Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Alessandro Baggi wrote: > I list, > I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish this > work. I know that on centos there are bacula and amanda but they are too > tape oriented. Another is that they are very powerfull but more complex. I > need a solution for small office for disk storage and I found Backup PC. > Many people say that it is great for small stuff and for great number of > data. > > What do you mean about Backup PC? > Any experiences? > What solution do you use? Les, who I'm sure will hop in, likes it. We have a home-grown system that automates rsync. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > > Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> I list, >> I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish this >> work. I know that on centos there are bacula and amanda but they are too >> tape oriented. Another is that they are very powerfull but more complex. I >> need a solution for small office for disk storage and I found Backup PC. >> Many people say that it is great for small stuff and for great number of >> data. >> >> What do you mean about Backup PC? >> Any experiences? >> What solution do you use? > > Les, who I'm sure will hop in, likes it. We have a home-grown system that > automates rsync. > > mark > I’ve been using BackupPC for several years for my 10 hosts, and works extremely well, however it can take a lot of disk space, so I’d recommend a dedicated drive for the backups. I’ve restored many files over the years but haven’t as yet needed to do a bare metal restore. One further recommendation I have is that you might also consider a second host that backs up the primary backup host in the event that it fails, which is what I’m doing, and because I have it I backup all my hosts to 2 different servers. The BackupPC list is very active at times and can provide you with lots of tips and help. Pete ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On Wed, May 6, 2015 2:46 pm, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> I list, >> I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish >> this >> work. I know that on centos there are bacula and amanda but they are >> too >> tape oriented. Another is that they are very powerfull but more complex. >> I >> need a solution for small office for disk storage and I found Backup PC. >> Many people say that it is great for small stuff and for great number of >> data. >> >> What do you mean about Backup PC? >> Any experiences? >> What solution do you use? > > Les, who I'm sure will hop in, likes it. We have a home-grown system that > automates rsync. > My assistant liked backuppc. It is OK and will do decent job for really small number of machines (thinking 3-4 IMHO). I run bacula which has close to a hundred of clients; all is stored in files on RAID units, no tapes. Once you configure it it is nice. But to make a configuration work for the first time is really challenging (says one who still managed to configure it ;-) Good luck! Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> I list, >> I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish >> this work. I know that on centos there are bacula and amanda but they are >> too tape oriented. Another is that they are very powerfull but more complex. >> I need a solution for small office for disk storage and I found Backup PC. >> Many people say that it is great for small stuff and for great number of >> data. >> >> What do you mean about Backup PC? >> Any experiences? >> What solution do you use? > > Les, who I'm sure will hop in, likes it. We have a home-grown system that > automates rsync. Oh, let me add that we use rsync with hard links, which saves a *lot* of space, and time. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On Wed, May 6, 2015 3:27 pm, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>> I list, >>> I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish >>> this work. I know that on centos there are bacula and amanda but they >>> are >>> too tape oriented. Another is that they are very powerfull but more > complex. >>> I need a solution for small office for disk storage and I found Backup >>> PC. >>> Many people say that it is great for small stuff and for great number >>> of >>> data. >>> >>> What do you mean about Backup PC? >>> Any experiences? >>> What solution do you use? >> >> Les, who I'm sure will hop in, likes it. We have a home-grown system >> that >> automates rsync. > > Oh, let me add that we use rsync with hard links, which saves a *lot* of > space, and time. > This sounds like Apple borrowed your idea for their time machine (I bet you are doing it for much-much linger than Apple time machine exists)! Valeri Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 