Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-04-01 Thread Brian Mathis
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Ray Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  My user
 data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are doing for
 things backing up os and configs.

  Any pointers on setting up rsync, cpio, etc would be appreciated.  Pointers
 to good how-to's especially welcome.

  Currently we're using Arkeia Network Backup (commercial product with which
 I am in no way affiliated), and it's great, but with disk space so cheap,
 I'd love to be able to take my current non-raid setup and find a way to get
 up and running quickly in the case of some failures.

  Thanks in advance,
  -Ray

The original guide (that I know of) for doing disk to disk backups
with rsync can be found here:
http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/

Then there's dirvish which I think it based on that method:
http://www.dirvish.org/

Next there's rdiff-backup, which can be found here:
http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/

I think there are some other rsync-related backups too.  I hear good
thing about the backup pc project.  http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
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[CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Ray Leventhal

Hi,

I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  My 
user data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are doing 
for things backing up os and configs.


Any pointers on setting up rsync, cpio, etc would be appreciated.  
Pointers to good how-to's especially welcome.


Currently we're using Arkeia Network Backup (commercial product with 
which I am in no way affiliated), and it's great, but with disk space so 
cheap, I'd love to be able to take my current non-raid setup and find a 
way to get up and running quickly in the case of some failures.


Thanks in advance,
-Ray

PS  -  sorry if this shows up twice...I posted on 29 March, but never 
saw it on the list :)

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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Alan Bartlett
On 31/03/2008, Ray Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 PS  -  sorry if this shows up twice...I posted on 29 March, but never
 saw it on the list :)


It did arrive on the list. :-D

Alan.
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Ray Leventhal

Barry Brimer wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  
My user data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are 
doing for things backing up os and configs.



snip

Have you looked at rsnapshot http://www.rsnapshot.org ??


Hi Barry,

Thanks for the reply and link.  I'm looking this over right now.

-Ray
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Ray Leventhal

Ned Slider wrote:

Ray Leventhal wrote:


I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  
My user data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are 
doing for things backing up os and configs.



snip
In a mixed Linux/Windows environment, I deployed a Linux backup server 
and mounted users data directories on the backup server using smb/cifs 
and then did a local rsync of the mounted dirs to the backup dir 
(easy to run as a cron job each night). Further backups may then be 
written to removable storage for off site storage or additional disks 
in case of drive failure. I like rsync for backing up changing data 
sets such as users data.


To negate the risks/downtime associated with hard drive failure, I 
cloned the original OS setup using dd to spare HDs and locked them in 
the safe. Primary drive failure would require replacement of the 
drives (and a system update) and restoring data from the latest 
backups, although there's no reason one couldn't run 2 near identical 
backup servers side by side if the hardware is available.


There are simply so many different ways one could implement a backup 
strategy depending on hardware available, what software you're 
comfortable with, whether you want to script your own or use a backup 
package, the type of data you need to back up etc. The *important* 
thing is that you're comfortable with your backup procedure, it meets 
your needs, it's performed regularly, it's tested and it works.




Hi Ned,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  I've cloned the OS drive already and 
it is safely locked away.  We're an entirely off-internet system, so 
updates aren't even a problem.  The issue is the user data and with what 
you and others have written, I'm considering doing a local rsync to a 
second set of mirrored drives already in the box (but as of now disused).


Kind regards,
-Ray
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Max Hetrick
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Ray Leventhal wrote:

 Thanks for the reply and link.  I'm looking this over right now.

If you look to use rsnapshot, there's a guide on the CentOS wiki.

http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RsnapshotBackups

Regards,
Max
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Les Mikesell

Ray Leventhal wrote:
 
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  I've cloned the OS drive already and 
it is safely locked away.  We're an entirely off-internet system, so 
updates aren't even a problem.  The issue is the user data and with what 
you and others have written, I'm considering doing a local rsync to a 
second set of mirrored drives already in the box (but as of now disused).


Keep in mind that certain hardware, software, or operator errors (or a 
building disaster) can wipe out all of the disks at once.  A safer 
approach might be to rsync to external disks that you rotate offsite or 
to rsync over the network to a different location.


