Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should I try to learn > vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to > administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, > for the gcc editor? That's the sort of question where, if you ask ten people for their opinion, you will get sixteen different answers. At least. I personally use either vi or nedit, depending on what the current environment is and what I'm trying to accomplish. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 > Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Should I try to learn >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >> for the gcc editor? > > That's the sort of question where, if you ask ten people for their opinion, > you > will get sixteen different answers. At least. > > I personally use either vi or nedit, depending on what the current > environment is and what I'm trying to accomplish. OK, I'm the second of the sixteen answers. I use vi and elvis (GUI editor 100% compatible with vi). I highly recommend you learn vi. You will never regret :-D Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 05:04:16PM -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > > I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've > begun to read that and I did > yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop > user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn > vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to > administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, > for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, > but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? > TIA! gvim There is almost no pain if you stick with gvim (vim). The help is full of helpfull stuff, the mouse works, syntax and keyword aware You might also look at Eclipse. -- T o m M i t c h e l l Got a great hat... now what. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 15:40 -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 > > Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Should I try to learn > >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to > >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, > >> for the gcc editor? These two usually result in religious wars. Emacs is *very* powerful and customizable and extensible. Probably makes the learning curve longer. But it already has definitions for several languages. Vim also has some. I never used emacs much as I already had a "cake walk" into vi (now vim) because it uses a lot of what you find in regex, which I was intimately familiar with, from heavy "ed" usage before vim was a gleam in someone's eye. If you already have some familiarity with regex (grep, sed, et al), you'll probably find vim faster to learn. Then I would suggest that. Otherwise, take a quick browse of the man pages for both, pick one or the other and use it (almost) exclusively. You'll quickly become competent if you use it a lot and take brief reads of succeeding sections in the man pages or tutorials. > > -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
Lanny Marcus wrote: I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've begun to read that and I did yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? TIA! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi, I suggest to install Eclipse and CDT plugin and you get a full IDE http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ BR Vaclav ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 >> Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Should I try to learn >>> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >>> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >>> for the gcc editor? >> >> That's the sort of question where, if you ask ten people for their opinion, >> you >> will get sixteen different answers. At least. >> >> I personally use either vi or nedit, depending on what the current >> environment is and what I'm trying to accomplish. > > OK, I'm the second of the sixteen answers. I use vi and elvis (GUI > editor 100% compatible with vi). I highly recommend you learn vi. > You will never regret :-D Akemi: I think by the time I finished the question yesterday, I answered my own question. I am going to learn how to use vi (actually, vim). This is the first time I have heard of the elvis editor. As you wrote, I will not regret learning vi and the other editors might not be available in a remote box. Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Nifty Cluster Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 05:04:16PM -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: >> I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've >> begun to read that and I did >> yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop >> user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >> for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, >> but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? >> TIA! > gvim > There is almost no pain if you stick with gvim (vim). > The help is full of helpfull stuff, the mouse works, > syntax and keyword aware gvim sounds interesting. Thanks! I tried to install it, but it's not in rpmforge. Is it in another yum repository? > You might also look at Eclipse. First time I've heard of that one. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, William L. Maltby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 15:40 -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 >> > Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> Should I try to learn >> >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >> >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >> >> for the gcc editor? > > These two usually result in religious wars. Emacs is *very* powerful and > customizable and extensible. Probably makes the learning curve longer. > But it already has definitions for several languages. Vim also has some. Bill: I am going to have a *huge* learning curve with C++, so I am going to go with vi (vim) or something *very* close to it and avoid the long learning curve of Emacs. Emacs is a completely different breed. Apples to Oranges. > > I never used emacs much as I already had a "cake walk" into vi (now vim) > because it uses a lot of what you find in regex, which I was intimately > familiar with, from heavy "ed" usage before vim was a gleam in someone's > eye. I used an Intel editor, years ago, that probably was something like vim. Prefer not to need to memorize, but if I use it often enough, I will learn it and be able to use it. > > If you already have some familiarity with regex (grep, sed, et al), > you'll probably find vim faster to learn. No experience with those. > > Then I would suggest that. Otherwise, take a quick browse of the man > pages for both, pick one or the other and use it (almost) exclusively. > You'll quickly become competent if you use it a lot and take brief reads > of succeeding sections in the man pages or tutorials. Vi or vim. I think Emacs would just cloud my mind, when I'm trying to absorb C++Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Vaclav Mocek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lanny Marcus wrote: >> I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've >> begun to read that and I did >> yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop >> user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >> for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, >> but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? >> TIA! > I suggest to install Eclipse and CDT plugin and you get a full IDE > http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ I will look at Eclipse, but one of my goals is to be able to fix problems on a remote box and that will probably require vi. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Nifty Cluster Mitch > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 05:04:16PM -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > >> I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've > >> begun to read that and I did > >> yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop > >> user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn > >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to > >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, > >> for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, > >> but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? > >> TIA! > > > gvim > > There is almost no pain if you stick with gvim (vim). > > The help is full of helpfull stuff, the mouse works, > > syntax and keyword aware > > gvim sounds interesting. Thanks! I tried to install it, but it's not > in rpmforge. > Is it in another yum repository? > > > You might also look at Eclipse. > > First time I've heard of that one. Well Eclipse is more of an IDE (Integrated Development Environment) which I think having one that works across multiple languages is essential. Emacs was the original IDE, but the GUI gives a lot more to the environment, contextual language reference, interface designing, etc. Though Emacs purists will argue that elisp modules exist to provide those, and they probably do, but GUI interface design tools, most likely they do not. vi is an essential tool to learn though for system administration and quick-n-dirty coding, but to really develop a software system you need an IDE, preferably one that can handle multiple languages, has a GUI designer, language reference tools, and integrates with multiple revision control systems (rcs/cvs, subversion, git). -Ross __ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Nifty Cluster Mitch > > gvim > > There is almost no pain if you stick with gvim (vim). > > The help is full of helpfull stuff, the mouse works, > > syntax and keyword aware > > gvim sounds interesting. Thanks! I tried to install it, but it's not > in rpmforge. > Is it in another yum repository? Yes, in base. It's what you get when you install vim-X11. "yum provides \*gvim\*" can tell you things like that. Cheers, Ralph pgpLTK8d52sOE.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Ross S. W. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well Eclipse is more of an IDE (Integrated Development Environment) > which I think having one that works across multiple languages is > essential. > > Emacs was the original IDE, but the GUI gives a lot more to the > environment, contextual language reference, interface designing, > etc. Though Emacs purists will argue that elisp modules exist > to provide those, and they probably do, but GUI interface > design tools, most likely they do not. > > vi is an essential tool to learn though for system administration > and quick-n-dirty coding, but to really develop a software system > you need an IDE, preferably one that can handle multiple languages, > has a GUI designer, language reference tools, and integrates with > multiple revision control systems (rcs/cvs, subversion, git). Ross: Thank you, for all of the above. It looks like I need to learn both vi and an IDE, for different tasks. Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lanny Marcus wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Nifty Cluster Mitch >> > gvim >> > There is almost no pain if you stick with gvim (vim). >> > The help is full of helpfull stuff, the mouse works, >> > syntax and keyword aware >> >> gvim sounds interesting. Thanks! I tried to install it, but it's not >> in rpmforge. >> Is it in another yum repository? > > Yes, in base. It's what you get when you install vim-X11. > > "yum provides \*gvim\*" can tell you things like that. Thanks! I've got it now. Installed: vim-X11.i386 2:7.0.109-3.el5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Nifty Cluster Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 05:04:16PM -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: >> >> I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've >> begun to read that and I did >> yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop >> user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn >> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >> for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, >> but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? >> TIA! > > gvim > > There is almost no pain if you stick with gvim (vim). > The help is full of helpfull stuff, the mouse works, > syntax and keyword aware Thank you! gvim is slick. As you wrote, it has lots of help and it will be easy to learn how to use vi, by learning on gvim. Better than holding a cheat sheet or having a book open, trying to figure out what to do, when learning. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
