Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 01:33:39PM -0400, mark wrote: > > Hopefully, not quite as long, given the work upstream was doing to make > trouble for Oracle when they were building 7. Could we, please, keep the FUD to a minimum? John -- I've learned a lot of lessons from this whole experience, and perhaps, maybe, the biggest lesson I learned is that I talk too much. -- Former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich on choosing not to testify at his political corruption trial, 25 July 2010 pgp0DpbKF04h3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On Apr 10, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > > Any expectation for the date of the C8 release :-)?? It took 6 months to go from first beta to first release of RHEL 7, and this beta is now about 5 months old. So next month for sure. :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 13:13, Leon Fauster via CentOS > wrote: >> Am 10.04.2019 um 19:00 schrieb mark : >> Thank you. Gonna roll with 6 for a few more years then. >>> As much as I *hate* systemd, you should be aware that C 6 is EOL next >>> year, and then there will be *no* updates to it. >>> >>> mark "suppose I should start looking at C8" >> >> Any expectation for the date of the C8 release :-)?? >> > No more than there were for CentOS-7 afer RHEL-7 came out or for CentOS-6 > after RHEL-6. It takes a lot of work to build a release and that takes > time and effort.. most of it staring at the same bits everyone else is > looking at going 'hmmm why didn;'t that work this time?' Hopefully, not quite as long, given the work upstream was doing to make trouble for Oracle when they were building 7. But it's not like I'm in a real rush This would be for home, for my workstation, for my antique (2009) HP Netbook (I use when I travel for email and news). Not sure what I'll do when my new lady and I build her a new system, since she wants Linux. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 13:13, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > Am 10.04.2019 um 19:00 schrieb mark : > > > > >> Thank you. Gonna roll with 6 for a few more years then. > >> > > As much as I *hate* systemd, you should be aware that C 6 is EOL next > > year, and then there will be *no* updates to it. > > > > mark "suppose I should start looking at C8" > > > Any expectation for the date of the C8 release :-)?? > > No more than there were for CentOS-7 afer RHEL-7 came out or for CentOS-6 after RHEL-6. It takes a lot of work to build a release and that takes time and effort.. most of it staring at the same bits everyone else is looking at going 'hmmm why didn;'t that work this time?' > -- > LF > > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
Am 10.04.2019 um 19:00 schrieb mark : > > Benjamin Smith wrote: >> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 7:40:01 AM PDT Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >>> On 4/8/19 3:20 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote: >>> I'm about to rebuild a server, currently running CentOS 6. If I have to do an OS reinstall, my intention is to upgrade, as it's the oldest OS server under my purview. As this server is pretty low visibility, I'd like to see if I can start using EL 8 instead of 7.x. In the past, I was able to switch between different OS variants by simply changing out the yum.d files; EG: RHEL 6.x becomes CentOS 6.x by replacing a single RPM and doing a `yum -y clean all; yum -y update` without issue. How likely is it that similar functionality will exist switching from RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8 final? Google pounding provided little info. I couldn't even find useful information for the transition from RHEL 7 Beta. >>> >>> There will not be any plan to do that, no. Nor could you upgrade from >>> RHEL-8 beta to RHEL-8. They just don't build it with that in mind. >>> >>> >>> As Smooge said .. it might be possible. But the whole point of the >>> beta is to allow for design changes. The full package set was likely >>> not completely set, so some things could be removed or added and a bunch >>> of manual removals, re-installs would be required. Different libraries >>> may be linked. Etc, etc. >>> >>> I can't see almost any circumstance where I would recommend doing this. >>> >> >> Thank you. Gonna roll with 6 for a few more years then. >> > As much as I *hate* systemd, you should be aware that C 6 is EOL next > year, and then there will be *no* updates to it. > > mark "suppose I should start looking at C8" Any expectation for the date of the C8 release :-)?? -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
Benjamin Smith wrote: > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 7:40:01 AM PDT Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 4/8/19 3:20 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote: >> >>> I'm about to rebuild a server, currently running CentOS 6. If I have >>> to do an OS reinstall, my intention is to upgrade, as it's the oldest >>> OS server >>> under my purview. As this server is pretty low visibility, I'd like to >>> see if I can start using EL 8 instead of 7.x. >>> >>> In the past, I was able to switch between different OS variants by >>> simply changing out the yum.d files; EG: RHEL 6.x becomes CentOS 6.x >>> by replacing a single RPM and doing a `yum -y clean all; yum -y >>> update` without issue. >>> >>> How likely is it that similar functionality will exist switching from >>> RHEL >>> 8 Beta to CentOS 8 final? Google pounding provided little info. I >>> couldn't even find useful information for the transition from RHEL 7 >>> Beta. >>> >> >> There will not be any plan to do that, no. Nor could you upgrade from >> RHEL-8 beta to RHEL-8. They just don't build it with that in mind. >> >> >> As Smooge said .. it might be possible. But the whole point of the >> beta is to allow for design changes. The full package set was likely >> not completely set, so some things could be removed or added and a bunch >> of manual removals, re-installs would be required. Different libraries >> may be linked. Etc, etc. >> >> I can't see almost any circumstance where I would recommend doing this. >> > > Thank you. Gonna roll with 6 for a few more years then. > As much as I *hate* systemd, you should be aware that C 6 is EOL next year, and then there will be *no* updates to it. mark "suppose I should start looking at C8" ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 11:44, Benjamin Smith wrote: > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 7:40:01 AM PDT Johnny Hughes wrote: > > On 4/8/19 3:20 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote: > > > I'm about to rebuild a server, currently running CentOS 6. If I have > to do > > > an OS reinstall, my intention is to upgrade, as it's the oldest OS > server > > > under my purview. As this server is pretty low visibility, I'd like to > > > see if I can start using EL 8 instead of 7.x. > > > > > > In the past, I was able to switch between different OS variants by > simply > > > changing out the yum.d files; EG: RHEL 6.x becomes CentOS 6.x by > replacing > > > a single RPM and doing a `yum -y clean all; yum -y update` without > issue. > > > > > > How likely is it that similar functionality will exist switching from > RHEL > > > 8 Beta to CentOS 8 final? Google pounding provided little info. I > > > couldn't even find useful information for the transition from RHEL 7 > > > Beta. > > > > There will not be any plan to do that, no. Nor could you upgrade from > > RHEL-8 beta to RHEL-8. They just don't build it with that in mind. > > > > As Smooge said .. it might be possible. But the whole point of the beta > > is to allow for design changes. The full package set was likely not > > completely set, so some things could be removed or added and a bunch of > > manual removals, re-installs would be required. Different libraries may > > be linked. Etc, etc. > > > > I can't see almost any circumstance where I would recommend doing this. > > Thank you. Gonna roll with 6 for a few more years then. > > CentOS 6 entered Maintenance Support 2 (see https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/ ) on May 10th 2017 and now only receives critical updates. It will go EOL on 30 Nov, 2020 -- in 1 year, 33 weeks, 3 days, and some hours... shortly after that it will be moved off to archives like C5 and C4 before it. > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 7:40:01 AM PDT Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 4/8/19 3:20 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote: > > I'm about to rebuild a server, currently running CentOS 6. If I have to do > > an OS reinstall, my intention is to upgrade, as it's the oldest OS server > > under my purview. As this server is pretty low visibility, I'd like to > > see if I can start using EL 8 instead of 7.x. > > > > In the past, I was able to switch between different OS variants by simply > > changing out the yum.d files; EG: RHEL 6.x becomes CentOS 6.x by replacing > > a single RPM and doing a `yum -y clean all; yum -y update` without issue. > > > > How likely is it that similar functionality will exist switching from RHEL > > 8 Beta to CentOS 8 final? Google pounding provided little info. I > > couldn't even find useful information for the transition from RHEL 7 > > Beta. > > There will not be any plan to do that, no. Nor could you upgrade from > RHEL-8 beta to RHEL-8. They just don't build it with that in mind. > > As Smooge said .. it might be possible. But the whole point of the beta > is to allow for design changes. The full package set was likely not > completely set, so some things could be removed or added and a bunch of > manual removals, re-installs would be required. Different libraries may > be linked. Etc, etc. > > I can't see almost any circumstance where I would recommend doing this. Thank you. Gonna roll with 6 for a few more years then. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On 4/8/19 3:20 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote: > I'm about to rebuild a server, currently running CentOS 6. If I have to do an > OS reinstall, my intention is to upgrade, as it's the oldest OS server under > my purview. As this server is pretty low visibility, I'd like to see if I can > start using EL 8 instead of 7.x. > > In the past, I was able to switch between different OS variants by simply > changing out the yum.d files; EG: RHEL 6.x becomes CentOS 6.x by replacing a > single RPM and doing a `yum -y clean all; yum -y update` without issue. > > How likely is it that similar functionality will exist switching from RHEL 8 > Beta to CentOS 8 final? Google pounding provided little info. I couldn't even > find useful information for the transition from RHEL 7 Beta. > There will not be any plan to do that, no. Nor could you upgrade from RHEL-8 beta to RHEL-8. They just don't build it with that in mind. As Smooge said .. it might be possible. But the whole point of the beta is to allow for design changes. The full package set was likely not completely set, so some things could be removed or added and a bunch of manual removals, re-installs would be required. Different libraries may be linked. Etc, etc. I can't see almost any circumstance where I would recommend doing this. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 17:01, Benjamin Smith wrote: > > I'm about to rebuild a server, currently running CentOS 6. If I have to do an > OS reinstall, my intention is to upgrade, as it's the oldest OS server under > my purview. As this server is pretty low visibility, I'd like to see if I can > start using EL 8 instead of 7.x. > > In the past, I was able to switch between different OS variants by simply > changing out the yum.d files; EG: RHEL 6.x becomes CentOS 6.x by replacing a > single RPM and doing a `yum -y clean all; yum -y update` without issue. > > How likely is it that similar functionality will exist switching from RHEL 8 > Beta to CentOS 8 final? Google pounding provided little info. I couldn't even > find useful information for the transition from RHEL 7 Beta. > You are comparing 2 different things. What you are seeing is a 'finished' release of 6.x to latest CentOS-6 which is much different from going from say RHEL-6beta to CentOS-6. Betas of RHEL have normally had major changes between beta and final versions. Going from EL6beta to EL6.0 or EL7beta to EL7 required some manual work each time for anything beyond the base install because packages were removed or settings changed majorly between them. If you have the time to play around with it, then sure you might make it work.. you might also wipe and reinstall. > Ben > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