--
  Les Mikesell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-31 Thread Ray Leventhal

Les Mikesell wrote:

Ray Leventhal wrote:
 Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  I've cloned the OS drive already 
and it is safely locked away.  We're an entirely off-internet system, 
so updates aren't even a problem.  The issue is the user data and 
with what you and others have written, I'm considering doing a local 
rsync to a second set of mirrored drives already in the box (but as 
of now disused).


Keep in mind that certain hardware, software, or operator errors (or a 
building disaster) can wipe out all of the disks at once.  A safer 
approach might be to rsync to external disks that you rotate offsite 
or to rsync over the network to a different location.



A point I was just discussing with some folks here.  Thanks, Les.
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-30 Thread Tony Molloy
On Saturday 29 March 2008 18:54:38 Ray Leventhal wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  My
 user data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are doing
 for things backing up os and configs.

 Any pointers on setting up rsync, cpio, etc would be appreciated.
 Pointers to good how-to's especially welcome.

 Currently we're using Arkeia Network Backup (commercial product with
 which I am in no way affiliated), and it's great, but with disk space so
 cheap, I'd love to be able to take my current non-raid setup and find a
 way to get up and running quickly in the case of some failures.

 Thanks in advance,
 -Ray

If you've got a Linux Server then lookup BackupPC on sourceforge and you'll 
never look back. Great bit of software.

Tony

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[CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-29 Thread Ray Leventhal

Hi,

I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  My 
user data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are doing 
for things backing up os and configs.


Any pointers on setting up rsync, cpio, etc would be appreciated.  
Pointers to good how-to's especially welcome.


Currently we're using Arkeia Network Backup (commercial product with 
which I am in no way affiliated), and it's great, but with disk space so 
cheap, I'd love to be able to take my current non-raid setup and find a 
way to get up and running quickly in the case of some failures.


Thanks in advance,
-Ray
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-29 Thread Barry Brimer



On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, Ray Leventhal wrote:


Hi,

I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  My user 
data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are doing for things 
backing up os and configs.


Any pointers on setting up rsync, cpio, etc would be appreciated.  Pointers 
to good how-to's especially welcome.


Currently we're using Arkeia Network Backup (commercial product with which I 
am in no way affiliated), and it's great, but with disk space so cheap, I'd 
love to be able to take my current non-raid setup and find a way to get up 
and running quickly in the case of some failures.


Have you looked at rsnapshot http://www.rsnapshot.org ??
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Re: [CentOS] backup to disk

2008-03-29 Thread Ned Slider

Ray Leventhal wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking for common practices for backing up user data to disk.  My 
user data is all in /home.  I'm also interested in what folks are doing 
for things backing up os and configs.


Any pointers on setting up rsync, cpio, etc would be appreciated.  
Pointers to good how-to's especially welcome.


Currently we're using Arkeia Network Backup (commercial product with 
which I am in no way affiliated), and it's great, but with disk space so 
cheap, I'd love to be able to take my current non-raid setup and find a 
way to get up and running quickly in the case of some failures.




In a mixed Linux/Windows environment, I deployed a Linux backup server 
and mounted users data directories on the backup server using smb/cifs 
and then did a local rsync of the mounted dirs to the backup dir (easy 
to run as a cron job each night). Further backups may then be written to 
removable storage for off site storage or additional disks in case of 
drive failure. I like rsync for backing up changing data sets such as 
users data.


To negate the risks/downtime associated with hard drive failure, I 
cloned the original OS setup using dd to spare HDs and locked them in 
the safe. Primary drive failure would require replacement of the drives 
(and a system update) and restoring data from the latest backups, 
although there's no reason one couldn't run 2 near identical backup 
servers side by side if the hardware is available.


There are simply so many different ways one could implement a backup 
strategy depending on hardware available, what software you're 
comfortable with, whether you want to script your own or use a backup 
package, the type of data you need to back up etc. The *important* thing 
is that you're comfortable with your backup procedure, it meets your 
needs, it's performed regularly, it's tested and it works.


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