Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On 11/21/2012 06:17 PM, richard.he...@nokia.com wrote: > I believe I have the exact answer to "Centos 6 Server has no GUI" but I don't > see how to attach my answer to that thread. > > I am running in Virtual Box on a Windows machine. When I changed my memory > available from ½ Gb to 1 Gb , and my video memory to 24Mb, my installation > script went from an interface reminiscent of MS-DOS in the 80's to a nice GUI > installation, and my number of packages installed went from 200 and some to > 1400 and some. > > Apparently, the installation identifies what your box is capable of, and > installs only what's appropriate. And doesn't tell you! > the text installer in CentOS-6 will default to a minimal install set and does not give you any package selection options - however, with the gUI installer you should get ( and I am sure you did ) a package selection screen that you most likely just clicked through without looking at the package sets already selected. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh ICQ: 2522219| Yahoo IM: z00dax | Gtalk: z00dax GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
richard.he...@nokia.com wrote: > I believe I have the exact answer to "Centos 6 Server has no GUI" but I > don't see how to attach my answer to that thread. > > I am running in Virtual Box on a Windows machine. When I changed my > memory available from ½ Gb to 1 Gb , and my video memory to 24Mb, my > installation script went from an interface reminiscent of MS-DOS in the > 80's to a nice GUI installation, and my number of packages installed went > from 200 and some to 1400 and some. "Reminiscent of MS-DOS"? You mean, that DOS resembled any version of *nix? You mean you *don't* use command line, a *lot*, on servers? To quote a friend, "Your mother dresses you funny, and you need a mouse to delete files!". mark "the command line is your friend" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
I believe I have the exact answer to "Centos 6 Server has no GUI" but I don't see how to attach my answer to that thread. I am running in Virtual Box on a Windows machine. When I changed my memory available from ½ Gb to 1 Gb , and my video memory to 24Mb, my installation script went from an interface reminiscent of MS-DOS in the 80's to a nice GUI installation, and my number of packages installed went from 200 and some to 1400 and some. Apparently, the installation identifies what your box is capable of, and installs only what's appropriate. And doesn't tell you! Regards, Rick ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On 7/12/2011 12:41 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Lamar Owen wrote: >> >>> To: CentOS mailing list >>> From: Lamar Owen >>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 08:44:00 AM Keith Roberts wrote: >>>> How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a >>>> central part of the design of Linux? >>> >>> No, it's a central part of the design of the old System V Init. C6, SL6, >>> and upstream EL6 use upstart instead of SysVInit. >>> >>> EL7, if the direction of Fedora is any indication, won't have classic >>> runlevels, but will use systemd. >>> >>> The Linux kernel knows nothing of runlevels; runlevels are userspace and >>> have been since SysVInit was first used (and even before). All the kernel >>> cares about is that it hands execution off to a userspace process that then >>> takes care of further boot. That process can be /bin/sh or anything else, >>> the kernel doesn't care. >> >> OK, thanks for pointing that out Lamar. So I take it we can >> still choose which services we want running at boot time on >> C6? >> >> Keith >> >> - >> > > Yes, look here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ > > Perhaps this is sheer ignorance on my part, but from reading the information at the other end of the link you provided doesn't upstart make the system more vulnerable to attack seeing how everything in upstart is event driven? -- Mark Weaver Computer Information Systems & Services, Inc. mwea...@compinfosystems.com (717) 512-9718 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:31:07 PM Keith Roberts wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Lamar Owen wrote: > > C6, SL6, and upstream EL6 use upstart instead of SysVInit. > OK, thanks for pointing that out Lamar. So I take it we can > still choose which services we want running at boot time on > C6? Yes. But not in /etc/inittab. The normal chkconfig interface still works with upstart, and the inittscripts are still in /etc/init.d, and symlinks are still in /etc/rcX.d, with upstart. /etc/inittab is only used to set the default runlevel in upstart, as documented in /etc/inittab itself, at least on my RHEL 6.1 system. But it's runlevel emulation, not classic SysV runlevels, and upstart is capable of event-driven daemon loading/unloading. The F15 and later systemd goes beyond that. