Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting - PLEASE STOP THIS POINTLESS POST
With respect, there are such things as email filters. I encourage everybody to learn how to use their own particular MUA's filtering system. Secondly, posting a "PLEASE STOP THIS POINTLESS POST" message is futile in the extreme. If something is bothering you to the extent that the moderators need to know about it (and I don't think that this is such a situation), then you take it to them off list. Sometimes I think email is just too damn good for some people. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.mindthegapps.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting - PLEASE STOP THIS POINTLESS POST
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Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:22:29AM -0400, William L. Maltby wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 15:57 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: > > William L. Maltby wrote: > > > > > > But keep in mind you were only a "virtual ass". Not really one. And the > > > person who labeled you as an ass may have been, in fact, the ass. > > > Regardless, his was only a "virtual opinion". And unless you have a > > > personal relationship and really care what he felt... > > > > > > > So that would have been the Virtual Johnny Hughes then, not the real one ;) > > > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-May/098996.html > > Regardless of who it is... Let's all have a virtual group hug and put this thread to rest. :-) Ray ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 15:57 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: > William L. Maltby wrote: > > > > But keep in mind you were only a "virtual ass". Not really one. And the > > person who labeled you as an ass may have been, in fact, the ass. > > Regardless, his was only a "virtual opinion". And unless you have a > > personal relationship and really care what he felt... > > > > So that would have been the Virtual Johnny Hughes then, not the real one ;) > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-May/098996.html Regardless of who it is... We've all (probably) had days where our best side was not displayed. I've been a virtual and real ass many times in my life. Mostly in my "youth". As I got older, it happened less and less frequently. But I do expect that I will have future bouts "assiness". The loss of "sense of community" engendered by cyberspace works with the environment of the younger set to "dehumanize" us. We become "objects" rather than "persons". The is no prohibition against vile acts towards "objects". It takes an awareness, personal effort and some discipline to resist this dehumanizing effect. For the folks that I have seen here long enough to come to "know", I easily overlook small transgressions to are contrary to their normal behavior. This is easy because I can see and appreciate them as "persons" and fit the occasional human foibles into the context of the image of them I've developed. So whether it's Johnny or any of the other frequent "denizens", an occasional slip doesn't even get remembered after a while. Generosity and "forgiveness" (as if it was really needed) towards others is easy when I look within myself and see "them" right there inside myself. For you TX folks, I'm an old AZ boy. I suspect we have some very similar views on things. But I'm also afraid that those "commonly held principals" have slipped into the past. Some for the good, some for the worse. *sigh*. > -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
William L. Maltby wrote: But keep in mind you were only a "virtual ass". Not really one. And the person who labeled you as an ass may have been, in fact, the ass. Regardless, his was only a "virtual opinion". And unless you have a personal relationship and really care what he felt... So that would have been the Virtual Johnny Hughes then, not the real one ;) http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-May/098996.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 05:41 -0400, William L. Maltby wrote: > Sorry to jump in here, but combination of humorous and serious thoughts > crossed my mind. And maybe these thoughts will allay future threads of > this nature. > > On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 09:28 -0500, Doug Tucker wrote: > > > (Me, too, of course!) > > > > > > mhr > > > > MHR, > > > > This is true, and you and I proved we can even have fun with it, but > > name calling (I got called an ass here for virtually nothing), and > > But keep in mind you were only a "virtual ass". Not really one. And the > person who labeled you as an ass may have been, in fact, the ass. > Regardless, his was only a "virtual opinion". And unless you have a > personal relationship and really care what he felt... > > Often, when one of the habitual denizens of the list snipe at you, they > only make themselves look bad. Old farts like me think "Their momma > didn't raise them right". Or they had a rough night. > > And I'm glad they have the isolation of the 'net to allow them to vent > in safety. Being an old fart, I see lots of behavior that would not have > occurred when things had to be said face-to-face. > > Courage without risk is common, in both senses of the word. Bravado? > > Consideration and courtesy without reward is rare. > > > disrespectful snide remarks (such as telling someone they have provided > > zero value to a conversation when it was valuable to them), are not > > being blunt, that's simply being rude and childish, and has no place > > even amongst us nerds. > > Ignore them. They make themselves look bad. > > > > Hahahahathat was good, and a lot of truth in it too. And I didn't snipe back, I ignored it for the most part, but being an old fart myself, and a born and raised Texas boy, when they started sniping at a lady, well, where I come from IRL, that would buy them a good of fashioned country butt whoopin. I was polite, but frankly thought they needed a "virtual" slap down. I did resist the temptation :). Reminded me too of a video my 4 year old watches, where the old cow tells his son "A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others." And yes, courage without risk is common. Being an old Texas boy, I would love the opportunity to discuss IRL :). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
