Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-19 Thread JohnS

On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 09:28 -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
 
  We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can
  certainly look into that if there is a demand.
  ---
  Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the
  legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it?
 
  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops.
  Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia.
 
  JohnStanley
 
 Could you file a request at the ELRepo bug tracker ( http://elrepo.org/bugs ) 
 ?
 
 Akemi

Sure I will do that... Sometime today. thanks..

John

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-19 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 09/17/2009 03:16 PM, JohnS wrote:
 We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can
 certainly look into that if there is a demand.
 ---
 Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the
 legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it?

 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops.
 Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia.


keep in mind that the xorg-nv driver also moves along and most legacy 
cards are well supported there.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-19 Thread JohnS

On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 18:13 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
 On 09/17/2009 03:16 PM, JohnS wrote:
  We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can
  certainly look into that if there is a demand.
  ---
  Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the
  legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it?
 
  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops.
  Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia.
 
 
 keep in mind that the xorg-nv driver also moves along and most legacy 
 cards are well supported there.
---
True it does. There is a lot of difference between the two drivers
though. It's just a matter of using both of them to note it. Glide games
make a big diff in the two, as in frames per second. Firefox is not a
lag anymore. No need to go on as you probally know...

JohnStanley

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-17 Thread JohnS

On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
 JohnS wrote:
  On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote:
  On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote:
 
  The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be 
  for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if 
  we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would 
  prefer that route over dkms at any time.
  For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported
  kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel)
  ---
  
  Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what
  video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the
  Legacy and Newer Cards.
  
  JohnStanley
  
 
 That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards 
 become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver.
 
 For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better 
 off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the 
 current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are 
 the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by 
 the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx).
 
 We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can 
 certainly look into that if there is a demand.
---
Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the
legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it?

NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops.
Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia.

JohnStanley 

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-17 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:

 We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can
 certainly look into that if there is a demand.
 ---
 Maybe consider doing it? I myself use a lot of older hardware with the
 legacy cards in them. Umm, what's involvled doing it?

 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run is used in one of my desktops.
 Which supports most legacy cards from nvidia.

 JohnStanley

Could you file a request at the ELRepo bug tracker ( http://elrepo.org/bugs ) ?

Akemi
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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-16 Thread JohnS

On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote:
  On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote:
 
  The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be 
  for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if 
  we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would 
  prefer that route over dkms at any time.
 
 For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported
 kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel)
---

Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what
video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the
Legacy and Newer Cards.

JohnStanley

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-16 Thread Ned Slider
JohnS wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 15:11 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote:

 The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be 
 for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if 
 we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would 
 prefer that route over dkms at any time.
 For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported
 kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel)
 ---
 
 Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what
 video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the
 Legacy and Newer Cards.
 
 JohnStanley
 

That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards 
become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver.

For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better 
off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the 
current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are 
the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by 
the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx).

We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can 
certainly look into that if there is a demand.




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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-16 Thread Phil Schaffner
Ned Slider wrote on 09/16/2009 06:12 AM:
...
 That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards 
 become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver.
 
 For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better 
 off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the 
 current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are 
 the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by 
 the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx).
 
 We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can 
 certainly look into that if there is a demand.

I'd say build it and they will come to your repo of dreams. :-)

Have definitely seen cases of people with problems getting older nVidia 
cards to work, and a growth area for Linux in general is people with 
hardware left behind by Redmond performance demands.

As far as the Wiki page, more detail in the guide to choosing a driver 
version and finding a package for the correct driver for your hardware 
would be worth bonus points - seems to be another area of frequent problems.

Phil
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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-16 Thread lostson

On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 07:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 Ned Slider wrote on 09/16/2009 06:12 AM:
 ...
  That tends to change as the drivers move forward over time, older cards 
  become legacy and are no longer supported by the latest driver.
  
  For a list of cards supported by the latest driver, the user is better 
  off referring to nvidia's documentation. Looking at the docs for the 
  current driver leads me to believe that GeForce 6000 series cards are 
  the oldest supported by this driver (GeForce 5x00 series is supported by 
  the 173.14.xx driver and older still GeForce2/3/4 by driver 96.43.xx).
  
