Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thursday 03 July 2008 22:12:10 Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting > > through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message > > she's getting says > > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit > > Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan > > > > I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to > > look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can > > someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks > > > > I have reams of documentation printed out. I'll start wading through > > that tomorrow, but time is of the essence with this one. > > > # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf > message_size_limit = 256000 > mailbox_size_limit = 512000 > I see that the defaults are mailbox_size_limit = 5120 message_size_limit = 1024 and she was trying to send me a ~5MB attachment! Sorted, now, thanks Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 04 July 2008 17:45:33 Mark Weaver wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2008 23:05:19 nate wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size of the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I haven't a clue what she can see there. :-) Don't forget to account for encoding overhead, which can be up to 30% (maybe more). That's the bit I thought I'd have to guess. Thanks for the estimate. why not setup a vsFTPd account for her to upload to? much easier to deal with and can be chroot'd, and used by others as well. files go directly to file system as opposed to having to be processed by MTA. When clients ask me this same kind of question I generally tell them there's a lot of good reasons why the internet standard for a 5MB attachment limit, and if folks need to send files larger than that, then FTP services are better suited for such things. You haven't met my daughter :-) I'm not saying that she's stubborn, but Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos :) I know what you mean. I have a few clients like that. When I explain to them it's less trouble and effort they soon come around. -- Mark Ignorance, like Reality, is a matter of perspective. - If more people used Linux, Gas would be cheaper! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Friday 04 July 2008 17:45:33 Mark Weaver wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Thursday 03 July 2008 23:05:19 nate wrote: > >> Anne Wilson wrote: > >>> So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes > >>> the really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the > >>> size of the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo > >>> mailer, and I haven't a clue what she can see there. :-) > >> > >> Don't forget to account for encoding overhead, which can be up to 30% > >> (maybe more). > > > > That's the bit I thought I'd have to guess. Thanks for the estimate. > > > why not setup a vsFTPd account for her to upload to? much easier to deal > with and can be chroot'd, and used by others as well. files go directly > to file system as opposed to having to be processed by MTA. When clients > ask me this same kind of question I generally tell them there's a lot of > good reasons why the internet standard for a 5MB attachment limit, and > if folks need to send files larger than that, then FTP services are > better suited for such things. You haven't met my daughter :-) I'm not saying that she's stubborn, but Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2008 23:05:19 nate wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size of the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I haven't a clue what she can see there. :-) Don't forget to account for encoding overhead, which can be up to 30% (maybe more). That's the bit I thought I'd have to guess. Thanks for the estimate. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos why not setup a vsFTPd account for her to upload to? much easier to deal with and can be chroot'd, and used by others as well. files go directly to file system as opposed to having to be processed by MTA. When clients ask me this same kind of question I generally tell them there's a lot of good reasons why the internet standard for a 5MB attachment limit, and if folks need to send files larger than that, then FTP services are better suited for such things. -- Mark Ignorance, like Reality, is a matter of perspective. - If more people used Linux, Gas would be cheaper! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
Anne Wilson wrote: > So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the > really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size of > the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I > haven't a clue what she can see there. :-( See how large the file is and add around a third of that size to get the "real" size of that attachment. Ralph pgpVh1LV7rSAJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thursday 03 July 2008 22:29:55 Jim Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting > > through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message > > she's getting says > > Much as I dislike getting or giving "you asked for x, but here's how > to do it with y" I'm going to do so here. > > Email is one of those things which is great for small files, and such, > but large transfers can cause issues at pretty much every aspect of > the trip. If you've already got a webserver running, add a password > protected area for uploads. You can even set it up to allow webdav > style transfers over https. This avoids any mail handling delays, lets > both parties know it got there successfully, and keeps the clutter out > of the mailserver. I wouldn't dream of sending big files like that by email, but this is a windows user who 'wants to get things done, not play with computers'. Her experience is that she can send a big pdf to her printers, so she wouldn't think that he sets his mailbox to accept unusually large files. As far as she's concerned, I'm at fault. She even read the 'Message size exceeds fixed limit' as meaning that my inbox was full. It's no good trying to tell her about better ways. She wouldn't see that as part of her work. Thanks to list members I'll get the file thiis morning. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thursday 03 July 2008 23:05:19 nate wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the > > really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size > > of the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I > > haven't a clue what she can see there. :-) > > Don't forget to account for encoding overhead, which can be up to 30% > (maybe more). > That's the bit I thought I'd have to guess. Thanks for the estimate. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thursday 03 July 2008 22:33:34 Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Thursday 03 July 2008 22:12:10 Craig White wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is > > > > getting through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. > > > > The message she's getting says > > > > > > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) > > > > failed: > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit > > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan > > > > > > > > I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where > > > > to look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. > > > > Can someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks > > > > > > > > I have reams of documentation printed out. I'll start wading through > > > > that tomorrow, but time is of the essence with this one. > > > > > > > > > # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf > > > message_size_limit = 256000 > > > mailbox_size_limit = 512000 > > > > So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the > > really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size > > of the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I > > haven't a clue what she can see there. :-( > > > get 'properties' (usually a right click on the file) of the file she's > attaching > I've already told her that I'll settle for that, but I'll have to guess the 'overheads'. I know that to attach a 50k file, for instance, raises the size of the message by a lot more than 50k. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
