Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spiro Harvey]

I know it's going farther off the beaten topic here, but just received
this email of warm wishes from our friend Spike Turner that I thought
I'd share.

It's not even necessary to insult him, he's done it all for himself.




On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:41:21 -0700 (PDT)
Spike Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Spiro Harvey wrote:
> 
> > Your comments were not constructive criticism. You're
> > just a whiny
> > little punk who can dish it out but gets upset when
> > it's flung back in
> > your direction.
> > 
> > Grow up.
> 
> If you were within reach I would punch you and you
> would spit all your teeth out. Having done martial arts
> and powerlifting, dealing with a punk like yourself would 
> not be a problem.
> 
> Spike.
> 
> 
>   
> 


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spiro Harvey]

Spike Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or 
> "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more
> appropriate?

> Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism 
> should be welcomed.

Your comments were not constructive criticism. You're just a whiny
little punk who can dish it out but gets upset when it's flung back in
your direction.

Grow up.


Do you know what the word "community" means? It means that if you see
something broken or out of date -- like the web page -- YOU offer to
fix it for the clearly overworked volunteers. 

That's the spirit of Linux and the spirit of community. Deal with it or
GTFO.


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Toby Bluhm]

MHR wrote:


As some will attest, the cost of said contributions may have now 
exceeded their value.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[MHR]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Spike Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism
> should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates
> for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a
> deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been
> wrong.
>
> I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20
> devs "should" in a community share the roles rather than leaving
> it all to one person.
>

Much as I hate to perpetuate this thread, since it has turned from
unkind to flames, this is what happens when you bite the hand that
feeds you.

It's so easy to criticize the work of others when you demonstrate a
lack of understanding or sympathy for those involved.

Spike, we've all seen your other contributions.  Some of them are
extremely helpful.  This kind are not.  Stick to the former, please.

TIA.

mhr
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Lanny Marcus]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Tru Huynh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26:12AM -0700, Spike Turner wrote:

> welcome to my kill file

Mine too.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spike Turner]

Tru Huynh wrote:

> welcome to my kill file, I have not taken my 
> medication so i may be unstable

Tru you need to find your tru calling. Meanwhile
take your medication and try this
dd if=/dev/zero of=/killfile bs=1024 count=1048576

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[John Hinton]

Spike Turner wrote:

Johnny Hughes  wrote:

  

It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.

I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there
are only so
many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat
and pay for
my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free
project so you
can have a free operating system that you do not
appreciate.  So that
you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for
free to suit
your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying
F$$$ what you
think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. 
Nope, nada,

don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA

The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and
provide links,

 The main website is not our major concern,
though we
would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.

If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another
distro that has
more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old
antics.




Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism 
should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates
for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a 
deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been 
wrong.


I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20
devs "should" in a community share the roles rather than leaving 
it all to one person.


Spike.
  

Whew Thanks Johnny... that was way past due.

Spike?

'S'uperfluous 'P'ain 'I'n 'K'eester 'E'veryday

When the word 'constructive' is used in front of 'criticism', it is 
meant as "promoting improvement or development", not the construction of 
a volcano. Either that or you've been confusing the many political ad 
tactics with 'promotion'?


John Hinton

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Michael Holmes]

Guys, this is getting really silly now. People are starting flame wars
because a small team of contributors, who spend their free time they could
be enjoying themselves doing more fun things, didn't update their website
with a releas?. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this ML is for CentOS users to
assist each other, not to post death threats and vague accusations. Keep on
topic and less of the flaming. Some people actually want to get useful info
about CentOS or voice their opinion in a reasonable way.

Just my $0.02.

- Mike
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Tru Huynh]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26:12AM -0700, Spike Turner wrote:
...

welcome to my kill file
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spike Turner]

Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
> 
> I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there
> are only so
> many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat
> and pay for
> my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free
> project so you
> can have a free operating system that you do not
> appreciate.  So that
> you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for
> free to suit
> your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying
> F$$$ what you
> think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. 
> Nope, nada,
> don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
> 
> The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and
> provide links,
> 
>  The main website is not our major concern,
> though we
> would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
> 
> If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another
> distro that has
> more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old
> antics.
> 

Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism 
should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates
for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a 
deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been 
wrong.

I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20
devs "should" in a community share the roles rather than leaving 
it all to one person.

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spike Turner]

Lanny Marcus wrote:

> I believe Johnny's words were very well chosen,
> accurate, excellent
> and to the point. He and the other CentOS Developers should
> know how
> much 99% of the CentOS user base appreciate their hard
> work, time and
> dedication to this project. Very rare for us to see Johnny
> respond
> like this and he was correct to do this. I don't think
> I have ever
> seen him write something like that before.  How easy it is
> to be
> critical and call people "Communists", on a
> public, technical mailing
> list.
> 

I believe it was a rhetorical question if the C is for
the non-existent "Community participation" or if the C is
for "Communism". Nowhere were people called "Communists".