  We (ELRepo) haven't packaged older nvidia drivers (yet) but we can 
  certainly look into that if there is a demand.
 
 I'd say build it and they will come to your repo of dreams. :-)
 
 Have definitely seen cases of people with problems getting older nVidia 
 cards to work, and a growth area for Linux in general is people with 
 hardware left behind by Redmond performance demands.
 
 As far as the Wiki page, more detail in the guide to choosing a driver 
 version and finding a package for the correct driver for your hardware 
 would be worth bonus points - seems to be another area of frequent problems.
 
 Phil

 In the doc we have been toying with the finding the correct driver is
in there.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-16 Thread Phil Schaffner
lostson wrote on 09/16/2009 08:23 AM:
 On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 07:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote:
...
  In the doc we have been toying with the finding the correct driver is
 in there.

Yes, I see it in the draft - just suggesting ideas to beef it up.

Phil

P.S. [soapbox]Trimming quotes to the minimum required for context is a 
good (if not common) habit to form.[/soapbox]
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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-16 Thread Scott Robbins
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:39:23AM -0400, JohnS wrote:
 
 Could those that are trying out the kmod driver please report what
 video card model you have. Would be nice to have a good list of the
 Legacy and Newer Cards.


For what it is worth, I'll take the lazy man's way out and just send it
here.

GeForce 8500 GT.  As mentioned, a non-standard kernel, the VServer
kernel

2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34.1


(64 bit system, if that is useful.)


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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-15 Thread Phil Schaffner
Ned Slider wrote on 09/14/2009 01:23 PM:
...
 Do we need to decide what the official (or preferred) CentOS Way is for 
 this? Or do we just present all the options without prejudice?
 
 There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver 
 from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo.
 
 I should probably declare a conflict of interests so I'll just ask the 
 question rather than providing opinion towards the answer :)

I'd say present all the options known to be viable, but perhaps not 
without prejudice.  Personally I'd recommend putting ElRepo at the top 
of the list, but then I haven't personally tested all the options.

Whoever creates the page gets to pontificate, but then nobody here is 
shy about tossing in opinions. :-)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-15 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Phil Schaffner
philip.r.schaff...@nasa.gov wrote:
 Ned Slider wrote on 09/14/2009 01:23 PM:

 There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver
 from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo.

 I'd say present all the options known to be viable, but perhaps not
 without prejudice.  Personally I'd recommend putting ElRepo at the top
 of the list, but then I haven't personally tested all the options.

And the page would have to be updated depending on the status of each
repo.  For instance, the kmod-nvidia package in ELRepo is currently in
the testing repo.  This will be migrated to the regular place as soon
as it is proven flawless.  When that happens and sometime in a future,
the dkms version *might* be deprecated as Dag is hinting at it:

http://lists.rpmforge.net/pipermail/users/2009-September/002727.html

 Whoever creates the page gets to pontificate, but then nobody here is
 shy about tossing in opinions. :-)

 Phil

Absolutely no doubt (wrt nobody is shy). :-P

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-15 Thread Scott Robbins
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Akemi Yagi wrote:

 The only reason for me to keep maintaining the dkms packages, would be 
 for those people not running supported kernels (recent/official). But if 
 we could describe and automate the building of kmod packages, I would 
 prefer that route over dkms at any time.

For what it's worth, the elrepo version worked well with my unsupported
kernel (a VServer 2.6.22 kernel)



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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-14 Thread Phil Schaffner
lostson wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote:
...

 [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics

 JohnStanley

  I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully
 i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away.

Might want to have a look at this forum post - did a pretty detailed 
procedure.

https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=85280topic_id=22003forum=39#forumpost85280

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-14 Thread Scott Robbins
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:09:43PM -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 lostson wrote:
  On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote:
 ...
 
  [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics
 
  JohnStanley
 
   I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully
  i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away.
 
