Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:12:04 +0100 Always Learning wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 18:15 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 00:55:45 +0100 > > Always Learning wrote: > > > > > > > > Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? > > > > > > See: vault.centos.org > > > > > > Thank you. Vault seems to be source RPMs. I was seeking something easier > > > as binary RPMs. > > > > Look in the os directory. > > > http://vault.centos.org/5.11/os/ > > http://vault.centos.org/centos/5.11/os/ > > have *.src.rpm All of the other 5.x subdirectories on the vault server contain x86_64 and i386 binary rpms. Since 5.11 is still "current" you can find the binaries on a regular Centos update server. For example, http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/centos/5.11/os/ has them. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 18:15 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 00:55:45 +0100 > Always Learning wrote: > > > > > Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? > > > > See: vault.centos.org > > > > Thank you. Vault seems to be source RPMs. I was seeking something easier > > as binary RPMs. > > Look in the os directory. http://vault.centos.org/5.11/os/ http://vault.centos.org/centos/5.11/os/ have *.src.rpm Best regards. -- Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 00:55:45 +0100 Always Learning wrote: > > Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? > > See: vault.centos.org > > Thank you. Vault seems to be source RPMs. I was seeking something easier > as binary RPMs. Look in the os directory. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 13:14 -0500, C Linus Hicks wrote: > On 09/13/15, Always Learning wrote: > > - Quoted text --- > Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? > - End quote > See: vault.centos.org Thank you. Vault seems to be source RPMs. I was seeking something easier as binary RPMs. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 09/13/15, Always Learning wrote: - Quoted text --- Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? - End quote See: vault.centos.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 11:43 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 04:12:44PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: > > > > Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? > For 6, at least, it's in the nux-desktop repo, I don't know about the > others. Thanks. > BTW, are you familiar with pkgs.org? (That's what I used to get the > information, just go to pkgs.org, type openshot in the search box and it > gives distributions with a package for it. No. Never used it before. Did look at another similar service but could see only Fedora and Mandrake? versions. Thanks again. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 04:12:44PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: > > On Fri, 2015-08-21 at 06:23 +, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > > I use Openshot Video Editor on a weekly basis to cut and edit my > > m/c-instructoring clips and then post to Youtube. ;-) > > I've more or less abandoned Pinnacle since I discovered Openshot. The > > encoding stuff is so much faster on CentOS than Windows... > > Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? For 6, at least, it's in the nux-desktop repo, I don't know about the others. BTW, are you familiar with pkgs.org? (That's what I used to get the information, just go to pkgs.org, type openshot in the search box and it gives distributions with a package for it. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Fri, 2015-08-21 at 06:23 +, Sorin Srbu wrote: > I use Openshot Video Editor on a weekly basis to cut and edit my > m/c-instructoring clips and then post to Youtube. ;-) > I've more or less abandoned Pinnacle since I discovered Openshot. The > encoding stuff is so much faster on CentOS than Windows... Where does one obtain the RPM for Centos 5 and 6, please ? -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Yereaztian > Sent: den 21 augusti 2015 19:53 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray > > Ken, I'm sorry, I had no intention of fighting anyone. I was simply under the > impression that you might have actually referred to DVD authoring (creation > of the disc, chapters, burning etc,but I understand where you are coming > from. I completely agree that the terms interpretation completely depends > on the used context. I really did not have any intention of stirring up > something. I thought there might have been some confusion and I might be > able to help resolve the confusion. All is good now ^_^. You're all so very polite. 8-D -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: > >> Publishing, or something, I dunno... I prefer to call it Mastering. > > No no no, for it to be publishing there has to be LaTeX macros that do it ;) Why do you believe that there *isn’t* a LaTeX macro for Bluray mastering? There’s also an Emacs mode and a Perl CPAN module for it. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 08/21/2015 10:56 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 8/21/2015 10:41 AM, ken wrote: ... It's really counter-intuitive, even misleading, that "authoring" means burning the DVD... not the burning, but the mastering process that consists of turning plain video file(s) into DVD or BluRay format, with menus and stuff, that's whats referred to as Authoring. Maybe it should be called Publishing, or something, I dunno... I prefer to call it Mastering. No no no, for it to be publishing there has to be LaTeX macros that do it ;) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 8/21/2015 10:41 AM, ken wrote: ... It's really counter-intuitive, even misleading, that "authoring" means burning the DVD... not the burning, but the mastering process that consists of turning plain video file(s) into DVD or BluRay format, with menus and stuff, that's whats referred to as Authoring. Maybe it should be called Publishing, or something, I dunno... I prefer to call it Mastering. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