3:27 pm, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> Alessandro Baggi wrote: I list, I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish this work. I know that on centos there are bacula and amanda but they are too tape oriented. Another is that they are very powerfull but more complex.I need a solution for small office for disk storage and I found Backup PC.Many people say that it is great for small stuff and for great number of data. What do you mean about Backup PC? Any experiences? What solution do you use? >>> >>> Les, who I'm sure will hop in, likes it. We have a home-grown system >>> that automates rsync. >> >> Oh, let me add that we use rsync with hard links, which saves a *lot* of >> space, and time. >> > This sounds like Apple borrowed your idea for their time machine (I bet > you are doing it for much-much linger than Apple time machine exists)! We try to keep five weeks. Except for the giant RAID boxen, which are more, ahhh, challenging to backup (or not, as the case may be). mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don't dismiss Amanda it works well in a disk based setup. I don't bother with the spooling disk though. I back up to virtual tape slots on an external disk and rotate three external disks; two are in the firesafe at work, one is on top of my PC. On 06/05/15 20:21, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > I list, I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to > accomplish this work. I know that on centos there are bacula and > amanda but they are too tape oriented. Another is that they are > very powerfull but more complex. I need a solution for small office > for disk storage and I found Backup PC. Many people say that it is > great for small stuff and for great number of data. > > What do you mean about Backup PC? Any experiences? What solution do > you use? > > Thanks in advances. > ___ CentOS mailing > list CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVSoxqAAoJEAF3yXsqtyBl7D0QAIcxxZPq8/CqQzP1apo+fKGa BimbScb4zf7fx9OH3C/8fmFUtxSiIXSCXqYT2AwStPaLnhqaeXchjOmLnT4Ev4Sb 37u64ykIi5Umu8ukJwtwpcD3eoW61Xy5rErf7g5oxKa4GOYtWrCOi7QEop9g/oh1 yQSEMVj2L0Y7wA5uzkKQJ58sicONUC58ZFGHNlpAMykAxD5p0vUn1bccCOWyGT/2 jduwLusLr4rbI46pTnD4hoVri4w3AjIzdi/wZySlq2ZSapOIc+PHP5CdKttKh4dd OFZvk3Y572S/6/T/wWgL7R6ve1OHeEh3kyTV51tiLpT28gmKD17kSWjXjBjiAoWt j4mfsVQdKC7nVNBRw+VJz7+LhHNaINc/23DquB5QjGzdsdOPfZbIFiqfT1YS0O2V rNrswvlTRFDXGauhE77GeFj8wfr9YjGbF/mmpl8sFeyzcVk1r+UdMg3qYZNVdm/p GRKaiC31ilsKZVGH6TSPkHyo3N22wM0A5gPF2wcpXs5cVAN9EcKSLxMVSMCLKT4h gImmnV21zrCVyDO59H2GiqO49vtrakDULI1zdo9nB58Rw4Tfp2HIgiRij1O46MFB TJpsJsK4v320HKb07sPTxPH2ysgu7dKF8zbp8I+y8Kc6MKAygU2vU2ZKWH0pKlej 9/vElQtUUseesx6gH++c =tD6K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 6 May 2015 at 22:49, J Martin Rushton wrote: > Don't dismiss Amanda it works well in a disk based setup. I don't > bother with the spooling disk though. I back up to virtual tape slots > on an external disk and rotate three external disks; two are in the > firesafe at work, one is on top of my PC. I can say the same about Bacula, just spooling to virtual tape slots on external disks work just fine here, it has worked more than a decade w/o a hitch and I'm not changing it for the sake of having a change any time soon (originally was backing to an external SCSI tape using DDS2 media virtually using the same config files but rotating multi-TB external disks is cheaper & easier). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/6/2015 1:34 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: My assistant liked backuppc. It is OK and will do decent job for really small number of machines (thinking 3-4 IMHO). I run bacula which has close to a hundred of clients; all is stored in files on RAID units, no tapes. Once you configure it it is nice. But to make a configuration work for the first time is really challenging (says one who still managed to configure it I've been using BackupPC to backup about 25-30 servers and VMs for a couple years now. My backup server has a 20TB raid dedicated to BackupPC, using XFS on LVM, on CentOS 6.latest... That backup raid is mirrored to an identical server in a seperate building via drbd for disaster recovery. I keep 12+ months of monthly full backups, and 30+ days of daily incrementals. The deduplicated and compressed backups of all this take all of 4800GB, containing 9.1 million files and 4369 directories. The full backups WOULD have taken 68TB and the incrementals 25TB without dedup. I'm very happy with it. its a 'pull' based backup, no agents are required for the clients... it can use a variety of methods, I mostly use rsync-over-ssh, all you need to configure is a ssh key so the backup server's backuppc user can connect to the target via ssh as a