Re: [CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread m . roth 
Alexander Dalloz wrote:
> Am 16.09.2013 22:06, schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us:
>> Most of the time since last Thursday or so, that piece of crap called
>> Nixnet (ix.manitu) has been blocking my hosting provider's mailservers.
>
> I see you in rage mode, though I like to totally disagree. The
> ix.dnsbl.manitu.net RBL is doing a great job.
>
>> I did ask, when I talked to support last week, and they host *millions*
>> of domains. They do not have a million techs (neither does google - but
I'm
>> *sure* none of you have ever gotten spam from google mail, right?).
>
> Like nobody ever got SPAM from hotmail, nor yahoo. Right, nobody ever.
>
>> Again, I'll give my argument that blocking a mailserver, rather than a
>> domain has been the *WRONG* answer for at least 15 or more years. A
>> dozen or so years ago, they blocked Chicago roadrunner... which
provided 'Net
>> access and email to about half the City of Chicago, IL, USA, which,
>> Karanbir, is about a quarter the size of the London metro area, so we're
>> talking hundreds of thousands of people.
>
> A mailserver which permits to send out SPAM has to be blocked. Period.
> Well, it is not the server itself being guilty, it is the postmaster
> being responsible.

Which is *exactly* why it's the *wrong* answer these days.
>
>> Now, in days after massive consolidation of ISPs (even the Canadian ISP
>> that userfriendly's Columbia Internet has bee bought and closed up),
>> this means that they're blocking telcos and giant hosting providers.
>
> Vote with your money if your email provider does not do a good job.

They do. 95+% of the time. With that many domains, if scum open an
account, then send out spam, or someone's home system gets infected, and
they wind up sending it out, it takes a while to catch it - are you going
to argue that?

And yet Nix blocks the central mailserver.
>
>> I'm really, REALLY tired of being blocked when a couple dozen domains,
>> hiding out in millions of them at one hosting provider, results in a few
>> million people being blocked from sending email.
>
> I am glad if SPAM proliferation hosts get listed.

So, google and yahoo and others should be blocked, also? Or is it only all
mailservers that are not the size of those that should all be punished?

No. Block domains.

mark

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Re: [CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread m . roth 
John R Pierce wrote:
> On 9/16/2013 1:29 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> No. Block domains.
> how?  90%+ of spam has forged FROM addresses.
>From crap in my trash from today:

Received: from [206.214.95.82] (port=57577 helo=03e6231b.buhlgymgagate.us)
 by host290.hostmonster.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80)
 (envelope-from )
 id 1VLfOH-0003sR-20
 for m.r...@5-cent.us; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:27:25 -0600
Received: by 03e6231b.bw31almxu.buhlgymgagate.us
 (amavisd-new, port 10268) with ESMTP id 03NGCCNSDRE623JKCXHVTJ1B; for
; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:27:24 -0700
To: m.r...@5-cent.us
List-Unsubscribe:
,

X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
From: "Kohls Gift Card Survey" 

So, it looks like mmm, (check whois) Jeff Martinez should be blocked at
buhlgymgagate.us. On the other hand, I look at the headers to one of my
posts, and I see that it's coming from, ta-da, 5-cent.us. If I were
sending out spam, then you'd be perfectly justified in blocking 5-cent.us.

mark




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Re: [CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread John R Pierce 
On 9/16/2013 1:53 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Received: from [206.214.95.82] (port=57577 helo=03e6231b.buhlgymgagate.us)
>   by host290.hostmonster.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80)
>   (envelope-from)
>   id 1VLfOH-0003sR-20
>   form.r...@5-cent.us; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:27:25 -0600
> Received: by 03e6231b.bw31almxu.buhlgymgagate.us
>   (amavisd-new, port 10268) with ESMTP id 03NGCCNSDRE623JKCXHVTJ1B; for
> ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:27:24 -0700
> To:m.r...@5-cent.us
> List-Unsubscribe:
> ,
> 
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> From: "Kohls Gift Card Survey"
>
> So, it looks like mmm, (check whois) Jeff Martinez should be blocked at
> buhlgymgagate.us. On the other hand, I look at the headers to one of my
> posts, and I see that it's coming from, ta-da, 5-cent.us. If I were
> sending out spam, then you'd be perfectly justified in blocking 5-cent.us.

assuming host290.hostmonster.com is considered a trustworthy server by 
you, that spam came from 206.214.95.82, which whois says is...
Sendrillion CUST-NETBLK-PHX-206-214-95-64-27-2332 (NET-206-214-95-64-1) 
206.214.95.64 - 206.214.95.95

anything else in the headers is forgable.   that said, the domain name 
used by that spam was registered yesterday.   its a throwaway account.

