[CentOS-docs] XPS1530 Draft Comments Please
Good morning, Would anyone with CentOS Wiki experience consider giving feedback on the state of my draft article at? http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Dell/XPS_M1530 I will be adding info ref Nvidia graphics card driver, hard drive Load Cycle and hope to have the article completed later today or tomorrow assuming I've not messed something up :-). For now off to boldly go where I've never been before ;-) Have a good day and thanks for any comments. -- Lalit Dhiri Linux the root to no GPFs _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, David Dreggors ddregg...@cfl.rr.com wrote: In reference to that page, in the guidelines for the wiki it says I should create a Wiki HomePage to make myself available. The link in the guidelines points to http://wiki.centos.org/CategoryHomepage; I tried and I see no links to edit. I do not seem to have rights to edit that page to create one. Am I doing something wrong? You are doing just fine. Someone with wiki admin rights must initially set it up for you to edit. Thank you for contributing to the wiki. Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Potential loss of a wiki contributor.
On Fri, 8 May 2009, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 05/08/2009 05:39 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: - If your mail arrived on the list and you did not get any response, contact person1 or person2 to make sure we can fix this as soon as possible I'd rather we dont do that, it creates a direct dep on a specific person leading to the sort of issue here. I think people should be encouraged to resend a reminder to the mailing list itself. That way its visible to everyone and if there is a problem, there are resources that can be brought in to handle the problem. Yes, I agree. That was my initial thought as well, but since there was an existing escalating path (AdminGroup) I thought we may wanted to keep it for the same reason. I would also like to add some links eg. where to create a login, a link to the archive, etc... Sounds good. Actually looking at that page with my 'dunce' cap on, the page looks a bit cluttered, there might be too much info on that one page which could also cause an issue. What does everyone think ? Should that / Could that page be split up into smaller nuggets ? Could the info be better organised ? I think we should not give too many directions on that wiki-contribution section, just the steps should suffice. And then we can add on the UserPreferences an improved section on what new users can expect and what they ought to do to get commit access. Because I expect a large part of the potential contributors just create an account on the wiki without going via the Contribute page anyhow. It makes more sense to have the bulk of instructions on that page. btw, w.r.t subscriptions to the list, we can always just have a form that someone fills in that does some behind-the-scenes stuff, including subscribe the person to the list. or is that just asking for a spam honeypot ? That would be even better, but I can live with what we have right now. Definitely put it on the project TODO list as a nice-to-have feature. Maybe time to maintain such a public generic TODO list ? The bug-tracker could be used for organisational/infrastructural work and discussions. I never was a proponent to use mantis for this, but lacking something else it might just work if we provide good views. -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: David Dreggors wrote: OK, I have a first draft of my Wiki page here: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Compaq/CQ60-206US Can I get some feedback on this page? It looks fine. For the nvidia I would prefer if we go to a packaged solution (we do have dkms-nvidia drivers which will have an update soon). But I hope we can integrate dkms-nvidia into elrepo as kmod-nvidia (and xorg-x11-drv-nvidia). For the audio (and maybe other unresolved issues) I would advise to look for information from other Linux distributions for this type of laptop (or veen this type of hardware) and see whether any of those suggestions may work for you. It would be nice if we could resolve it asap. In reference to that page, in the guidelines for the wiki it says I should create a Wiki HomePage to make myself available. The link in the guidelines points to http://wiki.centos.org/CategoryHomepage; I tried and I see no links to edit. I do not seem to have rights to edit that page to create one. Am I doing something wrong? No, you have to request that it is created for you and that you get access. This is another sore point in the process, I would prefer if the person granting access would automatically create the Homepage and grant the correct access. And that is something I know how to do for you, so I just did ! -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Potential loss of a wiki contributor.
On Fri, 8 May 2009, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 05/08/2009 05:39 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: I would also like to add some links eg. where to create a login, a link to the archive, etc... Sounds good. Actually looking at that page with my 'dunce' cap on, the page looks a bit cluttered, there might be too much info on that one page which could also cause an issue. What does everyone think ? Should that / Could that page be split up into smaller nuggets ? Could the info be better organised ? I added a TableOfContents which helps a bit, however I prefer not to make seperate pages. We could move part of the Contribute-to-the-Wiki section to where we create the user. The TODO linked in the very first section is bound to be missed by most people. I think we should do a better effort in collecting items that can be improved and make it more obvious to everyone in the project that this is the page where everyone can track or suggest improvements (if they do not have the right powers). Also I am very much inclined to ask on the mailinglist and forums that everyone sends in a top-3 or a top-5 of items that the project needs to work on to me and I will compile that into something we could discuss on a CentOS conference or an internal IRL meeting. I know I do not have to ask for a permission for this, but what do others think about this ? -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Potential loss of a wiki contributor.
