Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-06 Thread forum
I'm almost certain MediaTemple has all that. If you don't care about a fancy 
frontend, I can supply all that with my servers very cheaply. E-mail me if 
interested.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:24:05 
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-06 Thread James Matthews
ServerBeach hosted YouTube before they moved to Google

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Chuck Munro  wrote:

>
>
> > Jason Pyeron" wrote:
> >
> > Can I get some recommendations:
> >
> > We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
> >
> > 1: SLA
> > 2: SSH access
> > 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
> >
> > Would like them to include http/https and email.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > -Jason
>
> ---
>
> If you want serious control over the machine and are willing to pay a bit
> more for a dedicated server, take a look at ServerBeach.  They offer
> several
> operating systems, including CentOS, and give you control over the box to
> the point that you can even re-image the disk remotely if you truly screw
> something up.  If you do something nasty to it and cause it to lock up, you
> can still remotely reboot.  Hardware RAID-1 is available.
>
> You get out-of-the-box CentOS and are allowed to install pretty well
> anything you like, including virtual machines on top.  If you need reverse
> DNS lookups you can request whatever response you'd like for the IP
> address(es) you have.  Just be aware that what you get is simply a complete
> machine fully exposed to the Internet, and you're responsible for your own
> iptables firewalling, etc.  Their support staff is friendly and responsive,
> but they expect you to be your own geek.
>
> For DNS service I use Nettica because they are relatively inexpensive and
> give you control over all of the records.  I use GoDaddy strictly as a
> registrar, and have been very happy with the service, but I don't consider
> them a serious hosting provider because there's not enough control.
>
> I have used several of the free hosting and DNS services out there, but
> when
> it comes down to the crunch, you get what you pay for (CentOS is a great
> exception!)
>
> BTW, I have no connection with these companies, I just happen to like their
> services.  A lot.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-06 Thread John R Pierce
Bowie Bailey wrote:
> Rainer Duffner wrote:
>   
>> So you need 1-2 TB.
>> 
>
> ummmnot quite.
>
> 4 x 300GB in raid 1+0 = 600GB
> 2 x 500GB in raid 1   = 500GB
>
> So, 500-600 GB.
>   

vendors tend to quote the raw drive capacity as thats what costs money, 
not the usable space in a given raid configuration.



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-06 Thread Bowie Bailey
Rainer Duffner wrote:
> Am 03.04.2009 um 23:26 schrieb Karanbir Singh:
> 
> > Rainer Duffner wrote:
> > 
> > > How much space does a mirror need?
> > 
> > Ideally, 4 disk 300 GB in a raid1+0 is on a decent network link is
> > ideal. Otherwise 2x500gb's in raid1 work too.
> 
> 
> So you need 1-2 TB.

ummmnot quite.

4 x 300GB in raid 1+0 = 600GB
2 x 500GB in raid 1   = 500GB

So, 500-600 GB.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-04 Thread Chuck Munro
 

> Jason Pyeron" wrote:
> 
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
> 
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
> 
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
> 
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> -Jason 

---

If you want serious control over the machine and are willing to pay a bit
more for a dedicated server, take a look at ServerBeach.  They offer several
operating systems, including CentOS, and give you control over the box to
the point that you can even re-image the disk remotely if you truly screw
something up.  If you do something nasty to it and cause it to lock up, you
can still remotely reboot.  Hardware RAID-1 is available.

You get out-of-the-box CentOS and are allowed to install pretty well
anything you like, including virtual machines on top.  If you need reverse
DNS lookups you can request whatever response you'd like for the IP
address(es) you have.  Just be aware that what you get is simply a complete
machine fully exposed to the Internet, and you're responsible for your own
iptables firewalling, etc.  Their support staff is friendly and responsive,
but they expect you to be your own geek.

For DNS service I use Nettica because they are relatively inexpensive and
give you control over all of the records.  I use GoDaddy strictly as a
registrar, and have been very happy with the service, but I don't consider
them a serious hosting provider because there's not enough control.

