[CentOS] Trying to justify CentOS vs. RHEL

2013-05-07 Thread Bidwell, Christopher
Hi all,

I'm in the process of moving all of my RHEL systems over to CentOS but the
argument that fires back at me is for critical vulnerabilities for items
such as zero-day exploits and such.
From what I've been reading, RHEL releases critical patches much quicker
than CentOS which makes sense since CentOS is simply a copy and when
changes occur they propagate down to the RHEL clones.  My question is what
kind of time frame are we looking at when a vulnerability (critical or
high) is announced and a patch has been released for RHEL does it get
implemented into CentOS?

Thanks!
Chris
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Re: [CentOS] Trying to justify CentOS vs. RHEL

2013-05-07 Thread Yves Bellefeuille
On Tuesday 07 May 2013, Bidwell, Christopher cbidw...@usgs.gov 
wrote:

 My question is what kind of time frame are we looking at when a 
 vulnerability (critical or high) is announced and a patch has been 
 released for RHEL does it get implemented into CentOS?

From the FAQ, http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General:

 2. How long after Red Hat publishes a fix does it take for CentOS to
 publish a fix?

 Our goal is to have individual RPM packages available on the mirrors
 within 72 hours of their release, and normally they are available
 within 24 hours. Occasionally packages are delayed for various
 reasons. On rare occasions packages may be built and pushed to the
 mirrors but not available via yum. (This is because yum-arch has not
 been run on the master mirror. This may happen when issues with
 upstream packages are discovered shortly after their release, and if
 releasing the package would break it's functionality.)

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Re: [CentOS] Trying to justify CentOS vs. RHEL

2013-05-07 Thread Bidwell, Christopher
Thanks for that quick response!  I guess I should have looked closer
through the wiki.  Much appreciated!


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Yves Bellefeuille y...@storm.ca wrote:

 On Tuesday 07 May 2013, Bidwell, Christopher cbidw...@usgs.gov
 wrote:

  My question is what kind of time frame are we looking at when a
  vulnerability (critical or high) is announced and a patch has been
  released for RHEL does it get implemented into CentOS?

 From the FAQ, http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General:

  2. How long after Red Hat publishes a fix does it take for CentOS to
  publish a fix?
 
  Our goal is to have individual RPM packages available on the mirrors
  within 72 hours of their release, and normally they are available
  within 24 hours. Occasionally packages are delayed for various
  reasons. On rare occasions packages may be built and pushed to the
  mirrors but not available via yum. (This is because yum-arch has not
  been run on the master mirror. This may happen when issues with
  upstream packages are discovered shortly after their release, and if
  releasing the package would break it's functionality.)

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 Mekaro en Otavo, Kanado, 18-20 majo 2013: http://mekaro.ca/

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Re: [CentOS] Trying to justify CentOS vs. RHEL

2013-05-07 Thread m . roth
Bidwell, Christopher wrote:
 Thanks for that quick response!  I guess I should have looked closer
 through the wiki.  Much appreciated!

Please don't top post.

One suggestion: if you have a number of systems, buy at least one RHEL
license - that way, you can ask for enhancements, bugfixes, and such from
them.

That's how we got US gov't PIV card support from them. Most of our systems
are CentOS, though

   mark

 On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Yves Bellefeuille y...@storm.ca wrote:

 On Tuesday 07 May 2013, Bidwell, Christopher cbidw...@usgs.gov
 wrote:

  My question is what kind of time frame are we looking at when a
  vulnerability (critical or high) is announced and a patch has been
  released for RHEL does it get implemented into CentOS?

 From the FAQ, http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General:

  2. How long after Red Hat publishes a fix does it take for CentOS to
  publish a fix?
 
  Our goal is to have individual RPM packages available on the mirrors
  within 72 hours of their release, and normally they are available
  within 24 hours. Occasionally packages are delayed for various
  reasons. On rare occasions packages may be built and pushed to the
  mirrors but not available via yum. (This is because yum-arch has not
  been run on the master mirror. This may happen when issues with
  upstream packages are discovered shortly after their release, and if
  releasing the package would break it's functionality.)

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 Mekaro en Otavo, Kanado, 18-20 majo 2013: http://mekaro.ca/

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Re: [CentOS] Trying to justify CentOS vs. RHEL

2013-05-07 Thread Jason Pyeron
 -Original Message-
 From: Bidwell, Christopher
 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 17:12
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm in the process of moving all of my RHEL systems over to 

Why all? Lets keep that question in the back of our minds.

 CentOS but the argument that fires back at me is for critical 
 vulnerabilities for items such as zero-day exploits and such.
 From what I've been reading, RHEL releases critical patches much 
 quicker

If zero day patches are important to maintain your accredidation on your systems
then you need to have a support plan. That plan can either be a commercial
services provider, vendor support contract (RHEL), or an in house team to
support the system.

Using a service provider other than RedHat is kind of silly since purchasing
from RedHat support CentOS.

Staying with RHEL is a non-change.

Having an in house support team will be much more expensive as you will have to
have staff for each of the packages on the system.

 than CentOS which makes sense since CentOS is simply a copy 
 and when changes occur they propagate down to the RHEL 
 clones.  My question is what kind of time frame are we 
 looking at when a vulnerability (critical or
 high) is announced and a patch has been released for RHEL 
 does it get implemented into CentOS?

It has always been fast enough for us, but if it were not, we would help by
providing patches to the SRPM to CentoOS development team.

For offical specifics, contact me off list.

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