[CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
on 7-30-2008 7:36 AM Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu spake the following: Hi All, The subject says it all. I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to be buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1). I'm putting up with it for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :( My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until CentOS 6 comes out. I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's upstream is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new! When CentOS 6 hits, I will be using it for my work laptop. I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if I want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6. Regards, Ranbir Very hard to tell until upstream sets a freezepoint. It is usually based on whatever Fedora is current at that time. So it is probably a tossup between 9 and 10 looking at the projected date of release. I doubt that RedHat would release a real buggy enterprise version because they have to support it. But then in my opinion all Fedoras have been buggy in some way, usually because of the settling time for all the new stuff that gets dropped in. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
on 7-30-2008 3:39 PM Ross S. W. Walker spake the following: I have always wanted a distro in-between long term support and cutting edge. Say one that uses the kernel/command line part of a long term distro and the gui and gui apps of a cutting edge distro (maybe 1 back from the cutting edge). An kernel upgrade cycle of say 3 years, but a GUI that stays current within it's release. Current within the Distro's release, or current to the GUI's release? Cutting edge is sort of the middle. On both sides you have bleeding edge and Enterprise stable. Then on the bottom you have stale and locked I think the API's and ABI's change radically in the two mainstream GUI's (Gnome and KDE). It would be a juggling act to balance their upgrades and the re-compile and re-download of all the binaries that hook into them. I think Gentoo is much closer to this then anything else, but if you leave a system too long, they can get so out of sync that they won't upgrade through portage anymore. But Gentoo upgrades the kernel along with everything else. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
on 7-30-2008 4:29 PM Les Mikesell spake the following: Scott Silva wrote: I have always wanted a distro in-between long term support and cutting edge. Say one that uses the kernel/command line part of a long term distro and the gui and gui apps of a cutting edge distro (maybe 1 back from the cutting edge). An kernel upgrade cycle of say 3 years, but a GUI that stays current within it's release. Current within the Distro's release, or current to the GUI's release? Cutting edge is sort of the middle. On both sides you have bleeding edge and Enterprise stable. Then on the bottom you have stale and locked At least with Centos getting a fairly current firefox and OOo in the 5.2 update things aren't quite as stale on the desktop as usual. I think the API's and ABI's change radically in the two mainstream GUI's (Gnome and KDE). It would be a juggling act to balance their upgrades and the re-compile and re-download of all the binaries that hook into them. I think Gentoo is much closer to this then anything else, but if you leave a system too long, they can get so out of sync that they won't upgrade through portage anymore. But Gentoo upgrades the kernel along with everything else. Couldn't it be mostly-automated to build a just slightly outdated fedora desktop (everything that depends on the KDE or GNOME libs) on top of an otherwise stock Centos? You can get a fairly current KDE from their repo, but it will change base a lot. There are surprisingly a lot of packages in RHEL and CentOS that are linked to libraries that Gnome and KDE change with new versions. So you would either need a bunch of compat-xxx rpms or new binaries of all that. It could be automated, but you better have a good buildserver and someone to test what comes out. And as always, you would get to keep any broken pieces. GTK libs, gnome libs, kde libs all change often. And newer versions are usually tested with newer versions of compilers and base libs, so you would need to update those too. I have seen bugs appear just with new versions of the GCC compiler, and they can be hard to track down. It would be a project for more than one person, and it would be a busy one for all of them. I see how much work the CentOS team puts in, and they are starting from a fairly complete and tested base. Just imagine if they went in and "poked the bear with a stick" a lot. If you have the time, give it a try. But be prepared for a lot of work and little help. Long nights and thankless users that whine at everything (it only takes 1 or 2 to get your blood boiling, I've seen it happen here). No free time and no money to pay for hosting bills. Angry wives and children that feel neglected. Bad breath... Warts... Flatulence... The list goes on and on ;-P -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
Scott Silva wrote: I have always wanted a distro in-between long term support and cutting edge. Say one that uses the kernel/command line part of a long term distro and the gui and gui apps of a cutting edge distro (maybe 1 back from the cutting edge). An kernel upgrade cycle of say 3 years, but a GUI that stays current within it's release. Current within the Distro's release, or current to the GUI's release? Cutting edge is sort of the middle. On both sides you have bleeding edge and Enterprise stable. Then on the bottom you have stale and locked At least with Centos getting a fairly current firefox and OOo in the 5.2 update things aren't quite as stale on the desktop as usual. I think the API's and ABI's change radically in the two mainstream GUI's (Gnome and KDE). It would be a juggling act to balance their upgrades and the re-compile and re-download of all the binaries that hook into them. I think Gentoo is much closer to this then anything else, but if you leave a system too long, they can get so out of sync that they won't upgrade through portage anymore. But Gentoo upgrades the kernel along with everything else. Couldn't it be mostly-automated to build a just slightly outdated fedora desktop (everything that depends on the KDE or GNOME libs) on top of an otherwise stock Centos? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
Les Mikesell wrote: > Couldn't it be mostly-automated to build a just slightly outdated fedora > desktop (everything that depends on the KDE or GNOME libs) on top of an > otherwise stock Centos? I think you may be vastly underestimating the number of packages that would touch, and the amount of integration work involved.. Especially as time goes on, the amount of packages would likely increase as dependencies of the newer things continue to evolve(newer versions etc). nate ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:09 -0700, Scott Silva wrote: > > Cutting edge is sort of the middle. On both sides you have bleeding edge and > Enterprise stable. Then on the bottom you have stale and locked And in the middle of the two cutting edges is raw meat. It's not the edges that are bleeding, it's the victim in between (or on) the cutting/bleeding edge(s). One chooses to be a masochist or not. > -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:22 AM, William L. Maltby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:09 -0700, Scott Silva wrote: > >> Cutting edge is sort of the middle. On both sides you have bleeding edge and >> Enterprise stable. Then on the bottom you have stale and locked > > And in the middle of the two cutting edges is raw meat. It's not the > edges that are bleeding, it's the victim in between (or on) the > cutting/bleeding edge(s). > > One chooses to be a masochist or not. > Oh, wow! I thought "bleeding edge" was, like, a British curse. Thanks! ;^) mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