I have used several of the free hosting and DNS services out there, but when
it comes down to the crunch, you get what you pay for (CentOS is a great
exception!)

BTW, I have no connection with these companies, I just happen to like their
services.  A lot.

Chuck

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Scott Silva
on 4-3-2009 2:29 PM Joshua Baker-LePain spake the following:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 at 2:26pm, Scott Silva wrote
> 
>> on 4-3-2009 10:16 AM David G. Miller spake the following:
> 
>>> When my oldest brother was living in upstate New York his employer gave
>>> him a temporary assignment in Plymouth, England.  One of the neighbors
>>> commented, "Won't that be a long drive?"
>>>
>> Like the comedian Jeff Foxworthy says, "Here's your sign!"
>>
> Close but no cigar -- that would be Bill Engval.
> 
All them rednecks look the same to me!  ;-P





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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Luke S Crawford  wrote:
> "Jason Pyeron"  writes:

> another note:  I would focus less on SLA and more on how often they are
> down (and how open they are about downtime.  Hiding downtime is a very
> bad sign.)  Does a free month really make up for any significant amount of
> downtime?

And, on their connectivity. My sites are on shared servers in two
different OLM   DCs, in CT. Multiple providers for connectivity. A day
or two ago, there was some problem/error caused by AT&T and
*everything* was offline, in the Stratford, CT DC, for 45 minutes or
an hour. Despite the best laid plans OLM has made and their redundant
connectivity, the DC was offline. Also, look at their emergency power.
The other DC is in an area that lost power a week or so ago and it's
nice that their emergency generators and UPS can keep things up and
running, as was the case. The kind of DC the server is in can make a
lot of difference. Look at the information about the DC your server
will be in and who is there, if there's a disaster at Midnight or 1
A.M., as happened in the Stratford DC a day or two ago...   I know OLM
does everything possible, to try to keep disasters from happening. Be
sure the DC you select does the same! Infrastructure is costly and
important.


I know on http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ one can find someone or a
company to "Manage" a Dedicated server or VPS, but as with any
"Managed" service, the OP and his company should completely understand
what their "Management" does or does not include. I suspect it will
cost more, for a "Fully Managed" dedicated or vps from the provider,
than buying the services separately, but not sure about that.
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Luke S Crawford
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 17:33
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> 
> "Jason Pyeron"  writes:
> 
> 
> > > Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because that's 
> > > what all the cool kids are doing now that VM technology is 
> > > commoditized.
> > > 
> > 
> > I do not have an opinion on this.
> 
> I think people are pushing the VPS service because people who 
> are interested in administering the OS are likely to want the 
> provider to handle the hardware and network, but let them 
> handle the Linux stuff.  this is where the responsibility is 
> split on a VPS.
> 
> And it is a very clean and clear line, which I like.  I am 
> responsible for the [virtual] hardware and network, you are 
> responsible for the Linux bits.
> Very clear.  when you are down, you know who is responsible.  
> 
> (I am a vps provider, but I am not what you want.  I do have 
> a SLA on the hardware/network, but I don't even have a login account
> on your VPS.   I like it.  I get to play with the bits I like. )  
> 
> another note:  I would focus less on SLA and more on how 
> often they are down (and how open they are about downtime.  
> Hiding downtime is a very bad sign.)  Does a free month 
> really make up for any significant amount of 
> downtime?   

Good review criteria, I like it. There is not an service credit on the planet
that would make things right, but there is insurance and the insurance rates
factor in what does the provider promise / provide / history

> 
> If you want that line to be between your code and whatever 
> language/framework you wrote your app in, you need to get 
> specialized hosting for that language/app.  
> 
> You are probably going to pay more for this than for more 
> 'generic' hosting or even than for VPS hosting, but if you 
> aren't good at or don't like being a SysAdmin, well, it's 
> probably worth it.  
> 

As it is not justifiable to have a dedicated sysadmin for one box, when you can
pay for a shared sysadmin.

