Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > >> The problem is more that your client breaks threading, as >> it does not insert an In-Reply-To: line. > > All I can do in Yahoo Mail is to preserve the "--- On date, someone wrote:" > line. > No, no, KB was absolutely right - Yahoo Mail is broken (badly implemented, sucks, etc.). I have both Yahoo Mail and Gmail - the ONLY reason I ever use Yahoo Mail is that, occasionally, when I post to my Yahoo Groups, Yahoo doesn't like my Gmail address and rejects them all, so I am _forced_ to use Yahoo Mail to send out the articles. I suppose you could say that Yahoo is broken, which is also true Way OT! mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
On Wednesday 27 May 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > What's really nice is that Ladislav, the promoter of FLOSS, is banning me > *by the IP* to comment on his DWW There is a big difference between insightful, calm commenting and senseless, angry ranting. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
> > Fixing of what? > Come on now. You started this thread. -- tkb ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Toby Bluhm wrote: > Niki Kovacs wrote: > > Ladislav Bodnar a écrit : > > > > > Hey, didn't you abandon Linux and switch to Windows > > > not long ago? I remember > > > you making a big deal out of this on your blog. Or > > > did you change your mind > > > again? Was the Windows world that bad? What's really nice is that Ladislav, the promoter of FLOSS, is banning me *by the IP* to comment on his DWW, although it was not me the most non-courteous commenter there. What I however did was to post on my blog "Boycott DistroWatch" (with application of Godwin's Law), and he couldn't stand that, it seems. I guess this is called 'rancor' (FR rancune). Of course, discussing on mailing lists is still possible... > What's really nice is when some fixing goes along with that > spotting. Fixing of what? Regards, R-C __ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Niki Kovacs wrote: > Ladislav Bodnar a écrit : > >> Hey, didn't you abandon Linux and switch to Windows not long ago? I remember >> you making a big deal out of this on your blog. Or did you change your mind >> again? Was the Windows world that bad? > > To err is human. Béranger is looking for perfection in an imperfect > world... and IMHO he's making quite a good job at spotting the > imperfections, even if you don't agree with the conclusions. > What's really nice is when some fixing goes along with that spotting. -- tkb ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > > > > Nothing will keep from joining the live CD project on > > http://projects.centos.org/ - constructive input is always welcome. > > Oh. Knowing that CentOS is the most conservative from all the EL > clones, I don't expect 'heresies' to be accepted. True. Making funny noises always is much easier than actually doing something. Ralph pgp98Wxt3eboc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Ladislav Bodnar a écrit : > > Hey, didn't you abandon Linux and switch to Windows not long ago? I remember > you making a big deal out of this on your blog. Or did you change your mind > again? Was the Windows world that bad? To err is human. Béranger is looking for perfection in an imperfect world... and IMHO he's making quite a good job at spotting the imperfections, even if you don't agree with the conclusions. Niki > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
On Wednesday 27 May 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > Should I switch completely to CentOS (that is, laptop(s), etc.), I should > rather see whether I could be of any help with other issues, such as > CentOS extras (e.g. how safe is to mix 'extras' with RPMforge with > centos.karan.org when one needs more software? mixing EPEL with RPMforge > is *known* to lead to some RPM hell). Hey, didn't you abandon Linux and switch to Windows not long ago? I remember you making a big deal out of this on your blog. Or did you change your mind again? Was the Windows world that bad? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > > Nothing will keep from joining the live CD project on > http://projects.centos.org/ - constructive input is > always welcome. Oh. Knowing that CentOS is the most conservative from all the EL clones, I don't expect 'heresies' to be accepted. Should I switch completely to CentOS (that is, laptop(s), etc.), I should rather see whether I could be of any help with other issues, such as CentOS extras (e.g. how safe is to mix 'extras' with RPMforge with centos.karan.org when one needs more software? mixing EPEL with RPMforge is *known* to lead to some RPM hell). > The problem is more that your client breaks threading, as > it does not insert an In-Reply-To: line. All I can do in Yahoo Mail is to preserve the "--- On date, someone wrote:" line. Thanks, R-C __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > It looks like CentOS has not defined yet a solid policy wrt the > LiveCD. > > You could have taken some ideas from the ScientificLinux > LiveCDs/LiveDVD/miniLiveCD. Unless you consider them a "rival", or > unless you hate Urs Beyerle. For instance, they've added to the > LiveCDs even packages not in their regular ScientificLinux distro, > just to make them more useful as rescue tools. > > I don't say you should have copied them, but at least to take a look > at what other clones are doing. Nothing will keep from joining the live CD project on http://projects.centos.org/ - constructive input is always welcome. > > your email client is broken. > > It is not an e-mail client. It's Yahoo Mail Classic, the web > interface. So it's more of a platform. Broken or not, *your* e-mail > client should accept this kind of breakage. An e-mail client that only > supports properly-formatted mail is like a car that can only runs on > perfect roads. The problem is more that your client breaks threading, as it does not insert an In-Reply-To: line. Cheers, Ralph pgphgACbyS3T3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
