Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 01:42, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > >> If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number >> of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years >> to reach those numbers. >> >> BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 >> laptop. And 95-97% of internet usage I perform on Desktop PC. > > Unless maybe you are not typical ... do you really think that the majority of users will ever use smatphones/pads? do anybody really think that the majority of users are homeusers which are only use a webbrowser and some small games? nice, most of use will use it on the road but not as main-device! the majority of users was and will be desktop users or will you explain anybody that you ever will use GIMP, Office and even business users which are the REAL majority take a smartphone? yes it is nice that software can fullfil the needs of smartphones/pads but it is simply dumb to think this is the main target for the future instead a OPTION which has to be enabled instead the only main target fpr new development signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:03:58AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 17.11.2011 01:42, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > > Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > > >> If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number > >> of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years > >> to reach those numbers. > >> > >> BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 > >> laptop. And 95-97% of internet usage I perform on Desktop PC. > > > > Unless maybe you are not typical ... > > do you really think that the majority of users will ever use smatphones/pads? > do anybody really think that the majority of users are homeusers which are > only use a webbrowser and some small games? > > nice, most of use will use it on the road but not as main-device! > > the majority of users was and will be desktop users or will you explain > anybody that you ever will use GIMP, Office and even business users which > are the REAL majority take a smartphone? > > yes it is nice that software can fullfil the needs of smartphones/pads > but it is simply dumb to think this is the main target for the future > instead a OPTION which has to be enabled instead the only main target > fpr new development > Well, I'm happy with my "stupid phone". I don't especially want a pocket-sized computer (at least not one that's tightly chained inside a walled garden, whether it be Apple's, or Microsoft's, or any one else's garden). As long as it reliably makes phone calls, and doesn't require charging EVERY DAY I can be happy with it. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 02:32, schrieb fred smith: > Well, I'm happy with my "stupid phone". I don't especially want a > pocket-sized computer (at least not one that's tightly chained inside > a walled garden, whether it be Apple's, or Microsoft's, or any one > else's garden). As long as it reliably makes phone calls, and doesn't > require charging EVERY DAY I can be happy with it. well but computers are much more than on a smartphone will ever be possible smartphones are nice for many low-end users but they will NEVER replace a full featured PC and so so developers all over the world should stop to think they are the only target for software because they will not signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 02:38 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 17.11.2011 02:32, schrieb fred smith: > > Well, I'm happy with my "stupid phone". I don't especially want a > > pocket-sized computer (at least not one that's tightly chained inside > > a walled garden, whether it be Apple's, or Microsoft's, or any one > > else's garden). As long as it reliably makes phone calls, and doesn't > > require charging EVERY DAY I can be happy with it. > > well but computers are much more than on a smartphone will ever be possible > smartphones are nice for many low-end users but they will NEVER replace > a full featured PC and so so developers all over the world should stop > to think they are the only target for software because they will not Consider the upcoming Asus Transformer Prime tablet which has more horsepower than my desktop computer (by far) though less RAM and less storage. The cloud can be your storage... heck all of my music is already on Google Music. It's thoroughly conceivable that these devices will indeed displace what is generally thought of as the irreplaceable home computer and maybe in the near future - after all, probably 80-90% of what occupies our computer usage is e-mail & web browsing. Just take a look at the latest 3 phones added to Verizon... the Razr, Rezound, Nexxus. Wow! Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 03:23, schrieb Craig White: > Consider the upcoming Asus Transformer Prime tablet which has more > horsepower than my desktop computer (by far) though less RAM and less > storage. The cloud can be your storage... heck all of my music is > already on Google Music. uninteresting because it does not change the fact that for most things touchscreens are not really a solution and so GUIs should not be only optimized for touch-screens there has to be a option "touchscreen-user" or "do not wste space" > It's thoroughly conceivable that these devices will indeed displace what > is generally thought of as the irreplaceable home computer and maybe in > the near future - after all, probably 80-90% of what occupies our > computer usage is e-mail & web browsing. Just take a look at the latest > 3 phones added to Verizon... the Razr, Rezound, Nexxus. Wow! and home-computers are the real target ar least? how many computers have you at home? how many computers has even a small company? you really believe that the majority and that are surely business users switch to touchscreens for their daily work? this will not happen now an dnot in hundret years! