Re: [CentOS] Strange su behavior after installing latest CentOS updates

2012-06-15 Thread Alfred von Campe
On Jun 15, 2012, at 17:11, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> please file this at bugs.centos.org - so we can make sure its not an
> issue we introduced.

Done: issue number 0005778 has been filed.

Alfred
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Re: [CentOS] Strange su behavior after installing latest CentOS updates

2012-06-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/15/2012 08:09 PM, Alfred von Campe wrote:
> 
> Thanks, that's a good idea.  Unfortunately, I don't have time to do this 
> today.  I did, however, track this down to the root cause.  The user I was 
> changing to was using tcsh as their shell (like many of our users are), and 
> this problem got introduced with the tcsh-6.17-19.el6.2 update.  Downgrading 
> tcsh to the previous release fixes the problem.
> 

please file this at bugs.centos.org - so we can make sure its not an
issue we introduced.

thanks

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Re: [CentOS] Strange su behavior after installing latest CentOS updates

2012-06-15 Thread Alfred von Campe
On Jun 15, 2012, at 14:52, Leonard den Ottolander wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up, but you should really take issues like this
> upstream. There's nothing the CentOS can or at least will do as they
> rebuild upstream ad verbatim. Try the RHEL 6 mailing list:
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list

Thanks, that's a good idea.  Unfortunately, I don't have time to do this today. 
 I did, however, track this down to the root cause.  The user I was changing to 
was using tcsh as their shell (like many of our users are), and this problem 
got introduced with the tcsh-6.17-19.el6.2 update.  Downgrading tcsh to the 
previous release fixes the problem.

Alfred

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Re: [CentOS] Strange su behavior after installing latest CentOS updates

2012-06-15 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello ALfred,

On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 13:14 -0400, Alfred von Campe wrote:
> I did a "yum update" on my CentOS 6 systems yesterday for the first time
> in about a month and now have some automated processes failing because
> the PATH is not set up correctly when using "su".

Thanks for the heads up, but you should really take issues like this
upstream. There's nothing the CentOS can or at least will do as they
rebuild upstream ad verbatim. Try the RHEL 6 mailing list:
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-10 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 10.03.2010 20:23, schrieb Tom H:
>>> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or 
>>> profile...?
>> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
>> sudo -l
> 
> Unless you already understood:
>   su -  "make the shell a login shell"
>   so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password
> 
 Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking for
 the password and why just hitting the enter key works
> 
>>> sudo -l
>>> lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo
> 
>> That is clear to me, but why does this command request the password?
> 
> Do you have rootpw/runaspw/targetpw set in /etc/sudoers?

No, I don't have. What I want to have is: None-root users shall be
allowed to run some commands as root whithout password. And, on logging
on, the users shall see, what commands they are able to run.

Thanks,
Uwe
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-10 Thread Tom H
>> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or 
>> profile...?
> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
> sudo -l

 Unless you already understood:
   su -  "make the shell a login shell"
   so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password

>>> Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking for
>>> the password and why just hitting the enter key works

>> sudo -l
>> lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo

> That is clear to me, but why does this command request the password?

Do you have rootpw/runaspw/targetpw set in /etc/sudoers?
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-10 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 10.03.2010 18:26, schrieb Tony Schreiner:
> 
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> 
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>> Am 09.03.2010 22:22, schrieb Tom H:
>>> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or  
>>> profile...?
>> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
>> sudo -l
> Unless you already understood:
>  su -  "make the shell a login shell"
>  so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's  
> password
 Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking  
 for
 the password and why just hitting the enter key works
>>>
>>> sudo -l
>>> lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo
>>
>> That is clear to me, but why does this command request the password?
> 
> what's the output of
> 
> sudo grep root /etc/sudoers
> 

## the root user, without needing the root password.
## Allow root to run any commands anywhere
rootALL=(ALL)   ALL
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-10 Thread John Doe
From: Uwe Kiewel 

> > lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo
> That is clear to me, but why does this command request the password?

Security?
Maybe they don't want someone passing by to find out what this user can run 
through sudo...

