Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-06 Thread Always Learning

On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 07:04 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:

> Back when grub2 oozed into Fedora, I made a small page, both as a reminder
> for myself and to stop repeating answers on the Fedora forums. 
> You probably don't need it, but just in case.
> 
> http://srobb.net/grub2.html


Brilliant. Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-06 Thread Scott Robbins
On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 12:11:47PM +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
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> On 06/06/15 12:04, Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 10:39:07AM +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Thanks, I'm used to grub, and had forgotten that grub2 doesn't
> >> read the config itself and needs the make config step.
> > Back when grub2 oozed into Fedora, I made a small page, both as a
> > reminder for myself and to stop repeating answers on the Fedora
> > forums. You probably don't need it, but just in case.
> > 
> > http://srobb.net/grub2.html
> > 
> > 
> Thanks again, there looks to be some useful pointers in there.  Duly
> saved for onward transmission to work.

Upon reading it, I see I wrote back with F16, so just made a few quick
updates.  If it looks different the next time you see it, that's why. :)


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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-06 Thread J Martin Rushton
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On 06/06/15 12:04, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 10:39:07AM +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks, I'm used to grub, and had forgotten that grub2 doesn't
>> read the config itself and needs the make config step.
> Back when grub2 oozed into Fedora, I made a small page, both as a
> reminder for myself and to stop repeating answers on the Fedora
> forums. You probably don't need it, but just in case.
> 
> http://srobb.net/grub2.html
> 
> 
Thanks again, there looks to be some useful pointers in there.  Duly
saved for onward transmission to work.
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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-06 Thread Scott Robbins
On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 10:39:07AM +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:



> Thanks, I'm used to grub, and had forgotten that grub2 doesn't read
> the config itself and needs the make config step.
Back when grub2 oozed into Fedora, I made a small page, both as a reminder
for myself and to stop repeating answers on the Fedora forums. 
You probably don't need it, but just in case.

http://srobb.net/grub2.html


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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-06 Thread J Martin Rushton
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On 05/06/15 23:48, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 10:35:49PM +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> If I wasn't already swamped with tasks I would offer to help.
>>> I appreciate all your dedicated hard work.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Quite apart from the aesthetics, is there any easy way to turn it
>> off in grub2?  I'd far rather see the boot-time messages.  It's
>> not too bad on a standard home machine, I can hit Esc, but
>> headless machines are a different matter.
> 
> Edit /etc/defaults/grub and remove rhgb quiet from the kernel line
> there.
> 
> Then run grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
> 
Thanks, I'm used to grub, and had forgotten that grub2 doesn't read
the config itself and needs the make config step.
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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-05 Thread Scott Robbins
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 10:35:49PM +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
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> 
> > 
> > If I wasn't already swamped with tasks I would offer to help.  I 
> > appreciate all your dedicated hard work.
> > 
> > 
> Quite apart from the aesthetics, is there any easy way to turn it off
> in grub2?  I'd far rather see the boot-time messages.  It's not too
> bad on a standard home machine, I can hit Esc, but headless machines
> are a different matter.

Edit /etc/defaults/grub and remove rhgb quiet from the kernel line there.

Then run grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-05 Thread J Martin Rushton
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On 05/06/15 21:43, Always Learning wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 21:18 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> 
> 
>> The CentOS theme looks just like the RHEL theme since there was
>> only a 7 and not any trademark reasons to change that theme.
> 
> Apologies. I forgot. Centos is the same as Red Hat minus the
> product branding. If a display is crap in Red Hat, then the Red Hat
> crap will manifest itself in Centos, minus the Red Hat branding.
> 
>> Remember, we have only 3 people doing CentOS Linux distro related
>> things .. and of the 3, only 1 (me) is full time maintaining of
>> distro packages.  The other 2 are concentrating on
>> Docker/Container/Cloud.
>> 
>> It isn't like we have a hundred (or even a dozen) engineers
>> working on CentOS.
> 
> If I wasn't already swamped with tasks I would offer to help.  I 
> appreciate all your dedicated hard work.
> 
> 
Quite apart from the aesthetics, is there any easy way to turn it off
in grub2?  I'd far rather see the boot-time messages.  It's not too
bad on a standard home machine, I can hit Esc, but headless machines
are a different matter.
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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-05 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 21:18 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:


> The CentOS theme looks just like the RHEL theme since there was only a 7
> and not any trademark reasons to change that theme.

Apologies. I forgot. Centos is the same as Red Hat minus the product
branding. If a display is crap in Red Hat, then the Red Hat crap will
manifest itself in Centos, minus the Red Hat branding.

> Remember, we have only 3 people doing CentOS Linux distro related things
> .. and of the 3, only 1 (me) is full time maintaining of distro
> packages.  The other 2 are concentrating on Docker/Container/Cloud.
> 
> It isn't like we have a hundred (or even a dozen) engineers working on
> CentOS.

