Re: [CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 22/03/16 10:02, François Cami wrote:
> With that said, provided we find a way to mention how to mention that
> unambiguously, I'm ok with it.

the way to do this is to self host the content, with relevant
disclaimers and an effecient/functional process to edit and remove
content not relevant.


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Re: [CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 22/03/16 07:30, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was having a look at that page, and was wondering what we can do for
> point #3 (Manuals and other documentation)
> As we have no real content for CentOS 6 and 7 , my idea was just to
> explain in one line that (while technically not the CentOS
> documentation) , almost all the points coming from uptream documentation
> ( - except for subscription manager - ) can be applied to CentOS and so
> having link from that section to https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/
> 
> Ideas, thoughts, comments ?
> 

-1 from me, CentOS scope isnt the same as RHEL ones.

if we cant get the docs and host / adapt to taste, I am ok for us to
move the existing docs into an archive/ area, but retain it on the site,
along with the relevant content redirection as needed, and just drop
having current release docs.

if none is willing to do the work to make centos docs possible, clearly
the community has rejected having these docs in the first place.

regards


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Re: [CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread François Cami
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Fabian Arrotin  wrote:
> On 22/03/16 10:21, François Cami wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Manuel Wolfshant
>>  wrote:
>>> On 03/22/2016 09:30 AM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:

 Hi,

 I was having a look at that page, and was wondering what we can do for
 point #3 (Manuals and other documentation)
 As we have no real content for CentOS 6 and 7 , my idea was just to
 explain in one line that (while technically not the CentOS
 documentation) , almost all the points coming from uptream documentation
 ( - except for subscription manager - ) can be applied to CentOS and so
 having link from that section to
 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/

 Ideas, thoughts, comments ?

>>> +1 for that. it's long overdue.
>>
>> -1 from me, because access.redhat.com documentation contains support
>> statements which are irrelevant to the CentOS project. I'd very much
>> like to avoid generating (more) confusion in potential users.
>
> Yes, but I was mentioning documentation about how to
> deploy/configure/maintain it, but you have a point : so the note would
> need to mention that everything regarding support channels and
> subscriptions should be considered "not applicable" to CentOS
> It's true that it can confuse potential users, but not having
> documentation at all doesn't help, and from what I see in #centos or
> forums, people are already pointed to the only existing doc, aka the
> upstream ones

My concern is not with users technically savvy enough to connect to
Freenode channels, because these sort-of know the difference between
community projects and enterprise, supported products.

With that said, provided we find a way to mention how to mention that
unambiguously, I'm ok with it.

François
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Re: [CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread Fabian Arrotin
On 22/03/16 10:21, François Cami wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Manuel Wolfshant
>  wrote:
>> On 03/22/2016 09:30 AM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was having a look at that page, and was wondering what we can do for
>>> point #3 (Manuals and other documentation)
>>> As we have no real content for CentOS 6 and 7 , my idea was just to
>>> explain in one line that (while technically not the CentOS
>>> documentation) , almost all the points coming from uptream documentation
>>> ( - except for subscription manager - ) can be applied to CentOS and so
>>> having link from that section to
>>> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/
>>>
>>> Ideas, thoughts, comments ?
>>>
>> +1 for that. it's long overdue.
> 
> -1 from me, because access.redhat.com documentation contains support
> statements which are irrelevant to the CentOS project. I'd very much
> like to avoid generating (more) confusion in potential users.
> 
> François

Yes, but I was mentioning documentation about how to
deploy/configure/maintain it, but you have a point : so the note would
need to mention that everything regarding support channels and
subscriptions should be considered "not applicable" to CentOS
It's true that it can confuse potential users, but not having
documentation at all doesn't help, and from what I see in #centos or
forums, people are already pointed to the only existing doc, aka the
upstream ones

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Re: [CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread François Cami
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Manuel Wolfshant
 wrote:
> On 03/22/2016 09:30 AM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was having a look at that page, and was wondering what we can do for
>> point #3 (Manuals and other documentation)
>> As we have no real content for CentOS 6 and 7 , my idea was just to
>> explain in one line that (while technically not the CentOS
>> documentation) , almost all the points coming from uptream documentation
>> ( - except for subscription manager - ) can be applied to CentOS and so
>> having link from that section to
>> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/
>>
>> Ideas, thoughts, comments ?
>>
> +1 for that. it's long overdue.

-1 from me, because access.redhat.com documentation contains support
statements which are irrelevant to the CentOS project. I'd very much
like to avoid generating (more) confusion in potential users.

François
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Re: [CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread Manuel Wolfshant

On 03/22/2016 09:30 AM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:

Hi,

I was having a look at that page, and was wondering what we can do for
point #3 (Manuals and other documentation)
As we have no real content for CentOS 6 and 7 , my idea was just to
explain in one line that (while technically not the CentOS
documentation) , almost all the points coming from uptream documentation
( - except for subscription manager - ) can be applied to CentOS and so
having link from that section to https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/

Ideas, thoughts, comments ?


+1 for that. it's long overdue.
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[CentOS-docs] status of https://wiki.centos.org/Documentation

2016-03-22 Thread Fabian Arrotin
Hi,

I was having a look at that page, and was wondering what we can do for
point #3 (Manuals and other documentation)
As we have no real content for CentOS 6 and 7 , my idea was just to
explain in one line that (while technically not the CentOS
documentation) , almost all the points coming from uptream documentation
( - except for subscription manager - ) can be applied to CentOS and so
having link from that section to https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/

Ideas, thoughts, comments ?

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