Ken, I'm sorry, I had no intention of fighting anyone. I was simply under the impression that you might have actually referred to DVD authoring (creation of the disc, chapters, burning etc,but I understand where you are coming from. I completely agree that the terms interpretation completely depends on the used context. I really did not have any intention of stirring up something. I thought there might have been some confusion and I might be able to help resolve the confusion. All is good now ^_^. Wish everybody a nice weekend Chris On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:41 PM, ken wrote: > [I guess were doing top-posting on this sub-thread. Okay, why fight it??] > > Chris, I didn't know that either. In fact, Sorin answered the question I > was thinking of when I posted it. It's really counter-intuitive, even > misleading, that "authoring" means burning the DVD... or maybe it means > that in the context of DVDs, but means something else in the context of > film/video production. (But then in that latter context, "producing" means > "supplying or arranging the funding for", which is also misleading.) When > someone says they authored a book, to me that doesn't mean they only > printed it, bound it, and put a cover on it. Well, it's not something > worth pounding to death. People had to have been happier before there was > language. :) > > > On 08/21/2015 04:28 AM, Chris Yereaztian wrote: > >> Sorin, authoring a movie usually refers to actually creating a disc (e.g. >> DVD/Blu-Ray with chapter marks and what not). It's the step that comes >> after you've shot and edited the movie, see >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_authoring. As far as I know K3B, >> Bombone >> DVD and DeVede are capable of authoring DVDs. K3B (version dependent) >> should even be able to create Blu-Ray discs so that they are playable on >> standalone players. >> >> Kind Regards >> Chris >> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Sorin Srbu >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >>>> Behalf Of ken >>>> Sent: den 20 augusti 2015 19:27 >>>> To: CentOS mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray >>>> >>>> I'm suprised no one yet has mentioned authoring movies. Maybe the >>>> software to do this isn't available for Linux??? >>>> >>> >>> I use Openshot Video Editor on a weekly basis to cut and edit my >>> m/c-instructoring clips and then post to Youtube. ;-) >>> I've more or less abandoned Pinnacle since I discovered Openshot. The >>> encoding >>> stuff is so much faster on CentOS than Windows... >>> -- >>> //Sorin >>> >>> ___ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS@centos.org >>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >>> >>> >>> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> >> ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 08/20/2015 02:19 PM, Warren Young wrote: On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: *snip* It’s all down to processing power, not RAM. Video encoding is a big reason that the Intel Core i7 made such a big splash about 5 years ago. Fair enough, but the CPU on that thing is only a dual core, so it really is academic. Point is the encoding on it is slow, especially when using WebM. Desktop is the place to do it for me, so that really is the only place I benefit from the Bluray drive. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
[I guess were doing top-posting on this sub-thread. Okay, why fight it??] Chris, I didn't know that either. In fact, Sorin answered the question I was thinking of when I posted it. It's really counter-intuitive, even misleading, that "authoring" means burning the DVD... or maybe it means that in the context of DVDs, but means something else in the context of film/video production. (But then in that latter context, "producing" means "supplying or arranging the funding for", which is also misleading.) When someone says they authored a book, to me that doesn't mean they only printed it, bound it, and put a cover on it. Well, it's not something worth pounding to death. People had to have been happier before there was language. :) On 08/21/2015 04:28 AM, Chris Yereaztian wrote: Sorin, authoring a movie usually refers to actually creating a disc (e.g. DVD/Blu-Ray with chapter marks and what not). It's the step that comes after you've shot and edited the movie, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_authoring. As far as I know K3B, Bombone DVD and DeVede are capable of authoring DVDs. K3B (version dependent) should even be able to create Blu-Ray discs so that they are playable on standalone players. Kind Regards Chris On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of ken Sent: den 20 augusti 2015 19:27 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray I'm suprised no one yet has mentioned authoring movies. Maybe the software to do this isn't available for Linux??? I use Openshot Video Editor on a weekly basis to cut and edit my m/c-instructoring clips and then post to Youtube. ;-) I've more or less abandoned Pinnacle since I discovered Openshot. The encoding stuff is so much faster on CentOS than Windows... -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Yereaztian > Sent: den 21 augusti 2015 10:29 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray > > Sorin, authoring a movie usually refers to actually creating a disc (e.g. > DVD/Blu-Ray with chapter marks and what not). It's the step that comes > after you've shot and edited the movie, see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_authoring. As far as I know K3B, > Bombone DVD and DeVede are capable of authoring DVDs. K3B (version > dependent) should even be able to create Blu-Ray discs so that they are > playable on standalone players. Ah, I see. I just edit the movie clips and export them. Thanks. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
