Re: [CentOS] dual head on centos 5 and ancient Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD card

[Ross Walker]

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:09:13PM -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
> > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Fred Smith <
> fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>wrote:
> > >
> > >> I was just handed a 2nd monitor for my system at work, and using
> Centos 5
> > >> (latest)
> > >> can't make dual head work. a good bit of googling isn't being
> particularly
> > >> helpful either.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Dual head or dual monitor?
> > >
> > > Dual head typically means running two instances of X, one on each video
> > > out, which can only be done with two or more graphic cards from what I
> can
> > > gather.
>
> hmm. good point.


Sounds good, right? Don't listen to me though I talk through my wazoo.

Multi-Head and Multi-Monitor are synonymous (I actually looked it up after
posting).


> >> It's a HP workstation xw4100, with Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD graphics
> card.
> > >> Enabling dual head in the "display" app simply configures X so that it
> > >> (i.e., X) won't start. I haven't found the x log file in /var/log to
> be
> > >> helpful, either. This is using the legacy 96.x.x driver from Nvidia.
> > >>
> > >> the NvidiaDetect app (from epel) says it should be using a newer
> driver
> > >> than the 96.x.x (forgot which one, exactly) but when attempting to
> install
> > >> it I get a msg that the card requires a 96.x.x driver.
> > >>
> > >> browsing to nvidia.com and entering the model numbers into their
> driver
> > >> finder app gives another newer version that also gives the same
> result.
> > >> So it looks like I'm stuck with the 96.x.x driver.
> > >>
> > >> some googling indicates a few people have made it work, but none of
> their
> > >> methods are working for me.
> > >>
> > >> I was beginning to wonder if the hardware even supported dual head,
> so I
> > >> booted up a Fedora 17 LIVE CD. it initializes both monitors with no
> action
> > >> from me at all, with a desktop spanning the two screens, just fine. It
> > >> must
> > >> be using the Nouveau driver (which, AFAIK, can't be used on Centos 5),
> > >> so still the issue could either be spanning/dual head doesn't work
> with
> > >> the
> > >> ancient nvidia driver, or we (neither me, nor the tools on Centos)
> knows
> > >> how to configure it.
> > >>
> > >> Clues would be appreciated. thanks in advance!
> > >>
> > >
> > > In my experience I was able to drive both the DisplayPort and DVI (or
> HDMI
> > > and VGA) interfaces off my card to give me dual monitor support.
> > >
> > > To setup the monitor preference I just created a monitors.conf file in
> > > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d as such:
> > >
> > > Section "Monitor"
> > > Identifier  "HDMI1"
> > > Option  "Primary"   "true"
> > > EndSection
> > >
> > > Section "Monitor"
> > > Identifier  "VGA1"
> > > Option  "RightOf"   "HDMI1"
> > > EndSection
> > >
> > > Substitute the Identifier for whatever 'xrandr' gives you, and use
> LeftOf
> > > if you secondary monitor is left of your primary.
> > >
> >
> > Nevermind, I am not paying attention here, my setup is C6 with Intel.
>
> This is strange...
>
> xrandr (on C5) only shows one monitor even though two are connected
>

Sounds like the support for your nvidia in C5 doesn't include multiple
monitors.



> Booting up a Fedora 17 live CD, automatically configures for a single
> desktop spread across both monitors, AND xrandr shows both monitors. This
> makes me think that the hardware supports what I was seeking but C5
> doesn't.
>
> So, some more poking around, and I discover that Nvidia supports "Twinview"
> which actually works on C5, giving me a single desktop spread across both
> displays. According to the Nvidia readme, it fools X into thinking it has
> only
> one monitor, and it does seem to work.
>
> While I think I might like two separate desktops, it doesn't look like
> it's likely to be possible with the system I have, so I'll manage with
> what I've got, I think.
>

Twinview is going to be your best bet, but spanning desktops instead
of independent.

You can always upgrade to C6 to get independent desktops, composing and all
that jazz.

-Ross
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Re: [CentOS] dual head on centos 5 and ancient Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD card

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:09:13PM -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Fred Smith 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was just handed a 2nd monitor for my system at work, and using Centos 5
> >> (latest)
> >> can't make dual head work. a good bit of googling isn't being particularly
> >> helpful either.
> >>
> >
> > Dual head or dual monitor?
> >
> > Dual head typically means running two instances of X, one on each video
> > out, which can only be done with two or more graphic cards from what I can
> > gather.

hmm. good point.