If I wasn't already swamped with tasks I would offer to help.  I
appreciate all your dedicated hard work.


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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-04 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 06/04/2015 03:37 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 12:41 -0400, Mike - st257 wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
>>
> I thought the logo in CentOS-6 was very pleasant.
>>>
>>> The fact remains that booting was attractive, and now it isn't.
> 
> 
>> I'll agree that the boot splash change from EL6 to EL7 differs a lot.
>>
>> We're of differing opinion ... I see the boot splash "once every blue moon"
>> so it doesn't bother me.  It's certainly more modern looking in EL7, though
>> it does lack the indicator "ring" that shows granular boot progress.
> 
> The product's public image is important. Its part of the Centos
> experience. "Pleasant" items should be retained not indifferently
> discarded (because some adore Windoze).
> 

The CentOS theme looks just like the RHEL theme since there was only a 7
and not any trademark reasons to change that theme.

The goal of CentOS is to change the minimum amount of source code
possible ... so we didn't change it.  We did get the logo working on the
login screen with the latest updates.

If someone *WANTS* to figure out how to change the theme using the
git.centos.org source code, and if they recommend the changes via
patches using the git am format on the CentOS Devel mailing list, we
will certainly discuss those possible changes.

Remember, we have only 3 people doing CentOS Linux distro related things
.. and of the 3, only 1 (me) is full time maintaining of distro
packages.  The other 2 are concentrating on Docker/Container/Cloud.

It isn't like we have a hundred (or even a dozen) engineers working on
CentOS.



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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-04 Thread Always Learning

On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 12:41 -0400, Mike - st257 wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> 
> > >> I thought the logo in CentOS-6 was very pleasant.
> >
> > The fact remains that booting was attractive, and now it isn't.


> I'll agree that the boot splash change from EL6 to EL7 differs a lot.
> 
> We're of differing opinion ... I see the boot splash "once every blue moon"
> so it doesn't bother me.  It's certainly more modern looking in EL7, though
> it does lack the indicator "ring" that shows granular boot progress.

The product's public image is important. Its part of the Centos
experience. "Pleasant" items should be retained not indifferently
discarded (because some adore Windoze).

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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-04 Thread Mike - st257
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> Mike - st257 wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Timothy Murphy
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Has the CentOS logo disappeared from CentOS-7?
> >
> > You are referring to Plymouth splash screen while booting.
> >
> >> I thought the logo in CentOS-6 was very pleasant.
>
> Probably.
> The fact remains that booting was attractive, and now it isn't.


I'll agree that the boot splash change from EL6 to EL7 differs a lot.

We're of differing opinion ... I see the boot splash "once every blue moon"
so it doesn't bother me.  It's certainly more modern looking in EL7, though
it does lack the indicator "ring" that shows granular boot progress.

You can get/create and set different boot splash themes.
Maybe it's possible for you (or potentially someone already created it?) a
theme that gives you the "attractiveness" you desire.
http://www.tejasbarot.com/2009/01/19/enable-graphical-boot-with-plymouth/
http://theurbanpenguin.com/wp/?p=3227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4eiK7chQTo

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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Mike - st257 wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Timothy Murphy
>  wrote:
> 
>> Has the CentOS logo disappeared from CentOS-7?
> 
> You are referring to Plymouth splash screen while booting.
> 
>> I thought the logo in CentOS-6 was very pleasant.

Probably.
The fact remains that booting was attractive, and now it isn't.

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Re: [CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-03 Thread Mike - st257
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> Has the CentOS logo disappeared from CentOS-7?
>

You are referring to Plymouth splash screen while booting.


> I thought the logo in CentOS-6 was very pleasant.
>

The logo is in other areas of the desktop environment.


> Also I liked the way in which one increasing circle inside another
> showed how the boot was progressing.
>

There's a white spinner/throbber [like Mac OSX] to show the OS is loading.
I'll agree that until the OS is mostly booted that the spinner doesn't
change ... but with modern-ish hardware none of that lasts very many
seconds. ;-)


> The dots going round and round in Microsoft fashion in CentOS-7
> is a retrograde step, I think.

One always has the fear it might continue forever.
>

Doesn't bother me.  I expect my systems to be booted more often than not
and the boot splash is of less importance.


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[CentOS] What has happened to the CentOS logo?

2015-06-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Has the CentOS logo disappeared from CentOS-7?
I thought the logo in CentOS-6 was very pleasant.
Also I liked the way in which one increasing circle inside another
showed how the boot was progressing.
The dots going round and round in Microsoft fashion in CentOS-7
is a retrograde step, I think.
One always has the fear it might continue forever.

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