Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM, wrote: > >> >> Why would yum ever pull anything from a repostory that doesn't replace >> base packages unless it is something that you explicitly installed? > > I wouldn't. But I did want to explicitly say what I was allowing it to > get, so that it wouldn't accidentally get something I didn't want. > I guess things _could_ go wrong either way. You just played the odds the wrong way this time - dependencies are pretty common. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM, wrote: Using elrepo is therefore safe unless you make modifications of course >>> ... >> >> Except that we don't want to replace or update the main repository >> packages, except in very, very special cases. That was why I allowed >> only kmod-nvidia in the repo. We do worry, since we've got 150 or so servers >> and workstations that I mostly do the updates on, and they shouldn't be >> some have, and some don't, except for an arguably special reason to be >> different than others. kmod-nvidia is the only one we have that meets >> that criteria. > > Why would yum ever pull anything from a repostory that doesn't replace > base packages unless it is something that you explicitly installed? I wouldn't. But I did want to explicitly say what I was allowing it to get, so that it wouldn't accidentally get something I didn't want. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM, wrote: >>> Using elrepo is therefore safe unless you make modifications of course >> ... > > Except that we don't want to replace or update the main repository > packages, except in very, very special cases. That was why I allowed only > kmod-nvidia in the repo. We do worry, since we've got 150 or so servers > and workstations that I mostly do the updates on, and they shouldn't be > some have, and some don't, except for an arguably special reason to be > different than others. kmod-nvidia is the only one we have that meets that > criteria. Why would yum ever pull anything from a repostory that doesn't replace base packages unless it is something that you explicitly installed? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
On 23/07/12 17:48, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Akemi Yagi wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:15 AM, wrote: >> >>> everyone knows that some other elrepo packages result in conflicts >>> with the base CentOS repositories. >> >> Just to clarify -- From the ELRepo web site ( http://elrepo.org ): >> >> elrepo >> This is the main channel and is enabled by default. As this channel >> should not contain packages also present in the distribution, it >> should be safe to run a 'yum update' with this repository channel >> enabled. >> >> > > Except that we don't want to replace or update the main repository > packages, except in very, very special cases. That was why I allowed only > kmod-nvidia in the repo. We do worry, since we've got 150 or so servers > and workstations that I mostly do the updates on, and they shouldn't be > some have, and some don't, except for an arguably special reason to be > different than others. kmod-nvidia is the only one we have that meets that > criteria. > Please stop spreading nonsense and read Akemi's reply above. There is NOTHING in elrepo that conflicts with or replaces anything in the base distro. That is a matter of POLICY as quoted by Akemi above. If you believe there is a conflict between ANY package in the main elrepo repository and the base distro, tell us and we will fix it immediately. We can't be any more clear than that. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
Akemi Yagi wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:15 AM, wrote: > >> everyone knows that some other elrepo packages result in conflicts >> with the base CentOS repositories. > > Just to clarify -- From the ELRepo web site ( http://elrepo.org ): > > elrepo > This is the main channel and is enabled by default. As this channel > should not contain packages also present in the distribution, it > should be safe to run a 'yum update' with this repository channel > enabled. > > elrepo-extras > The elrepo-extras channel provides packages and their dependencies > that replace/update RHEL distribution packages. It may be enabled in > the /etc/yum.repos.d/elrepo.repo file or used with 'yum > --enablerepo=elrepo-extras'. > > In other words, the packages in the elrepo-extras repo may conflict > with the distro packages but this repo is shipped disabled by default. > Using elrepo is therefore safe unless you make modifications of course > ... Except that we don't want to replace or update the main repository packages, except in very, very special cases. That was why I allowed only kmod-nvidia in the repo. We do worry, since we've got 150 or so servers and workstations that I mostly do the updates on, and they shouldn't be some have, and some don't, except for an arguably special reason to be different than others. kmod-nvidia is the only one we have that meets that criteria. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:15:49PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > You didn't care to pay attention to what I *DID* post. The rest of it was I think you need to calm down. You came here for help; the onus is _not_ on the readers to delve into dozens of messages to see what you may or may not have written to someone else. You may even have to post the same content a dozen times. That's life on a mailing list. Getting pissed off about it is a great way to get people to stop wanting to help you. -- rgds Stephen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:15 AM, wrote: > everyone > knows that some other elrepo packages result in conflicts with the base > CentOS repositories. Just to clarify -- From the ELRepo web site ( http://elrepo.org ): elrepo This is the main channel and is enabled by default. As this channel should not contain packages also present in the distribution, it should be safe to run a 'yum update' with this repository channel enabled. elrepo-extras The elrepo-extras channel provides packages and their dependencies that replace/update RHEL distribution packages. It may be enabled in the /etc/yum.repos.d/elrepo.repo file or used with 'yum --enablerepo=elrepo-extras'. In other words, the packages in the elrepo-extras repo may conflict with the distro packages but this repo is shipped disabled by default. Using elrepo is therefore safe unless you make modifications of course ... Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
Ned Slider wrote: > On 23/07/12 15:48, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> >> And for the guy from the elrepo team, you'll note it was *not* an elrepo >> problem, which is what I'd suspected, unless the repodata file's changed >> since Friday. > > It was a problem caused by *you* editing the default elrepo config file > and not understanding the implications and subsequent problems caused by > *your* changes. So you are correct that it was not an elrepo problem, it > was a "user" issue. And you clearly don't like the idea that I might edit the elrepo.repo because I might only want to allow *one* package, even though everyone knows that some other elrepo packages result in conflicts with the base CentOS repositories. > > No one ever said it was an elrepo problem, it was noted that the elrepo > mailing list was a more appropriate place to deal with issues relating > to the elrepo.repo config file as this has absolutely nothing to do with > CentOS. > > The point is that you would have been given the solution a lot quicker > if you had just posted the whole config file when you were asked rather > than waste everyone's time with your attitude. You didn't care to pay attention to what I *DID* post. The rest of it was identical to, in fact, what I posted twice. I did not feel I needed to clutter up the mailing list the way some folks do, with many dozens or hundreds of lines of error messages or config files, when I certainly know enough to pull out the relevant information. And the guy who *did* read what I posted did help me. mark "this thread declared dead" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Re: kmod-nvidia?
On 23/07/12 15:48, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > > And for the guy from the elrepo team, you'll note it was *not* an elrepo > problem, which is what I'd suspected, unless the repodata file's changed > since Friday. > It was a problem caused by *you* editing the default elrepo config file and not understanding the implications and subsequent problems caused by *your* changes. So you are correct that it was not an elrepo problem, it was a "user" issue. No one ever said it was an elrepo problem, it was noted that the elrepo mailing list was a more appropriate place to deal with issues relating to the elrepo.repo config file as this has absolutely nothing to do with CentOS. The point is that you would have been given the solution a lot quicker if you had just posted the whole config file when you were asked rather than waste everyone's time with your attitude. Honestly, most people on this list are here to try to help you. It makes it a *lot* easier to help people if they follow the instructions they are given rather than try to second guess which information they should provide. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