user with sufficient privs to backup the desired file systems. for my couple windows servers, I install a cygwin based rsync.BackupPC also can use nfs, smb, and tar-over-ssh as backup methods. adding a new host to the backup service takes me about 5 minutes. it would probably take even less time if I bothered to document and/or automate the process :) users can be given access to their own backups via the web interface, and they can either download single files, a tar or zip of a directory tree, or tell the server to push a restore onto the original target. you can download or restore ANY version of any file thats in the hive. the major downside is that ALL the backups have to be stored on one monolithic file system, and it uses tons of hard links. If you use XFS, this is not a problem.maintaining a backup of your backups can be done a couple ways, I am using drbd to a mirror server, but there's also a provision I haven't explored for generating archives. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Il 07/05/2015 00:47, John R Pierce ha scritto: On 5/6/2015 1:34 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: My assistant liked backuppc. It is OK and will do decent job for really small number of machines (thinking 3-4 IMHO). I run bacula which has close to a hundred of clients; all is stored in files on RAID units, no tapes. Once you configure it it is nice. But to make a configuration work for the first time is really challenging (says one who still managed to configure it I've been using BackupPC to backup about 25-30 servers and VMs for a couple years now. My backup server has a 20TB raid dedicated to BackupPC, using XFS on LVM, on CentOS 6.latest... That backup raid is mirrored to an identical server in a seperate building via drbd for disaster recovery. I keep 12+ months of monthly full backups, and 30+ days of daily incrementals. The deduplicated and compressed backups of all this take all of 4800GB, containing 9.1 million files and 4369 directories. The full backups WOULD have taken 68TB and the incrementals 25TB without dedup. I'm very happy with it. its a 'pull' based backup, no agents are required for the clients... it can use a variety of methods, I mostly use rsync-over-ssh, all you need to configure is a ssh key so the backup server's backuppc user can connect to the target via ssh as a user with sufficient privs to backup the desired file systems. for my couple windows servers, I install a cygwin based rsync.BackupPC also can use nfs, smb, and tar-over-ssh as backup methods. adding a new host to the backup service takes me about 5 minutes. it would probably take even less time if I bothered to document and/or automate the process :) users can be given access to their own backups via the web interface, and they can either download single files, a tar or zip of a directory tree, or tell the server to push a restore onto the original target. you can download or restore ANY version of any file thats in the hive. the major downside is that ALL the backups have to be stored on one monolithic file system, and it uses tons of hard links. If you use XFS, this is not a problem.maintaining a backup of your backups can be done a couple ways, I am using drbd to a mirror server, but there's also a provision I haven't explored for generating archives. Hi John, when disk is filled, on bacula we can recycle disk volumes. What's for BackupPC? There is automatic backup deletion over retention time? Thanks in advance. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Hello Alessandro, Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 9:21:10 PM, you wrote: > I'm new with backup ops and I'm searching a good system to accomplish this > work. Everybody has its favorite backup program, but why rely on only one system? I have to backup 8 servers and use three backup systems in parallel. -- BackupPC. Easy to use, nice user interface with graphical recovery of individual files. A pain to set up, basically, all errors in setup give the same error message. Reduces used space by hardlinks. Data structure is not transparent, so no recovery by browsing the storage directories. -- storeBackup. easy to use, easy to set up, but no nice user interface. Reduces used space nicely by using hardlinks. Used as second line of defence. Stores 1:1 copies of original filesystem, so easy browsing. -- tar. Used for disaster recovery. Produces large dumps. Only use it for system data, not for user data. Span all three systems on two independent backup machines. Put these backup servers into independent locations and sleep better :-) best regards --- Michael Schumacher ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Am 07.05.2015 um 08:35 schrieb Michael Schumacher : > > Everybody has its favorite backup program, but