For what my client would need, I coud admin the box very well, but I would have
to bill him for it.

> Personally, I think you should ask on a mailing list for 
> whatever your webapp is written in.  I know there are several 
> hosting companies who specialize in doing what you want for 
> ruby on rails, and thousands who
> specialize in doing this for PHP.

As such, "the web designer" has chimed in as said, you would not have these
problems if you let me put this in my black box. We shall see what debacles come
up next.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Rainer Duffner

Am 03.04.2009 um 23:26 schrieb Karanbir Singh:

> Rainer Duffner wrote:
>> VPS is only something that came up recently because real iron got too
>> fast for single projects.
>
> you must be joking. I find its quite easy to max out an 8 core machine
> on cpu cycles running a few dozen rsync's
>
>> How much space does a mirror need?
>
> Ideally, 4 disk 300 GB in a raid1+0 is on a decent network link is
> ideal. Otherwise 2x500gb's in raid1 work too.


So you need 1-2 TB.

I'll see what I can do.
We don't run a local mirror, yet, anyway.




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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 at 2:26pm, Scott Silva wrote

> on 4-3-2009 10:16 AM David G. Miller spake the following:

>> When my oldest brother was living in upstate New York his employer gave
>> him a temporary assignment in Plymouth, England.  One of the neighbors
>> commented, "Won't that be a long drive?"
>>
> Like the comedian Jeff Foxworthy says, "Here's your sign!"
>
Close but no cigar -- that would be Bill Engval.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Tommy Craddock
Jason Pyeron wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
> 
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
> 
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
> 
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> -Jason 
> 



Hi Jason,


Could I suggest Hivelocity.net?  I just started working here recently, 
and I can tell you that we offer all the above. Im not to sure if anyone 
on the list will have an opinion on the either way, and I cant give an 
unbiased one, but believe you would be satisfied with our cust service 
as well.  Im just a lowly tech, not a sales person either, so take that 
for what its worth.  HTH.

Tom Craddock

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Scott Silva
on 4-3-2009 10:16 AM David G. Miller spake the following:
> "Michael A. Peters"  wrote:
> 
>> Robert wrote:
>>   
 Niki Kovacs wrote:
 

>>> 
>> I'm in France (Europe),
   
 

 C'mon, Niki! Give us a break. Our knowledge of world geography is not 
 THAT bad on this side of the Atlantic.   :-) 
>>> 
>> Where's the Atlantic? Is that up in Canada?
>>
>>  ;) 
>>   
> When my oldest brother was living in upstate New York his employer gave 
> him a temporary assignment in Plymouth, England.  One of the neighbors 
> commented, "Won't that be a long drive?"
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
Like the comedian Jeff Foxworthy says, "Here's your sign!"



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Karanbir Singh
James Matthews wrote:
> try slicehost.com 
> 

I've heard that slicehost are a big CentOS user - which automatically 
leads me to think they should drop a few physical machines our way. Does 
anyone know people at SliceHost ? Would anyone like to ask them on our 
behalf ? I'd be happy to help / endorse the request.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Karanbir Singh
Rainer Duffner wrote:
> VPS is only something that came up recently because real iron got too  
> fast for single projects.

you must be joking. I find its quite easy to max out an 8 core machine 
on cpu cycles running a few dozen rsync's

> How much space does a mirror need?

Ideally, 4 disk 300 GB in a raid1+0 is on a decent network link is 
ideal. Otherwise 2x500gb's in raid1 work too.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Luke S Crawford
"Jason Pyeron"  writes:


> > Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because 
> > that's what all the cool kids are doing now that VM 
> > technology is commoditized.
> > 
> 
> I do not have an opinion on this.

I think people are pushing the VPS service because people who are interested
in administering the OS are likely to want the provider to handle the
hardware and network, but let them handle the Linux stuff.  this is 
where the responsibility is split on a VPS.

