[CentOS] Re: clustered mail server?

2008-05-20 Thread Scott Silva

on 5-18-2008 3:17 PM Tom Diehl spake the following:

On Sun, 18 May 2008, Guy Boisvert wrote:


Ruslan Sivak wrote:

David G. Mackay wrote:
I'm not sure why nobody has asked this yet, but why not try hosted 
GMail instead?  It's free and you can use it with your domain name.  
We currently run a linux based mail server, but are thinking of 
migrating over to hosted GMail, and have one so for a few clients 
already with no problems.


Russ




Well, i just hope you don't have anything secret or sensitive...  With 
their search power, it's very easy to automate the info harvesting!


If you are sending secret or sensitive information via unencrypted email 
you

already have a bigger problem then weather or not google is harvesting
info. Email by design is insecure. Why anyone would believe otherwise
is unclear to me. If you are encrypting it than I would argue that it 
does not

matter if google tries to harvest information from it.

I think I would be more afraid of them selling my contact list to spammers 
along with every one else's. If the profits get low enough, almost any 
corporation could stoop this low to make the stockholders happy.


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You hope everybody uses it, and
you notice quickly if they don't



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Re: [CentOS] Re: clustered mail server?

2008-05-19 Thread Paul Heinlein

On Sun, 18 May 2008, Tom Diehl wrote:

If you are sending secret or sensitive information via unencrypted 
email you already have a bigger problem then weather or not google 
is harvesting info. Email by design is insecure. Why anyone would 
believe otherwise is unclear to me. If you are encrypting it than I 
would argue that it does not matter if google tries to harvest 
information from it.


There's data and then there's metadata. The former, as you note, can 
be protected via standard encryption techniques. The latter -- e.g., 
who sent messages to whom and when -- might be just as important, and 
it's not possible to encrypt.


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[CentOS] Re: clustered mail server?

2008-05-18 Thread Tom Diehl

On Sun, 18 May 2008, Guy Boisvert wrote:


Ruslan Sivak wrote:

David G. Mackay wrote:
I'm not sure why nobody has asked this yet, but why not try hosted GMail 
instead?  It's free and you can use it with your domain name.  We currently 
run a linux based mail server, but are thinking of migrating over to hosted 
GMail, and have one so for a few clients already with no problems.


Russ




Well, i just hope you don't have anything secret or sensitive...  With their 
search power, it's very easy to automate the info harvesting!


If you are sending secret or sensitive information via unencrypted email you
already have a bigger problem then weather or not google is harvesting
info. Email by design is insecure. Why anyone would believe otherwise
is unclear to me. If you are encrypting it than I would argue that it does not
matter if google tries to harvest information from it.

Regards,

Tom Diehl   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Spamtrap address [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]

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Re: [CentOS] Re: clustered mail server?

2008-05-18 Thread Guy Boisvert

Tom Diehl wrote:

On Sun, 18 May 2008, Guy Boisvert wrote:




Well, i just hope you don't have anything secret or sensitive...
With their search power, it's very easy to automate the info
harvesting!


If you are sending secret or sensitive information via unencrypted
email you already have a bigger problem then weather or not google is
harvesting info. Email by design is insecure. Why anyone would
believe otherwise is unclear to me. If you are encrypting it than I
would argue that it does not matter if google tries to harvest
information from it.

Regards,

Tom Diehl[EMAIL PROTECTED]Spamtrap address



Good point.  Does Google supports encryption?

On top of that, Echelon is listening...  As for unencrypted emails, 
it's child play.



Guy Boisvert, ing.
IngTegration inc.
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Re: [CentOS] Re: clustered mail server?

2008-05-18 Thread Ross Cavanagh

Guy Boisvert wrote:

Good point.  Does Google supports encryption?

On top of that, Echelon is listening...  As for unencrypted emails, 
it's child play.



Guy Boisvert, ing.
IngTegration inc.

They have pretty good information available on the various versions you 
can use.


http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/var_1a.html

But of course, if you want all the bells and whistles to go along with 
it, you have to purchase the premier edition.


-Ross-

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Re: [CentOS] Re: clustered mail server?

2008-05-18 Thread Martyn Drake
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Guy Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good point.  Does Google supports encryption?

 On top of that, Echelon is listening...  As for unencrypted emails, it's
 child play.

A couple of points.

1) Regardless of whether or not Google can look into people's emails,
it should be pointed out that the same could be said of so can many
ISPs and specialised email hosting providers from whom people have
their email hosted.  I understand that Google deploys some form of
encrypted filesystem for Gmail's store, but couldn't tell you much
beyond that.

You want your mail store to be secure - host it yourself and apply
whatever encryption methods you see fit.

2) There is a plug-in for Firefox which will give your GPG
capabilities with Gmail:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Encrypt-your-Gmail-Email/

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