender
principles

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> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM mario juliano grande-balletta <
> mario.balle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The motivations behind Rocky Linux are noble indeed, altruistic
> andback to community.But, accepting support from Amazon, Google, and
> especially Microsofttastes like vomit in my mouth.  Nothing in the
> world I despise anddisrespect more than anything related to
> Microsoft.Get better sponsors, get community funding!
> 
> They are the 3 largest cloud services there are. That's what the
> support isfor. They are working with the platforms that will be
> running their OS onpotentially millions of instances. Welcome to the
> 21st century of
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Re: [CentOS] Auditing all Linux clients with centralised server

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

This is what I remember about evil
Microsoft...
In 1992, Microsoft released Windows NT, and advertised it as the
greatest operating system and began giving away free licenses to
colleges and universities and hiring public relations firms to publish
phony surveys and results to prove Windows NT was better than Novell
NetWare or any other OS.  Meanwhile, it took 4 years for Microsoft to
finally install Windows NT at their HQ in Redmond, Washington.  Why so
long?  Because they were successfully running Novell NetWare, the same
NetWare that Microsoft was slowly destroying with FUD in the tech
journals and media with phony surveys.
Someone here said a leopard never changes his spots, KUDOS Sir!
Microsoft is a cancer, a cancer to freedom, a cancer to innovation and
always was, who didn't they destroy back in the 90's and early
2000's?  They stole Word from WordPerfect, they stole Office from
Borland, and Excel was plagiarized from Lotus 1-2-3.
Microsoft deserves to be hacked and destroyed and is the epitome of the
most evil and treacherous an American corporation can
become.
I HATE MICROSOFT and so do many others who survived their FUD tactics
from the 90's.  Some of you weren't even born yet...
I know Gates and Ballmer and company all to welllong before the
documentaries "Pirates Of Silicon Valley" and "Triumph Of The Nerds".
Any efforts they make toward linux are for control and never for
freedom or innovation.  Control, power, greed are their only goals,
always.
WAKE UP!






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> Zitat von Kaushal Shriyan :
> Hi,
> I have 20 Linux servers in the network. Is there a way to audit all
> Linuxclients using a centralized server? For example, what commands
> are run byJohn on Linuxnode1? Steve on Linuxnode15? and so on and so
> forth totrack user activity. Which files have been modified or edited
> or commandsetc.. by the users.
> I have installed auditd, but it is local to the Linux server.Thanks
> in advance.
> 
> Hallo,what is about ansible for example.Ralf
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Auditing all Linux clients with centralised server

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Before anyone mentions "charity" and Bill Gates foundation
just remember how many good technology companies and software that
Microsoft destroyed with FUD tactics in the 80's, 90's, and
2000's.
charity begins at home they say in America...
what about those few million employees who lost jobs, homes, cars,
savings because Microsoft destroyed their companies?  what about
them?  where was their charity?
In America it's all too common to use treachery, dishonesty in business
and politics to climb to the top, and destroy competition, and then
pretend to give to charitable causes...
pure hypocrisyblatant hypocrisy
I for one cannot be bought, never..
as a veteran and so many other things, I will never surrender to
corporate bullying from anyone, including Amazon, I left AWS for
similar reasons..
I am proud to say I have not used a Windows OS since
1995and still refuse to this day to allow any Microsoft
devices attach to my SOHO networks...
same for Apple and IBM and Oracle.
freedom is more than an idea, more than a principle, it is a lifestyle
too!