And it is a very clean and clear line, which I like.  I am responsible for 
the [virtual] hardware and network, you are responsible for the Linux bits.
Very clear.  when you are down, you know who is responsible.  

(I am a vps provider, but I am not what you want.  I do have
a SLA on the hardware/network, but I don't even have a login account
on your VPS.   I like it.  I get to play with the bits I like. )  

another note:  I would focus less on SLA and more on how often they are
down (and how open they are about downtime.  Hiding downtime is a very
bad sign.)  Does a free month really make up for any significant amount of 
downtime?   

If you want that line to be between your code and whatever language/framework 
you wrote your app in, you need to get specialized hosting for that 
language/app.  

You are probably going to pay more for this than for more 'generic' hosting
or even than for VPS hosting, but if you aren't good at or don't like being a
SysAdmin, well, it's probably worth it.  

Personally, I think you should ask on a mailing list for whatever your
webapp is written in.  I know there are several hosting companies who
specialize in doing what you want for ruby on rails, and thousands who
specialize in doing this for PHP.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread James Matthews
try slicehost.com

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Karanbir Singh  wrote:

> Rainer Duffner wrote:
> > Also, it's not my call to hand out free VPSs ;-)
>
> I didnt realise it was only VPS's you did - your email seemed to imply
> there were real iron on offer too.
>
> > But I could certainly ask.
> > What do you want to do with it?
>
> The entire centos infrastructure is built from donated hardware and
> network - and we can always use more machines in there for the
> mirror.centos.org and the mirror content distribution setup.
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Rainer Duffner

Am 03.04.2009 um 23:09 schrieb Karanbir Singh:

> Rainer Duffner wrote:
>> Also, it's not my call to hand out free VPSs ;-)
>
> I didnt realise it was only VPS's you did - your email seemed to imply
> there were real iron on offer too.
>


We mostly do real iron (managed).
VPS is only something that came up recently because real iron got too  
fast for single projects.
We also do Solaris zones and also VM-VI, of course.


>> But I could certainly ask.
>> What do you want to do with it?
>
> The entire centos infrastructure is built from donated hardware and
> network - and we can always use more machines in there for the
> mirror.centos.org and the mirror content distribution setup.


How much space does a mirror need?



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Karanbir Singh
Rainer Duffner wrote:
> Also, it's not my call to hand out free VPSs ;-)

I didnt realise it was only VPS's you did - your email seemed to imply 
there were real iron on offer too.

> But I could certainly ask.
> What do you want to do with it?

The entire centos infrastructure is built from donated hardware and 
network - and we can always use more machines in there for the 
mirror.centos.org and the mirror content distribution setup.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Rainer Duffner

Am 03.04.2009 um 22:57 schrieb Karanbir Singh:

> Rainer Duffner wrote:
>> I think you do not understand: he wants a managed VPS/manged root  
>> server.
>> Actually, my employer does provide those, but they are no bargains.
>> You get CentOS, though ;-)
>
> how about getting the project one ?



You mean for the CentOS project?

Hm. Haven't though about that. I assumed, CentOS had enough of  
everything (except maybe developers).
;-)

Also, it's not my call to hand out free VPSs ;-)
But I could certainly ask.
What do you want to do with it?



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Karanbir Singh
Rainer Duffner wrote:
> I think you do not understand: he wants a managed VPS/manged root server.
> Actually, my employer does provide those, but they are no bargains.
> You get CentOS, though ;-)

how about getting the project one ?


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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread William Warren
MHR wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jason Pyeron  wrote:
>   
>> Can I get some recommendations:
>>
>> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
>>
>> 1: SLA
>> 2: SSH access
>> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>>
>> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> 
>
> I don't know if they have everything you look for, but I have all of
> my personal web sites hosted at http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=10785129
> (that includes my id for a reference, please use it if you like them).
>
> They are cheap and have multiple levels of packages to support a lot
> of different kinds of businesses.
>
> Let me know if you choose them - I'm curious what you think.
>
> HTH
>
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I am renting a full root access vm from a friend of mine..gives me 
everything except the sla.  If you want the sla you are going to be 
looking at a fully managed service of some kind. 2 vcpu at 2.0ghz, 2 
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread MHR
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jason Pyeron  wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
>
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
>
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

I don't know if they have everything you look for, but I have all of
my personal web sites hosted at http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=10785129
(that includes my id for a reference, please use it if you like them).