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Lamar Owen wrote: > >> To: CentOS mailing list >> From: Lamar Owen >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI >> >> On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 08:44:00 AM Keith Roberts wrote: >>> How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a >>> central part of the design of Linux? >> >> No, it's a central part of the design of the old System V Init. C6, SL6, >> and upstream EL6 use upstart instead of SysVInit. >> >> EL7, if the direction of Fedora is any indication, won't have classic >> runlevels, but will use systemd. >> >> The Linux kernel knows nothing of runlevels; runlevels are userspace and >> have been since SysVInit was first used (and even before). All the kernel >> cares about is that it hands execution off to a userspace process that then >> takes care of further boot. That process can be /bin/sh or anything else, >> the kernel doesn't care. > > OK, thanks for pointing that out Lamar. So I take it we can > still choose which services we want running at boot time on > C6? > > Keith > > - > Yes, look here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Lamar Owen wrote: > To: CentOS mailing list > From: Lamar Owen > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI > > On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 08:44:00 AM Keith Roberts wrote: >> How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a >> central part of the design of Linux? > > No, it's a central part of the design of the old System V Init. C6, SL6, > and upstream EL6 use upstart instead of SysVInit. > > EL7, if the direction of Fedora is any indication, won't have classic > runlevels, but will use systemd. > > The Linux kernel knows nothing of runlevels; runlevels are userspace and have > been since SysVInit was first used (and even before). All the kernel cares > about is that it hands execution off to a userspace process that then takes > care of further boot. That process can be /bin/sh or anything else, the > kernel doesn't care. OK, thanks for pointing that out Lamar. So I take it we can still choose which services we want running at boot time on C6? Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Scott Robbins wrote: > Actually, in yet another bow to the desktop user, sysv will probably be > dropped in favor of systemd. Made by the same person who did > pulseaudio, it supposedly does some good--in my own case (on Fedora), it > hasn't gotten in my way, which is about all I ask of the Fedora > "improvements". For now, systemd is only a replacement and has no real speed improvement over current init's. In order to see speed improvements, daemons need to change and behave in compliance with systemd guidelines. Author says they are preaty easy to implement. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Monday, July 11, 2011 07:56:53 PM William Warren wrote: > On 7/11/2011 10:43 AM, Keith Beeby wrote: > > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but > > v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > Any suggestions on how I can get this to work? > install webmin or something. why load the machine down with x..:) Trying not to be rude, but If a server is 'loaded' by having X running, either the server is too weak or it's lightly loaded. X's percentage of load on a heavily loaded modernish server is likely to be very low. But that's something to take up with upstream, not with CentOS, since CentOS is just simply going to be 100% binary compatible with upstream. This is something that should have been brought up during upstream's beta cycle (which started a long time ago); Karanbir for one specifically asked the list to test the upstream beta and file reports on it to help with what C6 was going to look like. But reading how some of these changes have taken folks by surprise shows that they didn't test the upstream beta as requested. Discussion was all over upstream's EL6 beta list, and it got rather interesting at times. Likewise, it's common knowledge that tracking Fedora is one of the better ways to see what's coming down the 'pike for EL; EL5 being based roughly on Fedora 6 or so, and now EL6 being based roughly on Fedora 12/13 or so, should tell you what to expect (the differences between FC6 and F12 are rather huge). Again, I'm trying my hardest to not be rude about this, but it's not like the featureset of EL6 came about in a vacuum or something. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 02:55:16PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Josh, > > On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 you wrote: > > > > Um, who says 6 doesn't have runlevels? I haven't personally looked at > > C6, but upstream EL6 -does- have runlevels just as previous versions: > > ...my fault. I had some remarks in my mind that the boot procedure > had changed from rhel5 to rhel6. Now I can't find that reference. > Looks like this was nonsense from my side. Sorry, still trying so sort > things with our new CENTOS6 toy... :-) My guess (although no more than a guess) is that either you, or whoever wrote what you read, mistook something about Fedora's change to systemd. (Probably a tech journalist, trying for senationalism.) :) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Spike: We like to talk big... vampires do. 'I'm going to destroy the world.' That's just tough-guy talk. Strutting around with your friends over a pint of blood. The truth is, I _like_ this world. You've got...dog racing, Manchester United. And you've got people. Billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's all right here. But then someone comes along with a vision. With a real... passion for destruction. Angel could pull it off. Good-bye, Picadilly. Farewell, Leicester-bloody-Square. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 01:44:00PM +0100, Keith Roberts wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a > central part of the design of Linux? Actually, in yet another bow to the desktop user, sysv will probably be dropped in favor of systemd. Made by the same person who did pulseaudio, it supposedly does some good--in my own case (on Fedora), it hasn't gotten in my way, which is about all I ask of the Fedora "improvements". However, thanks, I believe, to Bill Nottingham, at my suggestion, in Fedora's /etc/inittab are instructions on how to fix run level. It seems to continue to work with chkconfig and the service command, though it is, judging from some posts on Fedora forums, causing problems for a few people. (Just search systemd on Fedora forums and user jpollard.) However, CentOS 6 is still running /etc/inittab and one can set the runlevel there, as well as in the kernel line. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Willow: Why couldn't he be possessed by a puppy, or some ducks? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 08:44:00 AM Keith Roberts wrote: > How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a > central part of the design of Linux? No, it's a central part of the design of the old System V Init. C6, SL6, and upstream EL6 use upstart instead of SysVInit. EL7, if the direction of Fedora is any indication, won't have classic runlevels, but will use systemd. The Linux kernel knows nothing of runlevels; runlevels are userspace and have been since SysVInit was first used (and even before). All the kernel cares about is that it hands execution off to a userspace process that then takes care of further boot. That process can be /bin/sh or anything else, the kernel doesn't care. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > There is no "GNOME Desktop Environment" group. Check with yum > grouplist and you will see. And even installing "KDE Desktop" won't > help, because it is not starting automatically. And then, we don't > have runlevels any more, this means a little bit more looking into > details is required. Are you confusing C6 with F15 (where levels 2-4 are merged) or Debian and derivatives (where levels 2-5 are merged)? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Josh, On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 you wrote: >> help, because it is not starting automatically. And then, we don't >> have runlevels any more, this means a little bit more looking into >> details is required. >> How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a >> central part of the design of Linux? > Um, who says 6 doesn't have runlevels? I haven't personally looked at > C6, but upstream EL6 -does- have runlevels just as previous versions: ...my fault. I had some remarks in my mind that the boot procedure had changed from rhel5 to rhel6. Now I can't find that reference. Looks like this was nonsense from my side. Sorry, still trying so sort things with our new CENTOS6 toy... :-) best regards --- Michael Schumacher PAMAS Partikelmess- und Analysesysteme GmbH Dieselstr.10, D-71277 Rutesheim Tel +49-7152-99630 Fax +49-7152-996333 Geschäftsführer: Gerhard Schreck Handelsregister B Stuttgart HRB 252024 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
on Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael Schumacher wrote: > To: CentOS mailing list > From: Michael Schumacher > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI > > Dear Giles, > > On Monday, July 11, 2011 you wrote: > >>> So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup >>> Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but >>> v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > >> perhaps:: >> yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" > > There is no "GNOME Desktop Environment" group. Check with yum > grouplist and you will see. And even installing "KDE Desktop" won't > help, because it is not starting automatically. And then, we don't > have runlevels any more, this means a little bit more looking into > details is required. > How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a > central part of the design of Linux? Um, who says 6 doesn't have runlevels? I haven't personally looked at C6, but upstream EL6 -does- have runlevels just as previous versions: # 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # 1 - Single user mode # 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking) # 3 - Full multiuser mode # 4 - unused # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) Josh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael Schumacher wrote: > To: CentOS mailing list > From: Michael Schumacher > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI > > Dear Giles, > > On Monday, July 11, 2011 you wrote: > >>> So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup >>> Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but >>> v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > >> perhaps:: >> yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" > > There is no "GNOME Desktop Environment" group. Check with yum > grouplist and you will see. And even installing "KDE Desktop" won't > help, because it is not starting automatically. And then, we don't > have