-- 
john r pierce  37N 122W
somewhere on the middle of the left coast

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Re: [CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread John R Pierce 
On 9/16/2013 1:29 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> No. Block domains.

how?  90%+ of spam has forged FROM addresses.





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Re: [CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread m . roth 
John R Pierce wrote:
> On 9/16/2013 1:53 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Received: from [206.214.95.82] (port=57577
>> helo=03e6231b.buhlgymgagate.us)
>>   by host290.hostmonster.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80)
>>   (envelope-from)
>>   id 1VLfOH-0003sR-20
>>   form.r...@5-cent.us; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:27:25 -0600
>> Received: by 03e6231b.bw31almxu.buhlgymgagate.us
>>   (amavisd-new, port 10268) with ESMTP id 03NGCCNSDRE623JKCXHVTJ1B;
>> for
>> ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:27:24 -0700
>> To:m.r...@5-cent.us
>> List-Unsubscribe:
>> ,
>> 
>> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>> From: "Kohls Gift Card Survey"
>>
>> So, it looks like mmm, (check whois) Jeff Martinez should be blocked at
>> buhlgymgagate.us. On the other hand, I look at the headers to one of my
>> posts, and I see that it's coming from, ta-da, 5-cent.us. If I were
>> sending out spam, then you'd be perfectly justified in blocking
>> 5-cent.us.
>
> assuming host290.hostmonster.com is considered a trustworthy server by
> you, that spam came from 206.214.95.82, which whois says is...
> Sendrillion CUST-NETBLK-PHX-206-214-95-64-27-2332 (NET-206-214-95-64-1)
> 206.214.95.64 - 206.214.95.95
>
> anything else in the headers is forgable.   that said, the domain name
> used by that spam was registered yesterday.   its a throwaway account.

Fine - so name a hosting provider, reasonably large, with reasonable
prices, that is NEVER blocked by Nixnet. In the US. That is not about to
be bought out. That has enough staff to catch all spam before it goes out.

mark

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Re: [CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread Alexander Dalloz 
Am 16.09.2013 22:06, schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us:
> Most of the time since last Thursday or so, that piece of crap called
> Nixnet (ix.manitu) has been blocking my hosting provider's mailservers.

I see you in rage mode, though I like to totally disagree. The
ix.dnsbl.manitu.net RBL is doing a great job.

> I did ask, when I talked to support last week, and they host *millions* of
> domains. They do not have a million techs (neither does google - but I'm
> *sure* none of you have ever gotten spam from google mail, right?).

Like nobody ever got SPAM from hotmail, nor yahoo. Right, nobody ever.

> Again, I'll give my argument that blocking a mailserver, rather than a
> domain has been the *WRONG* answer for at least 15 or more years. A dozen
> or so years ago, they blocked Chicago roadrunner... which provided 'Net
> access and email to about half the City of Chicago, IL, USA, which,
> Karanbir, is about a quarter the size of the London metro area, so we're
> talking hundreds of thousands of people.

A mailserver which permits to send out SPAM has to be blocked. Period.
Well, it is not the server itself being guilty, it is the postmaster
being responsible.

> Now, in days after massive consolidation of ISPs (even the Canadian ISP
> that userfriendly's Columbia Internet has bee bought and closed up), this
> means that they're blocking telcos and giant hosting providers.

Vote with your money if your email provider does not do a good job.

> I'm really, REALLY tired of being blocked when a couple dozen domains,
> hiding out in millions of them at one hosting provider, results in a few
> million people being blocked from sending email.

I am glad if SPAM proliferation hosts get listed.

>   mark

There is no need to respond to this mail.

Alexander

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[CentOS] This is a test of Nixnet blocking

2013-09-16 Thread m . roth 
Most of the time since last Thursday or so, that piece of crap called
Nixnet (ix.manitu) has been blocking my hosting provider's mailservers.

I did ask, when I talked to support last week, and they host *millions* of
domains. They do not have a million techs (neither does google - but I'm
*sure* none of you have ever gotten spam from google mail, right?).

Again, I'll give my argument that blocking a mailserver, rather than a
domain has been the *WRONG* answer for at least 15 or more years. A dozen
or so years ago, they blocked Chicago roadrunner... which provided 'Net
access and email to about half the City of Chicago, IL, USA, which,
Karanbir, is about a quarter the size of the London metro area, so we're
talking hundreds of thousands of people.

Now, in days after massive consolidation of ISPs (even the Canadian ISP
that userfriendly's Columbia Internet has bee bought and closed up), this
means that they're blocking telcos and giant hosting providers.

I'm really, REALLY tired of being blocked when a couple dozen domains,
hiding out in millions of them at one hosting provider, results in a few
million people being blocked from sending email.

  mark

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