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Lanny Marcus]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Johnny Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Spike Turner wrote:
>> R P Herrold  wrote:
>>
>>> yada, yada, grumble, mumble
>>
>> You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage
>> is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph
>> could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
>> the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
>>
>> Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or
>> "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more
>> appropriate?
>>
>> Spike.
>
> It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
>
> I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so
> many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for
> my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you
> can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate.  So that
> you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit
> your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you
> think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit.  Nope, nada,
> don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
>
> The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links,
> it would be quite nice if we had a sugar daddy like feodra ... it would
> also be nice if we had 1500 people who would do the web page updates,
> but you know what ... that is not what we have.  We are not Debian or
> Fedora with thousands of developers or dollars.  We are a group of 10-20
> active developers who care about the code, the ISOs and the trees that
> we distribute.  The main website is not our major concern, though we
> would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
>
> If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has
> more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.
>
> Thanks,
> Johnny Hughes

I believe Johnny's words were very well chosen, accurate, excellent
and to the point. He and the other CentOS Developers should know how
much 99% of the CentOS user base appreciate their hard work, time and
dedication to this project. Very rare for us to see Johnny respond
like this and he was correct to do this. I don't think I have ever
seen him write something like that before.  How easy it is to be
critical and call people "Communists", on a public, technical mailing
list.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Johnny Hughes]

Spike Turner wrote:
> R P Herrold  wrote:
> 
>> yada, yada, grumble, mumble
> 
> You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage 
> is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph
> could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
> the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
> 
> Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or 
> "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more
> appropriate?
> 
> Spike.

It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.

I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so
many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for
my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you
can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate.  So that
you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit
your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you
think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit.  Nope, nada,
don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA

The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links,
it would be quite nice if we had a sugar daddy like feodra ... it would
also be nice if we had 1500 people who would do the web page updates,
but you know what ... that is not what we have.  We are not Debian or
Fedora with thousands of developers or dollars.  We are a group of 10-20
active developers who care about the code, the ISOs and the trees that
we distribute.  The main website is not our major concern, though we
would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.

If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has
more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[William Warren]

Spike Turner wrote:

R P Herrold  wrote:

  

yada, yada, grumble, mumble



You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage 
is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph

could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.

Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or 
"Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more

appropriate?

Spike.


  


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If you don't like the way things are run then move onwards.  You have 
reported and it was acknowledged.  Instead of starting  fire and 
throwing gasoline on it how about offering to help?  That may not be an 
option right now though with all the ill-will you have fostered.  These 
guys work hard an making centos binary compatible with RHEL and a link 
on the website is understandably low priority.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Kai Schaetzl]

Spike Turner wrote on Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:23:25 -0700 (PDT):

> You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage 
> is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph
> could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
> the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
> 
> Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or 
> "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more
> appropriate?

You are getting on my nerves. You found a bug, a missing update of the 
homepage, you reported it here, you were thanked. Then you started some 
kind of private war that nobody here understands or is interested to 
follow. If you want to abuse a mailing list, please open your own, but 
shut up *here*!

Kai

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spike Turner]

R P Herrold  wrote:

> yada, yada, grumble, mumble

You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage 
is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph
could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.

Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or 
"Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more
appropriate?

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Ralph Angenendt]

Spike Turner wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt  wrote:
> 
> > Spike Turner wrote:
> > > Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD
> > > the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to
> > > reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
> > 
> > In cases like this - could you open a bug at
> > ?
> > 
> > I'll take this further, though, thanks.
> 
> This is one of the things I don't understand at the
> totalitarian republic of CentOS. I believe an announcement
> was made also to distrowatch and when people come looking
> they find out of date information.

Let us call it an oversight?

> Bugs/bugzilla should be for reporting bugs at least that
> is the way it is elsewhere.

And presenting out of date information is not a bug in your opinion?

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Spike Turner]

Ralph Angenendt  wrote:

> Spike Turner wrote:
> > Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD
> > the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to
> > reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
> 
> In cases like this - could you open a bug at
> ?
> 
> I'll take this further, though, thanks.
> 

This is one of the things I don't understand at the
totalitarian republic of CentOS. I believe an announcement
was made also to distrowatch and when people come looking
they find out of date information.

Bugs/bugzilla should be for reporting bugs at least that
is the way it is elsewhere.

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

[Ralph Angenendt]

Spike Turner wrote:
> Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD
> the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to
> reflect this new development rather than 4.4?

In cases like this - could you open a bug at ?

I'll take this further, though, thanks.

Cheers,

Ralph


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