runlevels any more, this means a little bit more looking into > details is required. How can Linux _not_ have run levels. I thought that was a central part of the design of Linux? Kind Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 01:51:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Dear Giles, > > On Monday, July 11, 2011 you wrote: > > >> So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > >> Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but > >> v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > > perhaps:: > > yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" > > There is no "GNOME Desktop Environment" group. Check with yum > grouplist and you will see. And even installing "KDE Desktop" won't > help, because it is not starting automatically. And then, we don't > have runlevels any more, this means a little bit more looking into > details is required. > As RH has always been overly (IMHO) Gnome-centric, I believe that "Desktop Platform, or even basic desktop, will give you Gnome. (Desktop or, using the shortname, which in this case, is actually longer, @basic-desktop). -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Giles: Demons after money. Whatever happened to the still-beating heart of a virgin? No one has any standards anymore. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Dear Giles, On Monday, July 11, 2011 you wrote: >> So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup >> Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but >> v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > perhaps:: > yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" There is no "GNOME Desktop Environment" group. Check with yum grouplist and you will see. And even installing "KDE Desktop" won't help, because it is not starting automatically. And then, we don't have runlevels any more, this means a little bit more looking into details is required. best regards --- Michael Schumacher PAMAS Partikelmess- und Analysesysteme GmbH Dieselstr.10, D-71277 Rutesheim Tel +49-7152-99630 Fax +49-7152-996333 Geschäftsführer: Gerhard Schreck Handelsregister B Stuttgart HRB 252024 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > You're joking >> >> I think the rationale was that they decided to put their efforts into a >> GUI install and it was too much work to continue the functionality of >> the text mode. You'd have to dig through the Fedora testing list, I >> think. > > And GUI is less work? And they couldn't leave the same code in place? The EL5 text mode couldn't do everything you could do in GUI mode (I was sure there were some LVM bits missing). Given VNC works perfectly, as does kickstart, I'm not sure there's a place for a text mode that behaves differently to the graphical installer, and I wouldn't want them wasting any time maintaining it. Tested with VirtualBox 4.0.10, with 1Gbytes of RAM assigned, it installed perfectly in graphical mode, and I was free to reduce the memory after the install. Tested with less memory it did a perfect minimal install. Not tested kickstart yet as I was going to build up a Spacewalk server on CentOS6 first, but I assume that'll all be fine too. No complaints here with their decision to trim the text mode installer. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
> On 11/07/2011 16:46, I wrote: > What caught me out (_doesn't_ sounds like it did you though), > was that the CentOS 6 x86_64 installer chose to do a text-based > install, through lack of support for the graphics card, I > guess (this is inside VMware Server 1.0!). The text-based > install does > not give you a choice of the kind of stuff to install, you > just seem to get 'minimal'. Or in fact, as someone just pointed out in another thread, make sure you have >652MB of RAM, and then the graphical installer _will_ be used, even under VMware Server 1.0. Andy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On 7/11/2011 10:43 AM, Keith Beeby wrote: > Hi, > > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but v6 > doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > Any suggestions on how I can get this to work? > > Thank you > > Keith > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos install webmin or something. why load the machine down with x..:) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Scott Robbins wrote: > To: CentOS mailing list > From: Scott Robbins > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:33:10PM +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >> On 7/11/11, Keith Beeby wrote: >>> Hi, >>> > > >>> So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup >>> Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but >>> v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI >> >> If I'm not mistaken, the "Server" option does not include the GUI so >> you'll have to install the GUI group manually as others have >> suggested. > > If I'm not mistaken, (not making fun of Emmanuel, just the same caveat), > neither server nor web server have a GUI by default. IMLTHO (less than > humble) this is something they should have done a long time ago, (though > I would like to see either flux or openbox available as alternative--on > the other hand, that's purely personal preference, and can be safely > ignored--just, if I do, for whatever reason, want a GUI