Dag Wieers wrote: Also I am very much inclined to ask on the mailinglist and forums that everyone sends in a top-3 or a top-5 of items that the project needs to work on to me and I will compile that into something we could discuss on a CentOS conference or an internal IRL meeting. I know I do not have to ask for a permission for this, but what do others think about this ? I agree that an open discussion is needed about ways to improve the project. How best that happens, I'm not sure. If you feel this is the best way to facilitate that, then you get my +1 :-) ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
Dag Wieers wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: David Dreggors wrote: OK, I have a first draft of my Wiki page here: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Compaq/CQ60-206US Can I get some feedback on this page? It looks fine. For the nvidia I would prefer if we go to a packaged solution (we do have dkms-nvidia drivers which will have an update soon). But I hope we can integrate dkms-nvidia into elrepo as kmod-nvidia (and xorg-x11-drv-nvidia). Would love to add that as a solution, just was unaware of that rpm in the repos. I too also prefer a packaged solution, I do not like to compile anything. Madwifi, is a packaged driver as well but will not work for me as I need the latest madwifi snapshot. The madwifi package that comes with and in fact has to be removed does not work for my hadrware. Same with the nv driver that comes with CentOS 5.3, I have to use vesa until after I have compiled the nvidia driver. For the audio (and maybe other unresolved issues) I would advise to look for information from other Linux distributions for this type of laptop (or veen this type of hardware) and see whether any of those suggestions may work for you. It would be nice if we could resolve it asap. Oh I have exhausted all those means. I even went into the alsa site looking for answers. I have seen many *similar* issues and have tried a few of the fixes (mostly modprobe.conf options). None have worked. I have a page on the CentOS forums for this, no answers there in days, still 0 posts as of last night. I even tried #centos again. Again nobody even said hello to me in answer to my questions. I saw you there Dag :) you were AFK I guess... said hello to you. There are many close (but not exact) issues mentioned for ubuntu. The fixes all require re-compile of alsa. I am not ready for that yet. No, you have to request that it is created for you and that you get access. This is another sore point in the process, I would prefer if the person granting access would automatically create the Homepage and grant the correct access. And that is something I know how to do for you, so I just did ! Nice, thanks! ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
Dag Wieers wrote: No, you have to request that it is created for you and that you get access. This is another sore point in the process, I would prefer if the person granting access would automatically create the Homepage and grant the correct access. And that is something I know how to do for you, so I just did ! I just logged into the wiki and went to the CategoryHome. I do not see my Wiki Name (DavidDreggors) in the list or an edit button to add it. Dag, am I in the wrong place? Here is where I am looking: http://wiki.centos.org/CategoryHomepage As per the guidelines page: Make yourself 'contactable' Please assist people examining the revision history of a wiki page in finding you, so that they may suggest revisions when a page is unclear or stale. Add a Personal Homepage with (at a minimum): your WikiName, a mailto link email address, and the needed category indexing link footer: CategoryHomepage The Personal Homepage in that quotes is a link to the page I added a link to above (http://wiki.centos.org/CategoryHomepage). Dag, and all others who have assisted me. I am sorry if I have become a pain. I am just lost in this whole process. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:27 AM, David Dreggors ddregg...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: And that is something I know how to do for you, so I just did ! I just logged into the wiki and went to the CategoryHome. I do not see my Wiki Name (DavidDreggors) in the list or an edit button to add it. Dag, am I in the wrong place? This is your page that Dag set up for you: http://wiki.centos.org/DavidDreggors Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: Oh I have exhausted all those means. I even went into the alsa site looking for answers. I have seen many *similar* issues and have tried a few of the fixes (mostly modprobe.conf options). None have worked. I have a page on the CentOS forums for this, no answers there in days, still 0 posts as of last night. I even tried #centos again. Again nobody even said hello to me in answer to my questions. I saw you there Dag :) you were AFK I guess... said hello to you. I think you like to complain A complaint and no URL as to the forum, so I and others cannot look at your cause for lament Surprise that knowledgable IRC chanops of an enterprise distribution are not sitting at the computer of a Friday night. No mention of your IRC nick, so one cannot tell. In checking the log, I see that two of the first rate chanop's WERE active until 2300 US EDT. You appeared at 0130 from a Roadrunner account in central Florida (US EDT), ending with: 02:15 ddreggors ok well since there was no answer for my sound issue I just went ahead and opened a Bug report. 