Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-10 Thread H
On 02/10/2023 04:32 PM, Ian Mortimer wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, H wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to use ansible, puppet or the like to do this on an existing 
>> system?
>
> It's possible but can be a lot of work if you're not familiar with the 
> software.
>
> A simpler option is to save all your configured files in a version control
> system (git, subverion, mercury for example). That keeps a history of all
> the customizations you made and also makes it easy to revert a change
> that causes problems.  There are open source tools to help (etckeeper is one 
> but there are others).
>
>
Yes, that would be 1/2 of the challenge. The other 1/2 is the installation of 
all the software, some of which is done through yum (or dnf) of course. The 
more challenging part is the installation of various bits and pieces the main 
apps have been extended by etc.

I agree, not easy to automate.

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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-10 Thread Ian Mortimer

On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, H wrote:


Is it possible to use ansible, puppet or the like to do this on an existing 
system?


It's possible but can be a lot of work if you're not familiar with the 
software.


A simpler option is to save all your configured files in a version control
system (git, subverion, mercury for example). That keeps a history of all
the customizations you made and also makes it easy to revert a change
that causes problems.  There are open source tools to help (etckeeper is 
one but there are others).



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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-09 Thread H
On February 8, 2023 3:51:52 PM EST, Ian Mortimer  wrote:
>On Wed, 8 Feb 2023, Fred wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to build up the courage to do a full system upgrade to
>> Rocky.latest. I hate doing upgrades, it's such a pain in the rear to
>get
>> everything working again, and get all my tweaks back into place.
>
>Getting all your configuration into ansible, puppet or the like is a
>bit 
>of work but a real benefit when it's time to upgrade.
>
>> I despise
>> Gnome 3+, and prefer Mate. Someone (EPEL ??)  built Mate for C7, but
>the
>> existing binaries for C8 don't work very well, there are none that I
>know
>> of for  C9, and AFAIK Rocky is the only Centos clone that supports
>Mate.
>
>I'm using Mate on Rocky 9 at work and on CentOS 8 stream on my 
>laptop.  Works fine for what I need.

Is it possible to use ansible, puppet or the like to do this on an existing 
system?
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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-08 Thread Ian Mortimer

On Wed, 8 Feb 2023, Fred wrote:


I'm trying to build up the courage to do a full system upgrade to
Rocky.latest. I hate doing upgrades, it's such a pain in the rear to get
everything working again, and get all my tweaks back into place.


Getting all your configuration into ansible, puppet or the like is a bit 
of work but a real benefit when it's time to upgrade.



I despise
Gnome 3+, and prefer Mate. Someone (EPEL ??)  built Mate for C7, but the
existing binaries for C8 don't work very well, there are none that I know
of for  C9, and AFAIK Rocky is the only Centos clone that supports Mate.


I'm using Mate on Rocky 9 at work and on CentOS 8 stream on my 
laptop.  Works fine for what I need.



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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-08 Thread Pete Geenhuizen
I've made to move to Rocky 8 after it was released and there is support 
for MATE and if you prefer lightdm as a window manager.  It has some 
minor quirks, but all in all it works just fine.
I've not tried it yet but there is also a Rocky 9 MATE live image 
available https://docs.rockylinux.org/en/guides/desktop/mate_installation/


Pete

On 2/7/23 23:53, Fred wrote:

ah, that's OK for now, as long as it works.

I'm trying to build up the courage to do a full system upgrade to
Rocky.latest. I hate doing upgrades, it's such a pain in the rear to get
everything working again, and get all my tweaks back into place. I despise
Gnome 3+, and prefer Mate. Someone (EPEL ??)  built Mate for C7, but the
existing binaries for C8 don't work very well, there are none that I know
of for  C9, and AFAIK Rocky is the only Centos clone that supports Mate.
there IS Ubuntu Mate, but I am more comfy with RH-derived systems.

One thing I won't have to do anymore is set up email (used to have my own
domain for email, but moved and can't get a static IP anymore, decided it
was too much bother to do the ddns thing) along with POP3 for my wife to
use. We now just use gmail.

But I see that the time for said upgrade is drawing nearer and nearer.

Fred

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:22 PM Ian Mortimer  wrote:


On Mon, 2023-02-06 at 21:13 -0500, Fred wrote:


well, as one of the earlier posters showed how, I did remove the
existing
one then installed the new one (the one that Zoom offers for Centos-
7, not
the one for Centos-8, which has the problem you describe) and voila,
works
like a charm!

Yes but that's the old version - 5.13.4.711 not the latest 5.13.7.683.
"Check for Updates" will tell you there's a new version but you'll be
stuck with that old version until you upgrade from CentOS 7 to
something newer.


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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-07 Thread Fred
ah, that's OK for now, as long as it works.

I'm trying to build up the courage to do a full system upgrade to
Rocky.latest. I hate doing upgrades, it's such a pain in the rear to get
everything working again, and get all my tweaks back into place. I despise
Gnome 3+, and prefer Mate. Someone (EPEL ??)  built Mate for C7, but the
existing binaries for C8 don't work very well, there are none that I know
of for  C9, and AFAIK Rocky is the only Centos clone that supports Mate.
there IS Ubuntu Mate, but I am more comfy with RH-derived systems.

One thing I won't have to do anymore is set up email (used to have my own
domain for email, but moved and can't get a static IP anymore, decided it
was too much bother to do the ddns thing) along with POP3 for my wife to
use. We now just use gmail.

