Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-19 Thread Charles Polisher
Dave Stevens wrote:
> Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Dave Stevens  wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > I have a centos instance on a host where uname -a shows:
> > > 
> > > Linux cl28810.com 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2PAE #1 SMP Fri Dec 17
> > > 19:34:22 MSK 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

I apologize for this late reply, have been occupied elsewhere.

Consider configuring Apache's server-status feature:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_status.html
It won't specifically help with memory issues, at least
not directly, but it is a good starting point when tuning
Apache.

Here are specific Apache tuning tips:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html

You can place a test-load on your server and get some
baseline statistics about the server's performance
characteristics using Apache's benchmark utility:
/usr/sbin/ab -n 1000 -c 10 http://localhost/server-status
so you'll have a point of reference for where your attempts
to tune it are going.

I wouldn't expect RAM to be the limiting factor for Apache,
perhaps some feature in Drupal is leaking memory? What does
top say about the 
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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Dave Stevens
On Thursday, March 17, 2011 02:31:28 pm Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> On 3/18/11, Dave Stevens  wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > I have a centos instance on a host where uname -a shows:
> > 
> > Linux cl28810.com 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2PAE #1 SMP Fri Dec 17
> > 19:34:22 MSK 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> 
> I would suggest you look into the swap settings on both the Centos*
> host and the Centos* guest.
> 
> Is swap stored on RAID0+1 etc.
> 
> Is the VM stored in LVM or on  filesystem, if any, which?
> 
> It is also difficult to make out if the 1.5G RAM you mentioned is
> physically on the host or allocated to VM.
> 
> Having some such details would make an interest furtherance to this thread.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rajagopal

Thanks to all who replied, I'm taking the matter forward with the hosting 
outfit.

Dave




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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/17/2011 4:55 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
>
>>> Ideas? Debugging I can do?
>>
>> For one thing, I'd strongly urge you to add at least another .5G RAM, if
>> not 2.5G. Second, look at the apache configuration, and see how many
>> workers it can use - you might want to lower the limit.
>
> ok, I'll look at that
>

This is probably really a drupal issue.  I don't use it, but I've seen 
comments about it using a lot of memory and you can probably find tips 
on how to tune it.  The multiple instances of apache should mostly share 
memory if the startup is smart enough to preload common data before forking.

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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Dave Stevens
On Thursday, March 17, 2011 01:09:48 pm m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Dave Stevens wrote:
> > Periodically my ssh access and http access slow dramatically and I get
> > out of memory when trying to do rudimentary stuff like ls. I've been
> > advised by
> 
> 
> 
> > is fine. It takes several minutes before the site is really usable. I now
> > have 22 apache instances out of 66 total processes, which seems
> > excessive.
> > 
> > One site hosted, running drupal 7, 1.5G RAM lots of disk spece, two
> > cores, Xeon based host. I don't know if this is an apache issue or
> > CentOS related or what.
> > 
> > Ideas? Debugging I can do?
> 
> For one thing, I'd strongly urge you to add at least another .5G RAM, if
> not 2.5G. Second, look at the apache configuration, and see how many
> workers it can use - you might want to lower the limit.

ok, I'll look at that

> 
> Also, what's your connection to the 'Net like,my measured download to the 
server is 40 mbps

> and how heavily is your
> website being hit?

almost not at all, not in production



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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Dave Stevens
On Thursday, March 17, 2011 01:09:46 pm Eero Volotinen wrote:
> 2011/3/17 Brunner, Brian T. :
> > centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:
> >> One site hosted, running drupal 7, 1.5G RAM lots of disk
> >> spece, two cores, Xeon based host.
> >> I don't know if this is an apache issue or
> >> CentOS related or
> >> what.
> > 
> > My first recommendation: You could double (or quadruple) that RAM far
> > cheaper than talking about it.
> 
> is this openvz based virtual machine?

virtuozzo is what the hosting org says

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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings,

On 3/18/11, Dave Stevens  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a centos instance on a host where uname -a shows:
>
> Linux cl28810.com 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2PAE #1 SMP Fri Dec 17
> 19:34:22 MSK 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux


I would suggest you look into the swap settings on both the Centos*
host and the Centos* guest.

Is swap stored on RAID0+1 etc.

Is the VM stored in LVM or on  filesystem, if any, which?

It is also difficult to make out if the 1.5G RAM you mentioned is
physically on the host or allocated to VM.

Having some such details would make an interest furtherance to this thread.

HTH

Regards,

Rajagopal
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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Kai Schaetzl
This is not CentOS, it's a compilation by your host built from changed 
CentOS sources. Your problem obviously is that you reach the limits of 
your VM. 1.5 GB of RAM should be enough for your 22 apache processes, so 
it is probably the CPU that is the bottleneck. Anyway, you have to talk to 
your provider, this is nothing CentOS-specific.

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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Eero Volotinen
2011/3/17  :
> Dave Stevens wrote:
>>
>> Periodically my ssh access and http access slow dramatically and I get out
>> of memory when trying to do rudimentary stuff like ls. I've been advised by
> 
>> is fine. It takes several minutes before the site is really usable. I now
>> have 22 apache instances out of 66 total processes, which seems excessive.
>>
>> One site hosted, running drupal 7, 1.5G RAM lots of disk spece, two cores,
>> Xeon based host. I don't know if this is an apache issue or CentOS related
>> or what.
>>
>> Ideas? Debugging I can do?
>
> For one thing, I'd strongly urge you to add at least another .5G RAM, if
> not 2.5G. Second, look at the apache configuration, and see how many
> workers it can use - you might want to lower the limit.
>
> Also, what's your connection to the 'Net like, and how heavily is your
> website being hit?

machine looks openvz virtualized container, it requires tuning to
limit settings.

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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread m . roth
Dave Stevens wrote:
>
> Periodically my ssh access and http access slow dramatically and I get out
> of memory when trying to do rudimentary stuff like ls. I've been advised by

> is fine. It takes several minutes before the site is really usable. I now
> have 22 apache instances out of 66 total processes, which seems excessive.
>
> One site hosted, running drupal 7, 1.5G RAM lots of disk spece, two cores,
> Xeon based host. I don't know if this is an apache issue or CentOS related
> or what.
>
> Ideas? Debugging I can do?

For one thing, I'd strongly urge you to add at least another .5G RAM, if
not 2.5G. Second, look at the apache configuration, and see how many
workers it can use - you might want to lower the limit.

Also, what's your connection to the 'Net like, and how heavily is your
website being hit?
>
> When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and
> carrying a cross.
>
> - Sinclair Lewis, It Can't Happen Here, 1935

It's happened here.

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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Eero Volotinen
2011/3/17 Brunner, Brian T. :
> centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:
>
>> One site hosted, running drupal 7, 1.5G RAM lots of disk
>> spece, two cores, Xeon based host.
>> I don't know if this is an apache issue or
>> CentOS related or
>> what.
>
> My first recommendation: You could double (or quadruple) that RAM far
> cheaper than talking about it.

is this openvz based virtual machine?

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Re: [CentOS] respawning apache on centos

2011-03-17 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:

> One site hosted, running drupal 7, 1.5G RAM lots of disk
> spece, two cores, Xeon based host. 
> I don't know if this is an apache issue or
> CentOS related or
> what.

My first recommendation: You could double (or quadruple) that RAM far
cheaper than talking about it.

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