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Vreme: 11/17/2011 09:07 AM, Reindl Harald piše: > > > Am 17.11.2011 03:23, schrieb Craig White: >> Consider the upcoming Asus Transformer Prime tablet which has more >> horsepower than my desktop computer (by far) though less RAM and less >> storage. The cloud can be your storage... heck all of my music is >> already on Google Music. > > uninteresting because it does not change the fact that for most > things touchscreens are not really a solution and so GUIs > should not be only optimized for touch-screens > > there has to be a option "touchscreen-user" or "do not wste space" > >> It's thoroughly conceivable that these devices will indeed displace what >> is generally thought of as the irreplaceable home computer and maybe in >> the near future - after all, probably 80-90% of what occupies our >> computer usage is e-mail& web browsing. Just take a look at the latest >> 3 phones added to Verizon... the Razr, Rezound, Nexxus. Wow! > > and home-computers are the real target ar least? > how many computers have you at home? > how many computers has even a small company? > > you really believe that the majority and that are surely > business users switch to touchscreens for their daily work? > > this will not happen now an dnot in hundret years! > OK. This sub-thread has gone long enough. Maybe CentOS team should add "Off-Topic mailing list" so we can transfer our discussion there and just leave a link here or something. We ALL must agree to disagree. Those thinking the smartphones are the future come from consumerist mentality responsible for current economic crises (mentality, not people) They are constantly bombarded with "next best thing" advertisement, and they make a lot more money then the rest of the world. Other side comes from mentality which is oriented to "most money for the buck" or "minimal spending" philosophy since resources are scarce. First mentality thinks that paying 300-500 EUR for a device that can not be fixed cheaply or can be dead after just one drop from 1 meter is justified. Other side, where I belong does not. I almost cried when I payed 300 EUR for Andriod phone, just because of Wireless (I am small WISP), ability to VNC into my home PC and do what ever I need to do, and GPS software (I managed to cram IGO MyWay into HTC Wildfire). And having ~700 contacts (not numbers) is nice. Everything else I can do without. So I do not think that further discussion will help, since differences in the way we think are vast. For that reason, I ask you that we quit this, or to take it elsewhere (I always like to ) -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Consider the upcoming Asus Transformer Prime tablet which has more >> horsepower than my desktop computer (by far) though less RAM and less >> storage. The cloud can be your storage... heck all of my music is >> already on Google Music. > > uninteresting because it does not change the fact that for most > things touchscreens are not really a solution and so GUIs > should not be only optimized for touch-screens > > there has to be a option "touchscreen-user" or "do not wste space" Not sure I understand - a soft keyboard only takes screen space when needed. And a very popular device is making news about its voice input app that is sort-of usable. And maybe you've missed the measurements showing Netflix video to be 30% of end-point internet traffic in the US. > you really believe that the majority and that are surely > business users switch to touchscreens for their daily work? Or embedded devices with remote controls and no keyboard at all... Netflix got their popularity by running on just about every device that can connect to the internet and a screen. But those are not replacements for the computer where you manage your queue, they are additions, but you might spend more time with them. >this will not happen now an dnot in hundret years! I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 14:44, schrieb Les Mikesell: > Not sure I understand - a soft keyboard only takes screen space when > needed. And a very popular device is making news about its voice > input app that is sort-of usable. i do not speak about soft-keyboard i speak about wasting braindead space with big icons and big spaces between icons to make interfaces better working with touch-displays while it wastes space for users of a classical computer and PLEASE do not tell me about usability of small icons for some people since i am nearly blind on my right eye after some medical operations in the context computer screen and have on the left one 60-75% - that does not change the fact that i could jump in any developers face which is wasting space on my screen so that i see finally the same on my 23" as some years before with 17" > I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls > which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. > Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. *lol* you