02:15 ddreggors I have googled, checked the wiki and forums, and here as a last resort and no mention of the bug number there so people in channel could look in. I also think you want to play hide and seek, from what I see so far. -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: David Dreggors wrote: OK, I have a first draft of my Wiki page here: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Compaq/CQ60-206US Can I get some feedback on this page? It looks fine. For the nvidia I would prefer if we go to a packaged solution (we do have dkms-nvidia drivers which will have an update soon). But I hope we can integrate dkms-nvidia into elrepo as kmod-nvidia (and xorg-x11-drv-nvidia). Would love to add that as a solution, just was unaware of that rpm in the repos. I too also prefer a packaged solution, I do not like to compile anything. Madwifi, is a packaged driver as well but will not work for me as I need the latest madwifi snapshot. The madwifi package that comes with and in fact has to be removed does not work for my hadrware. Did you try ath5k or kmod-ath5k (comes from 2.6.18-144.el5) ? I have a page on the CentOS forums for this, no answers there in days, still 0 posts as of last night. The chances of anyone having the same laptop in the CentOS community coming across your post are rather slim. I even tried #centos again. Again nobody even said hello to me in answer to my questions. I saw you there Dag :) you were AFK I guess... said hello to you. I am almost never active on IRC. I think you have the wrong expectations from IRC anyway :) -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, 9 May 2009, R P Herrold wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, Dag Wieers wrote: No, you have to request that it is created for you and that you get access. This is another sore point in the process, I would prefer if the person granting access would automatically create the Homepage and grant the correct access. Dag, as you know this is a manual process; patches to automate the process to do a collection of setups (page to edit, and conditionally if not present a HomePage, in one pass) are welcome. I know it is a manual process, Russ. And if I had a patch I would not have send the mail in the first place. What I am saying is that instead of having the requestor _ask_ for the Homepage, it would be better if it was created implicitely by the person granting access the first time. So instead of putting the burden on the new contributor to request, put it as part of the default access-granting process. This ofcourse until we have an automated process... -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Update of Contribute by DagWieers
On Sat, 9 May 2009, R P Herrold wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, nore...@centos.org wrote: The following page has been changed by DagWieers: http://wiki.centos.org/Contribute?action=diffrev2=21rev1=20 - * We also encourage you to request and to maintain a personal homepage with your contact information -- some people also use such a page to keep a note of their edits. You may request that page be set up in your initial email. Having such a '''sandbox''' also gives you a place to experiment for testing content layout, editing commands, etc. + * We also encourage you to request and to maintain a personal homepage with your contact information. Some people also use their homepage to keep a note of their edits, or as a place to experiment for testing content layout, editing commands, etc. I mentioned a sandbox, as that is a wiki concept (as well as a development one). Any reason for dropping it? Because what you call a sandbox is a place to experiment for testing content layout. I don't see a reason to use the word sandbox there and the aim was to simplify the actions so it doesn't look too much of a burden. - * There will be a small delay while you wait for someone from the AdminGroup to create that page and give you editing rights. This can take up to three days if requested, say, after normal working hours (European) on a Friday. + * There will be a small delay while you wait for someone from the AdminGroup to create that page and give you editing rights. This can take up to three days if requested. This greatly changes the meaning, and as the issue I was addressing was the fact that the rotation of the globe caused a US author to become impatient, evicerates the prior last sentence. I have no idea what the revised second sentence is saying, as by definition a request was made. This was discussed with Karanbir and if there is an error against the English language, go and fix that. You don't need my approval, really. -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 05:39:06PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: Madwifi, is a packaged driver as well but will not work for me as I need the latest madwifi snapshot. The madwifi package that comes with and in fact has to be removed does not work for my hadrware. Yes, they decided to do it that way, I was never quite sure why. Fortunately, FreeBSD's Sam Leffler made those snapshots mentioned in the wiki article. Did you try ath5k or kmod-ath5k (comes from 2.6.18-144.el5) ? At this point, I'm still finding MadWifi to be more reliable for CentOS. As mentioned in