Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/17/2013 18:57, Andrew Wyatt wrote: Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they didn't fit on the media though, I've run into two of these myself: libedit and libgd. Both of these are living, useful libraries, without direct replacements.[*] Clearly there are RPMs shipped in the distro that require these libraries. I guess Red Hat are saying that they don't intend that you develop your *own* software against these libraries. [*] (libedit is API-compatible with readline, but most apps that use it do so in order to avoid the GPL. There are many alternatives to GD, but none are API-compatible.) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote: On 12/17/2013 18:57, Andrew Wyatt wrote: Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they didn't fit on the media though, Look at lftp ftp.redhat.com:/redhat/rhel/beta/7/x86_64/os/Packages ls libedit* libedit-3.0-10.20121213cvs.el7.i686.rpm libedit-3.0-10.20121213cvs.el7.x86_64.rpm libedit-devel-3.0-10.20121213cvs.el7.i686.rpm libedit-devel-3.0-10.20121213cvs.el7.x86_64.rpm # rpm -qlp libedit-3.0-10.20121213cvs.el7.x86_64.rpm /usr/lib64/libedit.so.0 /usr/lib64/libedit.so.0.0.42 /usr/share/doc/libedit-3.0 /usr/share/doc/libedit-3.0/COPYING /usr/share/doc/libedit-3.0/ChangeLog /usr/share/doc/libedit-3.0/THANKS -Connie Sieh I've run into two of these myself: libedit and libgd. Both of these are living, useful libraries, without direct replacements.[*] Clearly there are RPMs shipped in the distro that require these libraries. I guess Red Hat are saying that they don't intend that you develop your *own* software against these libraries. [*] (libedit is API-compatible with readline, but most apps that use it do so in order to avoid the GPL. There are many alternatives to GD, but none are API-compatible.) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/19/2013 12:16, Connie Sieh wrote: Look at lftp ftp.redhat.com:/redhat/rhel/beta/7/x86_64/os/Packages ls libedit* Thanks for the tip. The VM I'm testing RHEL 7 beta on isn't network-connected, so I guess I'm just going to have to mirror that directory. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/16/2013 01:27 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote: I meant the actual implementation, I knew it would be GNOME Classic. This beta release is awful. I lost count of how many devel packages were missing now, I think I had to rebuild over 20 of their source rpms to get them while I was toying with Cairo Dock. Not to mention that desktop, 4 ways to close an app - that's awesome! (not) Just to quantify this : you assert that there are srpm build output that is otherwise not released in this beta from red hat ? -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 10:29 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpn.cnrs.fr wrote: so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies where is the problem? Google Chrome, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#Life-cycle_dates *who* is forcing you to RHEL7? Nobody wants old desktop apps. In this case, use Fedora. Since the release of windows 8 and 2012 (and even before) and UEFI, all new hardware are 64 bit capable, and even ARM will release a 64 bit version. Remember that in RHEL, 'E' is for Enterprise (and in CentOS, 'ent' means the same). That is, stability and maintennace on the long term are more important than recent desktop apps. In the environments where LTSP is used (schools, etc.) there would typically be a reasonably current server where you want stability and low maintenance and it PXE-boots the clients (thus no maintenance...). There is also typically not a systems expert on site since one of the reasons to use it in education is to keep costs down. Keeping Fedora running would be i nightmare. Ubuntu might be tolerable, though. Or perhaps it can be altered to boot a different system on the clients like DRBL. Well, then convince Red Hat to build it :D IF (and only if) it works to build i686, we (CentOS) might try to do it. However, it will not initially be a priority. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they didn't fit on the media though, I haven't connected the system to RedHat's repositories. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.orgwrote: On 12/16/2013 01:27 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote: I meant the actual implementation, I knew it would be GNOME Classic. This beta release is awful. I lost count of how many devel packages were missing now, I think I had to rebuild over 20 of their source rpms to get them while I was toying with Cairo Dock. Not to mention that desktop, 4 ways to close an app - that's awesome! (not) Just to quantify this : you assert that there are srpm build output that is otherwise not released in this beta from red hat ? -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 07:57:01PM -0600, Andrew Wyatt wrote: Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they didn't fit on the media though, I haven't connected the system to RedHat's repositories. You can just run yum update (though I think you have to manually change the enable line in the rh-beta.repo. You don't have to register in order to download from RH's repos. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 10:23 PM, Keith Keller wrote: CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious. I disagree. The people RH may be targetting for purchasing RHEL7 may very well be different from the people hoping to use CentOS 7. If not enough paying RHEL customers complain about this issue, they're not likely to change their policy; upset CentOS users probably won't bother upstream enough. therefore, if enough people sign up to help and do the work, we can make the resources available within the project to facilitate this. the people doing the work in centos for the distro base do not have the bandwidth to add this additional task - so its going to need people to stay up and offer to do the work. I'm happy and very willing to help bootstrap the process. Also worth keeping in mind is that this would be a 'derevative' of the core CentOS Linux and it wont just be CentOS Linux 7/i686. That gives us a few easy wins : we dont need to port the entire package set, and we can selectively make changes to things like the installer ( to work around the xfs issue, however looking at the code briefly, we dont / wont have the xfs issue anyway, the installer is smart enough to work around on i686 ). There would also be implications on how we do the release work, but the main issue at hand, that needs to be solved before we even consider this as a group : who's stepping up to do the work involved. Off the top of my head, this is going to need a team of 5 to 8 people doing stuff 'in odd hours' or a couple of people working on this as their primary focus. - KB -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