mcedit "yum install mc" and you can start using it. Can't get more intuitive than that. I use it for PHP and C programming, and shell scripting. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 >> Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Should I try to learn >>> vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to >>> administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, >>> for the gcc editor? >> >> That's the sort of question where, if you ask ten people for their opinion, >> you >> will get sixteen different answers. At least. >> >> I personally use either vi or nedit, depending on what the current >> environment is and what I'm trying to accomplish. > > OK, I'm the second of the sixteen answers. I use vi and elvis (GUI > editor 100% compatible with vi). I highly recommend you learn vi. > You will never regret :-D I also recommend you learn vi. There are one reason which is not vi related and I want to point it out here. People using vi usually work on terminal ... if your are Linux or Win32/MinGW+MSYS user ... you are probably using 'bash'. The 'bash' has a edit mode called vi mode which allow you to edit command history via vi's search command '/' or '?'. If you are using terminal command a lot ... this feature is your friend. It's a lot of better than using arrow key to fetch back the command history. So, learn vi ... and you can share the same command when using terminal/bash. Regards KC > > Akemi > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Florin Andrei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mcedit > "yum install mc" and you can start using it. Can't get more intuitive than > that. I use it for PHP and C programming, and shell scripting. I think a friend used Midnight Commander, years ago. On Wikipedia, their description explains some interesting capabilities. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Kuang-Chun Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:16 -0500 >>> Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Should I try to learn vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, for the gcc editor? > I also recommend you learn vi. There are one reason which is not vi > related and I want to point it out here. > > People using vi usually work on terminal ... if your are Linux or > Win32/MinGW+MSYS > user ... you are probably using 'bash'. The 'bash' has a edit mode > called vi mode > which allow you to edit command history via vi's search command '/' or '?'. > > If you are using terminal command a lot ... this feature is your > friend. It's a lot > of better than using arrow key to fetch back the command history. > > So, learn vi ... and you can share the same command when using terminal/bash. Thank you for pointing that out! Yes, bash is the shell. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On 08/10/08 15:04, Lanny Marcus wrote: I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've begun to read that and I did yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? TIA! I'm a Vim user myself, but I noticed one of our engineers using an editor which looked pretty nice. It's called "geany": http://geany.uvena.de/ Looks like DAG has packaged it: http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/geany/ -- Tim Utschig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 408-934-3754 (desk) 408-644-3861 (cell) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 18:03 -0700, Tim Utschig wrote: > On 08/10/08 15:04, Lanny Marcus wrote: > > I downloaded the .pdf version of "Thinking in C++" and I've > > begun to read that and I did > > yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' I'm a Newbie Desktop > > user, jumping into the deep end of the pool. Should I try to learn > > vi (Vim) (which obviously will help me, if I ever need to > > administer a remote box) or install Emacs or something else, > > for the gcc editor? An easy learning curve is strongly preferred, > > but, I am 100% aware of the advantages of vi. Recommendations? > > TIA! > > I'm a Vim user myself, but I noticed one of our engineers using an > editor which looked pretty nice. It's called "geany": > > http://geany.uvena.de/ geany is great; I use it all the time. The only issue I have with it is that it doesn't support gnome-vfs so you can't connect directly to a remote server and edit files there. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
Lanny Marcus wrote: > > Thank you! gvim is slick. As you wrote, it has lots of help > and it will be easy to learn how to use vi, by learning on gvim. > Better than holding a cheat sheet or having a book open, trying > to figure out what to do, when learning. There is a nice vi cheatsheet available here: http://downloads.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=172404 The help in gvim is nice, but a good cheatsheet is more convenient when you are just looking for a simple command. -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:25 -0400 Bowie Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is a nice vi cheatsheet available here: > > http://downloads.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=172404 "Access to this feature requires a free TechRepublic membership!" -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?)
