Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 09:28 -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. --- Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it? NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops. Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia. JohnStanley Could you file a request at the ELRepo bug tracker ( http://elrepo.org/bugs ) ? Akemi Sure I will do that... Sometime today. thanks.. John ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On 09/17/2009 03:16 PM, JohnS wrote: We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. --- Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it? NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops. Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia. keep in mind that the xorg-nv driver also moves along and most legacy cards are well supported there. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 18:13 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 09/17/2009 03:16 PM, JohnS wrote: We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. --- Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it? NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops. Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia. keep in mind that the xorg-nv driver also moves along and most legacy cards are well supported there. --- True it does. There is a lot of difference between the two drivers though. It's just a matter of using both of them to note it. Glide games make a big diff in the two, as in frames per second. Firefox is not a lag anymore. No need to go on as you probally know... JohnStanley ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: JohnS wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote: The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would prefer that route over dkms at any time. For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel) --- Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. JohnStanley That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. --- Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it? NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops. Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia. JohnStanley ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. --- Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it? NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops. Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia. JohnStanley Could you file a request at the ELRepo bug tracker ( http://elrepo.org/bugs ) ? Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote: The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would prefer that route over dkms at any time. For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel) --- Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. JohnStanley ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
JohnS wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote: The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would prefer that route over dkms at any time. For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel) --- Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. JohnStanley That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
Ned Slider wrote on 09/16/2009 06:12 AM: ... That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. I'd say build it and they will come to your repo of dreams. :-) Have definitely seen cases of people with problems getting older nVidia cards to work, and a growth area for Linux in general is people with hardware left behind by Redmond performance demands. As far as the Wiki page, more detail in the guide to choosing a driver version and finding a package for the correct driver for your hardware would be worth bonus points - seems to be another area of frequent problems. Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 07:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: Ned Slider wrote on 09/16/2009 06:12 AM: ... That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver. For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx). We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can certainly look into that if there is a demand. I'd say build it and they will come to your repo of dreams. :-) Have definitely seen cases of people with problems getting older nVidia cards to work, and a growth area for Linux in general is people with hardware left behind by Redmond performance demands. As far as the Wiki page, more detail in the guide to choosing a driver version and finding a package for the correct driver for your hardware would be worth bonus points - seems to be another area of frequent problems. Phil In the doc we have been toying with the finding the correct driver is in there. -- LostSon http://lostsonsvault.org CentOS - It's not just for servers ya know... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
lostson wrote on 09/16/2009 08:23 AM: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 07:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: ... In the doc we have been toying with the finding the correct driver is in there. Yes, I see it in the draft - just suggesting ideas to beef it up. Phil P.S. [soapbox]Trimming quotes to the minimum required for context is a good (if not common) habit to form.[/soapbox] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:39:23AM -0400, JohnS wrote: Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the Legacy and Newer Cards. For what it is worth, I'll take the lazy man's way out and just send it here. GeForce 8500 GT. As mentioned, a non-standard kernel, the VServer kernel 2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34.1 (64 bit system, if that is useful.) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: Do---do you think I chose to be like this? Do you have any idea how lonely it is, how dangerous? I would love to be upstairs watching TV or gossiping about boys or... God, even studying! But I have to save the world. Again. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