our correspondence with Alan and company, I'm still getting the core dump on closing wpa_supplicant with that driver. On the other hand, that could just be my rather lowend laptop. There were a couple of other minor error messages I'd noted as well, which I haven't yet sent to Alan, as I've had very little time. (I am not sure this is a discussion for the document list, but as it does concern a wiki article on that card and a few laptops that use it, I'm just bringing it up.) I would suggest that you try the kmod though, and report back--whether good or bad. And Alan, I will try to get you these other (seemingly minor, as they didn't affect the card working) errors by tomorrow. I have a page on the CentOS forums for this, no answers there in days, still 0 posts as of last night. The chances of anyone having the same laptop in the CentOS community coming across your post are rather slim. One important thing when mentioning laptop hardware on any forum--(as a Fedora Forum Mod, I'm constantly telling people this and editing their thread titles) is that as laptop manufacturers are notorious for changing hardware without notice, it's always best to use a thread title like Wireless card model doesn't work, rather than something like laptop model wireless doesn't work. Especially on CentOS fora, where there are many overworked sysadmins, busy people will tend to simply not even look at a post like that (with the model). -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: The band, yeah. They're great. They march. Willow: Like an army. Except with music, instead of bullets, and usually no one dies. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, 9 May 2009, R P Herrold wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, David Dreggors wrote: Oh I have exhausted all those means. I even went into the alsa site looking for answers. I have seen many *similar* issues and have tried a few of the fixes (mostly modprobe.conf options). None have worked. I have a page on the CentOS forums for this, no answers there in days, still 0 posts as of last night. I even tried #centos again. Again nobody even said hello to me in answer to my questions. I saw you there Dag :) you were AFK I guess... said hello to you. I think you like to complain How many people tell the waiter that they were not satisfied with a meal ? How many people just don't return to a restaurant when they were not satisfied with a meal ? I prefer feedback, so we can improve. I don't like people not returning back with no feedback. And I certainly don't like a waiter who tells me I am wrong if I don't like the food. -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On 09/05/2009, Dag Wieers d...@centos.org wrote: How many people tell the waiter that they were not satisfied with a meal ? How many people just don't return to a restaurant when they were not satisfied with a meal ? I prefer feedback, so we can improve. I don't like people not returning back with no feedback. And I certainly don't like a waiter who tells me I am wrong if I don't like the food. A good analogy and appropriately said, Dag. :-) Alan. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Link to Chinese translation in Wiki frontpage
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 15:33 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Timothy Lee wrote: What about it ? Does it address the issue on hand ? or does it propose a different way of doing things completely, thereby eliminating the issue ? Yes, the code on that web page could be a solution to the issue on hand. According to its description, the code calculates and searches URLs that may contain translations for requested page, and lists any translation that do exist. True, but at server expense. But how much over head does it cause? That will be a problem as the wiki grows in size. Ralph and I were talking about this, and something of this nature would be good to have anyway, even if it does not address the issue we have at hand right now. It would be good to offer people a choice / change to get into language namespace from anywhere on the wiki! specially when they come in via external url's or search engine hits. True also, but is adding code to the wiki the answer every time something new is needed? Maybe Moin is not the right web app. What usually happens every time just about when you start patching and adding on to apps? I'm afraid I have never played with a MoinMoin server before, so I can't say out right which part of the code could be removed. I am willing to help cook up a working script, but I would need to setup a dummy installation first. That should not be a major issue, we have a couple of VM's that can be thrown together for this sort of a thing. If you want to go ahead and send me your ssh key, I can get the vm setup and get you access on there. - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Link to Chinese translation in Wiki frontpage