I meant the actual implementation, I knew it would be GNOME Classic. This beta release is awful. I lost count of how many devel packages were missing now, I think I had to rebuild over 20 of their source rpms to get them while I was toying with Cairo Dock. Not to mention that desktop, 4 ways to close an app - that's awesome! (not) Meh, this really should be labeled an alpha it has so many problems but I guess it's easy enough to bootstrap their sources to spit out all of the missing dependencies. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpn.cnrs.fr wrote: Le 11/12/2013 18:26, Andrew Wyatt a écrit : Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did with GNOME 3. From the release notes : Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta features the next major version of the GNOME Desktop, GNOME 3. The user experience of GNOME 3 is largely defined by GNOME Shell, which replaces the GNOME 2 desktop shell. Apart from window management, GNOME Shell provides the top bar on the screen, which hosts the 'system status' area in the top right, a clock, and a hot corner that switches to |Activities Overview|, which provides easy access to applications and windows. The default GNOME Shell interface in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta is GNOME Classic which features a window list at the bottom of the screen and traditional *Applications* and *Places* menus. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Le 15/12/2013 05:55, Les Mikesell a écrit : On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies where is the problem? Google Chrome, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#Life-cycle_dates *who* is forcing you to RHEL7? Nobody wants old desktop apps. In this case, use Fedora. Since the release of windows 8 and 2012 (and even before) and UEFI, all new hardware are 64 bit capable, and even ARM will release a 64 bit version. Remember that in RHEL, 'E' is for Enterprise (and in CentOS, 'ent' means the same). That is, stability and maintennace on the long term are more important than recent desktop apps. Alain ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/14/2013 8:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Nobody wants old desktop apps. new apps tend to have heavier memory and performance requirements. we don't run 16 bit stuff anymore either, and 16 bit computers, like intel 286, are LONG obsolete, outside of the low end embedded market. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 09:40 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/14/2013 8:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Nobody wants old desktop apps. new apps tend to have heavier memory and performance requirements. we don't run 16 bit stuff anymore either, and 16 bit computers, like intel 286, are LONG obsolete, outside of the low end embedded market. That's a bit different, Linux never had 16 bit support, but is still perfectly usable on a 32 bit arch. I understand RedHat dropping 32 bit support for this release, the needs of RedHat customers are different to those of CentOS users, when you fork out a few grand for a server license it's not such a big deal to get a new server to go with it. That said, it may not be very difficult to build the sources for i386, and I personally don't see any reason why CentOS can't or shouldn't. The 32 bit arch will be in a separate repo to the 64 bit, so won't interfere with upstream compatibility, and CentOS likely already has the infra in place to do a 32 bit build from prior versions. Since Fedora still fully supports 32 bit, right up to rawhide it's reasonable to assume that the RedHat sources should build to 32 bit without too much fuss. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
How much GB RAM RHEL 7 64bit support ? Công Nghệ VPS - LEVU BIS Co., Ltd Website : a href=http://congnghevps.net;http://congnghevps.net/a Email : i...@congnghevps.net Phone : 055.3.842.159 Yahoo : levubis XEN VPS, Cloud VPS, Dedicated Server, Game Server Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 22:21:27 +1300 From: pe...@pajamian.dhs.org To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public On 12/15/2013 09:40 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/14/2013 8:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Nobody wants old desktop apps. new apps tend to have heavier memory and performance requirements. we don't run 16 bit stuff anymore either, and 16 bit computers, like intel 286, are LONG obsolete, outside of the low end embedded market. That's a bit different, Linux never had 16 bit support, but is still perfectly usable on a 32 bit arch. I understand RedHat dropping 32 bit support for this release, the needs of RedHat customers are different to those of CentOS users, when you fork out a few grand for a server license it's not such a big deal to get a new server to go with it. That said, it may not be very difficult to build the sources for i386, and I personally don't see any reason why CentOS can't or shouldn't. The 32 bit arch will be in a separate repo to the 64 bit, so won't interfere with upstream compatibility, and CentOS likely already has the infra in place to do a 32 bit build from prior versions. Since Fedora still fully supports 32 bit, right up to rawhide it's reasonable to assume that the RedHat sources should build to 32 bit without too much fuss. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Le 15/12/2013 10:23, LEVU BIS a écrit : How much GB RAM RHEL 7 64bit support ? From release notes, for x86_64, '3 TB supported/64 TB' That's the same as for RHEL 6. Alain ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpn.cnrs.fr wrote: so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies where is the problem? Google Chrome, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#Life-cycle_dates *who* is forcing you to RHEL7? Nobody wants old desktop apps. In this case, use Fedora. Since the release of windows 8 and 2012 (and even before) and UEFI, all new hardware are 64 bit capable, and even ARM will release a 64 bit version. Remember that in RHEL, 'E' is for Enterprise (and in CentOS, 'ent' means the same). That is, stability and maintennace on the long term are more important than recent desktop apps. In the environments where LTSP is used (schools, etc.) there would typically be a reasonably current server where you want stability and low maintenance and it PXE-boots the clients (thus no maintenance...). There is also typically not a systems expert on site since one of the reasons to use it in education is to keep costs down. Keeping Fedora running would be i nightmare. Ubuntu might be tolerable, though. Or perhaps it can be altered to boot a different system on the clients like DRBL. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 1:21 AM, Peter wrote: the needs of RedHat customers are different to those of CentOS users CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:47 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 12/15/2013 1:21 AM, Peter wrote: the needs of RedHat customers are different to those of CentOS users CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious. It does make sense in the context of being able to build a 32-bit version from RHEL sources, though. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 10:27 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: It does make sense in the context of being able to build a 32-bit version from RHEL sources, though. which is completely untested anyways, doesn't EL7 use XFS now by default? XFS is completely UNsupported with a 32bit kernel as the stack is too small. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:35:31AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote: anyways, doesn't EL7 use XFS now by default? XFS is completely UNsupported with a 32bit kernel as the stack is too small. ext2/3/4 are all still available which are perfectly content with i686/32bit. John -- There's no sense in being precise when you don't know what you're talking about. -- John von Neumann pgpaYYA5iChOZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:35:31AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/15/2013 10:27 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: It does make sense in the context of being able to build a 32-bit version from RHEL sources, though. which is completely untested anyways, doesn't EL7 use XFS now by default? XFS is completely UNsupported with a 32bit kernel as the stack is too small. To answer just part of the question, yes, it's using XFS by default. If you choose standard partition during installation and make no other changes, you will have an XFS partition. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 11:42 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: To answer just part of the question, yes, it's using XFS by default. If you choose standard partition during installation and make no other changes, you will have an XFS partition. so a custom 32 bit build, the installer probably should be modified to use EXT3 or 4 instead (in 32bits I'd be inclined to stick with 3), requiring yet more testing and debugging. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:59:36AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote: so a custom 32 bit build, the installer probably should be modified to use EXT3 or 4 instead (in 32bits I'd be inclined to stick with 3), requiring yet more testing and debugging. Which should be a trivial QA test. Why the reservations with ext4 on a 32bit platform? John -- The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956), journalist, satirist, and freethinker, The Smart set, Volume 68 (with George Jean Nathan) p 49 (1922) pgpFtfQoBJ_Gz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/15/2013 12:11 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: Why the reservations with ext4 on a 32bit platform? limited memory space. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 2013-12-15, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 12/15/2013 1:21 AM, Peter wrote: the needs of RedHat customers are different to those of CentOS users CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious. I disagree. The people RH may be targetting for purchasing RHEL7 may very well be different from the people hoping to use CentOS 7. If not enough paying RHEL customers complain about this issue, they're not likely to change their policy; upset CentOS users probably won't bother upstream enough. --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com wrote: In a way it's a shame... At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes. This will probably be painful for people using LTSP to boot older thin clients even if they have a hefty server. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 14.12.2013 23:30, schrieb Les Mikesell: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com wrote: In a way it's a shame... At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes. This will probably be painful for people using LTSP to boot older thin clients even if they have a hefty server how should it be painful for anybody? * physical machine: use RHEL5/6, it is still supported * server: user virtualization for a RHEL5/6 guest LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) isn't virtualization, it is network booting an assortment of desktops that can act as thin clients to your hefty server or run local apps over an NFS mount from the server.While there are ways to boot a different kernel on the clients, LTSP wants to boot the same one the server uses.And it is used in classrooms, etc. in 2013/2014 there is no valid need for support 32bit on a recent operating system while mosts users kicked this legacy hardware 5-6 years ago for many reasons Sure if you buy a new server today you'd get 64 bit. But seriously, how many things do you do on you desktop that you couldn't do back when everything was 32 bit? And what can't you do with a 32bit X session running remote apps from a 64-bit server? So there is no reason to replace those boxes and either lagging behind in software or switching to a more accommodating Linux distribution will be painful. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies where is the problem? Google Chrome, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#Life-cycle_dates *who* is forcing you to RHEL7? Nobody wants old desktop apps. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Am 13.12.2013 um 01:10 schrieb SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: In a way it's a shame... At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes. And they're also will be supporting three releases (5, 6, 7) for a period of time as well. It's probably a good time to consider other alternatives. :-/ Fedora, Debian, Voyage, OpenWrt, Gentoo, etc, etc. http://www.openwall.com/Owl/ Unless it's embedded hardware ... by the time EL6 isn't supported I'll be you'll have a beefier x86_64 machine as a firewall! :) any suggestions? I was thinking maybe a Soekris board with Intel Atom CPUs can get you the 64-bit CPUs you want. But no ... once you get through the models that have AMD Geode LX CPUs (which are 486/586) you stumble into models that have Intel Atom CPUs that are in the E6xx family which are not 64-bit capable. And boy are the upper-end models a bit salty (might be a bit cheaper from a distributor/reseller). You could build a mini-ITX system ... but you'd probably quadruple power consumption (~5w for Geode LX800 systems and likely ~20w for Atom systems). i got a response from Pcengines: The new boards are still in the beta phase, production in february. It looks promising especially the roadmap http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm :-) -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 13.12.2013 um 01:10 schrieb SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: Unless it's embedded hardware ... by the time EL6 isn't supported I'll be you'll have a beefier x86_64 machine as a firewall! :) any suggestions? I was thinking maybe a Soekris board with Intel Atom CPUs can get you the 64-bit CPUs you want. But no ... once you get through the models that have AMD Geode LX CPUs (which are 486/586) you stumble into models that have Intel Atom CPUs that are in the E6xx family which are not 64-bit capable. And boy are the upper-end models a bit salty (might be a bit cheaper from a distributor/reseller). You could build a mini-ITX system ... but you'd probably quadruple power consumption (~5w for Geode LX800 systems and likely ~20w for Atom systems). i got a response from Pcengines: The new boards are still in the beta phase, production in february. It looks promising especially the roadmap http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm:-) Sweet! That hardware is a big improvement over the current ALIX series with Geode LX800s. Gotta wonder where they come in on the pricing scale? Time will tell. ;-) Thanks for sharing. *If you purchase one I'd appreciate a review. :-)* And to think I've been eyeing up the Ubiquiti Edge Routers [0] (but they're $99 USD as opposed to nearly $200 USD or more for whatever the new APU series will be). But the ERs are MIPS-64, etc so I'd run the EdgeOS or _maybe_ Debian (or anything else that supports that arch -- I've not done much research as I prefer x86/amd64). [0] http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax#edge-router-lite -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 // ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
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On 12/12/2013 03:26 PM, Peter wrote:
On 12/13/2013 08:20 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
On 12/12/2013 01:49 PM, Peter wrote:
On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add?
