Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Les Mikesell wrote:

 but out of curiosity, did you just do a
 simple yum update or did you follow the procedure in the release notes
 document?

Where is this document?

Incidentally, I did a simple yum update and it seemed to work fine.


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Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-23 Thread Mogens Kjaer
On 10/23/2009 01:31 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

 Where is this document?
...

There's a link to it on the
front page of http://www.centos.org/

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Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-23 Thread Robert Nichols
Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Les Mikesell wrote:
 
 but out of curiosity, did you just do a
 simple yum update or did you follow the procedure in the release notes
 document?
 
 Where is this document?
 
 Incidentally, I did a simple yum update and it seemed to work fine.

On the centos.org homepage there are two links to release announcements.
The Distro Release Announcement link says all you need to do is run
yum update.  The Release Notes: CentOS link recommends updating
glibc, yum, rpm, and python first.  I did need to run yum update yum
before the full update would succeed.

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Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-23 Thread Les Mikesell
Mogens Kjaer wrote:
 On 10/23/2009 01:31 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 
 Where is this document?
 ...
 
 There's a link to it on the
 front page of http://www.centos.org/
 

The link was also included in the announcements that 5.4 was ready.

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Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-23 Thread James B. Byrne
On: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:58:01 -0500, Les Mikesell 
lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote

 
 I can't answer your question, but out of curiosity, did you just do a simple 
 yum 
 update or did you follow the procedure in the release notes document?
 

Since I was unaware that CentOS-5.4 was released I had no reason to look 
for such a document.  I am a digest subscriber and the release 
announcement is contained in the very digest that contains your message.

Therefore the answer is no.  My question is: Given the knowledge I 
possessed, why would I have gone looking for such a document?  Is every 
yum user expected to look for release notes before each and every time 
that they run yum update?

On the other hand, because of yum's apparent inability to clean up after 
itself, I had previously adopted the practice of running yum clean all 
before and after every update, which I did do in this case.

There is a fundamental problem with the software if an automated package 
manager like yum requires both prior external knowledge and manual 
intervention to effect a particular update.  Surely if a yum update set 
contains package dependencies that are sensitive to installation order 
then there should be an automated means to insure that the requisite 
packages are installed in the proper order by the package manager itself 
and not depend on manual intervention.  The current arrangement seems to 
lend itself to unfortunate results.

Sincerely,

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[CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-22 Thread James B. Byrne

On Thu, October 22, 2009 15:34, James B. Byrne wrote:
 hdwr HPQ DC7700S ix86 Core Duo

 I have just updated this CentOS-5.3 box to 5.4.  This process was
 not satisfactory.

...
 I would like to get my previous customised desktops back, but first
 I would like to get the default to display. Are there any ideas on
 how to proceed?


On a hunch I did a 'yum list gno\* | more' and discovered that
gnome-session was not installed.  Installing gnome-session, as you
may imagine, solved the problem of the missing desktops.

Now the question is: how it is that an update can remove the
gnome-session package without first installing its replacement, if
indeed gnome-session was part of the update at all?

Sincerely,



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[CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-22 Thread James B. Byrne

On Thu, October 22, 2009 15:34, James B. Byrne wrote:
 hdwr HPQ DC7700S ix86 Core Duo

 I have just updated this CentOS-5.3 box to 5.4.  This process was
 not satisfactory.

...
 I would like to get my previous customised desktops back, but first
 I would like to get the default to display. Are there any ideas on
 how to proceed?


On a hunch I did a 'yum list gno\* | more' and discovered that
gnome-session was not installed.  Installing gnome-session, as you
may imagine, solved the problem of the missing desktops.

Now the question is: how it is that an update can remove the
gnome-session package without first installing its replacement, if
indeed gnome-session was part of the update at all?

Sincerely,



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Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CentOS-5.4 Update?

2009-10-22 Thread Les Mikesell
James B. Byrne wrote:
 On Thu, October 22, 2009 15:34, James B. Byrne wrote:
 hdwr HPQ DC7700S ix86 Core Duo

 I have just updated this CentOS-5.3 box to 5.4.  This process was
 not satisfactory.

 ...
 I would like to get my previous customised desktops back, but first
 I would like to get the default to display. Are there any ideas on
 how to proceed?

 
 On a hunch I did a 'yum list gno\* | more' and discovered that
 gnome-session was not installed.  Installing gnome-session, as you
 may imagine, solved the problem of the missing desktops.
 
 Now the question is: how it is that an update can remove the
 gnome-session package without first installing its replacement, if
 indeed gnome-session was part of the update at all?

I can't answer your question, but out of curiosity, did you just do a simple 
yum 
update or did you follow the procedure in the release notes document?

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