On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 08:14 -0400, mario juliano grande-balletta wrote:
> This is what I remember about evil
> Microsoft...
> In 1992, Microsoft released Windows NT, and advertised it as the
> greatest operating system and began giving away free licenses to
> colleges and universities and hiring public relations firms to
> publish phony surveys and results to prove Windows NT was better than
> Novell NetWare or any other OS.  Meanwhile, it took 4 years for
> Microsoft to finally install Windows NT at their HQ in Redmond,
> Washington.  Why so long?  Because they were successfully running
> Novell NetWare, the same NetWare that Microsoft was slowly destroying
> with FUD in the tech journals and media with phony surveys.
> Someone here said a leopard never changes his spots, KUDOS Sir!
> Microsoft is a cancer, a cancer to freedom, a cancer to innovation
> and always was, who didn't they destroy back in the 90's and early
> 2000's?  They stole Word from WordPerfect, they stole Office from
> Borland, and Excel was plagiarized from Lotus 1-2-3.
> Microsoft deserves to be hacked and destroyed and is the epitome of
> the most evil and treacherous an American corporation can
> become.
> I HATE MICROSOFT and so do many others who survived their FUD tactics
> from the 90's.  Some of you weren't even born yet...
> I know Gates and Ballmer and company all to welllong before the
> documentaries "Pirates Of Silicon Valley" and "Triumph Of The Nerds".
> Any efforts they make toward linux are for control and never for
> freedom or innovation.  Control, power, greed are their only goals,
> always.
> WAKE UP!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 09:25 +0200, Ralf Prengel wrote:
> > Zitat von Kaushal Shriyan :
> > Hi,
> > I have 20 Linux servers in the network. Is there a way to audit all
> > Linuxclients using a centralized server? For example, what commands
> > are run byJohn on Linuxnode1? Steve on Linuxnode15? and so on and
> > so forth totrack user activity. Which files have been modified or
> > edited or commandsetc.. by the users.
> > I have installed auditd, but it is local to the Linux server.Thanks
> > in advance.
> > 
> > Hallo,what is about ansible for example.Ralf
> > 
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Re: [CentOS] Auditing all Linux clients with centralised server

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

https://youtu.be/Kwma71yl8mU






On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 08:47 -0400, mario juliano grande-balletta wrote:
> Before anyone mentions "charity" and Bill Gates
> foundation
> just remember how many good technology companies and software that
> Microsoft destroyed with FUD tactics in the 80's, 90's, and
> 2000's.
> charity begins at home they say in America...
> what about those few million employees who lost jobs, homes, cars,
> savings because Microsoft destroyed their companies?  what about
> them?  where was their charity?
> In America it's all too common to use treachery, dishonesty in
> business and politics to climb to the top, and destroy competition,
> and then pretend to give to charitable causes...
> pure hypocrisyblatant hypocrisy
> I for one cannot be bought, never..
> as a veteran and so many other things, I will never surrender to
> corporate bullying from anyone, including Amazon, I left AWS for
> similar reasons..
> I am proud to say I have not used a Windows OS since
> 1995and still refuse to this day to allow any Microsoft
> devices attach to my SOHO networks...
> same for Apple and IBM and Oracle.
> freedom is more than an idea, more than a principle, it is a
> lifestyle too!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 08:14 -0400, mario juliano grande-balletta
> wrote:
> > This is what I remember about evil
> > Microsoft...
> > In 1992, Microsoft released Windows NT, and advertised it as the
> > greatest operating system and began giving away free licenses to
> > colleges and universities and hiring public relations firms to
> > publish phony surveys and results to prove Windows NT was better
> > than Novell NetWare or any other OS.  Meanwhile, it took 4 years
> > for Microsoft to finally install Windows NT at their HQ in Redmond,
> > Washington.  Why so long?  Because they were successfully running
> > Novell NetWare, the same NetWare that Microsoft was slowly
> > destroying with FUD in the tech journals and media with phony
> > surveys.
> > Someone here said a leopard never changes his spots, KUDOS Sir!
> > Microsoft is a cancer, a cancer to freedom, a cancer to innovation
> > and always was, who didn't they destroy back in the 90's and early
> > 2000's?  They stole Word from WordPerfect, they stole Office from
> > Borland, and Excel was plagiarized from Lotus 1-2-3.
> > Microsoft deserves to be hacked and destroyed and is the epitome of
> > the most evil and treacherous an American corporation can
> > become.
> > I HATE MICROSOFT and so do many others who survived their FUD
> > tactics from the 90's.  Some of you weren't even born
> > yet...
> > I know Gates and Ballmer and company all to welllong before the
> > documentaries "Pirates Of Silicon Valley" and "Triumph Of The
> > Nerds".
> > Any efforts they make toward linux are for control and never for
> > freedom or innovation.  Control, power, greed are their only goals,
> > always.
> > WAKE UP!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 09:25 +0200, Ralf Prengel wrote:
> > > Zitat von Kaushal Shriyan :
> > > Hi,
> > > I have 20 Linux servers in the network. Is there a way to audit
> > > all Linuxclients using a centralized server? For example, what
> > > commands are run byJohn on Linuxnode1? Steve on Linuxnode15? and
> > > so on and so forth totrack user activity. Which files have been
> > > modified or edited or commandsetc.. by the users.
> > > I have installed auditd, but it is local to the Linux
> > > server.Thanks in advance.
> > > 
> > > Hallo,what is about ansible for example.Ralf
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [CentOS] Auditing all Linux clients with centralised server

