Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
Christopher Chan wrote:
 The OP is not saying there is no ipv6 netfilter support. He said that
 there is no ipv6 state netfilter module or something like that.

In which case either you dont know what the OP is talking about, or he
doesnt know what he asked :D

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ip6tables -nL | wc -l
124
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# hostname
panic.karan.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# lsof -i | grep IPv6  | wc -l
561
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ip a l | grep net6
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
inet6 fe80::20d:61ff:fe80:7ce3/64 scope link
inet6 2001:4830:1600:13c::2/64 scope global
inet6 fe80::4224:e704/128 scope link
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -r
2.6.18-53.1.14.el5
---

- KNatively running ipv6 for a few years nowB
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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-30 Thread Les Mikesell

Karanbir Singh wrote:

Christopher Chan wrote:

The OP is not saying there is no ipv6 netfilter support. He said that
there is no ipv6 state netfilter module or something like that.


In which case either you dont know what the OP is talking about, or he
doesnt know what he asked :D

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ip6tables -nL | wc -l
124
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# hostname
panic.karan.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# lsof -i | grep IPv6  | wc -l
561
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ip a l | grep net6
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
inet6 fe80::20d:61ff:fe80:7ce3/64 scope link
inet6 2001:4830:1600:13c::2/64 scope global
inet6 fe80::4224:e704/128 scope link
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -r
2.6.18-53.1.14.el5
---

- KNatively running ipv6 for a few years nowB


What he originally said was that this needed kernel 2.6.20 or newer.  Is 
this one of the feature backports into the enterprise kernel that Centos 
inherits?


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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-30 Thread Matt Shields
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Christopher Chan wrote:
 The OP is not saying there is no ipv6 netfilter support. He said that
 there is no ipv6 state netfilter module or something like that.

 In which case either you dont know what the OP is talking about, or he
 doesnt know what he asked :D

 --
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ip6tables -nL | wc -l
 124
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# hostname
 panic.karan.org
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# lsof -i | grep IPv6  | wc -l
 561
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ip a l | grep net6
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
inet6 fe80::20d:61ff:fe80:7ce3/64 scope link
inet6 2001:4830:1600:13c::2/64 scope global
inet6 fe80::4224:e704/128 scope link
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -r
 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5
 ---

 - KNatively running ipv6 for a few years nowB
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Exactly!!!  What he's complaining about is the lack of lazy-man's GUI
tool to configure ip6tables.

Are you absolutely sure that FWBuilder doesn't support IPv6?  Because
here there a release note
http://www.fwbuilder.org/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html
referring to ip6tables.


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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-30 Thread Robert Moskowitz

Matt Shields wrote:

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Christopher Chan wrote:


The OP is not saying there is no ipv6 netfilter support. He said that
there is no ipv6 state netfilter module or something like that.
  

In which case either you dont know what the OP is talking about, or he
doesnt know what he asked :D



Exactly!!!  What he's complaining about is the lack of lazy-man's GUI
tool to configure ip6tables.
  

Not so much as complaining, but looking at easy-of-use and time allocation.

I have done iptables by hand and have used a few tools. One thing I like 
about the tools I have found helpful is they have been good 'quick 
starts' for learning what to do by hand!


But my source is: 
http://www.guug.de/veranstaltungen/ecai6-2007/slides/2007-ECAI6-Status-IPv6-Firewalling-PeterBieringer-Talk.pdf


Peter, who has been involved with IPv6 for a long time, covers NetFilter 
on slide 8 and claims stateful support added in 2.6.20. Elsewhere I 
found a reference that RHel would get this end-of-year 2008, and Fedora 
Core 6 has it now. I looked in my /boot and saw that Centos is using 
2.6.18, and I concluded from all this that I would have to work with FC6 
for the next half year. Seems this conclusion is mis-informed if this 
NetFilter feature got backported already

Are you absolutely sure that FWBuilder doesn't support IPv6?  Because
here there a release note
http://www.fwbuilder.org/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html
referring to ip6tables.
  
