Re: [CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Sean Gilligan wrote: > >> I've created an outline for the article and labeled it as DRAFT, but >> probably won't have time to do any more work till this weekend. > Are you still with us? > Yeah, I'm still here. I've just gotten real busy. I have some really basic notes from my first OpenJDK install that I could put into the doc quickly, but I wanted to do another full install to verify and add detail. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > >> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Java/OpenJDKOnCentOS >> > > Go wild. > There are different sorts of wild animals in the world. I may be more of a turtle than a hare on this one -- I'm going to re-install CentOS and redo the install from scratch with my notes from last time. I also posted on the general mailing list to see if anyone has any experience they want to share. I've created an outline for the article and labeled it as DRAFT, but probably won't have time to do any more work till this weekend. I'm glad you didn't make any of the other changes yet. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Sean Gilligan wrote: > >> the Java section or sub-tree should start with >> two articles to keep it simple and not create too much work (for me). >> >> > > Do you have a suggestion for page URLs? > For the new article: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Java/OpenJDKOnCentOS The existing article should move (with a redirect) to: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Java/OtherJDKOnCentOS Of course, these are just suggestions. Alternatives to "Other" are "Commercial", "NonOpen", "SunIBM", and "3rdParty". I suppose we could also add a "Pre53" into the URL if we really want to emphasize that this is for past versions of CentOS. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
R P Herrold wrote: > > Sean, I think you are on the right track; I would refactor > the java articles into a couple of them in a sub-tree, with > a chooser at the head, probably forming on pre/post 5.3, and > on Method A and Method B, to better handle sub issues, and aid > maintenance. > Thanks, Russ. I think the Java section or sub-tree should start with two articles to keep it simple and not create too much work (for me). It will be an incremental improvement and we can always split things in to more articles later. > The 'political' background on Java and the absence of a Four > Freedoms freely availabile test suite > ... snip ... > This opposition does not mean I oppose Java and its use; it is > just not FOSS. This would be a reason for some to continue using the GCJ VM. Thanks for the information. This should (continue to) be addressed in the Wiki as it might direct different users to different HowTo's. Perhaps someone will write a GCJ or pure-FOSS Java HowTo that could be added to the section. > I am pleased to see that the java application I > use (also using the AWT) 'just works' under 5.3 with the > addition of some fonts; when I have time I'll narrow down just > what I need in a minimal install. > I look forward to seeing that. --- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
Phil Schaffner wrote: > > I have > built/rebuilt-from-SRPM a lot of Java packages over the years using the > HowTo or variations on that theme, so I'm chiming in anyway. > And I'm assuming that you're hoping those days are behind you? Also, am I correct in assuming that almost nobody uses the Java VM from GCJ? > >> Russ Herrold added the "special note" on OpenJDK, hopefully he will >> chime in. >> >> Sorry, again for the long-winded proposal. To make a real quick summary >> of what I'm suggesting: >> >> 1) Move the current HowTo to a new Java Section >> 2) Create a new NowTo for OpenJDK on CentOS 5.3 and later >> > > Makes sense to me, but the older 5.x stuff should be moved out of the > main article to a footnote, or better yet to a "Legacy" [sub]page to > avoid confusion - if it is to be kept at all. Yes, that's why I'm advocating a Java section and (initially) two HowTo's. One for the older "legacy" approach, and one for the new OpenJDK approach. > > +1 with the caveat that plugins are not provided by the upstream > packages. Sounds like a CentOSplus candidate, or we are forced to point > people to 3rd party repos for browser plugins that IMHO really ought to > be part of the core. > > http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3574 > Thanks for the information. The OpenJDK HowTo should have a section that addresses browser plugin issues. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Sean Gilligan wrote: > >> In "Wiki Access Request for Java How To's" I mentioned that I wanted to >> create a Java HowTo section on the wiki. I'd like to provide a more >> detailed proposal for adding more Java documentation. >> Proposed Changes >> >> Sorry for the lengthy background info, but I think it helps explain what >> I want to do. >> > > Maybe someone with a bit better java background than I have would like to > chime in? Russ Herrold added the "special note" on OpenJDK, hopefully he will chime in. Sorry, again for the long-winded proposal. To make a real quick summary of what I'm suggesting: 1) Move the current HowTo to a new Java Section 2) Create a new NowTo for OpenJDK on CentOS 5.3 and later The current HowTo describes various methods of installing Sun or IBM's commercial Java. OpenJDK makes CentOS 5.3 the first version of CentOS to have a built-in Java that is fully compatible with Sun's latest Java. This is a significant change from earlier releases and for most 5.3 users makes the previous HowTo obsolete. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] NOSPAM on personal home pages not working as expected
Sean Gilligan wrote: > I just setup a personal home page and the template had a section that > I edited to look like this: > [[MailTo(sean AT SPAMFREE msgilligan DOT com)]] > > I assumed it would use JavaScript to protect my e-mail address, but > when I view source on the page it's right there: > > Email: href="mailto:n...@address.com";>n...@address.com Oops, sorry -- I see that logged-in users (like me) can see the addresses directly, but non-logged in users can't. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] NOSPAM on personal home pages not working as expected
I just setup a personal home page and the template had a section that I edited to look like this: [[MailTo(sean AT SPAMFREE msgilligan DOT com)]] I assumed it would use JavaScript to protect my e-mail address, but when I view source on the page it's right there: Email: mailto:n...@address.com";>n...@address.com Not a big issue, as I have a pretty good filter, but I thought I'd let the admins know. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Request for Personal Home Page
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Sean Gilligan wrote: > >> I see that I'm supposed to >> setup a Personal Homepage, but I'm not allowed to edit that page. >> > > Now you are. > Thanks! I set up something pretty minimal: http://wiki.centos.org/SeanGilligan - should do for now... -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] Request for Personal Home Page
Hi Ralph, In reviewing the wiki editing guidelines, I see that I'm supposed to setup a Personal Homepage, but I'm not allowed to edit that page. Thanks, Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] Proposal: Java HowTo Section
In "Wiki Access Request for Java How To's" I mentioned that I wanted to
create a Java HowTo section on the wiki. I'd like to provide a more
detailed proposal for adding more Java documentation.
Summary of Current Java HowTo
---
Currently there is a single Java How To in the "Misc" section, called
"HowTos/JavaOnCentOS". Since I am new to CentOS the first thing I did
was look in the Table of Contents for HowTos and didn't see "Java"
listed. Fortunately, I searched the page for "Java" and found the
article. For this reason, and more because I hope that there will soon
be multiple Java HowTos, I think creating a Java section is a good idea.
The current HowTo is titled "HowTo Install Java on CentOS 4 and CentOS
5" and its focus is on installing closed source Java Development Kit
(JDK) versions from Sun and IBM on CentOS 4.x and 5.x with instructions
that were tested on 4.7 and 5.2. Section 2, called "Method One: A
simple approach" links to an external page that details downloading the
RPM version of the Sun JDK and installing it.Section 3, called
"Method Two: a less simple approach" begins with the warning "The
following wiki section section needs a maintainer, as it is not actively
maintained as of 11 Oct 2007. JDK 1.6 section updated and verified by
MikaelFridh 11 Jul 2008."Section 3.1, recommends the same approach
as in Section 2 for desktop users, only developer and server systems
should follow the steps in the rest of the section. The rest of section
3 explains how to download various non-RPM versions of Java from Sun and
IBM, use jpackage-utils to build RPMs and then install them on your system.
Section 1, "Preliminary material" talks about licensing issues with Java
that existed prior to OpenJDK. It then has a "SPECIAL NOTE" that CentOS
5.3 and alter have OpenJDK and talks briefly about how to install OpenJDK.
There is no discussion (that I know of) talking about the GCJ version of
Java. I assume that is because almost nobody uses it...