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Apologies for being off topic.hopefully I don't get
censored.  
Not another word.  I usually never post comments anyway.
back to my cave


On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 09:18 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 08:14, mario juliano grande-balletta<
> mario.balle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is what I remember about
> evilMicrosoft...In 1992, Microsoft
> released Windows NT, and advertised it as thegreatest operating
> system and began giving away free licenses to
> This is drifting off of being anywhere on-topic for this list.
> 
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[CentOS] VzLinux - Opinions? Thoughs, Comments? - no microsoft involvement/contamination

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Anyone using or working with VzLinux, seems to be an upstream distro of
CentOS/RHEL and no vendors involved
Would love to hear experiences.
thanks!
:-)




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> On Jul 28, 2021, at 08:44, Jonathan Billings 
> wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, if you use the fail2ban-firewalld package, it
> uses ipset rather than iptables, which is more efficient. 
> That’s in CentOS 7 though. CentOS 8 firewalld uses nft instead of the
> older netfilter (iptables/ipset) code. 
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Re: [CentOS] VzLinux - Opinions? Thoughs, Comments? - no microsoft involvement/contamination

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Thanks John!  Appreciate it.
a co-worker uploaded an appliance into customer vCenter and it was
VzLinux, never saw it or heard of it before, didn't have time to
research, just thought I would ask the group here for a quick answer,
thanks!

On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 09:16 -0500, Jon Pruente wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:56 AM mario juliano grande-balletta <
> mario.balle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone using or working with VzLinux, seems to be an upstream distro
> ofCentOS/RHEL and no vendors involvedWould love to hear
> experiences.thanks!:-)
> 
> No vendors? It's the product of a single vendor, the long running
> Linuxhypervisor platform creator Virtuozzo. They made it to run on
> their OpenVZhypervisor platform.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] edit or write access to /etc/nginx/nginx.conf file for non-root user.

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

ACL

setfacl commands with user name and file name

several options





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> Hi,
> 
> I am running CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core). Is there a way to
> provide write/edit access to a file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf file only for
> non-root users? For example- john is the local Unix user on the server who
> wants to edit it.
> 
> Thanks in advance. Please guide.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] printing on C8S

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

You can download the linux drivers from the Brother web site, I had to do the 
same for my printer.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] printing on C8S
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 10:21:01 -0500

John, it is a Brother DCP7065DN, on the hardwired network and visible toall the 
computers here.
Actually, I just installed Mate (can't stand that Gnome-thing) but neitherit 
nor Gnome shows any printer config utilities.
Barry, I'll check into lpadmin. Still, I'd think there would be 
somethingactually visible in one of the menus, and as far as I can see there 
isn't.
Fred
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 2:34 AM John Call  wrote:
Hi Fred, can you share a little bit more information? For example, are youusing 
the default Gnome desktop environment? What kind of printer do youhave? How is 
it connected to C8S (USB, Wi-Fi, Ethernet...?)
I use Gnome, and it's been a long time since I had to poke around withCUPS. My 
Brother printer (MFC-9340CDW) is pretty old these days, but stillworks after I 
download and install the "Driver Install Tool" RPM from thebrother.com 
website...
On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 9:16 PM Fred  wrote:
OK, I give up. How do I configure a printer on Centos 8 Stream? I can'tfind any 
tools for doing that.
further, there doesn't seem to be a cups executable (which should allowsetting 
up a printer) though there ARE a bunch of cups packagesinstalled.

Anyone got any clues for me?
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Re: [CentOS] Microsoft deprecation of basic authentication centos 7

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Try the open source CalDav/WebDav...it will run as a local gateway
software that will do the dirty work of connecting to exchange/outlook
servers.

Trust me, I loathe anything microsoft, ugh.

But, it works.



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Subject: [CentOS] Microsoft deprecation of basic authentication centos
7
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:31:23 -0400

Hi All
I have a server out there running centos 7.I installed fetchmail to
monitor an email inbox - has worked for years.Microsoft deprecated
basic authentication so fetchmail is not working anymore.
Anyone else run into this ?fetchmail 6 does not support oauth.
Any thoughts on how to update - get this working again ?its nearly
impossible  to change the OS - as the box is not local to me.
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Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent
changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community
members, end-users and the general public.

IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM) your opinion could be slightly
biased because of your career.  

But, the history of open source is full of examples of what happens
when corporations try to create commodities from distributions backed
by support contracts.

IBM wants to make money, PERIOD.  They paid billions for RedHat and
investors, executives, want ROI and profit, period.  No excuses.

So, they are locking down RedHat and closing channels to important
software/materials.  It is what companies do all the time.

I predict a decline in sales, a decrease in subscriptions and a
percentage of the community moving away from Fedora / CentOS.

It's only logical reaction.

Does IBM deserve to make a profit for buying RedHat?  Yes, indeed.

However, this is not the best way, it is the same mentality of
Microsoft, Oracle and others whose products are EASILY replaced and out
performed by open source community software.

IBM has had many successes over the years, many first innovations, but
also a history of mistakes and flops too!  This is a flop.



-Original Message-
From: Josh Boyer 
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 07:20:50 -0400

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:13 AM Simon Matter 
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux"
> ecosystem just started to come true. I expect this is only the
> beginning
> and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL
> software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem.
> 
> I'm really wondering, how will this help anybody and how will this
> help
> Red Hat in the long run?

Competition in the Enterprise Linux space is a good thing.  If a
company or community other than Red Hat starts serving a market that
RHEL can't, it forces Red Hat to evaluate and adjust.  It keeps
everyone pushing and developing solutions that hopefully benefit end
users and customers.  If everyone is fully participating in open
source and upstream, it makes them all better inherently.

> I've been using and promoting the Red Hat "(Enterprise) Linux"
> ecosystem
> for more than two decades. But, who will I promote in the future if
> this
> ecosystem becomes fragmented?

Is it different from the non-Enterprise Linux ecosystem?  What do you
do there given the large variety of Linux distributions?

My personal take on this is to think about what I use and why I use
it.  How does something solve my needs?  Does it need to be better?
etc.

For example, long before I ever worked at Red Hat I was a Fedora Linux
user.  I love that project and distribution.  I literally owe my
career in some part to it.  In recent years, I don't use Fedora
heavily.  Partly because of my day job, but also partly because my
personal needs changed.  I do still install almost every release in
some way and try it out though.  If someone asked me for a
recommendation on a community Linux distribution, it would still be at
the top of my list.  Not because of what it was like in the past, but
because of what Fedora is today which is far better than it ever has
been.

If someone asked me for a recommendation on an Enterprise Linux
operating system, I'd say RHEL.  Yes of course because I work on it,
but also because I firmly believe it is the best on the market.  It's
what I run on my main machine every day.  If someone asked for a
community Enterprise Linux project, I'd suggest CentOS Stream because
of the direct ties to RHEL, but also because I believe it's a
relatively young and growing project with a lot of potential to do
really interesting things.  However, I would probably ask what their
needs were and then I'd earnestly try to make a recommendation based
on that.

> I'm still trying to find answers but it's quite difficult.

It is.  It's difficult for an individual to decide, and it's difficult
for a project or company to continuously push themselves to make sure
they are the best option for the broadest number of users.

> How do others, who were using and promoting the Red Hat "Enterprise
> Linux"
> ecosystem, handle this new situation?

Respectfully, I don't think it's new.  We've had RHEL, SLES, OEL,
CentOS Linux and Ubuntu for more than a decade.  Rocky, Alma, whatever
SUSE's new RHEL fork is, etc are certainly newer but the situation
itself is not new.  I see it as an expansion of options, but the same
set of considerations still applies.  Which distribution and community
aligns best with your needs, goals, and beliefs?  Which one would you
tell your friend to use?

For me, it's still Fedora, CentOS Stream, and RHEL.

josh

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Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Kudos to everyone's input and lots of intelligent talking points!

After decades of working in enterprise, Fortune 100 or less, I always
struggled as the disruptor, as the open source evangelist, trying to
get decision makers to embrace open source solutions.

Years later, I see that commercial linux like RedHat & SuSE make a
critical mistake in packaging linux as a commodity with licensing and
subscriptions.

If you think about it, the most common argument against open source is
always support & expertise.  THAT IS WHERE THE MONEY IS.

Selling licenses and subscriptions is par for the course for IBM
because they have doing that model for decades.  But, many enterprise
decision makers are STILL afraid of open source precisely due to
perceived expertise and support.