Unfortunately I've misplaced the audit logs and report of the problem,
but this is the policy I had to add:
module mypol 1.0;
require { type unconfined_t; type sshd_net_t; type kernel_t; class
process { dyntransition transition sigchld }; }
#= kernel_t == allow kernel_t
sshd_net_t:process dyntransition; allow kernel_t unconfined_t:process {
dyntransition transition };
#= sshd_net_t == allow sshd_net_t
kernel_t:process sigchld;
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I actually do not think you need these, these were all caused by the
originally mislabeled system. If you remove your custom policy, I bet it
will work fine.
That makes sense. I will try removing them and see how it goes (any
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semodule -r POLICYNAME.
For example if you installed mypol.pp
You would probably remove
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/2013 03:32 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote: Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being speculation that building the next major release wouldn't be as troublesome, for various reasons[*]. Did that turn out to be true? We will soon find out :) -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/11/2013 11:49 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: I see nobody's asked when CentOS 7 will be out yet.;-) well, they can't even really start until RHEL 7 is a done deal and released. Investing too much effort in porting a beta often is wasted when the final release has structural changes. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/2013 09:16 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/11/2013 11:49 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: I see nobody's asked when CentOS 7 will be out yet.;-) well, they can't even really start until RHEL 7 is a done deal and released. Investing too much effort in porting a beta often is wasted when the final release has structural changes. Yes, but this seems to indicate otherwise: Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam That said, there is, of course, no way to even speculate when CentOS 7 final will be released until upstream releases 7. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Op 12-12-13 08:49, Sorin Srbu schreef: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: den 11 december 2013 16:56 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public Hi, http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. I see nobody's asked when CentOS 7 will be out yet. ;-) Anyway, will be interesting to check out the new gnome. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos just installed it in Vurtualbox. That went fine. greetings, J. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Le 12/12/2013 09:28, Peter a écrit : Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam That said, there is, of course, no way to even speculate when CentOS 7 final will be released until upstream releases 7. Yes, but experience shows it takes about 6 months after the beta release, so I expect it for ~June. CentOS 6 has been released in November 2010, so it will be 3 years and a half after this. There is about 3 years between each major release. Alain -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Le 12/12/2013 10:41, Alain Péan a écrit : CentOS 6 has been released in November 2010 Ooops, I meant RHEL 6, of course. -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Johan Vermeulen Sent: den 12 december 2013 10:44 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public just installed it in Vurtualbox. That went fine. I did that too, installed to VirtualBox, but didn't get a GUI for some reason... -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/2013 08:28 AM, Peter wrote: well, they can't even really start until RHEL 7 is a done deal and released. Investing too much effort in porting a beta often is wasted when the final release has structural changes. Yes, but this seems to indicate otherwise: Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam The overall aim is to have as many people as possible test the rhel7 beta and file bugs at bugzilla.redhat.com; that way everyone is testing anf doing feedback against the same builds, and we all win with a better overall end result. However, we are still going to - slowly maybe - get a CentOS-7 beta build going, so that CentOS users can start testing their depoyment strategies, start writing docs at wiki.centos.org, start doing migration testing etc so that when CentOS-7 comes around for release, its not all a big surprise. The reason I say slowly, is because I would like to build a more open and more inclusive process that allows a larger audience to help build and promote the resulting distro. Lots of ideas at this point, the coming weeks should see some of them firm up into a process. What I will say is : for anyone looking to get involved, start brushing up your git skills and hang out in irc #centos-devel as and when you can. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Greetings, On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: snip strategies, start writing docs at wiki.centos.org, start doing migration snip +1 Important considering that new critical things like grub2, systemd, firewalld and the such. With rhel7 entering many of us will be baby-sitting at least 4 releases - 4, 5, 6 and 7 at least for couple of more years I am of course aware that there are many RHEL 2 and possilbly Redhat Linux 9 boxens out there. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Good informations. I will testing soon. I think I will installed on Virtualbox and review. Nếu có bất cứ vấn đề gì khác, hãy cho chúng tôi biết ngay. Cám ơn bạn đã liên hệ với bộ phận chăm sóc khách hàng. Regards, Công Nghệ VPS - LEVU BIS Co., Ltd Website : http://congnghevps.net Email : i...@congnghevps.net Phone : 055.3.842.159 Yahoo : levubis XEN VPS, Cloud VPS, Dedicated Server, Game Server Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:58:35 +0530 From: raju.rajs...@gmail.com To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public Greetings, On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: snip strategies, start writing docs at wiki.centos.org, start doing migration snip +1 Important considering that new critical things like grub2, systemd, firewalld and the such. With rhel7 entering many of us will be baby-sitting at least 4 releases - 4, 5, 6 and 7 at least for couple of more years I am of course aware that there are many RHEL 2 and possilbly Redhat Linux 9 boxens out there. -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: The overall aim is to have as many people as possible test the rhel7 beta and file bugs at bugzilla.redhat.com; that way everyone is testing anf doing feedback against the same builds, and we all win with a better overall end result. I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host. I used yum to do the install as opposed to installing from the ISO so I've got a bit of a unique perspective on it. Anyways, I'll probably file a few bugs along the following lines: The core group includes NetworkManager and postfix, neither should be core packages and should be excluded from a core or minimal install. I had problems with selinux and sshd, I had to add a new policy and autorelabel before it would work with selinux in enforcing mode. I think needing to add the policy is probably a bug, but the autorelabel may be expected considering the rather unusual install method I used. Problems with the mirrorlist, I had to comment it out and uncomment the baseurl from the repo file to get yum to work. I think this is known and will likely be resolved soon anyways. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/2013 11:03 AM, Peter wrote: I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host. this is a great test to have done. Would really like to hear comments about process and result. I presume this is with the Xen4CentOS stack ? - KB -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/13/2013 12:17 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 12/12/2013 11:03 AM, Peter wrote: I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host. this is a great test to have done. Would really like to hear comments about process and result. I presume this is with the Xen4CentOS stack ? No, it's with CRCinAU's stack, actually, and mainly because I was running this server before Xen4CentOS was released. Oh I forgot to mention the other issue, I'm running it under pvgrub (and it works fine with a normal grub.conf file, btw, no need to install grub2 that way), and I had to regenerate the initramfs, the one supplied with the kernel did not come with the xenblk and xennet drivers installed. That was also somewhat expected, though, and not necessarily a bug, but RHEL7 is supposed to be supported as a Xen domu, so it may be. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/13/2013 12:30 AM, Peter wrote: Oh I forgot to mention the other issue, I'm running it under pvgrub (and it works fine with a normal grub.conf file, btw, no need to install grub2 that way), and I had to regenerate the initramfs, the one supplied with the kernel did not come with the xenblk and xennet drivers installed. That was also somewhat expected, though, and not necessarily a bug, but RHEL7 is supposed to be supported as a Xen domu, so it may be. ...and speaking of upstream Xen support, RedHat have actually disabled Xen Dom0 support in the kernel. This would be something that they had to do on purpose, so I'm quite sure that it will be a waste of time to file a bug on it. It does mean that assuming that CentOS updates Xen4CentOS for CentOS 7 you'll need to once again supply the kernel for the dom0 as you can't get away with just using the stock RedHat one. On the bright side the kernel does have dom0 support and will just require a config file change to enable it, so the dom0 kernel can be just a rebuild of the stock one and not require a completely different kernel as is now the case. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:03:55AM +1300, Peter wrote: On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: The core group includes NetworkManager and postfix, neither should be core packages and should be excluded from a core or minimal install. Fedora, and RedHat, apparently feel that NetworkManager is the way to go. As I never use it, I'm not sure if they ever fixed the fact that it can't handle bridges. To me (and I admit I'm an aging grouch), it's the sort of thing that RH has a bad habit of doing, taking things that aren't necessarily bad for something like Fedora, aimed at a single user laptop, and putting it into their system which is often used as a server. (One can argue about Fedora's use case, but judging from their forums, and the various changes that have come over the years, I feel that most of its developers are thinking of a single user laptop.) Somewhere in the release notes, it states that system-config-network is being removed in favor of some NetworkManager cli tool. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/13/2013 01:04 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:03:55AM +1300, Peter wrote: On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: The core group includes NetworkManager and postfix, neither should be core packages and should be excluded from a core or minimal install. Fedora, and RedHat, apparently feel that NetworkManager is the way to go. As I never use it, I'm not sure if they ever fixed the fact that it can't handle bridges. To me (and I admit I'm an aging grouch), it's the sort of thing that RH has a bad habit of doing, taking things that aren't necessarily bad for something like Fedora, aimed at a single user laptop, and putting it into their system which is often used as a server. (One can argue about Fedora's use case, but judging from their forums, and the various changes that have come over the years, I feel that most of its developers are thinking of a single user laptop.) Somewhere in the release notes, it states that system-config-network is being removed in favor of some NetworkManager cli tool. Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs just fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc, and you're good to go. I found that I can exclude NM and postfix when group installing core from yum and it works just fine. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter said the following on 12/12/2013 13:19: Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs just fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc, and you're good to go. I think that before choosing what should be included in the minimal installation we must define the goals of the minimal installation. For instance the MTA is used by some programs to warn/report the SysAdmin; this could be the reason why the standard MTA is included. Ciao, luigi - -- / +--[Luigi Rosa]-- \ Always burn your bridges behind you. You never know who might be trying to follow. --Enabran Tain, Improbable Cause -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKpqyYACgkQ3kWu7Tfl6ZQNdwCdF+ibDSuw/30KFWaJNTivFK07 MiIAoKImXxWCyq+ETZ3ZTj5ARhWmgTCt =AVkm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:19:26 +1300 Peter pe...@pajamian.dhs.org wrote: Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs just fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc, and you're good to go. By the same logic you could argue that a text editor is not required for a bare minimum --- namely, you can always use cat and echo from the command line to edit the config files. The point of the text editor in a minimal installation is to make life easier for a sysadmin. The point of NetworkManager is the same --- it is included so that you don't have to just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts. HTH, :-) Marko ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/12/2013 06:03 AM, Peter wrote: On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: The overall aim is to have as many people as possible test the rhel7 beta and file bugs at bugzilla.redhat.com; that way everyone is testing anf doing feedback against the same builds, and we all win with a better overall end result. I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host. I used yum to do the install as opposed to installing from the ISO so I've got a bit of a unique perspective on it. Anyways, I'll probably file a few bugs along the following lines: The core group includes NetworkManager and postfix, neither should be core packages and should be excluded from a core or minimal install. I had problems with selinux and sshd, I had to add a new policy and autorelabel before it would work with selinux in enforcing mode. I think needing to add the policy is probably a bug, but the autorelabel may be expected considering the rather unusual install method I used. Problems with the mirrorlist, I had to comment it out and uncomment the baseurl from the repo file to get yum to work. I think this is known and will likely be resolved soon anyways. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEUEARECAAYFAlKpvdwACgkQrlYvE4MpobMBvwCY2nzFHoyBrRpTTXte4jfylBOA vgCgzgKVtn/1N+j5zpWzEpRJn6WWRvs= =O0SR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Am 11.12.2013 um 17:03 schrieb Alain Péan alain.p...@lpn.cnrs.fr: Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit : http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues athttp://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. There seems to be only x86_64 release ? That would be in the current trend... that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw (router etc.). -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Le 12/12/2013 14:49, Leon Fauster a écrit : that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw (router etc.). You can still use CentOS 6 or RHEL 6 (maintained until 2020) ? Or buy a cheap hardware. They are now all 64 bits. You cannot say your i586 hw will live this long... Alain -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:19:26 +1300 Peter pe...@pajamian.dhs.org wrote: Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs just fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc, and you're good to go. By the same logic you could argue that a text editor is not required for a bare minimum --- namely, you can always use cat and echo from the command line to edit the config files. The point of the text editor in a minimal installation is to make life easier for a sysadmin. The point of NetworkManager is the same --- it is included so that you don't have to just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts. I disagree. NetworkManager is fine... on a laptop, where you're going to be moving it from network to network. For a wired network - that is, for any server (remember the Enterprise part of the name?) - it's utterly unnecessary. And it wall worked fine before NM. And NM has caused problems on occasion, before we just turned the thing *off*. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12 December 2013 14:06, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: By the same logic you could argue that a text editor is not required for a bare minimum --- namely, you can always use cat and echo from the command line to edit the config files. The point of the text editor in a minimal installation is to make life easier for a sysadmin. The point of NetworkManager is the same --- it is included so that you don't have to just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts. I disagree. NetworkManager is fine... on a laptop, where you're going to be moving it from network to network. For a wired network - that is, for any server (remember the Enterprise part of the name?) - it's utterly unnecessary. And it wall worked fine before NM. And NM has caused problems on occasion, before we just turned the thing *off*. The NetworkManager in EL6 is pretty poor - everyone knows that. The NetworkManager in F19/20 (and EL7) is a vastly different beast with most of the reasons for disabling it in EL6 (bonding, bridging, vlans, etc) no longer being an issue. Remember that the standard network service is literally source the relevant ifcfg-*, rule-* or route-* file and then using the variables just sourced run shell scripts calling ip addr, ip link, ip route, ip rule, etc to get the system into the state you want. One of the drivers behind systemd in the beginning was to avoid arbitrary shell scripts configuring the system and resulting in the potential for confusion with selinux contexts and inherited environments when directly run by a user... With NM handling the connection the correct details are obtained and then through the netlink APIs the interfaces configured as per the state desired without shell scripts and forking all over the place... Read through the networking documentation, fire up a EL7 system and give it an honest try: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7-Beta/html-single/Networking_Guide/index.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote: Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being speculation that building the next major release wouldn't be as troublesome, for various reasons[*]. Did that turn out to be true? [*] a) Improved procedures, b) grand works that, done once, don't need to be done over again as long as upstream doesn't change the world again, etc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12 December 2013 15:32, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote: On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote: Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being speculation that building the next major release wouldn't be as troublesome, for various reasons[*]. Did that turn out to be true? [*] a) Improved procedures, b) grand works that, done once, don't need to be done over again as long as upstream doesn't change the world again, etc. Well seeing as we haven't had a major release since then it's hard to say (although times for the point releases to come out have been markedly short)... Guess EL7 will be a true test ;) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/2013 09:13, James Hogarth wrote: On 12 December 2013 15:32, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote: On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote: Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being speculation that building the next major release wouldn't be as troublesome, for various reasons[*]. Did that turn out to be true? [*] a) Improved procedures, b) grand works that, done once, don't need to be done over again as long as upstream doesn't change the world again, etc. Well seeing as we haven't had a major release since then it's hard to say (although times for the point releases to come out have been markedly short)... My assumption when asking is that they had already taken enough of a look at the RH7 beta to see if Red Hat had undone the hard work of getting CentOS 6 out the door. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On 12/12/13 11:17, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 12/12/2013 11:03 AM, Peter wrote: I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host. this is a great test to have done. Would really like to hear comments about process and result. I presume this is with the Xen4CentOS stack ? - KB I intend to install it using KVM on CentOS 6.5 host. I'll post the results. Cheers, Phil... -- currently (ab)using Arch Linux, CentOS 6.4, Debian Squeeze Wheezy, Fedora 19 20, OS X Snow Leopard Tiger, Ubuntu Quantal, Raring Saucy GnuGPG Key : http://phildobbin.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add?