Sorin, authoring a movie usually refers to actually creating a disc (e.g. DVD/Blu-Ray with chapter marks and what not). It's the step that comes after you've shot and edited the movie, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_authoring. As far as I know K3B, Bombone DVD and DeVede are capable of authoring DVDs. K3B (version dependent) should even be able to create Blu-Ray discs so that they are playable on standalone players. Kind Regards Chris On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > > Behalf Of ken > > Sent: den 20 augusti 2015 19:27 > > To: CentOS mailing list > > Subject: Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray > > > > I'm suprised no one yet has mentioned authoring movies. Maybe the > > software to do this isn't available for Linux??? > > I use Openshot Video Editor on a weekly basis to cut and edit my > m/c-instructoring clips and then post to Youtube. ;-) > I've more or less abandoned Pinnacle since I discovered Openshot. The > encoding > stuff is so much faster on CentOS than Windows... > -- > //Sorin > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of ken > Sent: den 20 augusti 2015 19:27 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray > > I'm suprised no one yet has mentioned authoring movies. Maybe the > software to do this isn't available for Linux??? I use Openshot Video Editor on a weekly basis to cut and edit my m/c-instructoring clips and then post to Youtube. ;-) I've more or less abandoned Pinnacle since I discovered Openshot. The encoding stuff is so much faster on CentOS than Windows... -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 07:37 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: > > I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray > > http://srobb.net/why.mp4 Well, why ? -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: > > On 08/20/2015 10:27 AM, ken wrote: >> On 08/20/2015 10:27 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: >>> I bought a BluRay for my Thinkpad and my Desktop. >>> >>> Very rarely use them, but on occassion I do. >>> >>> When I use them, I use them to rip movies via MakeMKV but honestly that >>> is the only BluRay use they ever get. And mostly the desktop, the laptop >>> doesn't have the memory to encode hi def in reasonable amount of time. >> >> How much memory do you think would be needed to do that? > > I don't know, but my desktop has 16 GB and the laptop only has 4 GB (and a > slower CPU) An uncompressed 4:2:0 frame of 2K video takes about 2.5 MiB of RAM. If you represent it as 4:4:4 during recompression instead, it’s 6 MiB. An H.264 encoder might need a dozen or so frames in RAM at a time to do the inter-frame compression, so you’re talking about something like 30-100 MiB of RAM. Some encoders are inefficient, and grab a gig or so of RAM, but I expect that’s only because they can get away with it these days. It’s possible to be much more efficient, evidenced by the fact that so many smartphones and digital cameras have H.264 encoders in them. You don’t imagine they have a gig of RAM sitting around just for the H.264 encoder, do you? The main thing you need for fast video encoding is one of: a) multiple fast general-purpose CPU cores b) lots of GPU pipelines, or c) a dedicated hardware ASIC (or equivalent in die space on a SoC) It’s all down to processing power, not RAM. Video encoding is a big reason that the Intel Core i7 made such a big splash about 5 years ago. It’s one of the few desktop applications that can make effective use all those fast cores. GPU encoding has also made great strides recently. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 08/20/2015 10:27 AM, ken wrote: On 08/20/2015 10:27 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: I bought a BluRay for my Thinkpad and my Desktop. Very rarely use them, but on occassion I do. When I use them, I use them to rip movies via MakeMKV but honestly that is the only BluRay use they ever get. And mostly the desktop, the laptop doesn't have the memory to encode hi def in reasonable amount of time. How much memory do you think would be needed to do that? I don't know, but my desktop has 16 GB and the laptop only has 4 GB (and a slower CPU) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
Dnia czwartek, 20 sierpnia 2015 9:50:48 AM Valeri Galtsev pisze: > > capacity became a problem. Recently we have switched to RDX. > Which RDX? This: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX > ? This one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX_Technology (:) -- Over And Out MoonWolf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 08/20/2015 10:27 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: I bought a BluRay for my Thinkpad and my Desktop. Very rarely use them, but on occassion I do. When I use them, I use them to rip movies via MakeMKV but honestly that is the only BluRay use they ever get. And mostly the desktop, the laptop doesn't have the memory to encode hi def in reasonable amount of time. How much memory do you think would be needed to do that? Unless you want to rip movies, which may violate certain laws in certain geographical locations, there's not any point that I can see. On 08/20/2015 03:53 AM, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? Congratulations, Alice. You're the sole nerd here to mention that this was possible. I've never ripped a flick before, but I could imagine doing it, so it's good to know it can be done with Linux. I'm suprised no one yet has mentioned authoring movies. Maybe the software to do this isn't available for Linux??? