Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-15 Thread Florin Andrei
Steve Snyder wrote:
> On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands out 
> as being the most CPU-intensive of the

Wow, you must be sending terabytes of stuff through ssh. :-)

Assuming the request is legit:

1. Disable compression if you don't need it.

2. Try another crypto protocol. Years ago, when this problem was real 
:-) (sorry, no offense), I used to force blowfish instead of whatever 
crypto was default back then, and it produced a significant decrease of 
CPU usage on those Pentium II processors.

ssh -c blowfish-cbc hostname

I don't know which protocol is fastest nowadays, but I guess you can do 
a quick test and find out.

There might be some security implications for using a different crypto 
protocol, but you need to figure that out yourself.

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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Iatrou
When the date was Thursday 11 December 2008, Steve Snyder wrote:

> On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands out
> as being the most CPU-intensive of the applications running, It's used
> 176 minutes of CPU time in the last 2 days alone.
>
> Is there any way to lower the CPU utilization without compromising
> security? (I.e. without using a less processor-intensive
> encrypt/decrypt algorithm?)
>
> I'm getting the CPU use figures from top, so there no fine-grained info
> on exactly what code is taking so much time.  I'm assuming that the
> bulk of the time is spent in the OpenSSL libraries.
>
> Is there some hardware add-on or processor-specific optimization that
> would reduce the CPU load incurred by OpenSSH?

You can customize you sshd_config to avoid heavy-weight ciphers. The 
following is a reasonable order:

aes128-ctr,aes128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,
arcfour128,aes192-ctr,aes192-cbc,aes256-ctr,aes256-cbc

Well, actually, just stay away from 3des. Also, you should disable 
compression.

man 5 sshd_config

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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-12 Thread Peter Kjellstrom
On Thursday 11 December 2008, Steve Snyder wrote:
> On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands out
> as being the most CPU-intensive of the applications running, It's used
> 176 minutes of CPU time in the last 2 days alone.

Putting 176 cpu-minutes in context, that's 3% of your available cpu-time. What 
exactly is the problem here?

/Peter

> Is there any way to lower the CPU utilization without compromising
> security? (I.e. without using a less processor-intensive
> encrypt/decrypt algorithm?)
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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-12 Thread Mogens Kjaer
Steve Snyder wrote:
> On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands out 
> as being the most CPU-intensive of the applications running, It's used 
> 176 minutes of CPU time in the last 2 days alone.

Do you have any rsync jobs running at night time doing backup via
ssh?

Mogens

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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-11 Thread Karanbir Singh
Steve Snyder wrote:
> Is there any way to lower the CPU utilization without compromising 
> security? (I.e. without using a less processor-intensive 

There is always the HPN SSH patch set...

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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-11 Thread Scott Silva
on 12-11-2008 10:08 AM Steve Snyder spake the following:
> The traffic is a combination of tunneled VNC (to Win2K), tunneled Remote 
> Desktop (to WinXP), and interactive command line (to Linux) sessions.
> 
> For the first two types (VNC & RD), the image data is compressed before 
> entering the encrypted tunnel.  For the last traffic type there are a 
> lot of small packets, owning to the nature of keyboard activity.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
Do you have ssh also trying to compress the tunnel with the already compressed
packets?
That could add to the CPU time trying to compress twice.

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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-11 Thread Steve Snyder
The traffic is a combination of tunneled VNC (to Win2K), tunneled Remote 
Desktop (to WinXP), and interactive command line (to Linux) sessions.

For the first two types (VNC & RD), the image data is compressed before 
entering the encrypted tunnel.  For the last traffic type there are a 
lot of small packets, owning to the nature of keyboard activity.

Thanks.


On Thursday 11 December 2008 11:17:13 am Brett Serkez wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Steve Snyder 
 wrote:
> > On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands
> > out as being the most CPU-intensive of the applications running,
> > It's used 176 minutes of CPU time in the last 2 days alone.
>
> Can you tell us more about how your system is used, especially in
> regard to ssh?  Are there many logins?  Is X forwarding used?
>
> Brett
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Re: [CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-11 Thread Brett Serkez
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Steve Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands out
> as being the most CPU-intensive of the applications running, It's used
> 176 minutes of CPU time in the last 2 days alone.

Can you tell us more about how your system is used, especially in
regard to ssh?  Are there many logins?  Is X forwarding used?

Brett
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[CentOS] Any way to reduce CPU use of OpenSSH?

2008-12-11 Thread Steve Snyder
On my CentOS v5.2 server (dual Pentium4) the OpenSSH daemon stands out 
as being the most CPU-intensive of the applications running, It's used 
176 minutes of CPU time in the last 2 days alone.

Is there any way to lower the CPU utilization without compromising 
security? (I.e. without using a less processor-intensive 
encrypt/decrypt algorithm?)

I'm getting the CPU use figures from top, so there no fine-grained info 
on exactly what code is taking so much time.  I'm assuming that the 
bulk of the time is spent in the OpenSSL libraries.

Is there some hardware add-on or processor-specific optimization that 
would reduce the CPU load incurred by OpenSSH?

Thanks.
 
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