JD


  
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-10 Thread Tony Schreiner

On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Uwe Kiewel wrote:

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> Am 09.03.2010 22:22, schrieb Tom H:
>> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or  
>> profile...?
> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
> sudo -l
 Unless you already understood:
  su -  "make the shell a login shell"
  so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's  
 password
>>> Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking  
>>> for
>>> the password and why just hitting the enter key works
>>
>> sudo -l
>> lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo
>
> That is clear to me, but why does this command request the password?

what's the output of

sudo grep root /etc/sudoers

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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-10 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 09.03.2010 22:22, schrieb Tom H:
> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or 
> profile...?
 Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
 sudo -l
>>> Unless you already understood:
>>>   su -  "make the shell a login shell"
>>>   so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password
>> Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking for
>> the password and why just hitting the enter key works
> 
> sudo -l
> lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo

That is clear to me, but why does this command request the password?
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-09 Thread Tom H
 Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or profile...?
>>> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
>>> sudo -l
>> Unless you already understood:
>>   su -  "make the shell a login shell"
>>   so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password
> Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking for
> the password and why just hitting the enter key works

sudo -l
lists the commands that you are allowed to run with sudo
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-09 Thread Bowie Bailey
Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> Am 09.03.2010 17:32, schrieb John Doe:
> > From: Uwe (ML) Kiewel 
> >>> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or
> profile...?
> >> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
> >> sudo -l
> > Unless you already understood:
> >   su -  "make the shell a login shell"
> >   so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password
>
>
> Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking for
> the password and why just hitting the enter key works

Hitting the enter key "works" as far as making the prompt go away, but
the sudo command is actually failing silently.  If you enter the correct
password, you should receive some extra output.

Just pressing enter at the prompt:
$ sudo -l
Password:
$

Entering the correct password:
$ sudo -l
Password:
User xx may run the following commands on this host:
(ALL) ALL
$

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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-09 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 09.03.2010 17:32, schrieb John Doe:
> From: Uwe (ML) Kiewel 
>>> Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or profile...?
>> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
>> sudo -l
> 
> Unless you already understood:
>   su -  "make the shell a login shell"
>   so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password
> 

Understood, who is asking - not understood why "sudo -l" is asking for
the password and why just hitting the enter key works

Thanks,
Uwe
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-09 Thread John Doe
From: Uwe (ML) Kiewel 
> >Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or profile...?
> Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:
> sudo -l

Unless you already understood:
  su -  "make the shell a login shell"
  so sudo -l  in bashrc is executed, which asks for the user's password

JD


  
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-09 Thread Uwe (ML) Kiewel

From: Uwe Kiewel 
>> If I am root and want to change the user to a non-root user, the system
>> prompts me for a password:
>> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
>> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
>> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
>> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
>> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
>> #2) Think before you type.
>> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
>> Password:
>> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
>> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
>> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
>> [r...@halifax ~]#
>> At this test procedure I just hit the enter key at the password promt.
>> Do you have any idea for this behavoir? I expect to do so from root to
>> any account _without_ being prompted for the password.
>
>Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or profile...?

Yes, I do have in /etc/bashrc:

[...]
if [ $UID -ne 0 ]; then
 echo
 sudo -l
 echo
fi


Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-09 Thread John Doe
From: Uwe Kiewel 
> If I am root and want to change the user to a non-root user, the system
> prompts me for a password:
> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
> #2) Think before you type.
> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
> Password:
> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
> [r...@halifax ~]#
> At this test procedure I just hit the enter key at the password promt.
> Do you have any idea for this behavoir? I expect to do so from root to
> any account _without_ being prompted for the password.

Do you have any sudo call from your /etc or /etc/skel bashrc or profile...?