 Might want to have a look at this forum post - did a pretty detailed 
 procedure.
 
 https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=85280topic_id=22003forum=39#forumpost85280
 
 Phil

Over the weekend, I played with the elrepo-testing version.  It was
pretty much (after having installed the nvidia drivers from NVidia)

nvidia-uninstall

to get rid of what I'd downloaded. 

Then 

yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=elrepo-testing install kmod-nvidia

which pulls in the driver as well, of course. 

The first time I tried it, there seemed to be a module mismatch, perhaps
from cruft left around from a previous NVidia install, along the lines
of conflict between 185.31 and 185.36 or something similar. After
clearing out the old NVidia (vs. nv) modules, that were left after this
older install/uninstall, the above solution worked well, and is, of
course, easier. 

Main advantage, I think is the kmod part, so that if one plays around
with different kernels, it should be taken care of--in theory at least
haven't tried different kernels yet. 



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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-14 Thread Ned Slider
Phil Schaffner wrote:
 lostson wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote:
 ...
 [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics

 JohnStanley

  I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully
 i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away.
 
 Might want to have a look at this forum post - did a pretty detailed 
 procedure.
 
 https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=85280topic_id=22003forum=39#forumpost85280
 
 Phil

Do we need to decide what the official (or preferred) CentOS Way is for 
this? Or do we just present all the options without prejudice?

There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver 
from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo.

I should probably declare a conflict of interests so I'll just ask the 
question rather than providing opinion towards the answer :)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-14 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 Over the weekend, I played with the elrepo-testing version.  It was
 pretty much (after having installed the nvidia drivers from NVidia)

 nvidia-uninstall

 to get rid of what I'd downloaded.

 Then

 yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=elrepo-testing install kmod-nvidia

 which pulls in the driver as well, of course.

 Main advantage, I think is the kmod part, so that if one plays around
 with different kernels, it should be taken care of--in theory at least
 haven't tried different kernels yet.

Indeed, I updated a system loaded with kmod-nvidia to the 5.4 kernel
and it worked seamlessly.  No need to rebuild the driver.

Akemi
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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-14 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Am 14.09.09 19:23, schrieb Ned Slider:
 Do we need to decide what the official (or preferred) CentOS Way is for 
 this? Or do we just present all the options without prejudice?
 
 There are (to my knowledge) the Nvidia binary installer, dkms driver 
 from rpmforge, kmdl package from ATrpms, and a kmod driver from elrepo.

I'd say the official way depends on which repo you use :)

If you use atrpms anyway, because you need asterisk, then get the driver
from there. If you use ...

Cheers,

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-09 Thread Ralph Angenendt

On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 19:30 -0500, lostson wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 22:32 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
  That was one mail which got lost in the great mail transition on my
  side. I think I need your Wiki login name to make that happen.
  
  ShaunJones is my login name 

Go ahead, then.

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-01 Thread lostson

On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:39 -0400, JohnS wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:31 -0500, lostson wrote:
  Hello 
   Attached is my idea for a nvidia wiki page hopefully this is
  informative and good enough for the wiki, ideas and critique welcome of
  course, thanks.
 ---
 Hey there Lostson you have a real name? See [1] please.
 
 ==
 
 Ralph or Karan,
 
 If he/she would like he could finish up the Nvidia HowTo I started. His
 and mine are almost equal.
 
 This works on CentOS 5 and 4. I have not validated or tried CentOS 3.
 The article was also going to include the DKMS driver install also and
 the KMDL drivers from atrpm repo. Any questions or what not he could
 post them to the doc list here and i could work with him.
 
 [1] http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/Nvidia_Graphics
 
 JohnStanley
 
 I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully
i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed nvidia wiki page

2009-09-01 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Am 01.09.09 16:12, schrieb lostson:

  I was reading yours over today and yes they are very similar, hopefully
 i can get edit permissions soon and we can get it all squared away.

Ooops, sorry.

That was one mail which got lost in the great mail transition on my
side. I think I need your Wiki login name to make that happen.

Sorry,

Ralph
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