Anne Wilson wrote: > So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the > really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size of > the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I > haven't a clue what she can see there. :-) Don't forget to account for encoding overhead, which can be up to 30% (maybe more). nate ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 03 July 2008 22:12:10 Craig White wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting > > > through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message > > > she's getting says > > > > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan > > > > > > I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to > > > look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can > > > someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks > > > > > > I have reams of documentation printed out. I'll start wading through > > > that tomorrow, but time is of the essence with this one. > > > > > > # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf > > message_size_limit = 256000 > > mailbox_size_limit = 512000 > > > So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the > really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size of > the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I > haven't a clue what she can see there. :-( get 'properties' (usually a right click on the file) of the file she's attaching Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting > through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message > she's getting says Much as I dislike getting or giving "you asked for x, but here's how to do it with y" I'm going to do so here. Email is one of those things which is great for small files, and such, but large transfers can cause issues at pretty much every aspect of the trip. If you've already got a webserver running, add a password protected area for uploads. You can even set it up to allow webdav style transfers over https. This avoids any mail handling delays, lets both parties know it got there successfully, and keeps the clutter out of the mailserver. -- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 14:21 -0700, John Thomas wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf > > message_size_limit = 256000 > > mailbox_size_limit = 512000 > Is that 2.5 TB? I must be getting old. When I was young, I thought > 10MB was big. ;-) what's zero but a placeholder ? I think I do have 2 too many. Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thursday 03 July 2008 22:12:10 Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting > > through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message > > she's getting says > > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit > > Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan > > > > I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to > > look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can > > someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks > > > > I have reams of documentation printed out. I'll start wading through > > that tomorrow, but time is of the essence with this one. > > > # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf > message_size_limit = 256000 > mailbox_size_limit = 512000 > So 'size_limit' is what I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. Now comes the really hard bit. I have to tell her, blindfolded, how to tell the size of the message she is sending. She uses btinternet's yahoo mailer, and I haven't a clue what she can see there. :-( Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
Craig White wrote: # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf message_size_limit = 256000 mailbox_size_limit = 512000 Is that 2.5 TB? I must be getting old. When I was young, I thought 10MB was big. -- Sincerely, John Thomas ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks postfix (main.cf): message_size_limit= sendmail (sendmail.mc): define(`confMAX_MESSAGE_SIZE', `') sendmail will need a 'make' to be run in the conf dir (probably /etc/mail) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit > Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan > > I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to look. > Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can someone > please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks If it's postfix, the parameter is message_size_limit -- the default is 1024 (10MB) if it's not explicitly configured. This parameter goes in main.cf. M ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting > through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message > she's getting says > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit > Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan > > I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to look. > Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can someone > please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks > > I have reams of documentation printed out. I'll start wading through that > tomorrow, but time is of the essence with this one. # grep size_limit /etc/postfix/main.cf message_size_limit = 256000 mailbox_size_limit = 512000 Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Message size rejected
Anne Wilson wrote: A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks I believe the following is about 30MB in postfix. mailbox_size_limit = 3000 message_size_limit = 3000 -- Sincerely, John Thomas ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Message size rejected
My daughter needs to send me a large file. It appears that it is getting through my ISP, but being rejected on my CentOS mail server. The message she's getting says A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit Reporting-MTA: dns; borg2.lydgate.lan I presume that this is a configurable limit, but I'm not sure where to look. Since it says MTA I'm thinking that it's probably postfix. Can someone please tell me what parameter I'm looking for? Thanks I have reams of documentation printed out. I'll start wading through that tomorrow, but time is of the essence with this one. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