They are cheap and have multiple levels of packages to support a lot
of different kinds of businesses.

Let me know if you choose them - I'm curious what you think.

HTH

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Warren Young
Jason Pyeron wrote:
>  
>> It's possible to 
>> install some kinds of software without root access, 
> 
> We will only need to push our "web application" 

Are we talking about PHP or similar?  In that case, you probably don't 
need root access.  I wouldn't really call that "installing software".  I 
reserve that term for stuff that typically lives under /usr or /opt.

If we're talking about anything that needs to be compiled and can't run 
from either /home or cgi-bin, I think we're back to root access or fully 
managed hosting.

>> Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because 
>> that's what all the cool kids are doing now that VM 
>> technology is commoditized.
> 
> I do not have an opinion on this.

Better get one.  VM technology is only going to become more pervasive. 
If you think you don't have any use for VMs, you're probably wrong. :) 
There's nowhere I use computers that I don't use VMs, now.

> Not willing to take responsibility, but willing to pay for it.

How much?  Fully managed hosting usually starts well North of $100 a month.
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Warren Young
Rainer Duffner wrote:
>> But you do want to install software.  It's possible to install some 
>> kinds of software without root access, but you're cutting yourself off 
>> from a huge world of software that doesn't allow this.
> 
> I think you do not understand: he wants a managed VPS/manged root server.

I thought about that, but assumed that since GoDaddy hosting was 
attractive to him in the first place, he's probably not looking for your 
sort of services.  But maybe this thread is his change of heart.  In 
that case, there are lots of managed hosting companies, and yeah, 
they're expensive.  Humans want to be paid enough to house themselves 
and eat, for some reason.
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Jason Pyeron

 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:30
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> 
> Jason Pyeron wrote:
> > 
> > 0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We 
> even don't 
> > want to change configurations.
> 
> But you do want to install software.  It's possible to 
> install some kinds of software without root access, but 
> you're cutting yourself off from a huge world of software 
> that doesn't allow this.

Exactly. We will only need to push our "web application" and pull our logs.

> 
> You can maybe install some simple CGI programs, and you'll 
> have to build everything from source, because you can't 
> change the RPM DB, you can't make servers listen on ports < 
> 1024, you'll have to reconfigure/rebuild anything that wants 
> to put config files in /etc  I don't see why you'd 
> shackle yourself like that.  You don't get "yum install thingy" 
> without root access.
> 

We can use rsync over ssh, scp, or subversion over ssh/https to do our push and
pulls. No need for more ... (insert 640k jokes)

> Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because 
> that's what all the cool kids are doing now that VM 
> technology is commoditized.
> 

I do not have an opinion on this.

> And on that note, we use VPSLink.  Their parent company, 
> Spry, offers VPSes with more hand-holding, at a higher price. 
>  You can get VPSes from either with various flavors of CentOS on them.
> 

Not insearch of hand holding, but out sourced responsibility, hence the SLA.

> And I can warn you off of WebIntellects.  Not bad people, but 
> I left them because their systems management policies were 
> too lackadaisical. 

Good to know, this is the Godaddy issue right now.

> If you were willing to monitor your site 24x7 from the 
> outside, you could maintain good uptimes.  

Not willing to take responsibility, but willing to pay for it.

> Otherwise, your 
> site could be down for hours until you noticed it, but they 
> would start counting the downtime from the time your reported 
> the problem, not from when it actually went down.