on a server, I'd > much prefer a *box (or other--twm is available actually, but I don't > like it), I'd like something light. On Centos 5.6 I'm running xfce4, which is reasonable. [root]# yum groupinfo "*" > Centos6-groups.txt should give you a listing of all Centos6 groups in a text file for refering to later. HTH Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 01:13:54PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Scott Robbins wrote: > > Have you done this with CentOS/RH/OLE 6? They've crippled it. In a > > When would I have tried it? I saw posts about mirrors being sync'd before > I left work Friday. I'm certainly not upgrading my home system for a > while Well... one of the various free clones, or maybe a beta? > > > marketing move that, again in my arrogant opinion, ranks up there with > > Windows Genuine Advantage, they'll tell you that they've streamlined and > > simplified it. > > You're joking If you mean in trying to be amusing, yes.If you mean I am making it up for shock value, no--they really did say simplified and streamlined. > > > > I think the rationale was that they decided to put their efforts into a > > GUI install and it was too much work to continue the functionality of > > the text mode. You'd have to dig through the Fedora testing list, I > > think. > > And GUI is less work? And they couldn't leave the same code in place? No, but GUIs are important. Don't you read distrowatch, and note how, if a sytem doesn't have a GUI installer, the reviewer faults it? (Yes, I am being a bit sarcastic, but the words are true. ) > > > > However, kickstart functionality remains, so you can always use a > > kickstart file, and that will enable you to do partitioning, and package > > selection. > > And to build a test system, as I'm about to do? > > Wonderful. My own impression, and it is nothing more than that, is that Fedora being a testbed/devel platform, or whatever for RH has made it, in certain ways, worry more about the desktop user---on the other hand, RH with its reliance on GUIs, has also made me sometimes think it's more for those who dislike Windows than those who like Unix, and the server, et al, GUI-less installs were a pleasant surprise. On the other hand, I also wondered, cynic that I am, whether it was in part, influenced by Ubuntu server, (which is also sans GUI). -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Angel: She murdered a man right in front of me, and I can't even testify to that fact in a court of law. Cordelia: Well, maybe in night court you could... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Michael Best wrote: > On 07/11/2011 11:13 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> Have you done this with CentOS/RH/OLE 6? They've crippled it. In a >> >> When would I have tried it? I saw posts about mirrors being sync'd >> before I left work Friday. I'm certainly not upgrading my home system for a >> while > > RHEL6 has a trial program. > http://www.redhat.com/wapps/eval/index.html?evaluation_id=1008 > > I think you can download Oracle Linux 6 as well. I'm afraid you missed the point I was making: I run CentOS at home, and I'm not upgrading my own personal machine to 6 (it'll be 6.1), and that will be semi-nervous-making, though not that bad, since I have separate LVM partitions for things... and I hadn't done any of it here at work. Actually, I'll be doing that this afternoon, and see how it goes. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On 07/11/2011 11:13 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Have you done this with CentOS/RH/OLE 6? They've crippled it. In a > > When would I have tried it? I saw posts about mirrors being sync'd before > I left work Friday. I'm certainly not upgrading my home system for a > while RHEL6 has a trial program. http://www.redhat.com/wapps/eval/index.html?evaluation_id=1008 I think you can download Oracle Linux 6 as well. -Mike ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Scott Robbins wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:55:12AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Andy Holt wrote: >> >> From: Keith Beeby >> >> >> > What caught me out (_doesn't_ sounds like it did you though), was that >> > the CentOS 6 x86_64 installer chose to do a text-based >> > install, through lack of support for the graphics card, I guess (this >> > is inside VMware Server 1.0!). The text-based install does >> > not give you a choice of the kind of stuff to install, you just seem >> > to get 'minimal'. >> >> Huh? I always use the text-based install, and check the select packages >> (or whatever it is) box, and the next screen's where I go down its list, >> and go into each, and (un)select what I want on the machine. > > Have you done this with CentOS/RH/OLE 6? They've crippled it. In a When would I have tried it? I saw posts about mirrors being sync'd before I left work Friday. I'm certainly not upgrading my home system for a while > marketing move that, again in my arrogant opinion, ranks up there with > Windows Genuine Advantage, they'll tell you that they've streamlined and > simplified it. You're joking > > I think the rationale was that they decided to put their efforts into a > GUI install and it was too much work to continue the functionality of > the text mode. You'd have to dig through the Fedora testing list, I > think. And GUI is less work? And they couldn't leave the same code in place? > > However, kickstart functionality remains, so you can always use a > kickstart file, and that will enable you to do partitioning, and package > selection. And to build a test system, as I'm about to do? Wonderful. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:55:12AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Andy Holt wrote: > >> From: Keith Beeby > >> > > What caught me out (_doesn't_ sounds like it did you though), was that the > > CentOS 6 x86_64 installer chose to do a text-based > > install, through lack of support for the graphics card, I guess (this is > > inside VMware Server 1.0!). The text-based install does > > not give you a choice of the kind of stuff to install, you just seem to > > get 'minimal'. > > Huh? I always use the text-based install, and check the select packages > (or whatever it is) box, and the next screen's where I go down its list, > and go into each, and (un)select what I want on the machine. Have you done this with CentOS/RH/OLE 6? They've crippled it. In a marketing move that, again in my arrogant opinion, ranks up there with Windows Genuine Advantage, they'll tell you that they've streamlined and simplified it. I think the rationale was that they decided to put their efforts into a GUI install and it was too much work to continue the functionality of the text mode. You'd have to dig through the Fedora testing list, I think. However, kickstart functionality remains, so you can always use a kickstart file, and that will enable you to do partitioning, and package selection. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: The world is what it is---we fight, we die. Wishing doesn't change that. Giles: I have to believe in a better world. Buffy: Go ahead. I have to live in this one. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
> > Huh? I always use the text-based install, and check the select packages > (or whatever it is) box, and the next screen's where I go down its list, > and go into each, and (un)select what I want on the machine. Upstream release notes ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Andy Holt wrote: >> From: Keith Beeby >> >> Thanks everyone, yes server has no GUI by default, so should >> have added a install time, now working by adding later >> > What caught me out (_doesn't_ sounds like it did you though), was that the > CentOS 6 x86_64 installer chose to do a text-based > install, through lack of support for the graphics card, I guess (this is > inside VMware Server 1.0!). The text-based install does > not give you a choice of the kind of stuff to install, you just seem to > get 'minimal'. Huh? I always use the text-based install, and check the select packages (or whatever it is) box, and the next screen's where I go down its list, and go into each, and (un)select what I want on the machine. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:33:10PM +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >>> On 7/11/11, Keith Beeby wrote: >> >>> > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've >>> > setup Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into >>> > the GUI but >>> > v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI >>> >>> If I'm not mistaken, the "Server" option does not include the GUI so >>> you'll have to install the GUI group manually as others have >>> suggested. > automatically. I often need to use X for odd stuff which only works on > X - like using Firefox to check if a specific feature on a website, > hosted on the server works fine. Or like using gparted to get the > extra features which fdisk doesn't offer. I regularly run ssh -X server, and run firefox remotely. mark "http://localhost:631 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
- Original Message - > A "lightweight" server option is a > long-awaited-and-much-deserved-feature but it would be nice if we > could still get a very lightweight X - even if it doesn't run > automatically. I often need to use X for odd stuff which only works on > X - like using Firefox to check if a specific feature on a website, > hosted on the server works fine. Or like using gparted to get the > extra features which fdisk doesn't offer. I agree. However, in those situations, I typically run these apps headless using X forwarding over SSH. A quick howto if you've never done this before: http://www.cs.caltech.edu/courses/cs11/misc/xwindows.html --Tim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
