Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Karanbir Singh wrote: > Could we have something like this for people who dont have edit rights : > > - people can make an 'edit' - but the edit is handled either as a patch > emailed to the page maintainer / edit group / editorial group / this > list ? but not displayed till its 'accepted / approved ' I still would like to open up the wiki even more - especially as what we all already have talked about would not require writing macros for Moin, but would require editors to at least say "yes" to the license. I want to have a new version of the software on the wiki beforehand, though. And some place to test changes to the login process. Ralph pgpRGRRuy3am1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > I still would like to open up the wiki even more - especially as what we all > already have talked about would not require writing macros for Moin, but would > require editors to at least say "yes" to the license. Sounds good - I guess the original plan is still worth sticking with, and lowers the bar all around. And if we can get comments going as well - that would be fantastic! > I want to have a new version of the software on the wiki beforehand, though. > And some place to test changes to the login process. We should have both of these things as doable right now, or as soon as time permits! - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Karanbir Singh wrote: Ralph Angenendt wrote: I still would like to open up the wiki even more - especially as what we all already have talked about would not require writing macros for Moin, but would require editors to at least say "yes" to the license. Some thoughts in favour of the current home page granting method: It works. I asked for a home page and got one (thanks!) There may be less work involved in granting home pages manually than cleaning off the inevitable spam if it's too open. Home pages reflect on the CentOS community as a whole (more than forum profiles for example) and the requirement that you must have made a meaningful contribution before you get one seems like a sensible way to deflect the mad and the bad. (not talking about home pages now) > And if we can get comments going as well - that would be fantastic! If people can't edit pages, the ability for them to make comments is a great way to capture feedback and improve quality of the pages, especially if the page owner merges the useful comments into the page. -Julian ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Karanbir Singh wrote: > Ralph Angenendt wrote: > > I still would like to open up the wiki even more - especially as > > what we all already have talked about would not require writing > > macros for Moin, but would require editors to at least say "yes" to > > the license. > > Sounds good - I guess the original plan is still worth sticking with, > and lowers the bar all around. And if we can get comments going as > well - that would be fantastic! I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some time ago - you can only have one "comment box" per page. Second problem is that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. Lets see. Ralph pgpSBue6uHbCX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some > time ago - you can only have one "comment box" per page. Second problem is > that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so > we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. Considering most of the content here is from static files, I wonder how much work it would be to plugin some other comment system and have the content included in the page itself. I'm happy to hack together something like this with you if you fancy it? - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Good Evening, > Ralph Angenendt wrote: >> I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some >> time ago - you can only have one "comment box" per page. Second problem is >> that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so >> we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. > > Considering most of the content here is from static files, I wonder how > much work it would be to plugin some other comment system and have the > content included in the page itself. I'm happy to hack together > something like this with you if you fancy it? Comments may be an opportunity, but I think not the best. At least in wikipedia, comments are sometimes used to post suggestions (or spam), but often ignored by the original author. I would prefer to have a direct link on each page to the original author and the last editor (besides the page history) to get in contact with him/her. Also the revision number would make sense for translations, as mentioned some time ago. On top of my personal list is LDAP integration, as we want to push website v2 a bit. But I guess the groundwork has already been done by Ralph for Moin ;) Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote: > Good Evening, > >> Ralph Angenendt wrote: >>> I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some >>> time ago - you can only have one "comment box" per page. Second problem is >>> that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so >>> we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. >> >> Considering most of the content here is from static files, I wonder how >> much work it would be to plugin some other comment system and have the >> content included in the page itself. I'm happy to hack together >> something like this with you if you fancy it? > > Comments may be an opportunity, but I think not the best. At least in > wikipedia, comments are sometimes used to post suggestions (or spam), > but often ignored by the original author. > > I would prefer to have a direct link on each page to the original > author and the last editor (besides the page history) to get in > contact with him/her. Also the revision number would make sense for > translations, as mentioned some time ago. I think having comments is better than a link to the original and last author mostly because sometimes people want to report some small improvement, but if the overhead of doing the report is too big (opening an email application, copying the address, entering a subject, write the comment) than we may loose out on the feedback. Also a comment system can be moderated by a group of people, while private email/messages may get lost. For those reasons I like a comment system more (eg. I always loved the comments in the PHP annotated manual which was the first such comment system I had seen for documentation). We just have to make sure that comments are in some way moderated. Or only visible to people that are logged on, or something like that. We should avoid at all cost that a spam message becomes available to non-authenticated users even for a short period (because it would be a motivation to spam). -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Good Evening. >> Comments may be an opportunity, but I think not the best. At least in >> wikipedia, comments are sometimes used to post suggestions (or spam), >> but often ignored by the original author. >> >> I would prefer to have a direct link on each page to the original >> author and the last editor (besides the page history) to get in >> contact with him/her. Also the revision number would make sense for >> translations, as mentioned some time ago. > > I think having comments is better than a link to the original and last > author mostly because sometimes people want to report some small > improvement, but if the overhead of doing the report is too big (opening > an email application, copying the address, entering a subject, write the > comment) than we may loose out on the feedback. Sorry, Dag. I don't agree here. Small changes could be communicated with the Original Author (that's what I am doing, at least and I feel comfortable with). General Discussion should go to the list. If you want to implement a comment system, it has to offer at least a few capabilities, like: Allowing users to edit or delete their own comments. Administrators should be able to review/edit/delete all comments. > Also a comment system can be moderated by a group of people, while private > email/messages may get lost. Then we also need a list of recent comments all over the wiki and the capability to mail changes to the admin group, too. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Dag Wieers wrote: > We just have to make sure that comments are in some way moderated. Or only > visible to people that are logged on, or something like that. The Editorial Group setup becomes crucial for this. But if it can be done - would be really nice. Specially for things like the Release Notes for 5.3 - there is so much potential to harvest in massive amounts of knowledge from the users, it would be so nice if they could directly post feedback. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
hi! Marcus Moeller wrote: > Comments may be an opportunity, but I think not the best. At least in > wikipedia, comments are sometimes used to post suggestions (or spam), > but often ignored by the original author. The best part about comments is that they have no need to back to the author at all. The author can made edits to the article based on the comments and give people credit for their feedback, however comments can also be a good resource in themselves. Classic case is where there are many different ways to use a single tool ( eg, the greylisting page ) that people can just have things like other use cases, other deployment roles, alternative config mechanisms etc without making the primary article too confusing and unmanageable. > I would prefer to have a direct link on each page to the original > author and the last editor (besides the page history) to get in > contact with him/her. Also the revision number would make sense for > translations, as mentioned some time ago. > > On top of my personal list is LDAP integration, as we want to push > website v2 a bit. yes a common auth module is something to work towards for sure. There has been some feedback re; website ver2 as well and I'll try and summarise that over the next few days - get another thread going for it. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