Sorry to jump in here, but combination of humorous and serious thoughts crossed my mind. And maybe these thoughts will allay future threads of this nature. On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 09:28 -0500, Doug Tucker wrote: > > (Me, too, of course!) > > > > mhr > > MHR, > > This is true, and you and I proved we can even have fun with it, but > name calling (I got called an ass here for virtually nothing), and But keep in mind you were only a "virtual ass". Not really one. And the person who labeled you as an ass may have been, in fact, the ass. Regardless, his was only a "virtual opinion". And unless you have a personal relationship and really care what he felt... Often, when one of the habitual denizens of the list snipe at you, they only make themselves look bad. Old farts like me think "Their momma didn't raise them right". Or they had a rough night. And I'm glad they have the isolation of the 'net to allow them to vent in safety. Being an old fart, I see lots of behavior that would not have occurred when things had to be said face-to-face. Courage without risk is common, in both senses of the word. Bravado? Consideration and courtesy without reward is rare. > disrespectful snide remarks (such as telling someone they have provided > zero value to a conversation when it was valuable to them), are not > being blunt, that's simply being rude and childish, and has no place > even amongst us nerds. Ignore them. They make themselves look bad. > -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
> (Me, too, of course!) > > mhr MHR, This is true, and you and I proved we can even have fun with it, but name calling (I got called an ass here for virtually nothing), and disrespectful snide remarks (such as telling someone they have provided zero value to a conversation when it was valuable to them), are not being blunt, that's simply being rude and childish, and has no place even amongst us nerds. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 15:00 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > I read an interesting take on "why" once. Can't remember the link > though... nerds need to remember that normal folk appreciate niceities > in conversation, and normal folk need to remember that nerds are often > very blunt but aren't really trying to be offensive. http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Ray Van Dolson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Someone around for 10 years much less 51 years would know that > Karanbir's style of communication should be considered "blunt" and not > offensive. It's a common style of communication for developers. I > never take it personally... > Excellent advice, especially for newbies and non-nerds. > I read an interesting take on "why" once. Can't remember the link > though... nerds need to remember that normal folk appreciate niceities > in conversation, and normal folk need to remember that nerds are often > very blunt but aren't really trying to be offensive. > In which case, a nerd with 51 years experience should understand (instead of complaining). > And for the record, top posting is evil (but ubiquitous thanks to MS > Outlook and friends) and I much prefer mailing lists to forums. :) > Then you must also be a nerd. (Me, too, of course!) mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 02:53:50PM -0700, Scott Silva wrote: > on 5-16-2008 8:14 AM Carol Anne Ogdin spake the following: >> Dear Mr. Singh: >> >> I understand you prefer this medium. I have practical experience with >> alternatives that have offered measurable and definite benefits to the >> communities they serve. >> >> Your opinions are louder than your putative experience. Unfortunately, in >> 51 years in the computer industry, I've sometimes had to cope with behaviors >> like yours. It still makes me sad to experience such unhappy people who >> think that attack is the best way to enrich a collaboration. > > So 51 years ago you had to be working on either Univac or a CDC 1604. There > wasn't much else around in 1957. Digital had just opened and hadn't > produced a system yet, so Sperry Rand and the new kids CDC were about it. Someone around for 10 years much less 51 years would know that Karanbir's style of communication should be considered "blunt" and not offensive. It's a common style of communication for developers. I never take it personally... I read an interesting take on "why" once. Can't remember the link though... nerds need to remember that normal folk appreciate niceities in conversation, and normal folk need to remember that nerds are often very blunt but aren't really trying to be offensive. And for the record, top posting is evil (but ubiquitous thanks to MS Outlook and friends) and I much prefer mailing lists to forums. :) Ray ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: OT: Top Posting
Scott Silva wrote: on 5-16-2008 8:14 AM Carol Anne Ogdin spake the following: ..Unfortunately, in 51 years in the computer industry, I've sometimes had to cope with behaviors like yours. It still makes me sad to experience such unhappy people who think that attack is the best way to enrich a collaboration. So 51 years ago you had to be working on either Univac or a CDC 1604. There wasn't much else around in 1957. Digital had just opened and hadn't produced a system yet, so Sperry Rand and the new kids CDC were about it. you left out the IBM 1440, and card tabulating systems. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
