Re: [CentOS] How to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare?
I'm not really sure I can clarify things for you, but I'll give it a shot. > > I read this discussion on serverfault.com > http://serverfault.com/questions/106131/raid-5-with-hot-spare-or-raid-10-with-no-hot-spare > > > but still quite confused as some people think RAID-10 is way safer while > some people wrote: I'm not sure if it's so much 'way safer', as 'very nearly as safe and provides much better performance' > " > I'd have to disagree with CHopper3. Since there are only 4 drives in > this situation your failure capabilities are the same (2 drives) with > either scenario, except with raid 10 if you happen to lose the wrong 2 > drives then you'll have a real problem. Also there is definitely an > added benefit of having a global spare for your other RAIDs as well. > " this is playing a bit with probability; e.g. the chance of rolling a die 3 consecutive times such that each roll ends up on 6 is 1/216, while the probability of a single roll ending in a 6 (regardless of how many previous rolls have happened) is 1/6 if the probability of a drive failure is 1/x, the probability of 2 drive failures is 1/(x^2); if you're using raid10 (mirrored sets striped... you need 2 drives to get a mirrored set, 2 sets to be able to stripe -> 2*2 == 4(minimum)) if that probability hits on a raid10 device, and further both drives in one of the mirror sets are the ones to go, bad things happen. if the same situation happens when the disks are configured to a raid5 set with a spare, you get a 1/4 chance that the second failure happens on the spare drive and your raid5 device is able to keep going. if you're in a situation where you have other raid devices in the same box and the spare can be moved to other raid sets, there's a bonus there. now the downside, raid5 is always going to be slower than mirrored stripes because the parity has to be calculated either by the OS or by some controller somewhere. > > My new question is: > As RAID 10 requires at least 4 hard drives (not very sure about this > information), with only 4 hard disks, is RAID-10 without hot spare a > better solution than RAID-5 + 1 hot spare? Why or why not? > in some ways sorta comes down to personal preference. if you can live with the slower performance of the raid5 and have use for the spare (even better if you can apply it to other raid sets in the same device), that's probably best. if you have to have the performance, raid10 is probably going to be better for you. there's an old graphic I always liked. something along the lines of chose your own raid: fast, cheap, fault tolerant. you can pick 2. hope this helps. -- Even the Magic 8 ball has an opinion on email clients: Outlook not so good. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare?
raid 6 On 1/24/2013 7:37 AM, Wenshan Ren wrote: > > Rudi Ahlers writes: > >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Ren Wen shan wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I am new to this group so please forgive me if this question has been >>> already asked. >>> >>> With four identical hard drives, I want to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare by a >>> fresh CentOS (6.3) installation. >>> >>> I have read this article ( >>> >>> http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-raid-config.html >>> ) >>> and watched this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3MkuTfDLw), now I >>> have the basic ideas. >>> >>> However, due to my limited experience and knowledge on this area, I am >>> still confused. >>> >>> To make things easier, I only need a swap and a `/' partition. >>> >>> Could you give me any hint on this? What should I read to get the basic >>> knowledge? How can I setup a simple RAID 5 + hot spare? >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> - Meatball >>> ___ >>> >>> >> Since you're new to this list, and this topic, I'm going to spare you the >> headache. Don't use RAID5 Even with a hot-spare, if you use large drives >> chances are you'll loose everything if one of the drive fail and you need >> to rebuild the whole set. >> >> Rather use RAID 10. The newer CentOS installation disks has an option to >> setup RAID10, alternatively. >> >> There are numerous tutorials out there on how todo it, but this one seems >> quite easy to follow: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlOK1voR2nA > > Hi Rudi, > > Thanks a lot for your reply, the video is very helpful. > > I read this discussion on serverfault.com > http://serverfault.com/questions/106131/raid-5-with-hot-spare-or-raid-10-with-no-hot-spare > > > but still quite confused as some people think RAID-10 is way safer while > some people wrote: > " > I'd have to disagree with CHopper3. Since there are only 4 drives in > this situation your failure capabilities are the same (2 drives) with > either scenario, except with raid 10 if you happen to lose the wrong 2 > drives then you'll have a real problem. Also there is definitely an > added benefit of having a global spare for your other RAIDs as well. > " > > > My new question is: > As RAID 10 requires at least 4 hard drives (not very sure about this > information), with only 4 hard disks, is RAID-10 without hot spare a > better solution than RAID-5 + 1 hot spare? Why or why not? > > -- > Wenshan Ren > Email: renws1...@gmail.com > Blog: wenshanren.org > Douban: www.douban.com/people/renws > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare?