My Experience, Priorities and Motivations
--
I've been doing server-side Java development and deployment on Linux
since 2001, initially on Red Hat and then on Fedora. My approach has
been the following:
1. Install Fedora Linux
2. Install Sun JDK RPM ("Method One: A simple approach" in current HowTo)
3. Install my custom Tomcat RPM (currently using Tomcat 6)
4. Install WARs into Tomcat
I am now experimenting with (and hoping to convert completely) to the
following approach:
1. Install CentOS 5.3+
2. Install OpenJDK
3. Install CentOS-bundled tomcat5 and supporting RPMS
4. Install WARs into Tomcat
I am hoping this new approach works well enough for me to convert
entirely to the new tool-chain, and am interested in improving both the
software and the documentation on CentOS. I don't have unlimited time
to devote to this, and I may have to rethink steps #2 or #3 in the
tool-chain if I run into intractable problems. I suppose it's possible
I might end up updating and possibly contributing my Tomcat 6 RPM if I
find problems with the tomcat5 RPM in CentOS. Preliminary tests have
found no problems.
I'm also interested in using and contributing to the Java development
tool-chain on CentOS, but that will have to wait as I don't want to get
spread any thinner.
The Community's Priorities
---
Since I'm new to the CentOS community, I don't really know what people's
priorities are. I suspect, though, that they're not too different from
mine. If the current documentation is any indication, I see the same
movement from installing the closed-source JDKs to using OpenJDK on
CentOS 5.3 and later. It's sad in many ways that it took Sun so long to
get a good Java included in Linux distributions, but I'm pretty sure
that most people these days are going to want to focus their efforts
around OpenJDK.
I'd love to hear any input on this. Should I post something on the main
CentOS list?
Proposed Changes
Sorry for the lengthy background info, but I think it helps explain what
I want to do.
I'd like to see a "Java" section on the main HowTo page that looks like
this:
X. Java
* OpenJDK on CentOS 5.3 and later (new 'Draft' How To)
* Closed-source Java on CentOS 4 through CentOS 5.2 (updated version
of the current How To)
* Install and configure Tomcat on CentOS 5.3 + OpenJDK (not yet, but
hopefully soon...)
* Deploy Rails WARs to CentOS (soon...)
* etc.
I'm not sure if the proposed new title for the current HowTo is the
best title, but it do think it is fairly descriptive of what the
current document covers. ("Closed-source" could be replaced with "3rd
Party" or some other adjective that covers the IBM and Sun versions)
I'm willing to update that document so that it provides pointers to the
new OpenJDK How To and other minor changes, but I will
Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request for Java How To's
Ralph Angenendt wrote: > > I've added you to http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaOnCentOS and > http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CreateLocalRepos, I'll probably elevate > status when you wrote something on there :) > Thank, Ralph. I've made some minor changes to both those docs as I read them over. Phil and I were actually talking about me making changes to CreateLocalMirror, not CreateLocalRepos. Can I get write access to that one, too? As for the Java stuff, I would like to re-organize things a little and I'll start a new thread for that proposal. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request for Java How To's
Karanbir Singh wrote: > > I think you should use cobbler for a bit :) > > I see. I'll be in touch as I move forward. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] drafts tag
Karanbir Singh wrote: > 'must contain a banner on the top indicating its a draft > article' > As I'm gearing up to write some docs, I've been thinking some kind of 'draft' indication would be a good idea. Perhaps draft docs could even be placed in a separate directory. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] How do I find xyz.rpm for CentOS?
Alan Bartlett wrote: > no top posting, use bottom posting only Sorry, I have to confess to being a top-poster, I'll remember not to do it on CentOS lists. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] How do I find xyz.rpm for CentOS?
JohnS wrote: > Post this in the general centos list next time. > Sorry. I'm new to CentOS and I'm trying to learn things through the docs and I would really like to help improve them as I learn. I'll post actual questions to the general list, but when I get answers I'll try to improve the documentation either directly or by posting on this list. > yum search package_name --enablerepo=*\repo_name > Thanks, I didn't know about the --enablerepo option to yum. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] How do I find xyz.rpm for CentOS?