why rely on only one system? > > I have to backup 8 servers and use three backup systems in parallel. > > -- BackupPC. Easy to use, nice user interface with graphical recovery > of individual files. A pain to set up, basically, all errors in setup > give the same error message. Reduces used space by hardlinks. Data > structure is not transparent, so no recovery by browsing the storage > directories. > -- storeBackup. easy to use, easy to set up, but no nice user > interface. Reduces used space nicely by using hardlinks. Used as > second line of defence. Stores 1:1 copies of original filesystem, so > easy browsing. > -- tar. Used for disaster recovery. Produces large dumps. Only use it > for system data, not for user data. just another one (rsyns/hardlink based): rsnapshot its used here extensively and just works (storage browsable). -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
W dniu 06.05.2015 o 21:21, Alessandro Baggi pisze: > What do you mean about Backup PC? > Any experiences? > What solution do you use? BackupPC is good, howewer it's a pity you can't search for a file in GUI. But it works well, i'm backing up 32 hosts (servers, desktops). Can somebody tell me why it's not available for CentOS7? -- Over And Out MoonWolf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Il 07/05/2015 11:24, Marcin Trendota ha scritto: W dniu 06.05.2015 o 21:21, Alessandro Baggi pisze: What do you mean about Backup PC? Any experiences? What solution do you use? BackupPC is good, howewer it's a pity you can't search for a file in GUI. But it works well, i'm backing up 32 hosts (servers, desktops). Can somebody tell me why it's not available for CentOS7? I don't know why and don't know if in previous CentOS releases was included. BackupPC is available for C7 from nux repo, but this is an external repo. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
W dniu 07.05.2015 o 11:46, Alessandro Baggi pisze: > I don't know why and don't know if in previous CentOS releases was > included. It is in EPEL. > BackupPC is available for C7 from nux repo, but this is an external repo. Good enough, thanks for info. -- Over And Out MoonWolf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
I wonder why nobody has yet mentioned rdiff-backup. It combines browsable directories with multiple versions - the version data is stored in a separate rdiff-backup-data subdirectory (one per backup task). One downside is that rdiff-backup causes a lot of network traffic. For that reason I currently use rsync to copy over network, and then I use rdiff-backup locally to create a repository with multiple versions. Another system that we use is rdiffweb. It uses rdiff-backup over network and adds a web interface for clients to browse and restore files or directories. I did not personally set it up, but it seems to work fine. - Jussi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On May 7, 2015 6:05 AM, "Jussi Hirvi" wrote: > > I wonder why nobody has yet mentioned rdiff-backup. It combines browsable directories with multiple versions - the version data is stored in a separate rdiff-backup-data subdirectory (one per backup task). > > One downside is that rdiff-backup causes a lot of network traffic. For that reason I currently use rsync to copy over network, and then I use rdiff-backup locally to create a repository with multiple versions. > > Another system that we use is rdiffweb. It uses rdiff-backup over network and adds a web interface for clients to browse and restore files or directories. I did not personally set it up, but it seems to work fine. I am one of the people who use rsync with hardlinks. Reason is very simple and even humble: I built my home backup server around a OpenWrt - Seagate dockstar if you want to date that - box and an external backup drive. So I wanted something low resources that did not require me to install any packages. That script grew a bit (or a lot) and became my old job's backup code. But, I admit one think it does miss is having a convenient way to look for a file, specially if you physically rotate drives. If rdiff-backup will tell when was the last time a file has been backed up/touched even if drive with said file is not mounted, I will need to get to learn more about it. > > - Jussi > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Geenhuizen wrote: > I’ve been using BackupPC for several years for my 10 hosts, and works > extremely well, however it can take a lot of disk space, so I’d recommend > a dedicated drive for the backups. I've been running BackupPC on two home servers (in different places) running CentOS for many years, and am very happy with it. I actually backup to a different disk on the same server, and then archive that on an external disk every couple of months. The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message "Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. Possibly the worst error message anywhere? -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 05/07/2015 05:04 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: I wonder why nobody has yet mentioned rdiff-backup. It combines browsable directories with multiple versions - the version data is stored in a separate rdiff-backup-data subdirectory (one per backup task). I use rdiff-backup, but I hesitate to recommend a tool that has been unsupported for over 6 years and does have quite a few bugs. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 2015-05-06, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > This sounds like Apple borrowed your idea for their time machine (I bet > you are doing it for much-much linger than Apple time machine exists)! rsnapshot has been using rsync with hard links for ages. http://rsnapshot.org/ --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Il 07/05/2015 11:55, Marcin Trendota ha scritto: W dniu 07.05.2015 o 11:46, Alessandro Baggi pisze: I don't know why and don't know if in previous CentOS releases was included. It is in EPEL. BackupPC is available for C7 from nux repo, but this is an external repo. Good enough, thanks for info. Then, I'm trying BackupPc 3.3.1, Installed, configured, CGI configured. I've some questions: 1) There is a systemd start file? 2) Apache on C7 seems not have mod_perl support. There is a way to accomplish this? Thanks in advance. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 7.5.2015 14.24, Mauricio Tavares wrote: I admit one think it does miss is having a convenient way to look for a file, specially if you physically rotate drives. If rdiff-backup will tell when was the last time a file has been backed up/touched even if drive with said file is not mounted, I will need to get to learn more about it. I don't think rdiff-backup would work with rotated drives - not really. You could make it work to some extent with some cumbersome gimmicks, but not perfectly. I found this thread on the subject: http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/rdiff-backup-23/rdiff-backup-and-rotated-external-drives-122523/ But why rotate drives? Big drives are not very expensive nowadays. Regards, Jussi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
--On Thursday, May 07, 2015 06:41:03 PM +0300 Jussi Hirvi wrote: But why rotate drives? Big drives are not very expensive nowadays. 1. Redundant copies. 2. Sometimes your filesystems are larger than the largest drives. For example, I'm currently seting up backups for a 24TB filesystem where a network-based DR is not feasible (the average rate of churn exceeds the available network bandwidth). Good luck trying to find drives that big. I had a sense of deja vu the other day; I was taken back to the time when I first ran into a filesystem that was larger than the size of a backup tape and the software I was using at the time (Amanda) had the assumption that a single filesystem was smaller than a single tape. (I understand they fixed that assumption shortly thereafter, but I had already moved on to another product.) For the record, my favourite product is Bacula. Devin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/7/2015 4:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message "Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. Possibly the worst error message anywhere? thats an rsync protocol message, and yeah, debugging connection/authentication issues is a bit ugly. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/6/2015 11:23 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: when disk is filled, on bacula we can recycle disk volumes. What's for BackupPC? There is automatic backup deletion over retention time? my year of monthlies and month of dailies of 25 servers has been more or less constant size for a year or two now as it deletes the oldest backups. I don't think there's an option to delete based on volume free space, its age based, so you adjust the retention age to suit. the compression and dedup works so well it amazes me, that I have about 100TB worth of incremental backups stored on 6TB of actual disk. My backup servers actually have 32TB after raid 6+0, but only 20TB is currently allocated to the backuppc data volume, so I can grow the /data volume if needed. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