But I see that the time for said upgrade is drawing nearer and nearer.

Fred

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:22 PM Ian Mortimer  wrote:

> On Mon, 2023-02-06 at 21:13 -0500, Fred wrote:
>
> > well, as one of the earlier posters showed how, I did remove the
> > existing
> > one then installed the new one (the one that Zoom offers for Centos-
> > 7, not
> > the one for Centos-8, which has the problem you describe) and voila,
> > works
> > like a charm!
>
> Yes but that's the old version - 5.13.4.711 not the latest 5.13.7.683.
> "Check for Updates" will tell you there's a new version but you'll be
> stuck with that old version until you upgrade from CentOS 7 to
> something newer.
>
>
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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-07 Thread Ian Mortimer
On Mon, 2023-02-06 at 21:13 -0500, Fred wrote:

> well, as one of the earlier posters showed how, I did remove the
> existing
> one then installed the new one (the one that Zoom offers for Centos-
> 7, not
> the one for Centos-8, which has the problem you describe) and voila,
> works
> like a charm!

Yes but that's the old version - 5.13.4.711 not the latest 5.13.7.683.
"Check for Updates" will tell you there's a new version but you'll be
stuck with that old version until you upgrade from CentOS 7 to
something newer.


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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-06 Thread Fred
well, as one of the earlier posters showed how, I did remove the existing
one then installed the new one (the one that Zoom offers for Centos-7, not
the one for Centos-8, which has the problem you describe) and voila, works
like a charm!

Fred

On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 7:35 PM Ian Mortimer  wrote:

> On Sun, 2023-02-05 at 17:09 -0500, Fred wrote:
>
> > Guys, I'm trying to update my zoom client and yum (or yumex) won't let
> > me
> > do an update,
>
> That's because CentOS/RHEL 7 is no longer supported.  Zoom download
> page shows 5.13.4.711 as the latest for 7. (5.13.7.683 is the latest
> for 8+.)
>
> > so I try to remove the installed one, on the theory that if
> > it isn't there I should be able to install a newer one
>
> You can download and install 5.13.7.683 but it won't start:
>
>  zoom: /lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found
> (required by zoom)
> zoom: /lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found
> (required by zoom)
>
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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-06 Thread Ian Mortimer
On Sun, 2023-02-05 at 17:09 -0500, Fred wrote:

> Guys, I'm trying to update my zoom client and yum (or yumex) won't let
> me
> do an update, 

That's because CentOS/RHEL 7 is no longer supported.  Zoom download
page shows 5.13.4.711 as the latest for 7. (5.13.7.683 is the latest
for 8+.)

> so I try to remove the installed one, on the theory that if
> it isn't there I should be able to install a newer one

You can download and install 5.13.7.683 but it won't start:

 zoom: /lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found
(required by zoom)
zoom: /lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found
(required by zoom)


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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-05 Thread Chris Schanzle via CentOS

On 2/5/23 5:19 PM, Simon Matter wrote:

Hi


Guys, I'm trying to update my zoom client and yum (or yumex) won't let me
do an update, so I try to remove the installed one, on the theory that if
it isn't there I should be able to install a newer one, by doing "sudo yum
remove zoom_x86_64" (where my PWD is the directory where the zoom RPM
files
live) and it tells me "no packages marked for removal.

This should tell you the real name of the package

rpm -qa zoom\*

Then rpm -e zoom... should remove it.

That said, I've never used zoom so I don't really know if they do
something special.

Regards,
Simon



Looking at 
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-or-updating-Zoom-on-Linux#h_c3eadf5f-1311-4d38-972e-dd8868353ccb

You should use:   sudo yum remove zoom

Commercial companies are notorious for renaming their RPM's to different filenames than 
what the package variables set.  The filename has no bearing on the package name when 
installed.  In this case, the download is called "zoom_x86_64.rpm" but it's 
real rpm filename with the typical name-version-release.arch may be queried from the 
download file itself:

rpm -q --qf='%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}\n' -p ./zoom_x86_64.rpm
zoom-5.13.5.431-1.x86_64

As you can see, the real package name is "zoom".

"sudo rpm -ev zoom" would also be a fine option.


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Re: [CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-05 Thread Simon Matter
Hi

> Guys, I'm trying to update my zoom client and yum (or yumex) won't let me
> do an update, so I try to remove the installed one, on the theory that if
> it isn't there I should be able to install a newer one, by doing "sudo yum
> remove zoom_x86_64" (where my PWD is the directory where the zoom RPM
> files
> live) and it tells me "no packages marked for removal.

This should tell you the real name of the package

rpm -qa zoom\*

Then rpm -e zoom... should remove it.

That said, I've never used zoom so I don't really know if they do
something special.

Regards,
Simon

>
> Reading thru the man page for rpm I can't figure out any other way to do
> it. Suggestions, any one?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
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[CentOS] C7, removing zoom problem

2023-02-05 Thread Fred
Guys, I'm trying to update my zoom client and yum (or yumex) won't let me
do an update, so I try to remove the installed one, on the theory that if
it isn't there I should be able to install a newer one, by doing "sudo yum
remove zoom_x86_64" (where my PWD is the directory where the zoom RPM files
live) and it tells me "no packages marked for removal.

Reading thru the man page for rpm I can't figure out any other way to do
it. Suggestions, any one?

Thanks in advance!

Fred
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