> the problem in this case, is that the package should not > have been updated. It would / should be the same as whats > in the 5.3 tree. We prolly need to add that to the QA process. I know that this is CentOS' policy -- to ship obsolete packages on the install media, just to match 100% the upstream install media, so to match their possible bugs, but not newer installation bugs that won't match upstream bugs -- *but* this LiveCD is *not* matching anything upstream, and therefore it should have had updated packages! (Of course, that's my opinion, not yours.) The only way to install from a LiveCD is netinstall, so it doesn't matter what is on the CD -- except for the kernel and base system, but not the X applications. Otherwise, used as a rescue CD or just as a normal LiveCD, I don't see what would be the harm of using the official updates. It looks like CentOS has not defined yet a solid policy wrt the LiveCD. You could have taken some ideas from the ScientificLinux LiveCDs/LiveDVD/miniLiveCD. Unless you consider them a "rival", or unless you hate Urs Beyerle. For instance, they've added to the LiveCDs even packages not in their regular ScientificLinux distro, just to make them more useful as rescue tools. I don't say you should have copied them, but at least to take a look at what other clones are doing. > your email client is broken. It is not an e-mail client. It's Yahoo Mail Classic, the web interface. So it's more of a platform. Broken or not, *your* e-mail client should accept this kind of breakage. An e-mail client that only supports properly-formatted mail is like a car that can only runs on perfect roads. Regards, R-C __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
On 05/27/2009 10:25 AM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > Just updating 1 (one) package and regenerate the CD... how much would it have > taken to test the result? Note that the updated package was part of CentOS > 5.3 since April 28 already. (Sigh.) the problem in this case, is that the package should not have been updated. It would / should be the same as whats in the 5.3 tree. We prolly need to add that to the QA process. > All right, nothing would change now anyway. But it's still ridiculous to ship > a FF issued in February 4! your email client is broken. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
> Yes. We had some issues with our mirror network which we > wanted to resolve before announcing the Live CD, so that > the CD would be available on all mirror carrying CD isos. Ouch, didn't know that there were mirroring problems. > > Also, how come it only includes FF 3.0.6? This is > terribly weird IMHO. > > It went through QA before the release announcement, which > also took some time. OK. However... this is still ridiculous, given the dates when CentOS has released FF updated packages: firefox-3.0.6 = 04-Feb-2009 firefox-3.0.7 = 01-Apr-2009 firefox-3.0.9 = 23-Apr-2009 firefox-3.0.10 = 28-Apr-2009 5.3 LiveCD = 19-May-2009 Just updating 1 (one) package and regenerate the CD... how much would it have taken to test the result? Note that the updated package was part of CentOS 5.3 since April 28 already. (Sigh.) All right, nothing would change now anyway. But it's still ridiculous to ship a FF issued in February 4! Regards, R-C __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
> Like every thing else we do - its not released till > its announced. And till its announced, it can change > - be removed or modified or even pulled. Thanks. It makes sense. It's just... the regular 5.3 was *not* posted (as ISO images) one week before the announcement! And it was frustrating... http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/useless_chart_rhel5_clones.png Best regards, R-C __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > > Umm... is there any rational reason to only announce the CentOS-5.3 > Live CD on May 27, when it was available since May 19, and Patrice has > updated the Release Notes on the same May 19? Yes. We had some issues with our mirror network which we wanted to resolve before announcing the Live CD, so that the CD would be available on all mirror carrying CD isos. > Also, how come it only includes FF 3.0.6? This is terribly weird IMHO. It went through QA before the release announcement, which also took some time. Cheers, Ralph pgpatRR6lLIsm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Hi, On 05/27/2009 08:52 AM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > Umm... is there any rational reason to only announce the CentOS-5.3 Live CD > on May 27, when it was available since May 19, and Patrice has updated the > Release Notes on the same May 19? Like every thing else we do - its not released till its announced. And till its announced, it can change - be removed or modified or even pulled. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Umm... is there any rational reason to only announce the CentOS-5.3 Live CD on May 27, when it was available since May 19, and Patrice has updated the Release Notes on the same May 19? The CD date is indeed 19-May-2009 02:50 and I've found it on May 21 on all the mirrors I've checked. I was persuaded that the only 5.3 LiveCD available was from ScientificLinux, and I've checked with CentOS just be reflex. To my surprise, 5.3 LiveCD was available, but not announced! Also, how come it only includes FF 3.0.6? This is terribly weird IMHO. Best regards, R-C __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