John R Pierce wrote: > On 5/7/2015 4:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message >> "Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. >> Possibly the worst error message anywhere? > > thats an rsync protocol message, and yeah, debugging > connection/authentication issues is a bit ugly. I'm sure you are right. But I use rsync several times a day, and I have never received this message. It's not ugly, it is inexcusable. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/7/2015 2:21 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: John R Pierce wrote: >On 5/7/2015 4:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message >>"Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. >>Possibly the worst error message anywhere? > >thats an rsync protocol message, and yeah, debugging >connection/authentication issues is a bit ugly. I'm sure you are right. But I use rsync several times a day, and I have never received this message. It's not ugly, it is inexcusable. I just tried a command line rsync to a host that wasn't listening to ssh at all, and got.. ssh: connect to host castillc2-PC port 22: Connection timed out rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(600) [receiver=3.0.6] not exactly the pinnacle of clarity. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of John R Pierce > Sent: den 7 maj 2015 19:09 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution > > my year of monthlies and month of dailies of 25 servers has been more or > less constant size for a year or two now as it deletes the oldest > backups. May I ask what your settings are to achieve that retention rate? Thanks. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Timothy Murphy > Sent: den 7 maj 2015 23:21 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution > > >> The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message > >> "Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. > >> Possibly the worst error message anywhere? > > > > thats an rsync protocol message, and yeah, debugging > > connection/authentication issues is a bit ugly. > > I'm sure you are right. > But I use rsync several times a day, and I have never received this message. > > It's not ugly, it is inexcusable. Yeah, well, but it's free. I'm not sure you can complain too much in that case. 8-) -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
Sorin Srbu wrote: >> >> The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message >> >> "Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. >> >> Possibly the worst error message anywhere? >> > >> > thats an rsync protocol message, and yeah, debugging >> > connection/authentication issues is a bit ugly. >> >> I'm sure you are right. >> But I use rsync several times a day, and I have never received this >> message. >> >> It's not ugly, it is inexcusable. > Yeah, well, but it's free. > I'm not sure you can complain too much in that case. 8-) I find this comment, often made, completely unacceptable. The implication is that inferior code is OK if the developer is not being paid. (Actually, the premise is probably nonsense, as most Linux developers _are_ paid, even if formally their pay is not specifically for Linux development. But presumably the company that pays them believes that it is of value to the company to have a Linux developer on board.) But is Linux code in fact inferior to code produced by Microsoft, say? I don't think so. And I don't think Linux developers are less keen to improve their code. Just the opposite. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 01:59:12PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Sorin Srbu wrote: > > >> >> The worst thing about BackupPC is the insane error message > >> >> "Unable to read 4 bytes", which comes up if anything is wrong. > >> >> Possibly the worst error message anywhere? > >> > > >> > thats an rsync protocol message, and yeah, debugging > >> > connection/authentication issues is a bit ugly. > >> > >> I'm sure you are right. > >> But I use rsync several times a day, and I have never received this > >> message. > >> > >> It's not ugly, it is inexcusable. It may not be rsync fault. I vaguely recall that BackupPC uses an ancient (~2006) Perl rsync library, which, for instance, does not support compressed transfers. Maybe that terse message is all that BackupPC gets from the library. :-) Mihai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/7/2015 11:44 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: May I ask what your settings are to achieve that retention rate? there's a lot of settings... but these are probably applicable... Main Config: Schedule: FullPeriod: 27.9 FullKeepCnt: 24 FullKeepCntMin: 8 FullAgeMax: 360 IncrPeriod: 0.97 IncrKeepCnt: 30 IncrKeepMin: 1 IncrAgeMax: 30 IncrLevels: 1 on a few hosts where dailies are not appropriate due to how long they take, I override to do weekly incrementals instead Schedule: FullPeriod: 89.6 FullKeepCnt: 2 FullKeepCntMin: 2 IncrPeriod: 6.97 IncrKeepCnt: 15 IncrAgeMax: 100 many of those are probably defaults, but I didn't keep track which ones I