Could automate: * * * * * pingscript.sh || emailsupportscript.sh

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread David G. Miller
"Michael A. Peters"  wrote:

> Robert wrote:
>   
>> > Niki Kovacs wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>>> >> I'm in France (Europe),
>>>   
>> > 
>> > 
>> > C'mon, Niki! Give us a break. Our knowledge of world geography is not 
>> > THAT bad on this side of the Atlantic.   :-) 
>> 
>
> Where's the Atlantic? Is that up in Canada?
>
>  ;) 
>   
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Rainer Duffner
Warren Young schrieb:
> Jason Pyeron wrote:
>   
>> 0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We even don't want to
>> change configurations.
>> 
>
> But you do want to install software.  It's possible to install some 
> kinds of software without root access, but you're cutting yourself off 
> from a huge world of software that doesn't allow this.
>   


I think you do not understand: he wants a managed VPS/manged root server.

Actually, my employer does provide those, but they are no bargains.


You get CentOS, though ;-)



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Warren Young
Jason Pyeron wrote:
> 
> 0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We even don't want to
> change configurations.

But you do want to install software.  It's possible to install some 
kinds of software without root access, but you're cutting yourself off 
from a huge world of software that doesn't allow this.

You can maybe install some simple CGI programs, and you'll have to build 
everything from source, because you can't change the RPM DB, you can't 
make servers listen on ports < 1024, you'll have to reconfigure/rebuild 
anything that wants to put config files in /etc  I don't see why 
you'd shackle yourself like that.  You don't get "yum install thingy" 
without root access.

Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because that's what 
all the cool kids are doing now that VM technology is commoditized.

And on that note, we use VPSLink.  Their parent company, Spry, offers 
VPSes with more hand-holding, at a higher price.  You can get VPSes from 
either with various flavors of CentOS on them.

And I can warn you off of WebIntellects.  Not bad people, but I left 
them because their systems management policies were too lackadaisical. 
If you were willing to monitor your site 24x7 from the outside, you 
could maintain good uptimes.  Otherwise, your site could be down for 
hours until you noticed it, but they would start counting the downtime 
from the time your reported the problem, not from when it actually went 
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert wrote:
> Niki Kovacs wrote:
> 
> 
>> I'm in France (Europe),
> 
> 
> C'mon, Niki! Give us a break. Our knowledge of world geography is not 
> THAT bad on this side of the Atlantic.  :-)

Where's the Atlantic? Is that up in Canada?

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Robert
Niki Kovacs wrote:


> I'm in France (Europe),


C'mon, Niki! Give us a break. Our knowledge of world geography is not 
THAT bad on this side of the Atlantic.  :-)

On a more serious note, I was thinking while reading the list the 
morning what a great statement it makes for the dedication of the guys 
who make CentOS work and for their product, that there are questions 
about providers, software choices and general banter only 2 days after 
the release of several hundred megabytes of updated software being 
glommed by hundreds of thousands of users.  Thanks!



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Niki Kovacs
Jason Pyeron a écrit :
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) 

I'm in France (Europe), and I'm using a cheap dedicated server by OVH. 
Support is forum only, so that's how they keep the cost down. Reasonably 
fast machine, 250 GB harddisk, full root access, CentOS base install 
(several Linux distros on offer, with CentOS, Slackware and Debian in 
the "expert" selection), ssh access... and from there on, you do 
anything you like on this machine. Bandwidth is a real 100 Mbps, and the 
whole thing costs only around 25 euros a month. Looks pretty much 
unbeatable.

cheers,

Niki Kovacs

PS: I'm running a database server for eleven small public libraries on 
it... plus my private webradio to fill some extra unused bandwidth: 
http://91.121.7.181:8000/radionovak.ogg :o)
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-03 Thread Jason Pyeron
To those that have sent off list emails, thank you. 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dukes
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 18:30
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: centos-boun...@centos.org
> > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jason Pyeron
> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:55 PM
> > To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> > Subject: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> > 
> > Can I get some recommendations:
> > 
> > We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
> > 

0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We even don't want to
change configurations.