> -Original Message- > From: Keith Beeby > Sent: 11/07/2011 16:38 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI > > Hi, > > Thanks everyone, yes server has no GUI by default, so should > have added a install time, now working by adding later > > Thanks > > Keith What caught me out (_doesn't_ sounds like it did you though), was that the CentOS 6 x86_64 installer chose to do a text-based install, through lack of support for the graphics card, I guess (this is inside VMware Server 1.0!). The text-based install does not give you a choice of the kind of stuff to install, you just seem to get 'minimal'. I had much better luck after reading through the install guide (here: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/index.html ). Booted off the iso, hit and then at the boot prompt: linux vnc. I could then use a VNC client to do the nice graphical install. hth someone Andy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:33:10PM +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >> On 7/11/11, Keith Beeby wrote: >> > Hi, >> > > > >> > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup >> > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but >> > v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI >> >> If I'm not mistaken, the "Server" option does not include the GUI so >> you'll have to install the GUI group manually as others have >> suggested. > > If I'm not mistaken, (not making fun of Emmanuel, just the same caveat), > neither server nor web server have a GUI by default. IMLTHO (less than > humble) this is something they should have done a long time ago, (though > I would like to see either flux or openbox available as alternative--on > the other hand, that's purely personal preference, and can be safely > ignored--just, if I do, for whatever reason, want a GUI on a server, I'd > much prefer a *box (or other--twm is available actually, but I don't > like it), I'd like something light. > > > -- I have to agree with Scott. A "lightweight" server option is a long-awaited-and-much-deserved-feature but it would be nice if we could still get a very lightweight X - even if it doesn't run automatically. I often need to use X for odd stuff which only works on X - like using Firefox to check if a specific feature on a website, hosted on the server works fine. Or like using gparted to get the extra features which fdisk doesn't offer. Just a thought... -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:33:10PM +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > On 7/11/11, Keith Beeby wrote: > > Hi, > > > > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but > > v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > If I'm not mistaken, the "Server" option does not include the GUI so > you'll have to install the GUI group manually as others have > suggested. If I'm not mistaken, (not making fun of Emmanuel, just the same caveat), neither server nor web server have a GUI by default. IMLTHO (less than humble) this is something they should have done a long time ago, (though I would like to see either flux or openbox available as alternative--on the other hand, that's purely personal preference, and can be safely ignored--just, if I do, for whatever reason, want a GUI on a server, I'd much prefer a *box (or other--twm is available actually, but I don't like it), I'd like something light. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Riley: Buffy . . . I feel like we've gotten really close. At least I thought we had. I don't know much about Angel or your relationship with him . . but . . . all I ask is . . if you're gonna break heart, do it fast. Buffy: What? You think that Angel and I... Riley: Didn't you? Buffy: No. Of course not. How can you even ask me that? Riley: I don't know. Xander said... Buffy: Xander?! Oh, he's the deadest man in Deadonia. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Hi, Thanks everyone, yes server has no GUI by default, so should have added a install time, now working by adding later Thanks Keith On 11 Jul 2011, at 16:33, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > On 7/11/11, Keith Beeby wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup >> Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but >> v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > If I'm not mistaken, the "Server" option does not include the GUI so > you'll have to install the GUI group manually as others have > suggested. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On 7/11/11, Keith Beeby wrote: > Hi, > > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but > v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI If I'm not mistaken, the "Server" option does not include the GUI so you'll have to install the GUI group manually as others have suggested. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
At Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:43:11 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > Hi, > > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but v6 > doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > Any suggestions on how I can get this to work? Why do you want a GUI on a *server*? > > Thank you > > Keith > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
On Mon, July 11, 2011 16:43, Keith Beeby wrote: > Hi, > > So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup > Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but > v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI > > Any suggestions on how I can get this to work? > perhaps:: yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
This might seem obvious but have you checked to see if you have X or any GUI desktops installed? AK Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos 6 Server has no GUI
Hi, So first daft question with Centos 6 (someone had to be first!) I've setup Centos 6 as a Server but as with Centos 5 it used to boot into the GUI but v6 doesn't do this, startx etc doesn't seem to work to launch the GUI Any suggestions on how I can get this to work? Thank you Keith ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