modified another thing, many of my servers are SQL database servers (mostly postgresql and oracle). I do NOT backup the sql data file systems directly with backuppc, instead, I have the SQL do archiving or scheduled dumps, and I backup those archive and dump destinations... -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On Fri, May 8, 2015 07:59, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Sorin Srbu wrote: >> Yeah, well, but it's free. >> I'm not sure you can complain too much in that case. 8-) > > I find this comment, often made, completely unacceptable. > The implication is that inferior code is OK > if the developer is not being paid. > > (Actually, the premise is probably nonsense, > as most Linux developers _are_ paid, even if formally > their pay is not specifically for Linux development. > But presumably the company that pays them believes that > it is of value to the company to have a Linux developer on board.) > > But is Linux code in fact inferior to code produced by Microsoft, say? > I don't think so. > And I don't think Linux developers are less keen to improve their > code. > Just the opposite. > > The difference is that a large portion of the FOSS corpus, if not a preponderant majority, is ultimately dependent upon the interest of the people responsible for its existance and not the people using it. Once a project's core team either loses enthusiasm for something, or have otherwise moved on in life, their project oft-times is left without any meaningful support. If a project is backed/picked up by a corporation, say Redhat or Oracle, or a foundation, say Apache or LibreOffice, then it may have a future more or less independent of any single individual or group. Otherwise it does not. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On May 8, 2015, at 10:24 AM, James B. Byrne wrote: > > If a project is backed/picked up by a corporation, say Redhat or > Oracle, or a foundation, say Apache or LibreOffice, then it may have a > future more or less independent of any single individual or group. Commercial software and company-backed F/OSS software gets abandoned all the time. - OpenOffice may well die due to brain drain from LibreOffice. They’ve both got big corporate backers. - The MySQL mailing list is getting a tiny fraction of the traffic it once enjoyed before the Oracle takeover; MySQL won’t go away any time soon for reasons of inertia, but MariaDB and NoSQL are surely taking large bites out of its user base. - Remember ESD and aRTS? They’ve all but been killed off by PulseAudio. They were the “standard” of their time, backed by major Linux distributors. - How many “standard” window managers has GNOME had over the years? - How many desktop managers and GUI toolkits preceded GNOME/Gtk? NeWS, NeXTSTEP, CDE/Motif, Tk, all with big-name support in their day. - Adobe’s killed off dozens of products over the years. FrameMaker, Director, Flash Builder, PageMaker, Contribute, Fireworks… - Got a smartphone? How many apps have you bought that never went anywhere after they got your money? There’s more than one in my case, at least. At least with F/OSS, you have the option of taking over maintainership of an abandoned code base. My company has done that a few times now, as it was easier to do that than switch to the abandoned package’s replacement. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/8/2015 10:40 AM, Warren Young wrote: - Adobe’s killed off dozens of products over the years. FrameMaker ... Frame isn't dead, my wife is a technical writer in the EDA (electronic design automation) business, and thats about all they use. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On May 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > > On 5/8/2015 10:40 AM, Warren Young wrote: >> - Adobe’s killed off dozens of products over the years. FrameMaker ... > > Frame isn't dead When I think of FrameMaker, I think of the program that started out on Solaris, then moved to other big iron Unices and OS X. Wikipedia informs me that it’s been Windows-only for about a decade, which must be how it dropped off my radar. Still, it’s good to know the old thing is still shambling along in some form. I was impressed with it when I used it way back when. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/8/2015 12:47 PM, Warren Young wrote: On May 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 5/8/2015 10:40 AM, Warren Young wrote: - Adobe’s killed off dozens of products over the years. FrameMaker ... Frame isn't dead When I think of FrameMaker, I think of the program that started out on Solaris, then moved to other big iron Unices and OS X. Wikipedia informs me that it’s been Windows-only for about a decade, which must be how it dropped off my radar. Still, it’s good to know the old thing is still shambling along in some form. I was impressed with it when I used it way back when. That does bring back memories of Solaris and Framemaker from the mid 90's. We had folks using Frame as a word processor, absolutely insane, especially since they had Applixware (originally Aster*x) installed on the same machines. Fun times! -- //steve ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of John R Pierce > Sent: den 8 maj 2015 17:12 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution > > On 5/7/2015 11:44 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > May I ask what your settings are to achieve that retention rate? > > there's a lot of settings... but these are probably applicable... > > Main Config: >Schedule: > FullPeriod: 27.9 > FullKeepCnt: 24 > FullKeepCntMin: 8 > FullAgeMax: 360 > IncrPeriod: 0.97 > IncrKeepCnt: 30 > IncrKeepMin: 1 > IncrAgeMax: 30 > IncrLevels: 1 > > on a few hosts where dailies are not appropriate due to how long they > take, I override to do weekly incrementals instead > >Schedule: > FullPeriod: 89.6 > FullKeepCnt: 2 > FullKeepCntMin: 2 > IncrPeriod: 6.97 > IncrKeepCnt: 15 > IncrAgeMax: 100 > > many of those are probably defaults, but I didn't keep track which ones > I modified > > another thing, many of my servers are SQL database servers (mostly > postgresql and oracle). I do NOT backup the sql data file systems > directly with backuppc, instead, I have the SQL do archiving or > scheduled dumps, and I backup those archive and dump destinations... Thanks, very much appreciated! I'll play around with the settings a bit more, but yours is a good starter. Thanks again! -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Sorin Srbu > Sent: den 11 maj 2015 07:49 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution > > > Main Config: > >Schedule: > > FullPeriod: 27.9 > > FullKeepCnt: 24 > > FullKeepCntMin: 8 > > FullAgeMax: 360 > > IncrPeriod: 0.97 > > IncrKeepCnt: 30 > > IncrKeepMin: 1 > > IncrAgeMax: 30 > > IncrLevels: 1 How did you get away with using 27,9 on Fullperiod? 8-) I'm seeing "Error: No save due to errors" and "Error: FullPeriod must be a real-valued number", unless I change the value to e.g. 27. This is on BPC v3.2.1. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/10/2015 11:03 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: How did you get away with using 27,9 on Fullperiod?8-) I'm seeing "Error: No save due to errors" and "Error: FullPeriod must be a real-valued number", unless I change the value to e.g. 27. This is on BPC v3.2.1. 27.9 not 27,9 (point, not comma). -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of John R Pierce > Sent: den 11 maj 2015 08:19 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution > > On 5/10/2015 11:03 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > How did you get away with using 27,9 on Fullperiod?8-) > > > > I'm seeing "Error: No save due to errors" and "Error: FullPeriod must be a > > real-valued number", unless I change the value to e.g. 27. > > > > This is on BPC v3.2.1. > > 27.9 not 27,9 (point, not comma). . Why can't everybody follow the standards and use a comma when writing decimals. ;-) Thanks for the heads-up! -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 5/10/2015 11:57 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: . Why can't everybody follow the standards and use a comma when writing decimals. our standard is a . comma is a 1000s seperator. thats the best part about standards, there are so many to choose from!! -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of John R Pierce > Sent: den 11 maj 2015 09:25 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution > > On 5/10/2015 11:57 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > . Why can't everybody follow the standards and use a comma > when > > writing decimals. > > our standard is a . > > comma is a 1000s seperator. > > thats the best part about standards, there are so many to choose from!! Spot on. 8-D Thanks. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution
On 7/5/2015 5:01 μμ, Robert Nichols wrote: I use rdiff-backup, but I hesitate to recommend a tool that has been unsupported for over 6 years and does have quite a few bugs. I have had good experience with mondrescue (mondoarchive, mondorestore) for years. It's a free, active project. See: http://www.mondorescue.org/ We are backing-up about 20 production servers (using cron jobs) weekly. Bare-metal recovery has been successful as well as cloning. Their mailing list is helpful and polite. I has saved my neck many times during the last 5 years. Although I have no experience with mondorescue on Centos 7, I recommend it at least for the other versions. Nick ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