My next question is: "How do I find out if a particular package is available in one of the repositories?" FAQ/General #8 is "Where can I get package XyZ.rpm for CentOS?" and it links to the Repositories page. What I'm looking for is links to directories of each repository or (better still) a unified directory and/or search utility. Of course, I'm willing to help update pages once I get wiki write access -- Sean Alan Bartlett wrote: > On 25/04/2009, Sean Gilligan wrote: > >> The 'contrib' repository is mentioned on FAQ/General #13: >> >> >> http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-92ba307b036080a16dbffa44486cde25c081fcca >> >> but not on the AdditionalResources/Repositories page: >> >> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories >> > > Thanks Sean. Now mentioned. > > Alan. > ___ > CentOS-docs mailing list > CentOS-docs@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs > ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request for Java How To's
Phil Schaffner wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:25 -0700, Sean Gilligan wrote: ... I noticed this wiki page (http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CreateLocalMirror) was recently added. I believe using Cobbler is a valid alternative approach for this, right? Please feel free to add a Cobbler summary and/or pointers to the above page in the alternatives section which already includes mrepo, lftp, and reposync. Phil I'm still waiting for write-access to the Wiki. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] contrib repository not mentioned on AdditionalResources/Repositories
The 'contrib' repository is mentioned on FAQ/General #13: http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-92ba307b036080a16dbffa44486cde25c081fcca but not on the AdditionalResources/Repositories page: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request for Java How To's
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/24/2009 08:25 PM, Sean Gilligan wrote: That's really cool! I'd love to help with testing and documentation. I'm also interested in sharing Cobbler configurations publicly, but I'm not sure what that entails. There is a small app I wrote many years back to handle kickstarts, I am sure that could be expanded into something that can be used to share cobbler / puppet / kickstart configs. Something that should move up in the priority list for sure. I'm pretty sure the cobbler web interface allows you to share cobbler and kickstart configs - would you integrate with that? (I haven't looked at it for a while and it may be designed for use inside a firewall. I'm not familiar with puppet.) I noticed this wiki page (http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CreateLocalMirror) was recently added. I believe using Cobbler is a valid alternative approach for this, right? not really - but there is a definite overlap in interest there. Cobbler uses reposync under the hood - which is something that should absolutely be on that page, since thats what it does. Cobbler on the other hand is a much wider and a much more focused tool on provisioning, not so much about management and maintenance. I set up a local mirror of a Fedora 6 yum repo about 2 years ago and it was not simple (for me). About a year ago I did it for Fedora 8 with cobbler and it was very simple. My recollection was that Cobbler was a superset of setting up a local repo and, given the ease of use, a better solution. I hope to be setting up cobbler on CentOS 5.3 shortly, so that should refresh my memory. -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request for Java How To's
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/24/2009 08:05 PM, Sean Gilligan wrote: In addition to Java, I have an interest in virtualization and also Cobbler (https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/) and at some point I might want to create a Cobbler How To (I've set Cobbler up on Fedora in the past, but want to move this to CentOS, as well) Sounds good to me - this bit specially, I'm working on getting cobbler and a complete system management stack into the main centos repos, so this could sync in well there. That's really cool! I'd love to help with testing and documentation. I'm also interested in sharing Cobbler configurations publicly, but I'm not sure what that entails. I noticed this wiki page (http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CreateLocalMirror) was recently added. I believe using Cobbler is a valid alternative approach for this, right? -- Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request for Java How To's
Hello, My name is Sean Gilligan (wikiname: SeanGilligan) and I'd like to contribute to the CentOS wiki. Initially I'd like to do some documentation for Java (OpenJDK) on CentOS 5.3. I've used Fedora for years, but am getting tired of the obsolescence that keeps happening. I'm also very excited about having an integrated Java that I can use for actual server deployments. I like to document install processes and have been doing it on an internal (Fedora-hosted MoinMoin) wiki for some years now. I'm excited about contributing to and benefiting from the CentOS community. In addition to Java, I have an interest in virtualization and also Cobbler (https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/) and at some point I might want to create a Cobbler How To (I've set Cobbler up on Fedora in the past, but want to move this to CentOS, as well) To start, I'd like to add a Java section to the HowTo page, moving the current Java HowTo into that section and creating a few new ones. The first one I have is regarding Tomcat deployment of Grails (http://www.grails.org) applications. I'd also like to contribute to a CentOS 5.3/OpenJDK specific Java and/or Tomcat HowTo. Regards, Sean ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