> >> It's a HP workstation xw4100, with Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD graphics card.
> >> Enabling dual head in the "display" app simply configures X so that it
> >> (i.e., X) won't start. I haven't found the x log file in /var/log to be
> >> helpful, either. This is using the legacy 96.x.x driver from Nvidia.
> >>
> >> the NvidiaDetect app (from epel) says it should be using a newer driver
> >> than the 96.x.x (forgot which one, exactly) but when attempting to install
> >> it I get a msg that the card requires a 96.x.x driver.
> >>
> >> browsing to nvidia.com and entering the model numbers into their driver
> >> finder app gives another newer version that also gives the same result.
> >> So it looks like I'm stuck with the 96.x.x driver.
> >>
> >> some googling indicates a few people have made it work, but none of their
> >> methods are working for me.
> >>
> >> I was beginning to wonder if the hardware even supported dual head, so I
> >> booted up a Fedora 17 LIVE CD. it initializes both monitors with no action
> >> from me at all, with a desktop spanning the two screens, just fine. It
> >> must
> >> be using the Nouveau driver (which, AFAIK, can't be used on Centos 5),
> >> so still the issue could either be spanning/dual head doesn't work with
> >> the
> >> ancient nvidia driver, or we (neither me, nor the tools on Centos) knows
> >> how to configure it.
> >>
> >> Clues would be appreciated. thanks in advance!
> >>
> >
> > In my experience I was able to drive both the DisplayPort and DVI (or HDMI
> > and VGA) interfaces off my card to give me dual monitor support.
> >
> > To setup the monitor preference I just created a monitors.conf file in
> > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d as such:
> >
> > Section "Monitor"
> > Identifier  "HDMI1"
> > Option  "Primary"   "true"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "Monitor"
> > Identifier  "VGA1"
> > Option  "RightOf"   "HDMI1"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Substitute the Identifier for whatever 'xrandr' gives you, and use LeftOf
> > if you secondary monitor is left of your primary.
> >
> 
> Nevermind, I am not paying attention here, my setup is C6 with Intel.

This is strange...

xrandr (on C5) only shows one monitor even though two are connected

Booting up a Fedora 17 live CD, automatically configures for a single
desktop spread across both monitors, AND xrandr shows both monitors. This
makes me think that the hardware supports what I was seeking but C5
doesn't.

So, some more poking around, and I discover that Nvidia supports "Twinview"
which actually works on C5, giving me a single desktop spread across both
displays. According to the Nvidia readme, it fools X into thinking it has only
one monitor, and it does seem to work.

While I think I might like two separate desktops, it doesn't look like
it's likely to be possible with the system I have, so I'll manage with
what I've got, I think.

thanks for the responses!

Fred
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Re: [CentOS] dual head on centos 5 and ancient Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD card

[Ross Walker]

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Ross Walker  wrote:

> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Fred Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> I was just handed a 2nd monitor for my system at work, and using Centos 5
>> (latest)
>> can't make dual head work. a good bit of googling isn't being particularly
>> helpful either.
>>
>
> Dual head or dual monitor?
>
> Dual head typically means running two instances of X, one on each video
> out, which can only be done with two or more graphic cards from what I can
> gather.
>
>
>
>> It's a HP workstation xw4100, with Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD graphics card.
>> Enabling dual head in the "display" app simply configures X so that it
>> (i.e., X) won't start. I haven't found the x log file in /var/log to be
>> helpful, either. This is using the legacy 96.x.x driver from Nvidia.
>>
>> the NvidiaDetect app (from epel) says it should be using a newer driver
>> than the 96.x.x (forgot which one, exactly) but when attempting to install
>> it I get a msg that the card requires a 96.x.x driver.
>>
>> browsing to nvidia.com and entering the model numbers into their driver
>> finder app gives another newer version that also gives the same result.
>> So it looks like I'm stuck with the 96.x.x driver.
>>
>> some googling indicates a few people have made it work, but none of their
>> methods are working for me.
>>
>> I was beginning to wonder if the hardware even supported dual head, so I
>> booted up a Fedora 17 LIVE CD. it initializes both monitors with no action
>> from me at all, with a desktop spanning the two screens, just fine. It
>> must
>> be using the Nouveau driver (which, AFAIK, can't be used on Centos 5),
>> so still the issue could either be spanning/dual head doesn't work with
>> the
>> ancient nvidia driver, or we (neither me, nor the tools on Centos) knows
>> how to configure it.
>>
>> Clues would be appreciated. thanks in advance!
>>
>
> In my experience I was able to drive both the DisplayPort and DVI (or HDMI
> and VGA) interfaces off my card to give me dual monitor support.
>
> To setup the monitor preference I just created a monitors.conf file in
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d as such:
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier  "HDMI1"
> Option  "Primary"   "true"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier  "VGA1"
> Option  "RightOf"   "HDMI1"
> EndSection
>
> Substitute the Identifier for whatever 'xrandr' gives you, and use LeftOf
> if you secondary monitor is left of your primary.
>

Nevermind, I am not paying attention here, my setup is C6 with Intel.