really believe you want to write a letter with voice control? you really believe you want operate with eclipse and voice control? you really believe you want to operate in a root-terminal with voice control? you really believe you want to edit config-files with voice control? you really believe you want to work with spreadsheets and voice control? you really believe you want to work with GIMP and voice control? you really believe you want to edit videos with voice control? you can replace "voice control" with "touch-keyboard"! recognize that there are MANY users which are NOT plaing a little bit with their devices - they are WORKING with their devices and in times where nearly in all jobs computers are needed to do the daily work it is simply ignorant start designing interfaces PRIMARY for the next big thing because some homeusers are happy with all this crap signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls >> which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. >> Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. > > *lol* > > you really believe you want to write a letter with voice control? Letters? You mean the things that the Post Office used to deliver? Who does that anymore? Maybe a picture or video clip instead... > you really believe you want operate with eclipse and voice control? > you really believe you want to operate in a root-terminal with voice control? > you really believe you want to edit config-files with voice control? > you really believe you want to work with spreadsheets and voice control? > you really believe you want to work with GIMP and voice control? > you really believe you want to edit videos with voice control? > > you can replace "voice control" with "touch-keyboard"! > > recognize that there are MANY users which are NOT plaing a little bit > with their devices - they are WORKING with their devices and in times > where nearly in all jobs computers are needed to do the daily work > it is simply ignorant start designing interfaces PRIMARY for the next > big thing because some homeusers are happy with all this crap I wouldn't call people doing any of those things 'computer users', but rather developers, administrators, or editors. Those jobs are all necessary but they aren't what the majority of people do with devices even now. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:10 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Letters? You mean the things that the Post Office used to deliver? > Who does that anymore? Maybe a picture or video clip instead... Gee...business people that's who...at least until we get some to use and legal digital signing. But please, there is no answer that is correct for all situations so let's drop this. > > > I wouldn't call people doing any of those things 'computer users', but > rather developers, administrators, or editors. Those jobs are all > necessary but they aren't what the majority of people do with devices > even now. > And these users will use whatever they fancy but the devs will forever not get it (except maybe those that Steve Jobs whipped on a daily basis) so you can argue this till the cows come home. Let's also drop this too. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> > Or embedded devices with remote controls and no keyboard at all... > Netflix got their popularity by running on just about every device > that can connect to the internet and a screen. But those are not > replacements for the computer where you manage your queue, they are > additions, but you might spend more time with them. > >>this will not happen now an dnot in hundret years! > > I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls > which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. > Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. And overwhelmingly, most folks will use keyboards at work or home, unless they have an office with a door they can shut. As I've been saying for 20 or more years, voice computing will never come in: e.g., the employee who's just been fired, walks out of the office and yells, FORMAT c:; YES, YES, YES!!! And no one's going to want to have to have employees wasting time training a voice recognition system to only recognize their voice. mark "where's the jack behind my ear?" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> >>> I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls >>> which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. >>> Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. >> >> *lol* >> >> you really believe you want to write a letter with voice control? > > Letters? You mean the things that the Post Office used to deliver? > Who does that anymore? Maybe a picture or video clip instead... I do. And then there's email letters. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Christopher Chan wrote: > On Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:10 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> Letters? You mean the things that the Post Office used to deliver? >> Who does that anymore? Maybe a picture or video clip instead... > > Gee...business people that's who...at least until we get some to use and > legal digital signing. But please, there is no answer that is correct > for all situations so let's drop this. >> >> I wouldn't call people doing any of those things 'computer users', but >> rather developers, administrators, or editors. Those jobs are all >> necessary but they aren't what the majority of people do with devices >> even now. > > And these users will use whatever they fancy but the devs will forever > not get it (except maybe those that Steve Jobs whipped on a daily basis) > so you can argue this till the cows come home. Let's also drop this too. I'll make one last comment, before I drop this thread: y'know, I know this *great* o/s with a ton of software, and it lets you do whatever you want the way *YOU* want to, not the way some turkey in, say, Redmond, thinks you should. It's called *Nix mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Greetings, On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > or more years, voice computing will never come in: e.g., the employee > who's just been fired, walks out of the office and yells, FORMAT c:; YES, > YES, YES!!! ROTFL!!! I don't remamber thy guy who invented the qwerty (IMHO quirky) layout, but sure it is not gonna fade off! And thinking that the handheld devices are the panacea to bring "world peace" is meant for those "MBA"s and PHB's; a joke at the least. OTOH, Voice training is easier using the language substrate of Sanskrit (the oldest and most well defined "language" spoken by very few in India) and can be easily adapted to Indian Languages, at least. I know. Now that serves right for about 1/6th (add a couple of hundred couple of 100 million counting te diaspora not Living in India) Of course, I don't know Latin. Never heard it. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 15:10, schrieb Les Mikesell: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls >>> which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. >>> Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. >> >> *lol* >> >> you really believe you want to write a letter with voice control? > > Letters? You mean the things that the Post Office used to deliver? > Who does that anymore? Maybe a picture or video clip instead... go away with your "i am a private person and nobody needs things i do not need" attitude - the major use of computer was, is and will be business and not peopole who do bot know what business is because they get no job signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 17.11.2011 15:10, schrieb Les Mikesell: >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. >>> >>> *lol* >>> >>> you really believe you want to write a letter with voice control? >> >> Letters? You mean the things that the Post Office used to deliver? >> Who does that anymore? Maybe a picture or video clip instead... > > go away with your "i am a private person and nobody needs things i do not > need" attitude - the major use of computer was, is and will be business > and not peopole who do bot know what business is because they get no job > I've never said 'nobody needs'. I'm just pointing out the split between producing and consuming data and media and that there tend to be more consumers than producers (as it should be with content where copying and transporting is nearly free). Thus I consider your comments about 'the majority' to be very wrong. That is, for everyone editing video with it's necessary input devices you should expect many people watching with a simple interface, or for everyone programming in eclipse there will be many users of the resulting program interacting with it's (probably) simple interface. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 17.11.2011 14:44, schrieb Les Mikesell: >> Not sure I understand - a soft keyboard only takes screen space when >> needed. And a very popular device is making news about its voice >> input app that is sort-of usable. > > i do not speak about soft-keyboard > > i speak about wasting braindead space with big icons and big spaces between > icons to make interfaces better working with touch-displays while it wastes > space for users of a classical computer > > and PLEASE do not tell me about usability of small icons for some people since > i am nearly blind on my right eye after some medical operations in the context > computer screen and have on the left one 60-75% - that does not change the > fact that i could jump in any developers face which is wasting space on > my screen so that i see finally the same on my 23" as some years before > with 17" > >> I think we are only a few years away from fully usable voice controls >> which will eliminate any size requirements for your end point device. >> Keyboard input isn't really that great anyway. > > *lol* > > you really believe you want to write a letter with voice control? people do this right now > you really believe you want operate with eclipse and voice control? probably not but eclipse is used by only a small percentage of people with specific needs > you really believe you want to operate in a root-terminal with voice control? sure > you really believe you want to edit config-files with voice control? sure > you really believe you want to work with spreadsheets and voice control? sure > you really believe you want to work with GIMP and voice control? that would take considerable advancement of vocal interface > you really believe you want to edit videos with voice control? sure > you can replace "voice control" with "touch-keyboard"! > > recognize that there are MANY users which are NOT plaing a little bit > with their devices - they are WORKING with their devices and in times > where nearly in all jobs computers are needed to do the daily work > it is