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 10:49 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: JohnS wrote: Ok that does not help? Then help me understand why it does not? Maybe I don't understand exactly what is wanted to be done on the language translation. ok, lets try this again. En User goes to http://wiki.c.o/Page and sees content with urls pointing at http://wiki.c.o/PageTitle De User goes to http://wiki.c.o/de/Page and sees content with urls on the page pointing to http://wiki.c.o/de/PageTitle - which is good. however, if one of those linked pages does not have a /de/ translation they are redirected to the En vers. eg: http://wiki.c.o/de/Page1 - click - http://wiki.c.o/de/Page2 : not available in /de/ redirected to http://wiki.c.o/Page2 ( which is in english ), however all urls now going to http://wiki.c.o/PageTitle, its completely lost the /de/ portion. And that is the issue, since there might and could be pages beyond that one Page2 that have been translated to the users language ( /de/ ) and those pages ( actually, imho, all urlspace ) should be within the host/de/PageTitle scope. - KB --- Karan thanks for the explaining. JohnStanley ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Link to Chinese translation in Wiki frontpage
JohnS wrote: True also, but is adding code to the wiki the answer every time something new is needed? Maybe Moin is not the right web app. What usually happens every time just about when you start patching and adding on to apps? Any suggestions from you, then? Which app can be the right app (being able to move content without hassle is a must)? Ralph pgp1RjPKldQ2Z.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
Dag Wieers wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, R P Herrold wrote: I think you like to complain I for one find that type of attitude offensive and not an appropriate way to talk to contributors on this list, not to mention damaging to the wider project. If you don't understand why, then Dag does a rather good job of explaining it below. How many people tell the waiter that they were not satisfied with a meal ? How many people just don't return to a restaurant when they were not satisfied with a meal ? I prefer feedback, so we can improve. I don't like people not returning back with no feedback. And I certainly don't like a waiter who tells me I am wrong if I don't like the food. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 18:32 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, R P Herrold wrote: I think you like to complain I for one find that type of attitude offensive and not an appropriate way to talk to contributors on this list, not to mention damaging to the wider project. If you don't understand why, then Dag does a rather good job of explaining it below. How many people tell the waiter that they were not satisfied with a meal ? How many people just don't return to a restaurant when they were not satisfied with a meal ? I prefer feedback, so we can improve. I don't like people not returning back with no feedback. And I certainly don't like a waiter who tells me I am wrong if I don't like the food. +1 Steve ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Link to Chinese translation in Wiki frontpage
Good Evening, True also, but is adding code to the wiki the answer every time something new is needed? Maybe Moin is not the right web app. What usually happens every time just about when you start patching and adding on to apps? Any suggestions from you, then? Which app can be the right app (being able to move content without hassle is a must)? Ralph --- Actually I have thought about it since Karan explained the exact problems and still thinking. Let me think a day or so on it. The Huge problem is wiki marked up text file content. Content in web apps is all ways a problem in migrating to a new content managment system. So that is expected of. Thankfully so far there is not that much of it yet. Around 150MB? As per the wiki page says. The wiki marked up text files are not a big deal in my opinion. The biggest problem is an app that will suffice every thing needed which in no way will ever happen. Every system has it's advantages and disadvantages, especially when it comes to i18n. Here are a few suggestions to handle the language specific wiki content: - We could add something like a language chooser to every site, (as on openSUSE's mediawiki, e.g). - The 'auto-fallback to English' could be replaced with a 'manual fallback link with an advice' and perhaps a 'back' button. This would force the user to stay in their language context. Also we should make sure that translations are maintained continuously. This would solve most of our problems. I would suggest to set up $LANG teams who work on the l10n. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
And I certainly don't like a waiter who tells me I am wrong if I don't like the food. Thank you Dag. I am easy to work with usually. If you want something from me, or I forgot a piece of info to help you... ask me. There is no reason to insult someone or be rude to them if they have problems and are asking for help, even if they ask the wrong way! Look back in those same logs you pulled up and notice I happily answered other's question in that channel. Look for the date issue answered by me and the yum issue also answered by me. Look at other days and you will see that I answer others as well. Not once was I rude and not once did I call these people complainers. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On 05/09/2009 09:19 PM, David Dreggors wrote: Madwifi, is a packaged driver as well but will not work for me as I need the latest madwifi snapshot. The madwifi package that comes with and in fact has to be removed does not work for my hadrware. Did you try ath5k or kmod-ath5k (comes from 2.6.18-144.el5) ? The install comes with madwifi right out of the box I believe. The CentOS 5.3 installer uses the right driver but it does not seem to work. So I then download and compile the latest snapshot (madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r4016-20090429.tar.gz). As to kmod-ath5k I had never heard of this module and in fact even after latest updates my kernel is 2.6.18-128.1.10.el5. So that would be a no , sorry. Since 2.6.18-128 (centos 5.3) ath5k is included in the kernel as a regular module. it has been backported. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