> > 1: SLA

We have a shared account with godaddy, and they told us that there is a known
issue with connectivity (actually it was server load of 2x # of cpus) and we
could not be relocated to another server, and if we wanted expidited response we
would have to pay 150$/hour.

> > 2: SSH access

We only want to chage our files, get our logs

> > 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile 
> > source.

cd html.swap && svn up && cd .. && mv html html.swap2 && mv html.swap html && mv
html.swap2 html

Or change the svn up with a rsync -e ssh


> > 
> > Would like them to include http/https and email.
> > 
> > Any suggestions? 
> > 
> > -Jason
> 
> I have used godaddy for hosting my e-commerce site for years. 
>  You probably need to go with one of their shared servers or 
> dedicated servers.  You won't get what you need in a hosting plan.
> 

That is what we have.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Kurt Hansen
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 4-2-2009 1:54 PM Jason Pyeron spake the following:
>   
>> Can I get some recommendations:
>>
>> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
>>
>> 1: SLA
>> 2: SSH access
>> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>>
>> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>>
>> 
> Have a look at the hosting providers that sponsor CentOS. After all they are
> part of the reason CentOS is so good!
>
> http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=15
>
>   
I have personal experience with one of those though -- Superb.

Their name is a misnomer, unless it is used as an adverb describing bad.

I've had great service from liquidweb.com, but they aren't cheap.

Take care,

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Scott Silva
on 4-2-2009 1:54 PM Jason Pyeron spake the following:
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
> 
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
> 
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
> 
Have a look at the hosting providers that sponsor CentOS. After all they are
part of the reason CentOS is so good!

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=15





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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread NiftyClusters T Mitchell
2009/4/2 Ron Blizzard :
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jason Pyeron  wrote:
>>
>> Can I get some recommendations


Check with dreamhost.com.



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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jason Pyeron  wrote:

> Can I get some recommendations:
>
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
>
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

You can check out 000Webhost (www.000webhost.com)

I don't know if they have everything you need, but they do provide SSH
access with their Premium (paid) service ($4.84 a month). I've signed up for
their free hosting and it works well, I can't vouch for their paid service.

One that my brother and I have used for a long time is 34SP (www.34sp.com).
They started in the United States but moved to England, but have great
service. They specifically mention rsynch in their business plan, but
there's no specific mention of ssh -- so you would have to ask. (Again, our
needs are more of the hobbyist type.)

We had some issue with GoDaddy, can't remember exactly what it was now (I
think they wanted more control), so we went with Dotster via ZoneEdit (
www.ZoneEdit.com). ZoneEdit is a nice tool -- gives you more control over
your domain name -- and free for small "hobbyist" web builders.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Karanbir Singh  wrote:
> Jason Pyeron wrote:
>> Can I get some recommendations:
>> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
>> 1: SLA
>> 2: SSH access
>> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>> Any suggestions?
>
> now is a good time to point out that given X number of hosting
> companies, the ones that support centos directly are better than the
> ones that dont :) and you can find a list of a few of these people who
> directly support CentOS at http://www.centos.org/mirrors

I strongly agree with  Karanbir that it would be preferable to be on a
Server with CentOS. Both of my sites are on Shared servers at OLM. You
can also look on   and get a lot of
information in the forums. At least one person on this list has a
Dedicated server at OLM and is happy with it. As I write this, I can't
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Thomas Dukes
 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jason Pyeron
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:55 PM
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> 
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
> 
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / 
> compile source.
> 
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
> 
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> -Jason 

I have used godaddy for hosting my e-commerce site for years.  You probably
need to go with one of their shared servers or dedicated servers.  You won't
get what you need in a hosting plan.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread James A. Peltier
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jason Pyeron wrote:

> Can I get some recommendations:
>
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
>
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> -Jason

I use WebFaction

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Karanbir Singh
Jason Pyeron wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
> 
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
> 
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
> 
> Any suggestions? 

now is a good time to point out that given X number of hosting 
companies, the ones that support centos directly are better than the 
ones that dont :) and you can find a list of a few of these people who 
directly support CentOS at http://www.centos.org/mirrors