Rudi Ahlers writes: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Ren Wen shan wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I am new to this group so please forgive me if this question has been >> already asked. >> >> With four identical hard drives, I want to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare by a >> fresh CentOS (6.3) installation. >> >> I have read this article ( >> >> http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-raid-config.html >> ) >> and watched this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3MkuTfDLw), now I >> have the basic ideas. >> >> However, due to my limited experience and knowledge on this area, I am >> still confused. >> >> To make things easier, I only need a swap and a `/' partition. >> >> Could you give me any hint on this? What should I read to get the basic >> knowledge? How can I setup a simple RAID 5 + hot spare? >> >> >> Regards, >> - Meatball >> ___ >> >> > Since you're new to this list, and this topic, I'm going to spare you the > headache. Don't use RAID5 Even with a hot-spare, if you use large drives > chances are you'll loose everything if one of the drive fail and you need > to rebuild the whole set. > > Rather use RAID 10. The newer CentOS installation disks has an option to > setup RAID10, alternatively. > > There are numerous tutorials out there on how todo it, but this one seems > quite easy to follow: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlOK1voR2nA Hi Rudi, Thanks a lot for your reply, the video is very helpful. I read this discussion on serverfault.com http://serverfault.com/questions/106131/raid-5-with-hot-spare-or-raid-10-with-no-hot-spare but still quite confused as some people think RAID-10 is way safer while some people wrote: " I'd have to disagree with CHopper3. Since there are only 4 drives in this situation your failure capabilities are the same (2 drives) with either scenario, except with raid 10 if you happen to lose the wrong 2 drives then you'll have a real problem. Also there is definitely an added benefit of having a global spare for your other RAIDs as well. " My new question is: As RAID 10 requires at least 4 hard drives (not very sure about this information), with only 4 hard disks, is RAID-10 without hot spare a better solution than RAID-5 + 1 hot spare? Why or why not? -- Wenshan Ren Email: renws1...@gmail.com Blog: wenshanren.org Douban: www.douban.com/people/renws ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare?
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Ren Wen shan wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am new to this group so please forgive me if this question has been > already asked. > > With four identical hard drives, I want to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare by a > fresh CentOS (6.3) installation. > > I have read this article ( > > http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-raid-config.html > ) > and watched this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3MkuTfDLw), now I > have the basic ideas. > > However, due to my limited experience and knowledge on this area, I am > still confused. > > To make things easier, I only need a swap and a `/' partition. > > Could you give me any hint on this? What should I read to get the basic > knowledge? How can I setup a simple RAID 5 + hot spare? > > > Regards, > - Meatball > ___ > > Since you're new to this list, and this topic, I'm going to spare you the headache. Don't use RAID5 Even with a hot-spare, if you use large drives chances are you'll loose everything if one of the drive fail and you need to rebuild the whole set. Rather use RAID 10. The newer CentOS installation disks has an option to setup RAID10, alternatively. There are numerous tutorials out there on how todo it, but this one seems quite easy to follow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlOK1voR2nA -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Cell: 082 554 7532 Fax: 086 268 8492 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] How to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare?
Hello everyone, I am new to this group so please forgive me if this question has been already asked. With four identical hard drives, I want to setup RAID 5 + 1 hot spare by a fresh CentOS (6.3) installation. I have read this article ( http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-raid-config.html) and watched this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3MkuTfDLw), now I have the basic ideas. However, due to my limited experience and knowledge on this area, I am still confused. To make things easier, I only need a swap and a `/' partition. Could you give me any hint on this? What should I read to get the basic knowledge? How can I setup a simple RAID 5 + hot spare? Regards, - Meatball ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