simply ignorant start designing interfaces PRIMARY for the next > big thing because some homeusers are happy with all this crap development follows the money. Computer sales are flat and convergent devices such as smart phones and tablets are selling. Why is it so hard to figure out that computer development is following the money? Recognize that it's not just Linux development but Microsoft is developing Windows 8 to run on many different hardware platforms including ARM and it's clear that they see this as essential to their continued existence. Apple is seeking to parlay their small device success into greater penetration into the main computer sales. You are seeing the convergence of what is known as smart phones, tablet computing and the personal computer into an amorphous OS that can take any form. Don't forget that even the computer on everyone's desk at their work place is really just a 'personal computer' with some ability to use shared resources, whether physically at the office or somewhere in the Internet cloud. As for the majority... more than 50% of all phones sold now are smart phones. Soon everyone, everywhere will have one. Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Am 17.11.2011 17:02, schrieb Craig White: > As for the majority... more than 50% of all phones sold now are smart phones. > Soon everyone, everywhere will have one. and for you this does mean they have ONLY a smartphone jesus christ i have a smartphone too and i like optimized interfaces for it, but it is braindead optimize everything in the first place for smartphones you are missing the fact that having millions of smartphones flying around is worthless without look how often and how long they are permanently used if i am at home or at work i am using my workstations, and this is 90% of time if i am outside (lunch, parties, in a train...) i am using my smartphone and please to not tell the world that i am the only one. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Craig White wrote: > On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 17.11.2011 14:44, schrieb Les Mikesell: > As for the majority... more than 50% of all phones sold now are smart > phones. Soon everyone, everywhere will have one. Ah, now I understand: you've drunk the Kool-Aid. No, NOT everyone will have one. Not everyone *wants* one. Try looking at the surveys that happen every year or two, and something like 2/3rds of older Americans, and a good percentage of younger, only want A PHONE THAT WORKS, so that they can call someone and do this thing called "talk". They don't want to screw around with a phone. And that's not going to change... unless, as I said yesterday, you, personally, want to spring the money out of your pocket for, say, me to have eye surgery, so I get 15/20 vision, so I can *read* the friggin' email at 4 point type. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On 11/17/11 8:02 AM, Craig White wrote: > As for the majority... more than 50% of all phones sold now are smart phones. > Soon everyone, everywhere will have one. So they all can walk off a cliff while fondling their angrybirds like a bunch of lemmings. That said, what in Dogs name does this thread have to do with CentOS??Can we please STOP already? -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:38 AM, John R Pierce wrote: > That said, what in Dogs name does this thread have to do with > CentOS?? Can we please STOP already? Hi, Not wanting to drag out this topic, or post anything inflamatory. Also I am not necessarily replying only to John, but to the thread in general :-) Where I work, a number of staff are being given ipods and ipads to use corporate web applications. The system is eventually going to completely replace a network of thin clients around the place. In my opinion, the touch screen creates a whole new paradigm for computing. The downside of this paradigm shift, is that our employee facing systems do need to be updated to fully support touch screens. In our tests, we have found users WANT to use an ipod to help them with their work. And when they use an ipod, they take more pride in their work, and make less errors. And when they do make errors, they tend to fix them on the spot. This all has something to do with CentOS in a round-about way. I am using CentOS to host our corporate web apps in a tomcat6 instance. Just adding my 2 cents. Regards, Dan ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 11:14 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 17.11.2011 14:44, schrieb Les Mikesell: > > > As for the majority... more than 50% of all phones sold now are smart > > phones. Soon everyone, everywhere will have one. > > Ah, now I understand: you've drunk the Kool-Aid. > > No, NOT everyone will have one. Not everyone *wants* one. Try looking at > the surveys that happen every year or two, and something like 2/3rds of > older Americans, and a good percentage of younger, only want A PHONE THAT > WORKS, so that they can call someone and do this thing called "talk". They > don't want to screw around with a phone. > > And that's not going to change... unless, as I said yesterday, you, > personally, want to spring the money out of your pocket for, say, me to > have eye surgery, so I get 15/20 vision, so I can *read* the friggin' > email at 4 point type. Clearly you are out of touch with reality here... http://www.mobilechoices.co.uk/news/older-mobile-users-switch-on-to-smartphones-09.html >From which I quote... "While a US study found that just 30% of over-55s currently have smartphones, their rate of ownership jumped by 5% in the last three months alone." Survey source... Nielson Here's a hint... they have this technology called pinch to zoom which allows you to make everything large enough to compensate for your vision problems. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Thursday, November 17, 2011 08:02:00 AM Craig White wrote: > development follows the money. Computer sales are flat and convergent > devices such as smart phones and tablets are selling. Why is it so hard to > figure out that computer development is following the money? > > Recognize that it's not just Linux development but Microsoft is developing > Windows 8 to run on many different hardware platforms including ARM and > it's clear that they see this as essential to their continued existence. > Apple is seeking to parlay their small device success into greater > penetration into the main computer sales. You are seeing the convergence > of what is known as smart phones, tablet computing and the personal > computer into an amorphous OS that can take any form. Don't forget that > even the computer on everyone's desk at their work place is really just a > 'personal computer' with some ability to use shared resources, whether > physically at the office or somewhere in the Internet cloud. > > As for the majority... more than 50% of all phones sold now are smart > phones. Soon everyone, everywhere will have one. How did this thread get started on CentOS? Anyway, I do a good 1/3 to 1/2 of my casual browsing on my Moto Droid 2. When I listen to the "radio", I use my phone with a blue tooth headset and an app that lets me listen to any radio station anywhere in the world. I read books on my phone, I answer lightweight emails, schedule meetings, skype chat, play a game or two, read a 'book' with my nook app. I reset my sprinklers by downloading the PDF manual and reading it on my phone while I dicker with the buttons. Why my Internet capable smart phone is far easier to use than my sprinkler timer is reason enough for a smart competitor to bankrupt Rainbird. Anybody who doesn't think smart phones are going to be mainstream is missing something! No, I don't code on my phone, but I don't crack out my laptop at the bus stop, either. My smart phone, with its slide-out keyboard, does passable-to-great at everything up to serious work. Give it an optional external monitor/keyboard, and it could easily grow into that, too, given a few years. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On 11/17/11 5:40 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: > This all has something to do with CentOS in a round-about way. I am > using CentOS to host our corporate web apps in a tomcat6 instance. except, nothing aobut centos's user interface is different than its upstream source. so, if you want to champion user interface paradigm shifts, you should be doing it upstream, not here. if said upstream vendor adds fondleslab-friendly user interfaces, they'll be adopted by centos. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:58 AM, John R Pierce wrote: >> This all has something to do with CentOS in a round-about way. I am >> using CentOS to host our corporate web apps in a tomcat6 instance. > > except, nothing aobut centos's user interface is different than its > upstream source. > > so, if you want to champion user interface paradigm shifts, you should > be doing it upstream, not here. if said upstream vendor adds > fondleslab-friendly user interfaces, they'll be adopted by centos. If you are writing java web stuff that runs under tomcat, the OS hosting it is nearly irrelevant. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Vreme: 11/17/2011 03:29 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan piše: > OTOH, Voice training is easier using the language substrate of > Sanskrit (the oldest and most well defined "language" spoken by very > few in India) and can be easily adapted to Indian Languages, at least. Actually, simplest Voice recognition would be for ex-Yugoslavia (Serbian-Croatian, Slovenian and Macedonian) languages. The language reform in late 19th century gave us "one sound = one letter, one letter = one sound" reading/writing. There are 30 sounds and letters in Cyrillic and 27+3 in Latin script. So "voice" would be written as "vojs", "people" as "pipl", "trouble" as "trabl", "throughout" as "truaut" and "throughput" as "truput". Grammar is somewhat harder, but as for voice recognition goes, I have never heard of easier language. But there is only 20-30 million speaking it/them. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
Can you all please move this subthread "the majority will NEVER use smartphones" elsewhere? Discuss it on Facebook if you have to. Thanks! Kai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] the majority will NEVER use smartphones
On 11/18/2011 06:24 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Grammar is somewhat harder, but as for voice recognition goes, I have > never heard of easier language. > But there is only 20-30 million speaking it/them. Large chunks of this thread are irrelevant to CentOS. People have repeatedly asked for the OT content to move away. Everyone posting to this thread with content that isnt specific to CentOS ( which, therefore excludes RH and SL as well ) gets moderated. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