I would suggest that you try the kmod though, and report back--whether good or bad. And Alan, I will try to get you these other (seemingly minor, as they didn't affect the card working) errors by tomorrow. I will try if I have to do another re-install. Right now I am stable (minus sound issues) and pretty much happy with my setup. I have a page on the CentOS forums for this, no answers there in days, still 0 posts as of last night. The chances of anyone having the same laptop in the CentOS community coming across your post are rather slim. Normally I would agree, but these guys are being sold for $399 at Bestbuy and I know many people in my company are going to buy or have bought one already. We all use CentOS as that keeps us familiar with what our servers run :) Also, when a someone is looking for the right laptop to use with CentOS, they look at places like the wiki's laptop howto for user experiences. I know I did. If this laptop is there and known to work and the price is so low... why would one NOT run out and buy this exact model? One important thing when mentioning laptop hardware on any forum--(as a Fedora Forum Mod, I'm constantly telling people this and editing their thread titles) is that as laptop manufacturers are notorious for changing hardware without notice, it's always best to use a thread title like Wireless card model doesn't work, rather than something like laptop model wireless doesn't work. Especially on CentOS fora, where there are many overworked sysadmins, busy people will tend to simply not even look at a post like that (with the model). Yes, I find myself asking the same question many different ways to get answers on laptop hardware. In this case maybe I went the wrong way. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
Since 2.6.18-128 (centos 5.3) ath5k is included in the kernel as a regular module. it has been backported. Yes, and this is the one I have to blacklist as it does not work and interferes with new madwifi. I have never tried the kmod-ath5k and in fact, yum does not even see it when I do a yum search ath5k or yum search kmod_ath5k. I assume that this is due to the fact that it is IN the kernel and not an external module? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:55 AM, David Dreggors ddregg...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Since 2.6.18-128 (centos 5.3) ath5k is included in the kernel as a regular module. it has been backported. Yes, and this is the one I have to blacklist as it does not work and interferes with new madwifi. I have never tried the kmod-ath5k and in fact, yum does not even see it when I do a yum search ath5k or yum search kmod_ath5k. I assume that this is due to the fact that it is IN the kernel and not an external module? It's still in the ElRepo ( http://elrepo.org ) testing section. You can install it by: yum --enablerepo=elrepo-testing kmod-ath5k I believe you have already set up the elrepo repository. For people that have not, it can be downloaded from: http://elrepo.org/linux/testing/el5/ Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On 05/09/2009 09:55 PM, David Dreggors wrote: Since 2.6.18-128 (centos 5.3) ath5k is included in the kernel as a regular module. it has been backported. Yes, and this is the one I have to blacklist as it does not work and interferes with new madwifi. if it's not too much for ask (and you have not done that already...) please file a bug on RH's bugzilla (against the kernel component) and one in our bugzilla. Link the two bugs together via the tracking fields which each bugzilla provides (on RH's it is listed under External Bugs - Location Centos, on ours I think that the info can be provided only in the Additional information field). thank you I have never tried the kmod-ath5k and in fact, yum does not even see it when I do a yum search ath5k this is IN the kernel and appears at yum whatprovides */ath5k . or yum search kmod_ath5k. I assume that I have not been able to quickly locate this beast. No idea which repo might provide it. It does not seem to exist in elrepo, rpmfusion or rpmforge (unless I have not noticed it). ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: It's still in the ElRepo ( http://elrepo.org ) testing section. You can install it by: yum --enablerepo=elrepo-testing kmod-ath5k Obviously, I missed the most important word install. :D Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 02:19:38PM -0400, David Dreggors wrote: Madwifi, is a packaged driver as well but will not work for me as I need the latest madwifi snapshot. The madwifi package that comes with and in fact has to be removed does not work for my hadrware. Did you try ath5k or kmod-ath5k (comes from 2.6.18-144.el5) ? The install comes with madwifi right out of the box I believe. The CentOS 5.3 installer uses the right driver but it does not seem to work. So I then download and compile the latest snapshot (madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r4016-20090429.tar.gz). I repeat---the normal MadWifi does NOT work with the AR5007, aka AR242x card. There was some discussion somewhere--you can try MadWifi ticket 1192, I think that's the one--I believe the ticket is mentioned in the wiki article. At least one of the other distros, Fedora, had a 3rd party rpm--I've forgotten if it was Livna or rpmfusion, that did include a MadWifi rpm that did work with the card. However, a standard MadWifi rpm, that is, one based on whatever they were shipping, wouldn't have worked with that card. As to kmod-ath5k I had never heard of this module and in fact even after latest updates my kernel is 2.6.18-128.1.10.el5. So that would be a no , sorry. It's not widely mentioned yet. There is an elrepo repo---they ought to fix that name ducks, as elrepo.repo seems awkward, but at any rate...it's mentioned on the wiki in the 3rd party repos section. It's relatively new, and this driver was just made last week or so, (the makers can correct me on that, as I'm too lazy to look at the emails from them) :), so it's not too surprising that you hadn't heard of it. As I mentioned, *I've* had some minor issues with it, but I think Dag and someone else have used it without problems. Sigh, someone should put mention of how to try it on the AR5007 wiki page. Basically, in a nutshell, unload the ath_pci module, then you cd into the MadWifi snapshot untarred directory, which you have hopefully kept. Type make uninstall, unblacklist ath5k in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and reboot. At this point, the card, which had been ath0 will now be seen as wlan0. The issue that I've had is that when shutting down wpa_supplicant (either manually or on system shutdown) it throws a kernel panic, making it necessary to manually shut off the machine with the power button. I haven't researched it very deeply though and it's quite possible that it only does that on my lowend laptop. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Spike: Where have you been pet? Drusilla: I went for a walk. I met an old man. I didn't like him, he got stuck in my teeth. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 09:41:26PM +0300, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: On 05/09/2009 09:19 PM, David Dreggors wrote: Since 2.6.18-128 (centos 5.3) ath5k is included in the kernel as a regular module. it has been backported. The included one doesn't work with that card though. Hold on let me double check that I'm telling the truth. :) (I only have a 64 bit system to test, my 32 bit machine has been confiscated by my wife). kernel 2.6.18-128.1.6.el5.centos.plus Remove Alan's kmod. (Sorry Alan.) Reboot. lsmod |grep ath ath5k is listed ifconfig wlan0 error fetching interface information: Device not found. Nope, I was right, at least in 64 bit. Pretty sure that's the case for 32 bit as well. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Miss Calendar: Okay, so this Master guy tried to open the Hellmouth, but he got stuck in it. And now, all the signs are reading that he's going to get out, which opens the Hellmouth, which brings the demons which ends the world. Giles: Yes. That about sums it up, yes. Miss Calendar: The part that gets me, though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer. She's so little. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
I repeat---the normal MadWifi does NOT work with the AR5007, aka AR242x card. There was some discussion somewhere--you can try MadWifi ticket 1192, I think that's the one--I believe the ticket is mentioned in the wiki article. I know that, I was clarifying that I use the latest snapshot of madwifi which is working amazingly well. The wiki page that you speak of is where I got the info to compile and install the latest madwifi snapshot. The ticket you mention takes me to a 404 not found. Point is that I understand all this quite well. At least one of the other distros, Fedora, had a 3rd party rpm--I've forgotten if it was Livna or rpmfusion, that did include a MadWifi rpm that did work with the card. However, a standard MadWifi rpm, that is, one based on whatever they were shipping, wouldn't have worked with that card. Now that 3rd party RPM would be nice to have. Despite being 3rd party and not of the base repo. It is better than compiling someone that is not a code hacker :) It's not widely mentioned yet. There is an elrepo repo---they ought to fix that name ducks, as elrepo.repo seems awkward, but at any rate...it's mentioned on the wiki in the 3rd party repos section. It's relatively new, and this driver was just made last week or so, (the makers can correct me on that, as I'm too lazy to look at the emails from them) :), so it's not too surprising that you hadn't heard of it. As I mentioned, *I've* had some minor issues with it, but I think Dag and someone else have used it without problems. That sounds promising, as I said I will try it next time I re-install. If I do re-install 5.3. Hoping not to have to until a later version :) Sigh, someone should put mention of how to try it on the AR5007 wiki page. Basically, in a nutshell, unload the ath_pci module, then you cd into the MadWifi snapshot untarred directory, which you have hopefully kept. Type make uninstall, unblacklist ath5k in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and reboot. At this point, the card, which had been ath0 will now be seen as wlan0. Assuming you are referring to the kmod_ath5k here as the stock ath5k does not work with my card. I would definiately update the wiki if or when I try the kmod_ath5k driver. I just have had no experience using it and I am stable now. I am not going to a possibly unstable state for testing purposes at the moment as I need my laptop for work. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 12:53:23PM -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: ゆるしてさひあげます, 優しいから s/ひ/し/ ARGH--romaji typo, hi instead of shi 許してください -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Anyanka: You trusting fool. How do you know the other world is any better than this? Giles: Because it has to be. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 03:54:21PM -0400, David Dreggors wrote: I know that, I was clarifying that I use the latest snapshot of madwifi which is working amazingly well. The wiki page that you speak of is where I got the info to compile and install the latest madwifi snapshot. The ticket you mention takes me to a 404 not found. Hrrm, I could have sworn that I fixed that link. For some reason, they moved from madwifi.org to madwifi-project.org. Ah, I see, I fixed the link to the snapshots but overlooked the one to the ticket. It's now fixed, and many thanks for calling that to my attention. Assuming you are referring to the kmod_ath5k here as the stock ath5k does not work with my card. No, I'm referring to the elrepo-testing version. As mentioned by both of us, the stock one doesn't work with the card. I would definiately update the wiki if or when I try the kmod_ath5k driver. I just have had no experience using it and I am stable now. I am not going to a possibly unstable state for testing purposes at the moment as I need my laptop for work. I really should, but for one thing, Dag and others are having different experiences with the card and the MadWifi version, as it stands at present, works, whereas the elrepo version does, at least for me (but not Dag and others, AFAIK), cause problems on shutdown (or stopping the wpa_supplicant service.) Thanks for all your input, and of course, it's nice to hear that wiki article helped someone. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Giles: You never train with me anymore. He's gonna kick your ass. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
Thanks for all your input, and of course, it's nice to hear that wiki article helped someone. Was happy to give some input, but I am more happy that you had this solution on the wiki :) Answers like this are a godsend to people when they need it. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 05:12:59PM -0400, David Dreggors wrote: Thanks for all your input, and of course, it's nice to hear that wiki article helped someone. Was happy to give some input, but I am more happy that you had this solution on the wiki :) Answers like this are a godsend to people when they need it. Well, thank you. (Tries to look modest.) :) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: I'm not worried. If there's something bad out there, we'll find, you'll slay, we'll party. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
Dag, this seems confusing to me... No, the kmod-ath5k works, but does have a problem when the interface is brought down. In this first sentence you say the kmod-ath5k does have a problem when the interface is brought down. This is not a problem with the kmod-ath5k, it happens with the ath5k from 2.6.18-141 and 2.6.18-144 as well (which is a backport of the Fedora 10 ath5k module which I presume works fine in F10). In this next sentence however says that it (kmod-ath5k) is not where this issue is but rather it is in the ath5k backport for 2.6.18-141/2.6.18-144. I am lost does this happen on the kmod-ath5k or not? Can you help clear this up? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Page
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 01:46:04AM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009, Scott Robbins wrote: I really should, but for one thing, Dag and others are having different experiences with the card and the MadWifi version, as it stands at present, works, whereas the elrepo version does, at least for me (but not Dag and others, AFAIK), cause problems on shutdown (or stopping the wpa_supplicant service.) No, the kmod-ath5k works, but does have a problem when the interface is brought down. Both Dirk as well as I have this problem. It happens when you shut down the system, or hibernate. This is not a problem with the kmod-ath5k, it happens with the ath5k from 2.6.18-141 and 2.6.18-144 as well (which is a backport of the Fedora 10 ath5k module which I presume works fine in F10). Yes, it works fine with F10. I haven't run wpa_supplicant with the kernel's ath5k becausek with that ath5k, it can't find the wireless card https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=49 Hrrm, bugzilla seems down at the moment. Maybe it's a bug. :) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: Besides, it's kind of my job. Spike: For now. Buffy: What, you want me to stop working? Spike: Well, let's see - do I want you to give up killing my friends? Yeah, I've given it some thought. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