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Michel Daggelinckx
John R Pierce wrote:
> Jason Pyeron wrote:
>   
>> Can I get some recommendations:
>>
>> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
>>   
>> 
>
> godaddy is a registrar, not a hosting service.they pretend to be the 
> latter, but seriously...
>
>
> i'd be looking for someone providing either VPS or dedicated servers.  
> you get root, you get to configure.  lots and lots of choices.
>
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Rick
In article <49d526bf.7020...@mavin.com>,
John Plemons   wrote:

>Try network solutions...

I've never found them to be a good solution. There are plenty
around that are a lot better!

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:21:39 -0400 CentOS mailing list  wrote:

> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John Plemons
> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 16:58
> > To: CentOS mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> > 
> > Try network solutions...
> 
> 
> No ssh

TekTonic provides Virtual Servers running CentOS.  SSH is installed. 
You can install any addition stuff, including -devel packages, etc.

www.tektonic.net

Starting at $28/month (20gig disk, 512Meg RAM).

> 
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jason Pyeron wrote:
> > > Can I get some recommendations:
> > >
> > > We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
> > >
> > > 1: SLA
> > > 2: SSH access
> > > 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / 
> > compile source.
> > >
> > > Would like them to include http/https and email.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions? 
> > >
> > > -Jason
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Michael A. Peters
John R Pierce wrote:
> Jason Pyeron wrote:
>> Can I get some recommendations:
>>
>> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
>>   
> 
> godaddy is a registrar, not a hosting service.they pretend to be the 
> latter, but seriously...
> 
> 
> i'd be looking for someone providing either VPS or dedicated servers.  
> you get root, you get to configure.  lots and lots of choices.

I'm currently using linode.
I have CentOS running in a xen there.

My site is small low traffic, I can't vouch for how well it works in 
high traffic sites, but it is really nice to have full control.

You probably will have some updating to do - the only CentOS image 
available when I signed up was 5.0 but it yum updates no problem.
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Clint Dilks
Jason Pyeron wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
>
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
>
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
> -Jason 
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Hi Jason,

Check out http://rimuhosting.com/ I know they have good support staff 
and are flexible in the support they provide.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Belanger
Jason Pyeron wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
> 
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
> 
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.

I've been very happy with http://www.bluehost.com
They offer ssh, rsync, SSL, and seem to have a compiler installed.  Very
responsive service.  I've been using them for 15 months without a
single complaint of problem.

I have no affiliation with this company - just a client.
 > Would like them to include http/https and email.

Not sure about https - but I think so.  Email support includes
IMAP, POP and web via squirrel mail.

-Mark
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread John R Pierce
Jason Pyeron wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
>
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
>   

godaddy is a registrar, not a hosting service.they pretend to be the 
latter, but seriously...


i'd be looking for someone providing either VPS or dedicated servers.  
you get root, you get to configure.  lots and lots of choices.


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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org 
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John Plemons
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 16:58
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> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...
> 
> Try network solutions...


No ssh

> 
> john
> 
> 
> 
> Jason Pyeron wrote:
> > Can I get some recommendations:
> >
> > We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with
> >
> > 1: SLA
> > 2: SSH access
> > 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / 
> compile source.
> >
> > Would like them to include http/https and email.
> >
> > Any suggestions? 
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > -   -
> > - Jason Pyeron  PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us -
> > - Principal Consultant  10 West 24th Street #100-
> > - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218   -
> > -   -
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

2009-04-02 Thread John Plemons
Try network solutions...

john



Jason Pyeron wrote:
> Can I get some recommendations:
>
> We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with  
>
> 1: SLA
> 2: SSH access
> 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.
>
> Would like them to include http/https and email.
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
> -Jason 
>
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> -   -
> - Jason Pyeron  PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us -
> - Principal Consultant  10 West 24th Street #100-
> - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218   -
> -   -
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00.
>
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