Unfortunately I've misplaced the audit logs and report of the problem,
but this is the policy I had to add:
module mypol 1.0;
require {
type unconfined_t;
type sshd_net_t;
type kernel_t;
class process { dyntransition transition sigchld };
}
#= kernel_t ==
allow kernel_t sshd_net_t:process dyntransition;
allow kernel_t unconfined_t:process { dyntransition transition };
#= sshd_net_t ==
allow sshd_net_t kernel_t:process sigchld;
Peter
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On 12/12/2013 01:49 PM, Peter wrote:
On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add?
Unfortunately I've misplaced the audit logs and report of the problem, but
this is the policy I had to add:
module mypol 1.0;
require { type unconfined_t; type sshd_net_t; type kernel_t; class process
{ dyntransition transition sigchld }; }
#= kernel_t == allow kernel_t sshd_net_t:process
dyntransition; allow kernel_t unconfined_t:process { dyntransition
transition };
#= sshd_net_t == allow sshd_net_t kernel_t:process
sigchld;
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I actually do not think you need these, these were all caused by the
originally mislabeled system. If you remove your custom policy, I bet it will
work fine.
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On 12/13/2013 08:20 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
On 12/12/2013 01:49 PM, Peter wrote:
On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to
add?
Unfortunately I've misplaced the audit logs and report of the
problem, but this is the policy I had to add:
module mypol 1.0;
require { type unconfined_t; type sshd_net_t; type kernel_t;
class process { dyntransition transition sigchld }; }
#= kernel_t == allow kernel_t
sshd_net_t:process dyntransition; allow kernel_t
unconfined_t:process { dyntransition transition };
#= sshd_net_t == allow sshd_net_t
kernel_t:process sigchld;
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I actually do not think you need these, these were all caused by
the originally mislabeled system. If you remove your custom
policy, I bet it will work fine.
That makes sense. I will try removing them and see how it goes (any
pointers on how to remove a policy?).
Peter
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2013 09:26 AM, Peter wrote: I actually do not think you need these, these were all caused by the originally mislabeled system. If you remove your custom policy, I bet it will work fine. That makes sense. I will try removing them and see how it goes (any pointers on how to remove a policy?). I figured it out, and you are quite correct, it works fine without the policy. What I will have to remember is that from now on when doing this type of install to always do a relabel. Thanks, Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSqh1MAAoJEAUijw0EjkDvHDoH/27XC4JJ12FmN+jILoeTC8lT yUmoK0xqT+ZmnRZCkY72sOnKk/p8CtKKrO0MoK2LFTNSuPWW1ReCIhAIWfnkf1tL s4xBWWE+AbWLN5oSowzgg34avMIAKzpGBTHGOoZxaxRPDSjyvUN35eRcigWzjbEz 3fv2Li5Rr2kWifcIcXWKTa7o1F4baY2OTEEZEtL781YUFtw4p1xLpypHKdASJ9wN uO5Jisg6ODCc5Wdp9SfCum+hk/wHpriT4D3CiceZWKPWENYu/GsUZDYXLmLHrsn2 nVIzaU6B1rrgcTuaHdTdGv+mJ6Fl6qTfO3vdgaaeK69VuEAHPo3TgiloSfEe8fY= =bMvG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 11.12.2013 um 17:03 schrieb Alain Péan alain.p...@lpn.cnrs.fr: Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit : http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues athttp://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. There seems to be only x86_64 release ? That would be in the current trend... that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw (router etc.). Indeed. Now RHEL/CentOS won't be able to run on PC Engines ALIX hardware (with PAE enabled in CentOS 6 the kernel needed recompiled, but that's not too horrible). I opted to run another distro, so I never went through all the work for ALIX hardware. In a way it's a shame... At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes. And they're also will be supporting three releases (5, 6, 7) for a period of time as well. It's probably a good time to consider other alternatives. :-/ Fedora, Debian, Voyage, OpenWrt, Gentoo, etc, etc. Unless it's embedded hardware ... by the time EL6 isn't supported I'll be you'll have a beefier x86_64 machine as a firewall! :) -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 // ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Am 12.12.2013 um 22:35 schrieb SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw (router etc.). Indeed. Now RHEL/CentOS won't be able to run on PC Engines ALIX hardware (with PAE enabled in CentOS 6 the kernel needed recompiled, but that's not too horrible). I opted to run another distro, so I never went through all the work for ALIX hardware. yep. the same hw here. i had tested openwall os some years ago. They have some correlation with rhel. Rebuilding rpms from EL should be straight forward but it will lead to more work :-) In a way it's a shame... At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes. And they're also will be supporting three releases (5, 6, 7) for a period of time as well. It's probably a good time to consider other alternatives. :-/ Fedora, Debian, Voyage, OpenWrt, Gentoo, etc, etc. http://www.openwall.com/Owl/ Unless it's embedded hardware ... by the time EL6 isn't supported I'll be you'll have a beefier x86_64 machine as a firewall! :) any suggestions? -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Does NM need a gui to configure interfaces, etc. On 12/12/2013 09:40 AM, James Hogarth wrote: On 12 December 2013 14:06, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: By the same logic you could argue that a text editor is not required for a bare minimum --- namely, you can always use cat and echo from the command line to edit the config files. The point of the text editor in a minimal installation is to make life easier for a sysadmin. The point of NetworkManager is the same --- it is included so that you don't have to just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts. I disagree. NetworkManager is fine... on a laptop, where you're going to be moving it from network to network. For a wired network - that is, for any server (remember the Enterprise part of the name?) - it's utterly unnecessary. And it wall worked fine before NM. And NM has caused problems on occasion, before we just turned the thing *off*. The NetworkManager in EL6 is pretty poor - everyone knows that. The NetworkManager in F19/20 (and EL7) is a vastly different beast with most of the reasons for disabling it in EL6 (bonding, bridging, vlans, etc) no longer being an issue. Remember that the standard network service is literally source the relevant ifcfg-*, rule-* or route-* file and then using the variables just sourced run shell scripts calling ip addr, ip link, ip route, ip rule, etc to get the system into the state you want. One of the drivers behind systemd in the beginning was to avoid arbitrary shell scripts configuring the system and resulting in the potential for confusion with selinux contexts and inherited environments when directly run by a user... With NM handling the connection the correct details are obtained and then through the netlink APIs the interfaces configured as per the state desired without shell scripts and forking all over the place... Read through the networking documentation, fire up a EL7 system and give it an honest try: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7-Beta/html-single/Networking_Guide/index.