JD


  
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 09.03.2010 02:16, schrieb Spiro Harvey:
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:28:44 +0100
> Uwe Kiewel  wrote:
> 
>>> that almost sounds like sudo, not su.   is it aliased or something?
>> I don't think so:
>> [r...@halifax ~]# file /bin/su
> 
> You've confirmed it's not symlinked, but is it aliased?
> 
> Type "alias" and see the result.
> 

[r...@halifax ~]# alias
alias cp='cp -i'
alias l.='ls -d .* --color=tty'
alias ll='ls -l --color=tty'
alias ls='ls --color=tty'
alias mv='mv -i'
alias rm='rm -i'
alias which='alias | /usr/bin/which --tty-only --read-alias --show-dot
- --show-tilde'


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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread Spiro Harvey
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:28:44 +0100
Uwe Kiewel  wrote:

> > that almost sounds like sudo, not su.   is it aliased or something?
> I don't think so:
> [r...@halifax ~]# file /bin/su

You've confirmed it's not symlinked, but is it aliased?

Type "alias" and see the result.

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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 08.03.2010 22:03, schrieb Dan Burkland:

>> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
>> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
>> 
>> 
>> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
>> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
>> 
>> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
>> #2) Think before you type.
>> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
>> 
>> Password:
>> 
>> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
>> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
>> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
>> [r...@halifax ~]#
>> 
>> 
>> At this test procedure I just hit the enter key at the password promt.
>> 
>> 
>> Do you have any idea for this behavoir? I expect to do so from root to
>> any account _without_ being prompted for the password.
>> 

> Have you tried just running su without the dash and space before the 
> username? (For example: su test00). If not try that and let us know if you 
> receive the same result.

Same result:

[r...@halifax ~]# su test00

Password:

[tes...@halifax root]$ exit
[r...@halifax ~]#

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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread Dan Burkland
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Uwe Kiewel
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:17 PM
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: [CentOS] strange su behavior
> 
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> Hi,
> 
> I have a strange su hehavior on a CentOS 5.4 32Bit installation in a
> VMware ESXi virtualizied environment:
> 
> If I am root and want to change the user to a non-root user, the system
> prompts me for a password:
> 
> 
> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
> 
> 
> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
> 
> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
> #2) Think before you type.
> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
> 
> Password:
> 
> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
> [tes...@halifax ~]$ logout
> [r...@halifax ~]#
> 
> 
> At this test procedure I just hit the enter key at the password promt.
> 
> 
> Do you have any idea for this behavoir? I expect to do so from root to
> any account _without_ being prompted for the password.
> 
> Thanks,
>   Uwe
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Have you tried just running su without the dash and space before the username? 
(For example: su test00). If not try that and let us know if you receive the 
same result.

Regards,

Dan
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Am 08.03.2010 21:21, schrieb John R Pierce:
> Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
>> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
>>
>>
>> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
>> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
>>
>> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
>> #2) Think before you type.
>> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
>>
>> Password:
>> ...
> 
> that almost sounds like sudo, not su.   is it aliased or something?
> 

I don't think so:

[r...@halifax ~]# type su
su is hashed (/bin/su)

[r...@halifax ~]# file /bin/su
/bin/su: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped

[r...@halifax ~]# type sudo
sudo is /usr/bin/sudo

[r...@halifax ~]# file /usr/bin/sudo
/usr/bin/sudo: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version
1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped

[r...@halifax ~]# sum /bin/su
2249424

[r...@halifax ~]# sum /usr/bin/sudo
63311   138


Thanks,
Uwe
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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread Don Krause
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a strange su hehavior on a CentOS 5.4 32Bit installation in a
> VMware ESXi virtualizied environment:
> 
> If I am root and want to change the user to a non-root user, the system
> prompts me for a password:
> 
> 
> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
> 
> 
> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
> 
>#1) Respect the privacy of others.
>#2) Think before you type.
>#3) With great power comes great responsibility.
> 
> Password:

The above warning comes from sudo. Figure out why you're running sudo and not 
su as you expect. Is it aliased?

--
Don Krause   
"This message represents the official view of the voices in my head."






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Re: [CentOS] strange su behavior

2010-03-08 Thread John R Pierce
Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> [r...@halifax ~]# useradd test00
> [r...@halifax ~]# su - test00
>
>
> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
>
> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
> #2) Think before you type.
> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
>
> Password:
> ...

that almost sounds like sudo, not su.   is it aliased or something?


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