If RedHat gave away the OS and shared everything with the community and
then followed up with consulting engagements and the current support
engineering already in place, I think the customer base would start
growing immediately.

Open Source distributions are not designed to be licensed software in a
box like Windows.  Never the intention, ask Stallman if you know him.

The money is in support and consulting.  Teach the customer how to fish
and they feed themselves and the footprint keeps growing!






-Original Message-
From: Simon Matter 
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 18:42:34 +0200

> 
> Well, as RH's announcement is quite some day ago, I had time to
> reflect
> this jumble. The whole thing is much more complex than people want to
> admit and I will not decompose this all here now. Honestly I see
> the open source ecosystem like a hardware store. You have everything
> that you need to build your own home, thats all. So, some entity is
> needed to build it - a worker, consultant, hobby crafts(wo)man,
> agency,
> midsize firm, corporation et cetera, and that is the truth the we all
> should face it. To make it clear, what product do you get when a
> loosy
> community build a distribution, with components of projects that are

You'll get distributions like Debian, Arch or also FreeBSD and other
BSDs.
One thing they had in common with Red Hat distributions is that they
are
of high quality and one could fully trust them.

Unfortunately I fail to still trust Red Hat as I did in the past.

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

++1

Frank Saporito nailed it, walks like a duck, quacks like duck, it's a
duck!

There are dozens of alternatives and better community projects.

IBM/RedHat will learn the hard way, as subscriptions decline, and the
user base decreases, and CentOS/Fedora communities will end up
suffering the most because of greed.



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To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:55:28 -0500


On 7/22/23 02:29, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 2023-07-21 00:30, Lee Thomas Stephen wrote:
> > But for my business, I do not want to pay Red Hat, Zimbra, or
> > Google 
> > Workspace.
> > Why ?
> > Because the general rule seems to be
> > Oh! You are an individual, we will offer you affordable/free
> > service
> > What! You are a business, we will offer you extremely
> > 'unaffordable' 
> > service.
> > Because being a 'business' by default means you have a 'lot' of
> > money 
> > to waste.
> 
> 
> I'm not a Red Hat employee, so I'm not positive how they would
> respond 
> to that.  But, speaking as a customer who has worked with numerous 
> enterprise support agreements over several decades, I want to suggest
> that the issue isn't that Red Hat assumes that businesses have a lot 
> of money to spend, it's that they're targeting a set of the market 
> that you might not be in right now.
> 
> From my point of view, Red Hat doesn't really sell software. They
> give 
> away software.  All of their software is available at no charge, 
> typically in an unbranded release.  What Red Hat sells is support.

Does Red Hat give away software anymore?


> I don't mean helpdesk style "support-me-when-something-breaks" 
> support.  Support isn't something that exists only during incidents, 
> support is a relationship. It's periodic meetings with your account 
> manager and engineers. It's discussing your roadmap and your pain 
> points regularly, and getting direction from them. It's the 
> opportunity to tell Red Hat what your needs and priorities are, and 
> helping them make decisions about where to allocate their engineers 
> time to address the real needs of their customers. It's setting the 
> direction for the company that builds the system that sits underneath
> your technical operations. That kind of support is what makes RHEL a 
> valuable offering.
> 
> If you don't need the kind of support that comes with enterprise 
> offerings, then by all means, use the Free Software that Red Hat 
> provides to the community. 

I am confused.  Last month Red Hat announced that the source code would
not be published.

> But don't make the mistake of thinking that Red Hat is trying to mlik
> businesses simply because they're businesses.  Red Hat's offerings
> are 
> expensive because they're enterprise-focused support plans.
> 
Businesses can purchase in a tax-advantageous manner that you can not
as 
an individual.  Companies do not pay tax on their expenses.
That might partially explain the higher rates for commercial products 
and services.

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I am not an expert network manager.  I am a physician that used CentOS
8 
on my three practice servers until the big "rug pull." At the time, I 
had a choice between switching to the Stream or Oracle Linux 8.  I went
with Oracle Linux 8 and had no complaints.  Some have suggested that
the 
evil Oracle will execute the same IBM rug pull.  I considered that.  
That concern is a non-issue now.