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves* Director of Technology Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 12.12.2013 um 22:35 schrieb SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.comwrote: that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw (router etc.). Indeed. Now RHEL/CentOS won't be able to run on PC Engines ALIX hardware (with PAE enabled in CentOS 6 the kernel needed recompiled, but that's not too horrible). I opted to run another distro, so I never went through all the work for ALIX hardware. yep. the same hw here. i had tested openwall os some years ago. They have some correlation with rhel. Rebuilding rpms from EL should be straight forward but it will lead to more work :-) I have some old embedded boards (older than ALIX) lying around I figured I'd lab with... Go figure I had to recompile kernels in order to enable support for certain chips/devices. In a way it's a shame... At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes. And they're also will be supporting three releases (5, 6, 7) for a period of time as well. It's probably a good time to consider other alternatives. :-/ Fedora, Debian, Voyage, OpenWrt, Gentoo, etc, etc. http://www.openwall.com/Owl/ Unless it's embedded hardware ... by the time EL6 isn't supported I'll be you'll have a beefier x86_64 machine as a firewall! :) any suggestions? I was thinking maybe a Soekris board with Intel Atom CPUs can get you the 64-bit CPUs you want. But no ... once you get through the models that have AMD Geode LX CPUs (which are 486/586) you stumble into models that have Intel Atom CPUs that are in the E6xx family which are not 64-bit capable. And boy are the upper-end models a bit salty (might be a bit cheaper from a distributor/reseller). You could build a mini-ITX system ... but you'd probably quadruple power consumption (~5w for Geode LX800 systems and likely ~20w for Atom systems). Sorry :-( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors http://soekris.com/products/net6501-30-board-case.html http://soekris.com/products/net6501-50-board-case.html http://soekris.com/products/net6501-70-board-case.html -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 // ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 06:47:40PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: Does NM need a gui to configure interfaces, etc. No, there's some sort of cli tool. Again, I don't use it. You're still able to get rid of it if desired. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
Am 11.12.2013 um 16:56 schrieb Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org: Hi, http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. cool! -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit : http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues athttp://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. There seems to be only x86_64 release ? That would be in the current trend... Alain -- Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Photonique et Nanostructures (LPN/CNRS - UPR20) Centre de Recherche Alcatel Data IV - Marcoussis route de Nozay - 91460 Marcoussis Tel : 01-69-63-61-34 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 11/12/13 16:03, Alain Péan wrote: Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit : http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues athttp://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. There seems to be only x86_64 release ? That would be in the current trend... Alain Correct. RHEL7 will have support for 32-bit apps by way of 32-bit compatability libs as is currently the case on 6 (so you can run 32-bit apps on a 64-bit system), but from RHEL7 there will be no 32-bit installation option. See the release notes here for details of major changes: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7-Beta/html-single/7.0_Release_Notes/index.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did with GNOME 3. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.orgwrote: Hi, http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. Regards, -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Le 11/12/2013 18:26, Andrew Wyatt a écrit : Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did with GNOME 3. From the release notes : Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta features the next major version of the GNOME Desktop, GNOME 3. The user experience of GNOME 3 is largely defined by GNOME Shell, which replaces the GNOME 2 desktop shell. Apart from window management, GNOME Shell provides the top bar on the screen, which hosts the 'system status' area in the top right, a clock, and a hot corner that switches to |Activities Overview|, which provides easy access to applications and windows. The default GNOME Shell interface in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta is GNOME Classic which features a window list at the bottom of the screen and traditional *Applications* and *Places* menus. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Am 11.12.2013 um 18:51 schrieb Alain Péan alain.p...@lpn.cnrs.fr: Le 11/12/2013 18:26, Andrew Wyatt a écrit : Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did with GNOME 3. From the release notes : Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta features the next major version of the GNOME Desktop, GNOME 3. The user experience of GNOME 3 is largely defined by GNOME Shell, which replaces the GNOME 2 desktop shell. Apart from window management, GNOME Shell provides the top bar on the screen, which hosts the 'system status' area in the top right, a clock, and a hot corner that switches to |Activities Overview|, which provides easy access to applications and windows. The default GNOME Shell interface in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta is GNOME Classic which features a window list at the bottom of the screen and traditional *Applications* and *Places* menus. RHEL7 without thunderbird :-( -- LF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: den 11 december 2013 16:56 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public Hi, http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and file reports. Dont use it in production. As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta builds from Red Hat and to report issues at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the release upsteam, and do it in a manner that allows lots of people to get involved and track progress. Keep an eye out on posts on the centos-devel list to see how you can get involved and help with the CentOS Builds and testing process. I see nobody's asked when CentOS 7 will be out yet. ;-) Anyway, will be interesting to check out the new gnome. -- //Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