-Ross
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Re: [CentOS] dual head on centos 5 and ancient Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD card

[Ross Walker]

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

> I was just handed a 2nd monitor for my system at work, and using Centos 5
> (latest)
> can't make dual head work. a good bit of googling isn't being particularly
> helpful either.
>

Dual head or dual monitor?

Dual head typically means running two instances of X, one on each video
out, which can only be done with two or more graphic cards from what I can
gather.



> It's a HP workstation xw4100, with Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD graphics card.
> Enabling dual head in the "display" app simply configures X so that it
> (i.e., X) won't start. I haven't found the x log file in /var/log to be
> helpful, either. This is using the legacy 96.x.x driver from Nvidia.
>
> the NvidiaDetect app (from epel) says it should be using a newer driver
> than the 96.x.x (forgot which one, exactly) but when attempting to install
> it I get a msg that the card requires a 96.x.x driver.
>
> browsing to nvidia.com and entering the model numbers into their driver
> finder app gives another newer version that also gives the same result.
> So it looks like I'm stuck with the 96.x.x driver.
>
> some googling indicates a few people have made it work, but none of their
> methods are working for me.
>
> I was beginning to wonder if the hardware even supported dual head, so I
> booted up a Fedora 17 LIVE CD. it initializes both monitors with no action
> from me at all, with a desktop spanning the two screens, just fine. It must
> be using the Nouveau driver (which, AFAIK, can't be used on Centos 5),
> so still the issue could either be spanning/dual head doesn't work with the
> ancient nvidia driver, or we (neither me, nor the tools on Centos) knows
> how to configure it.
>
> Clues would be appreciated. thanks in advance!
>

In my experience I was able to drive both the DisplayPort and DVI (or HDMI
and VGA) interfaces off my card to give me dual monitor support.

To setup the monitor preference I just created a monitors.conf file in
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d as such:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "HDMI1"
Option  "Primary"   "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "VGA1"
Option  "RightOf"   "HDMI1"
EndSection

Substitute the Identifier for whatever 'xrandr' gives you, and use LeftOf
if you secondary monitor is left of your primary.

-Ross
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Re: [CentOS] dual head on centos 5 and ancient Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD card

[m . roth]

Fred Smith wrote:
> I was just handed a 2nd monitor for my system at work, and using Centos 5
> (latest) can't make dual head work. a good bit of googling isn't being
> particularly helpful either.
>
> It's a HP workstation xw4100, with Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD graphics card.
> Enabling dual head in the "display" app simply configures X so that it
> (i.e., X) won't start. I haven't found the x log file in /var/log to be
> helpful, either. This is using the legacy 96.x.x driver from Nvidia.

Nope, that won't work.
>
> the NvidiaDetect app (from epel) says it should be using a newer driver
> than the 96.x.x (forgot which one, exactly) but when attempting to install
> it I get a msg that the card requires a 96.x.x driver.

Ignore that - that's the driver it needs.

> Clues would be appreciated. thanks in advance!

Someone (Karanbir?) sent me a link to the CentOS FAQ that responded to
that, but I can't seem to find it, and the "FAQ CentOS General Questions
returns a totally blank page (even in view page source). I found this on a
quick google:


Your other options are kmod-nvidia, or the proprietary drivers - note that
in the latter case, every time you get an updated kernel, you need to
rebuild (which isn't a big deal). If you go this route, you'll find a new
menu item, Nvidia control panel. Enable twinview, and you'll be good.

mark


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[CentOS] dual head on centos 5 and ancient Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD card

[Fred Smith]

I was just handed a 2nd monitor for my system at work, and using Centos 5 
(latest)
can't make dual head work. a good bit of googling isn't being particularly
helpful either.

It's a HP workstation xw4100, with Nvidia Quadro NVS280SD graphics card.
Enabling dual head in the "display" app simply configures X so that it
(i.e., X) won't start. I haven't found the x log file in /var/log to be
helpful, either. This is using the legacy 96.x.x driver from Nvidia.

the NvidiaDetect app (from epel) says it should be using a newer driver
than the 96.x.x (forgot which one, exactly) but when attempting to install
it I get a msg that the card requires a 96.x.x driver.

browsing to nvidia.com and entering the model numbers into their driver
finder app gives another newer version that also gives the same result.
So it looks like I'm stuck with the 96.x.x driver.

some googling indicates a few people have made it work, but none of their
methods are working for me.

I was beginning to wonder if the hardware even supported dual head, so I
booted up a Fedora 17 LIVE CD. it initializes both monitors with no action
from me at all, with a desktop spanning the two screens, just fine. It must
be using the Nouveau driver (which, AFAIK, can't be used on Centos 5),
so still the issue could either be spanning/dual head doesn't work with the
ancient nvidia driver, or we (neither me, nor the tools on Centos) knows
how to configure it.

Clues would be appreciated. thanks in advance!


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