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, August 20, 2015 6:52 am, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Marcin Trendota > wrote: >> W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:26, Mauricio Tavares pisze: >>> On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, "ken" wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs >>> Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling >>> reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? >>>First of all, is this going to be your desktop or a server? If >>> the >>> later, can't see the point for blueray. One of the compelling reasons >>> against is that only movies use it. Second, it has dmr crap in it that >> >> I used to use Blu-Ray as backup device. >> > In that case, the concern about drm is null and void. That said, > how did that work out for you? I thought about doing that because of > the sheer capacity but my experience using DL DVDs for backup was not > as good as the original claims. Retention was not good after a year or > so, which led me to use hard drives instead with a slow rotation > policy and keeping hardware to read it (poor man's futureproofing). > I do have BD, external though (USB; Buffalo BRXL-PC6U2 which I would highly recommend). I use it whenever I need to read [often somebody's else BD] or write big chunk of data onto something [very convenient dimentions if you need to send it elsewhere]. I used it to make image of Windows system my laptop came with (after I added all I may need on Windows), so I can restore my laptop from that BD. I doubt I will ever need that, as I wiped the system in favor of FreeBSD (which is single system on my laptop). I do not use BDs for backups though, I backup everything, including laptops to bacula backup server. Just my $0.02. Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
> One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs > Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling > reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? Get neither: nowadays an optical reader is just a relic of the past, making your laptop heavier and reducing (ever so slightly) your battery life. Stefan ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, August 20, 2015 7:01 am, Marcin Trendota wrote: > W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:52, Mauricio Tavares pisze: >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Marcin Trendota >> wrote: >>> W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:26, Mauricio Tavares pisze: On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, "ken" wrote: > > One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? First of all, is this going to be your desktop or a server? If the later, can't see the point for blueray. One of the compelling reasons against is that only movies use it. Second, it has dmr crap in it that >>> I used to use Blu-Ray as backup device. >> In that case, the concern about drm is null and void. That said, >> how did that work out for you? I thought about doing that because of >> the sheer capacity but my experience using DL DVDs for backup was not >> as good as the original claims. Retention was not good after a year or >> so, which led me to use hard drives instead with a slow rotation >> policy and keeping hardware to read it (poor man's futureproofing). > > Well, retention was not an issue in my case (that were monthly backups, > we didn't need to keep old backups). But eventually capacity became a > problem. Recently we have switched to RDX. > Which RDX? This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX ? Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
I bought a BluRay for my Thinkpad and my Desktop. Very rarely use them, but on occassion I do. When I use them, I use them to rip movies via MakeMKV but honestly that is the only BluRay use they ever get. And mostly the desktop, the laptop doesn't have the memory to encode hi def in reasonable amount of time. Unless you want to rip movies, which may violate certain laws in certain geographical locations, there's not any point that I can see. On 08/20/2015 03:53 AM, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:52, Mauricio Tavares pisze: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Marcin Trendota > wrote: >> W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:26, Mauricio Tavares pisze: >>> On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, "ken" wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs >>> Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling >>> reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? >>>First of all, is this going to be your desktop or a server? If the >>> later, can't see the point for blueray. One of the compelling reasons >>> against is that only movies use it. Second, it has dmr crap in it that >> I used to use Blu-Ray as backup device. > In that case, the concern about drm is null and void. That said, > how did that work out for you? I thought about doing that because of > the sheer capacity but my experience using DL DVDs for backup was not > as good as the original claims. Retention was not good after a year or > so, which led me to use hard drives instead with a slow rotation > policy and keeping hardware to read it (poor man's futureproofing). Well, retention was not an issue in my case (that were monthly backups, we didn't need to keep old backups). But eventually capacity became a problem. Recently we have switched to RDX. -- Over And Out MoonWolf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Marcin Trendota wrote: > W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:26, Mauricio