On Mon, August 11, 2008 19:27, Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Kuang-Chun Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> So, learn vi ... and you can share the same command when using >> terminal/bash. > > Thank you for pointing that out! Yes, bash is the shell. The GNU readline library, which is where bash gets it's command-line editing, supports both emacs and vi modes, so you can have that commonality either way. Personally I think the only vi command one needs to know is ":q!". -- David Dyer-Bennet, [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?) [Going OT]
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 11:04 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > > Vi or vim. I think Emacs would just cloud my mind, when I'm trying to absorb > C++Lanny If you have C experience, it'll be quick once you get your head around constructors, destructors, inheritance, templates (I never did enough of that to get it), et al. It essentially implements a bunch of things we used to do as functions, libraries or modules when we recognized a strong re-usability potential, and formalizes all that to the object oriented model. Good luck on it and I know you'll enjoy it once you see results. > -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?) [Going OT]
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM, William L. Maltby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 11:04 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: >> > >> Vi or vim. I think Emacs would just cloud my mind, when I'm trying to absorb >> C++Lanny > > If you have C experience, it'll be quick once you get your head around > constructors, destructors, inheritance, templates (I never did enough of > that to get it), et al. > > It essentially implements a bunch of things we used to do as functions, > libraries or modules when we recognized a strong re-usability potential, > and formalizes all that to the object oriented model. > > Good luck on it and I know you'll enjoy it once you see results. Thanks! Not much C experience. I'm an old Assembly Language guy. Trying to enter the 21st century now. C++ is a lot to learn and it looks like a lot of it has to do with the way things are done in OOP. The book is very long (878 pages) but well regarded. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?) [Going OT]
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 12:38 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM, William L. Maltby > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 11:04 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > >> > > > >> Vi or vim. I think Emacs would just cloud my mind, when I'm trying to > >> absorb > >> C++Lanny > > > > > Thanks! Not much C experience. I'm an old Assembly Language guy. Trying to Ditto - IBM 360/370. Some things never leave. BALR 14, save area trace register 13, etc. I still love assembly. Speed and efficiency were my big thing. > enter the 21st century now. C++ is a lot to learn and it looks like a > lot of it has to do with > the way things are done in OOP. The book is very long (878 pages) but > well regarded. Yes, OOP is the whole purpose of C++. When it first came out, I dismissed it as "fluff" (OOP was really new then and initial specs and implementations had not much power). By the time C95 came out, things had started to look more useful. By now (I've not looked in a long time) I'm sure it deserves its highly regarded status. > Well, don't want to pollute the list further. I'll just say that you should grab some small snippets of a real application to peruse as you go through the book. It will help assimilation (no, not the Borg kind!) immensely. Enjoy! -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gcc editor for newbie (Emacs or vim or ?) [Going OT]
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:07 PM, William L. Maltby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 12:38 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM, William L. Maltby >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks! Not much C experience. I'm an old Assembly Language guy. Trying to > > Ditto - IBM 360/370. Some things never leave. BALR 14, save area trace > register 13, etc. I still love assembly. Speed and efficiency were my > big thing. I began with IBM 360/65 ALC on an airline reservation system I finished the first chapter of the book. It is excellent. The author obviously worked in industry and knows what it is like, working in the real world. > Yes, OOP is the whole purpose of C++. When it first came out, I > dismissed it as "fluff" (OOP was really new then and initial specs and > implementations had not much power). By the time C95 came out, things > had started to look more useful. By now (I've not looked in a long time) > I'm sure it deserves its highly regarded status. >From reading the first chapter, I'm sure that is true. He wrote that 50 to 70% of projects end in failure. OOP should reduce that percentage. > Well, don't want to pollute the list further. I'll just say that you > should grab some small snippets of a real application to peruse as you > go through the book. It will help assimilation (no, not the Borg kind!) > immensely. I'll ask a former manager/colleague if he happens to have any code from a project he worked on that isn't classified, that he can send me. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