The spirit of GPL was meant to force sharing and prevent the 
commercialization of the volunteer work of many.  At the time, I was 
confused about why IBM purchased Red Hat for an astronomical amount.  
Well, it is clear now.  As the readers know, there is a significant 
defect in the GPL: A Comprehensive Analysis of the GPL Issues With the 
Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Business Model 
 The 
terms of the license are enforceable, not the spirit

I think the Rocky Linux workaround will eventually fail.  I expect IBM 
already has a plan for all contingencies.

There is reason for anger.  Is there a reason for hope?

frank saporito md
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

finalmente!
era ora!
On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 22:40 +0100, paride desimone wrote:
> De Profundis
> Il giorno mer 20 gen 2021 alle ore 16:02 J Martin Rushton via CentOS<
> centos@centos.org> ha scritto:
> 
> See:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers/andhttps://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-programs-easier-ways-access-rhel--J
>  Martin Rushton
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Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Soon, we will all have to find a way to work with other distributions,
or work together to create and maintain new distributions that focus on
micro/small/medium business.  Eventually, this will be the only way to
keep virtualization and hybrid cloud available.  Everyone smells money
and RedHat is now controlled by IBM, so little by little, we can start
seeing the changes, reducing packages, dismantling, re-architecting,
re-branding.  It's only a matter of time.
Greed is worse than cancer.

On Thu, 2021-07-08 at 14:38 +0200, Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2021-07-08 13:22 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto:
> If some people want to leave the RHEL ecosystem for Debian or
> FreeBSD,that's OK. But for those who want to stay in the RHEL world,
> RockyLinux stands as a rock-solid solution. This opinion does not
> rejectother CentOS clones, but emphasizes the fact that Rocky Linux
> appearsto be a solid option for now and the years to come.
> While true, I also feel that RH is trying to actively shape its
> distribution away from small enterprise needs. For example, common
> packages are deprecated and/or removed (eg: virt-manager, screen,
> kernel-side DRBD, pam_mysql, etc) and EPEL 8 (which is fundamental to
> my CentOS/Rocky installations) is in a bad state.
> My impression is that RH is following cloud vendors & hyperscale
> needs - with Stream as a clear example. This is not an inherently bad
> thing, but it quite different from what the small and medium
> businesses I service need.
> So, while closely watching RH/CentOS/Rocky, I am going to steer new
> deployments on Ubuntu LTS or Debian.Regards.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

[mario juliano grande-balletta]

Personally, I have always been a fan of the BSD distributions and have
always kept at least 1 virtual machine running a flavor of
BSD.  However, I am not religious, and have no attachment to anything
supernatural or metaphysical or any other pseudo-spiritual thing.
I just think with the changes happening at RedHat, we will see some
effects soon, including Fedora as well.  It is a shame, CentOS has been
a rock solid workhorse, perfect for testing, for proofing, for
prototyping and all sorts of infrastructural experimentation.
Once packages begin disappearing and the distribution begins shrinking,
it won't be long before IBM decides that CentOS needs to have a
stripped-down community edition, with very few features, and a
commercial edition, for a marginal cost, and the excuse will be that
CentOS Community & Project need to earn revenue for maintenance costs.
That is my prediction.
Sad!




On Thu, 2021-07-08 at 10:47 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On 7/8/21 10:38 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> ...Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both
> things can have fairly say what is better to one's own tasteBut
> even as part of our infrastructure fled to FreeBSD..
> As a side note:
> l never used FreeBSD, even though I've heard good things about it.
> Frankly, I loathe its devil logo. I know it's probably derived from
> the Unix "daemons", yet I fail to get reconciled with it. It's simply
> appalling to me (even if it's smiling) :(
> 
> I _can_ understand religious person's attitude to some images.
> I don't require any reply on my above comment (I might even be called
> naive or whatever). It's some kind of personal confession which I
> feel I need to express somehow. I simply wish FreeBSD people changed
> this logo at some point...
> I wonder whether FreeBSD users are expressing similar concerns... I
> am not following any FreeBSD activity or discussion.
> 
> I for one consider FreeBSD mascot as created with quite some sense of
> humor. No more no less.
> Being not religious myself, I do agree with what region [Christian?]
> says, almost all or it: you shouldn't steal, you shouldn't kill, you
> should be kind to others,... The only thing I disagree with is: they
> say God created people, I believe it is other way around: people
> created God for themselves. But as neither can be proven
> experimentally, the last in my book is really minor disagreement ;-)
> Valeri
> Cheers,Nick
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