Ned Slider wrote on 09/14/2009 01:23 PM: ... Do we need to decide what the official (or preferred) CentOS Way is for this? Or do we just present all the options without prejudice? There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo. I should probably declare a conflict of interests so I'll just ask the question rather than providing opinion towards the answer :) I'd say present all the options known to be viable, but perhaps not without prejudice. Personally I'd recommend putting ElRepo at the top of the list, but then I haven't personally tested all the options. Whoever creates the page gets to pontificate, but then nobody here is shy about tossing in opinions. :-) Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Phil Schaffner philip.r.schaff...@nasa.gov wrote: Ned Slider wrote on 09/14/2009 01:23 PM: There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo. I'd say present all the options known to be viable, but perhaps not without prejudice. Personally I'd recommend putting ElRepo at the top of the list, but then I haven't personally tested all the options. And the page would have to be updated depending on the status of each repo. For instance, the kmod-nvidia package in ELRepo is currently in the testing repo. This will be migrated to the regular place as soon as it is proven flawless. When that happens and sometime in a future, the dkms version *might* be deprecated as Dag is hinting at it: http://lists.rpmforge.net/pipermail/users/2009-September/002727.html Whoever creates the page gets to pontificate, but then nobody here is shy about tossing in opinions. :-) Phil Absolutely no doubt (wrt nobody is shy). :-P Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote: The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would prefer that route over dkms at any time. For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Giles: I need you to take Spike for a few days. Xander: What? Spike: What? Anya: What? Spike: I'm not stayin' with him. Giles: I have a friend who's coming to town, and I'd like us to be alone. Anya: Oh, you mean an orgasm friend? Giles: Yes, that's exactly the most appalling thing you could have said. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
lostson wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote: ... [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics JohnStanley I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away. Might want to have a look at this forum post - did a pretty detailed procedure. https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=85280topic_id=22003forum=39#forumpost85280 Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:09:43PM -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: lostson wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote: ... [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics JohnStanley I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away. Might want to have a look at this forum post - did a pretty detailed procedure. https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=85280topic_id=22003forum=39#forumpost85280 Phil Over the weekend, I played with the elrepo-testing version. It was pretty much (after having installed the nvidia drivers from NVidia) nvidia-uninstall to get rid of what I'd downloaded. Then yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=elrepo-testing install kmod-nvidia which pulls in the driver as well, of course. The first time I tried it, there seemed to be a module mismatch, perhaps from cruft left around from a previous NVidia install, along the lines of conflict between 185.31 and 185.36 or something similar. After clearing out the old NVidia (vs. nv) modules, that were left after this older install/uninstall, the above solution worked well, and is, of course, easier. Main advantage, I think is the kmod part, so that if one plays around with different kernels, it should be taken care of--in theory at least haven't tried different kernels yet. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Anya: This isn't a relationship. You don't need me. All you care about is lots of orgasms. Xander: Okay, remember how we talked about private conversations? How they're less private when they're in front of my friends? Spike: Oh we're not your friends. Go on. Giles: Please don't ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
Phil Schaffner wrote: lostson wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote: ... [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics JohnStanley I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away. Might want to have a look at this forum post - did a pretty detailed procedure. https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=85280topic_id=22003forum=39#forumpost85280 Phil Do we need to decide what the official (or preferred) CentOS Way is for this? Or do we just present all the options without prejudice? There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo. I should probably declare a conflict of interests so I'll just ask the question rather than providing opinion towards the answer :) ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Over the weekend, I played with the elrepo-testing version. It was pretty much (after having installed the nvidia drivers from NVidia) nvidia-uninstall to get rid of what I'd downloaded. Then yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=elrepo-testing install kmod-nvidia which pulls in the driver as well, of course. Main advantage, I think is the kmod part, so that if one plays around with different kernels, it should be taken care of--in theory at least haven't tried different kernels yet. Indeed, I updated a system loaded with kmod-nvidia to the 5.4 kernel and it worked seamlessly. No need to rebuild the driver. Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
Am 14.09.09 19:23, schrieb Ned Slider: Do we need to decide what the official (or preferred) CentOS Way is for this? Or do we just present all the options without prejudice? There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo. I'd say the official way depends on which repo you use :) If you use atrpms anyway, because you need asterisk, then get the driver from there. If you use ... Cheers, Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 19:30 -0500, lostson wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 22:32 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: That was one mail which got lost in the great mail transition on my side. I think I need your Wiki login name to make that happen. ShaunJones is my login name Go ahead, then. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:31 -0500, lostson wrote: Hello Attached is my idea for a nvidia wiki page hopefully this is informative and good enough for the wiki, ideas and critique welcome of course, thanks. --- Hey there Lostson you have a real name? See [1] please. == Ralph or Karan, If he/she would like he could finish up the Nvidia HowTo I started. His and mine are almost equal. This works on CentOS 5 and 4. I have not validated or tried CentOS 3. The article was also going to include the DKMS driver install also and the KMDL drivers from atrpm repo. Any questions or what not he could post them to the doc list here and i could work with him. [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics JohnStanley I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away. -- LostSon http://lostsonsvault.org CentOS - It's not just for servers ya know... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page
Am 01.09.09 16:12, schrieb lostson: I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away. Ooops, sorry. That was one mail which got lost in the great mail transition on my side. I think I need your Wiki login name to make that happen. Sorry, Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
