Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote: The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would prefer that route over dkms at any time. For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel) --- Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. JohnStanley ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
JohnS wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote: The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would prefer that route over dkms at any time. For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel) --- Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. JohnStanley That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
Ned Slider wrote on 09/16/2009 06:12 AM: ... That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. I'd say build it and they will come to your repo of dreams. :-) Have definitely seen cases of people with problems getting older nVidia cards to work, and a growth area for Linux in general is people with hardware left behind by Redmond performance demands. As far as the Wiki page, more detail in the guide to choosing a driver version and finding a package for the correct driver for your hardware would be worth bonus points - seems to be another area of frequent problems. Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 07:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: Ned Slider wrote on 09/16/2009 06:12 AM: ... That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. I'd say build it and they will come to your repo of dreams. :-) Have definitely seen cases of people with problems getting older nVidia cards to work, and a growth area for Linux in general is people with hardware left behind by Redmond performance demands. As far as the Wiki page, more detail in the guide to choosing a driver version and finding a package for the correct driver for your hardware would be worth bonus points - seems to be another area of frequent problems. Phil In the doc we have been toying with the finding the correct driver is in there. -- LostSon http://lostsonsvault.org CentOS - It's not just for servers ya know... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
lostson wrote on 09/16/2009 08:23 AM: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 07:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: ... In the doc we have been toying with the finding the correct driver is in there. Yes, I see it in the draft - just suggesting ideas to beef it up. Phil P.S. [soapbox]Trimming quotes to the minimum required for context is a good (if not common) habit to form.[/soapbox] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:39:23AM -0400, JohnS wrote: Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. For what it is worth, I'll take the lazy man's way out and just send it here. GeForce 8500 GT. As mentioned, a non-standard kernel, the VServer kernel 2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34.1 (64 bit system, if that is useful.) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: Do---do you think I chose to be like this? Do you have any idea how lonely it is, how dangerous? I would love to be upstairs watching TV or gossiping about boys or... God, even studying! But I have to save the world. Again. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Martin Boel, Silverbullet b...@silverbullet.dk wrote: Hi username: MartinBoel Please grant me access. Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 15:19 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Martin Boel, Silverbullet b...@silverbullet.dk wrote: Hi username: MartinBoel Please grant me access. Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. Chris financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Christoph Maser wrote: Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. The point of the article was exactly that. I'll have to disagree here, since the point of the guide is how to install and configure Nagios for basic use. I personally don't care if you edit it to your likes, but many people find it useful as it is, because Nagios can be quite complicated to use. Feel free to edit the article, however, if you remove too much, please delete my name from the top of the article, though. I know the article is a bit out of date, but the basic principals of Nagios still function the same. I've not had time the last year to go through and re-write it to newer versions of Nagios. Probably all of my docs could use touch-ups, but some personal issues this past year has prevented me from doing so. Again, feel free to change, add, delete irrelevant parts, etc. That's the point of the wiki, for others to add and change things. :) Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Maser c...@financial.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 15:19 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Martin Boel, Silverbullet b...@silverbullet.dk wrote: Hi username: MartinBoel Please grant me access. Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. Chris financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. Just a thought. Matt -- Mathew S. McCarrell Clarkson University '10 mccar...@gmail.com mccar...@clarkson.edu 1-518-314-9214 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Mathew S. McCarrell wrote: It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. This article does use the RPMForge installation packages. Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. Just a thought. Matt This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Christoph Maser c...@financial.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. Just a thought. Matt This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! Yes, that is the one. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On 09/16/2009 06:44 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: I've not read your guide, but perhaps both could be united to make one that's current and suitable for everyone's needs. Just a thought too. :) How about splitting it up into 'Install Guide' and a 'Recommended first steps'. Having used Nagios ( or does Nagios use us ? ) I know there are a million different ways to set things up. And only a few people really need to get down and understand eveyrthing about every option. so how about just creating a 'recommended start point' and have a few config snippets. That would then open up for a third page option, which can be focused around 'best practises' that might be CentOS specific. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 20:05 +0200 schrieb Karanbir Singh: On 09/16/2009 06:44 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: I've not read your guide, but perhaps both could be united to make one that's current and suitable for everyone's needs. Just a thought too. :) How about splitting it up into 'Install Guide' and a 'Recommended first steps'. +1 As i already proposed... financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Karanbir Singh wrote: How about splitting it up into 'Install Guide' and a 'Recommended first steps'. Having used Nagios ( or does Nagios use us ? ) I know there are a million different ways to set things up. And only a few people really need to get down and understand eveyrthing about every option. so how about just creating a 'recommended start point' and have a few config snippets. That would then open up for a third page option, which can be focused around 'best practises' that might be CentOS specific. I think Nagios uses us. Agreed. I've been using Nagios for a long time, and I still don't have all the options down, as I don't need to use them all. When I need something, I go to the docs and look up more specific things. In my experience with working with Nagios, the problem that always came up was that people didn't know where to even start because there were too many options, and they were overwhelmed. Thus the reason I wrote the guide in the first place, to serve as a stepping stone to get it up and running with some basic checks, then go digging in the docs. I feel it's important to have that information on the wiki, even though it's not CentOS specific. It's asked for a lot and used. Splitting it up would make sense. +1 Sounds good to me. Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 06:50:41PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. I must respectfully disagree. Nagios documentation is not well laid out. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: And they say that young people don't learn anything in high school nowadays, but I've learned to be afraid. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:27:42PM -0400, Max Hetrick wrote: Christoph Maser wrote: Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. The point of the article was exactly that. I'll have to disagree here, since the point of the guide is how to install and configure Nagios for basic use. I personally don't care if you edit it to your likes, but many people find it useful as it is, because Nagios can be quite complicated to use. Just as an example, when we first decided to try to institute nagios, I was going through the docs for two days, trying to make sense of them. Then I found Max's article (actually his original, on his site). If you *are* going to edit it, I truly hope you aren't going to make it more like the docs on the nagios site. Feel free to edit the article, however, if you remove too much, please delete my name from the top of the article, though. Y'know, it's impossible to look at the nagios docs objectively now because (thanks to Max, and no, he's not paying me) :) I know it too well. However, I vividly remmeber the first time I looked at their pages and thought, How am I going to figure this out. Max did it right. They did it wrong. I don't consider myself stupid, nor a computer novice, but I'm someone who had no experience of Nagios--additionally, I'm more used to BSD documentation, which seems to be higher quality. Just my opinion, but... -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: Are you ready to get down, you funky party weasel? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! You're serious? That's typical Linux documentation, basically useless. Sigh, yet another blow for MS's TOC argument. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Wicca girl: We come together, daughters of Gaia, sisters to the moon. We walk with the darkness, the wolf at our side. Through the waterfall of power, to the blackest heart of eternity. I think we should have a bake sale. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Scott Robbins wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! You're serious? That's typical Linux documentation, basically useless. Sigh, yet another blow for MS's TOC argument. Heh. Maybe some effort in the nagios documentation would be better than Centos having to er work around their documentation? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