Tavares pisze: >> On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, "ken" wrote: >>> >>> One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs >> Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling >> reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? >>First of all, is this going to be your desktop or a server? If the >> later, can't see the point for blueray. One of the compelling reasons >> against is that only movies use it. Second, it has dmr crap in it that > > I used to use Blu-Ray as backup device. > In that case, the concern about drm is null and void. That said, how did that work out for you? I thought about doing that because of the sheer capacity but my experience using DL DVDs for backup was not as good as the original claims. Retention was not good after a year or so, which led me to use hard drives instead with a slow rotation policy and keeping hardware to read it (poor man's futureproofing). > -- > Over And Out > MoonWolf > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:37:53AM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: > > I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray > > http://srobb.net/why.mp4 Despite my whimsical reply above, there are some good reasons I wouldn't do it. (And the person was posting from a phone, so if they dislike typing on them as much as I do, I can easily understand the brevity of the answer.) :) Anyway, I wouldn't use a blu-ray for storage because flash storage can give you as much space, more cheaply, and far faster. That is, it's going to be much faster writing to a flash drive or USB connected drive than to a blu-ray disk. As for using for multimeida, the media itself is still expensive, and I remember the last time I looked into this, it was still problematic to play it on many versions of Linux. The codecs used to play them probably aren't completely legal in the US (though that's just my guess, no research--I just assume that content producers continue to bribe our politicians here). The only reason I could see to do it would be to watch movies on blu-ray---see above, last time I checked (which was probably over a year ago) it was non-trivial whereas it is pretty trivial to watch DVDs on Linux now. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Hal Wigoda wrote: Personal preference. Who uses blu ray? Who uses DVDs? This really isn't a winning discussion. If you want to read/write blu-ray disks, then buy a blu-ray reader/writer. If you don't, don't. You can get a blu ray writer for ~£50, so it really shouldn't be a big decision. If you don't buy one and later find you want one, you buy an external one for basically the same money. Don't lose sleep over it. jh___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 08/20/2015 07:35 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Second, it [Blu-ray] has dmr crap in it that >might require binary only spyware to work. DVD-Video has them too, the only difference is that the crypto in the DRM for DVD is terribly broken. "Broken" in the sense that data is corrupted or in the sense that the DMR is crackable? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
Personal preference. Who uses blu ray? Who uses DVDs? Anyway. (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) > On Aug 20, 2015, at 6:21 AM, ken wrote: > >> On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote: >> I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray >> >> (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling >> or grammatical errors.) >> >>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken wrote: >>> >>> One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs >>> Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling >>> reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? > > Is that a personal preference, or are there reasons? > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: > I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray http://srobb.net/why.mp4 -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
W dniu 20.08.2015 o 13:26, Mauricio Tavares pisze: > On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, "ken" wrote: >> >> One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs > Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling > reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? >First of all, is this going to be your desktop or a server? If the > later, can't see the point for blueray. One of the compelling reasons > against is that only movies use it. Second, it has dmr crap in it that I used to use Blu-Ray as backup device. -- Over And Out MoonWolf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, "ken" wrote: > > One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? > First of all, is this going to be your desktop or a server? If the later, can't see the point for blueray. One of the compelling reasons against is that only movies use it. Second, it has dmr crap in it that might require binary only spyware to work. Third, they behave like Android phones in that they keep pushing new releases but no firmware updates for older devices; you have to keep on buying new devices which only change from old one by having brand new spyware. If I were to read in my blueray movies - legal to do FYI - I would do so somewhere else or find external drive that can read it. On the positive side, blueray sounds cooler than DVD. ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? Is that a personal preference, or are there reasons? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) > On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken wrote: > > One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs > Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling > reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