I also saw that FWBuilder supports IPv6. But if the kernel only supports 
stateless, then that is all you can do with FWBuider, I would think. My 
one review of FWBuilder was that it was more than I needed at the time 
and Shorewall would handle my needs for my one VoIP firewall. Well I 
learned a lot using Shorewall. And Shorewall does NOT have IPv6 support, 
I asked on their list.


So now I go and build a box and see if I got enough to get the job done.
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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-30 Thread Christopher Chan



Exactly!!!  What he's complaining about is the lack of lazy-man's GUI
tool to configure ip6tables.


I may be ethnic Chinese but I grew in Sierra Leone and English is what I 
use from day to day and I cannot read Chinese characters...or do not 
recognise enough to claim literacy anyway.




Are you absolutely sure that FWBuilder doesn't support IPv6?  Because
here there a release note
http://www.fwbuilder.org/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html
referring to ip6tables.




When did I or the OP say there was absolutely no ipv6 support?
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[CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-29 Thread Robert Moskowitz
We have kernel support for IPv6 in Centos, but not stateful firewall 
support.


That requires at least the 2.6.20 kernel, which means Fedora Core 6 or 
some other Linux distro.


None of the various free Linux firewalls have IPv6 support.  Supposedly 
FWBuilder can manage Netfilters for a Linux Kernel, but that seems to be 
the extent of it.


More sad facts as I uncover them.


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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-29 Thread Christopher Chan

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
We have kernel support for IPv6 in Centos, but not stateful firewall 
support.


That requires at least the 2.6.20 kernel, which means Fedora Core 6 or 
some other Linux distro.


None of the various free Linux firewalls have IPv6 support.  Supposedly 
FWBuilder can manage Netfilters for a Linux Kernel, but that seems to be 
the extent of it.


More sad facts as I uncover them.


Just use openbsd. We cannot expect Linux to rule everything. Use what 
best fits the job.

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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-29 Thread Matt Shields
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Christopher Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Robert Moskowitz wrote:

 We have kernel support for IPv6 in Centos, but not stateful firewall
 support.

 That requires at least the 2.6.20 kernel, which means Fedora Core 6 or
 some other Linux distro.

 None of the various free Linux firewalls have IPv6 support.  Supposedly
 FWBuilder can manage Netfilters for a Linux Kernel, but that seems to be the
 extent of it.

 More sad facts as I uncover them.

 Just use openbsd. We cannot expect Linux to rule everything. Use what best
 fits the job.

Not sure about FC6, but in both CentOS 4  5 there is an ip6tables.  I
haven't used it, but I'm assuming that you can build rules just like
you do with iptables.

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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-29 Thread Rob Townley
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Matt Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Christopher Chan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 
  We have kernel support for IPv6 in Centos, but not stateful firewall
  support.
 
  That requires at least the 2.6.20 kernel, which means Fedora Core 6 or
  some other Linux distro.
 
  None of the various free Linux firewalls have IPv6 support.  Supposedly
  FWBuilder can manage Netfilters for a Linux Kernel, but that seems to be
 the
  extent of it.
 
  More sad facts as I uncover them.
 
  Just use openbsd. We cannot expect Linux to rule everything. Use what
 best
  fits the job.

 Not sure about FC6, but in both CentOS 4  5 there is an ip6tables.  I
 haven't used it, but I'm assuming that you can build rules just like
 you do with iptables.

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My dd-wrt web page has a IPv6 checkbox, but don't know what it does.  i am
shunning IPv6 bc securing the private side of a NAT is hard enough.
Securing IPv6 seems much much much tougher.
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Re: [CentOS] Learning some sad things about the state of IPv6

2008-05-29 Thread Christopher Chan

Matt Shields wrote:

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Christopher Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

We have kernel support for IPv6 in Centos, but not stateful firewall
support.




Not sure about FC6, but in both CentOS 4  5 there is an ip6tables.  I
haven't used it, but I'm assuming that you can build rules just like
you do with iptables.



The OP is not saying there is no ipv6 netfilter support. He said that 
there is no ipv6 state netfilter module or something like that.

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